69 Firebird Build

[69TAPoser]

I finally have a little progress worthy of an update. :yeah:

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...GW upper and lowers, QA1 coilovers, and Wilwood 10.75" rotors.

I get the shell back next week, Tony at www.musclecarmetal.com (http://www.musclecarmetal.com) is doing his thing to my shell (it will be new front to back).

Engine is already done (455 bored .030 with 525 hp 550 ft lbs):

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....Loooong way to go, but I am having fun! :cheers:

Phil

[restomodbird69]

looks great man.keep pics coming

[Roger Poirier]

Oh Yeah baby. Looooooooooooooking good!

R.P.

[dhardison]

Looks great so far Phil! Keep the pics coming as she progresses.

Dan

[73z-6sp]

I cant wait to see what the shell looks like! So far it looks like it is gonna be killer! What wheels, paint color?

[Roadrage David]

most importend Poncho powerd Injun. great job

[ProTouring442]

Great job so far... keep the pics coming!

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
'72 442 "Inamorata"
www.FQuick.com/ProTouring442 (http://www.FQuick.com/ProTouring442)

[69TAPoser]

Thanks for the compliments guys, I am pretty excited that I am starting to make some progress. I am going to "visit" the shell today to check on the progress. I believe he is a little behind, but he is supposed to have the shell totally torn down to the skeleton (roof support structure). The skeleton goes to the blaster to be media blasted and then primed on Monday. "Supposed" to have the shell back next weekend. It takes him 40-50 hours to rebuild an entire shell.


I cant wait to see what the shell looks like! So far it looks like it is gonna be killer! What wheels, paint color?

Paint will be '69 Trans Am paint scheme (I have all of the T/A body stuff: hood, rear wing, fender scoops) but not the traditional white/blue. Exterior color will be applied to the firewall, inner fenders, and rad support. The color combo will be 1 of the below:

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...which do you guys prefer? I am leaning towards the platinum/silver combo (the Ford GT).

For wheels I am considering 17" up front and 18" in the rear. Not sure of which wheel yet, but I want something that looks more traditional with a black center. :dunno:

Your guys thoughts on colors and wheels would be appreciated. I need to make both of these decisions soon.

Phil

[hdesign]

Looking great Phil!!!!

[formula98]

I like the platinum/silver combo myself.

[dropit69]

i vote for the ford gt colors too..cant wait to see it coming along i just picked up a 69 bird myself..

[69TAPoser]

I stopped-in to see the progress and Tony is in the final stages of stripping the shell down to the internal "skeleton." It will actually be torn down a bit further than these pics show (believe it or not!). Tony says it will be totally reassembled by next Sunday 11/19!

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Home to a rodent at one point...
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What used to be my shell (which about makes me throw up seeing it in a heap)...

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...The skeletion will go to the media blasters tomorrow to be blasted and zinc primed...which should give it another 37 years of life.

Phil

[Beegs]

Phil
You're kicking it! Looks sweet!
I HAVE to make some time to go meet Tony. I need some sheetmetal and I would like to talk to him about it. Keep up the good work.

[69TAPoser]

You definitely should, you are close by! He has the cheapest prices on body panels plus seeing one of his shells in person will amaze you. Take my word for it, my friends were stunned when they saw one of his '69 Camaro shells he was shipping to Georgia a few weeks ago. at the moment he has 5 Camaro and Firebird carcasses laying around waiting to be "reborn."

If you stop by next weekend, you should see mine just about done!:jump:

Phil

[Hammered]

Great project - I always love seeing another 'bird.

My vote is for paladium out of the two choices.

John

[Steve Firebird]

Looks like you are rally doing it up right!. I have to say I like the Ford GT colors as well. I think that will look great with TA stripes. There is a company making Billet over sized Rally II wheels that may look good on your car here is a link
http://www.newstalgiawheel.com/listproducts.asp?cat=101100
One other thing I have seen on a 69 is painting the front bumper body color I think it really adds to the look of the car

[Beegs]

Phil, is the toll free number on his site the best way to get a hold of Tony? TIA

[nbecker]

Yeah the ford gt colors would look awesome.Motor looks sweet!:1st:

[rohrt]

:firefire: sweet!!!!:firefire:

[69TAPoser]

Thanks guys. :cheers:


Phil, is the toll free number on his site the best way to get a hold of Tony? TIA

I would call his 800 number if you already know what you want and you just want to place an order. You will typically get his vmail or his sister will answer (his sister runs the parts reselling portion of the business).

If you want to speak directly with Tony, I would call his direct line 603-247-1570 which I think is actually his cell phone (I feel ok about posting this number as it is listed on his Business Card). I get him about 90% of the time and I only call him on this line. Also, his direct email address is also [email protected]

Phil

[Beegs]

Thanks Phil! :twothumbs

[JLM]

Looks very good.

Wish I had the funds to go the same direction you are with your bird. Down the road after colege perhaps...

For wheels I'll also make mention of the Wheel Vintiques billet Rallye II wheels.

Or with the Ford GT paint scheme you could go with a CCW Classic with the black center. That would look nice as well.

[69TAPoser]

Not quite as far along as I had hoped, but it is good progress and the time delay is not Tony's fault. The sanblaster didn't get the skeleton turned around as quickly as he was supposed to so Tony was only able to get the floor done. Oh well, no big deal, the shell will be totally done by next Sunday! :woot:

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Phil

[Hammered]

I think that's great progress! I'm just curious, but his he plug welding or spot welding? And is he welding through the EDP?

John

[69TAPoser]

I think that's great progress! I'm just curious, but his he plug welding or spot welding? And is he welding through the EDP?

John

Thanks John, all welds are mig plug type. You can see the welds in the last pic along the frame rail. They look pretty good to me, but then again, I am not a welder! :)

Phil

[69TAPoser]

The shell still isn't done, but it is getting closer!

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Blasted and epoxied skeleton...

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Phil

[restomodbird69]

thats one hell of a project

[69TAPoser]

A few new pics from Tony today:
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By Saturday, it should actually start to resemble an automobile again... :woot:

Phil

[formula98]

Hi Phil,

Just spent a few hrs going through your web site. Quite impressive! I now understand the $1,000 over budget signature....

I'm right behind you, I have to replace the roof, quarters, tail light panel, and install new DSE tubs. I've been waiting for 2 months for the quarter panels. Now the Holidays are almost here and I won't get the new parts on the car.

I'm sure enjoying looking through your build for the moment knowing what I've got in store for me.

Good luck and keep the posts coming!

Ron

[69TAPoser]

Hi Ron-

What quarters are you looking for (year and model)? The guy rebuilding my shell is a goodmark dealer and has over $30K of panels in stock.

Few new pics...

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[Motown 454]

Hi Phil Tony's doing a nice job, sounds like a killer project. My Camaro is going to Mikes Custom Cars in S.C. in March for the same make over, so for now I will live my dreams through your build Wayne

[Roger Poirier]

I finally have a little progress worthy of an update. :yeah:

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...GW upper and lowers, QA1 coilovers, and Wilwood 10.75" rotors.

....Loooong way to go, but I am having fun! :cheers:

Phil

Excellent work! Are you going to remove those Global West stickers? Let the car speak for itself.... My 2 cents. LOL The paint shop will have decal remover. Easy as 123....

R.P.

[Beegs]

Phil, it's looking like a car! You must be pumped to say the least, keep up the good work!

I have not had time to call Tony yet, I've been busy trying to finish up my shop. Drywall coming on Mon. so I am close! Then I can tear up my car.:bananna2:

[formula98]

Hi Phil,

My project is a 67 Camaro. Your guy is on the other side of the States I think the shipping would bite. I need both R&L quarters. I'm told another week or two so lets see. I'm out of town for another week and a half. I gues I can wait.

I just spent the day with Astroracer and now have enough work to keep me busy for a few weeks anyway.

Thanks and I wish I were where you are at now, but am glad I didn't find as many problems when I removed the paint. I knew I had to replace the Roof and possibly the quarters. I could probably live with them, but really don't want the bondo.

Thanks again,

Ron

[69TAPoser]

Hey Wayne- Thanks for the compliments. I have been very happy with Tony. I also recently heard about Mike's Customs, but have never spoken with them. Being so close to NH, you may want to give Tony a shout just to see what he can do for you.

Roger - I hear ya about the stickers. Still undecided, but most likely will be removed. I assume that they would look pretty beat-up after some mileage anyway.

Hi Brian - Any pics of your car? What size garage you building?

Ron - I think Tony charges a flat $99 shipping on all Goodmark orders under 150 lbs. If you get in a jamb in a few weeks, he may be a good back-up plan 4 you.

I think I have decided on the Platinum with Silver stripes (like the Ford GT) for paint. It will have the Trans Am stripe lay out.

I should get the shell back on Sunday, then it goes to the bodyshop for seam sealer, primer, and paint. I am only having the underside, firewall, and jambs done in final paint 4 now. The body will stay in primer during the rest of my build. I have 2 children that like to "help" in the garage and I would be nervous about the paint. :scared:

My subframe is gloss black and I was considering having the shop paint the body color (platinum) on the underside as well (I have decided on a 1-color engine bay: firewall, inner fenders, and rad supprt all in silver). Besides showing the dirt, any other downsides to doing the bottom of the car in the body color? Would it look like crap?

Phil

[trapin]

Wow Phil, that is some major overhauling you're doing. I applaud you. Most people would not go to that extent. Hell, Boyd Coddington's people would have sent that car to the crusher. Money well spent, you've saved another of these precious classics. Keep up the amazing work.

[69TAPoser]

Tony will finish the shell reconstruction tonight! :cool:

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Little do they know, this is their Christmas present this year... LOL

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Phil

[Motown 454]

Hi Phil looks nice bet you can't wait to get it home. I like the coment about their Christmas gifts, my kids are old enough to be on their own so this year I'm giving them my Christmas list Wayne

[69TAPoser]

Hey Wayne-
Yeah, I am just a bit anxious. :seizure: After all, this started waaay back in July when the car went to the body shop, sat there untouched for 3 months until I started getting the daily bad news on all the covered-up rot. That's when I found Tony for the shell rebuild.

The body shop picks it up from Tony on Saturday, then they take it and seam seal, prime and paint the underside, interior, firewall, and jambs. The exterior of the car will stay in primer until I finish the assembly. So I hope to have it back from the body shop by Christmas. We'll see. I hate dealing with body shops. :box:

Phil

[73z-6sp]

Wow! Lookin good! I wish I had that ability, to rebuild a car like that. Most people would just crush it but I like the challenge! (Sick huh?)

Anyway, I vote for the GT colors. I too think that would look killer with the TA stripes.

[BA.]

I'll add to the applauding for taking her down to a skeleton and putting all those new panels on it. Another one saved!! Woohoo!

For being so far down to bare shell, you're got some good progress there and it's gotta make you feel pretty good.

Keep the updates and pictures coming, we can only take so many Camaro updates here!! :)

[69TAPoser]

The shell is completed and back at the bodyshop for seam sealing, primer, and final paint on the bottom, firewall and jambs. Tony did an AWESOME job on the shell. The body shop hopes to be done by January, but I am not holding my breath. The color will be Tungsten Grey Clearcoat Metallic w/ silver stripes as found on the new Ford GT. However, the stripe layout will be the original '69 Trans Am scheme. The bodyshop will install the subframe on the shell. Once I get it back to my garage (rolling), I will be working on getting the engine installed and get to work on the interior.

Tony had to re-use the old tail pan as they are not reproduced:

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Lots more pics here: http://www.69firebirdbuild.com/page/page/4053037.htm

Phil

[Steve Firebird]

Wow that looks fantastic!

[restomodbird69]

cool,cool,cool

[Hammered]

That was fast! Let us know how the body shop does in getting the other sheetmetal lined up.

[camaro608]

dang that looks better then the last time i saw it lookin good

[69TAPoser]

I have been holding off with posting pics until some good progress was made...and I am glad to say the shell is in full primer...!:bananna2:

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Up next is a bit more sanding, seam sealing, and final paint on the jambs, underside, and firewall. :seizure:

Phil

[LMDGUY]

Wow

[wblanton]

I like the silver, I would have done silver if mine wasnt convertible. No matter how fast it goes it seems like nothing is getting done... As far as wheels go I like these it took me a while to decide between these and the Boyd's good luck with the project
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[Motown 454]

Looks nice Phil can't wait to see it with jams done, now its time to have some fun! Wayne

[restomodbird69]

damn that is nice.

[69TAPoser]

Thanks for the compliments guys...the shopis really making some progress this week.

Pics of the 3m rubberized coating from this morning:

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Rockers are ready for rocker spray...
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Props to my man "Nam" for donating his fingerprints via a lot of hand sanding...

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They will be spraying sealer and paint tomorrow! (jams, firewall, and underside) :woot:

Phil

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Nam looks pissed..

[69TAPoser]

Nam looks pissed..

LOL, he's a really good guy and is being very picky with my ride, but he's sick of hand sanding and seam sealing. :)

Btw, seeing how he has done the majority of the bodywork and seeing how the shell is all new (re Goodmark panels from China) he thought the car should have some Asian name. What is the chinese word for "bird?" :lmao:

Phil

[Hammered]

In pinyin: huo niao = fire bird = 火鸟
huo is pronounced with a long "o" and niao rhymes with meow.

BTW, the car is coming along well.

John

[69TAPoser]

Well that just rolls right off the tongue. :rolleyes:

Maybe I should go the Prince route.

It could be:https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif formerly known as Firebird. :hammer:

Phil

[Hammered]

I don't think there's a single Chinese word that rolls off the American tongue. The difference in the "bird" symbols between our posts is that I used the Simplified (mainland China) character and you are using the Traditional (Taiwan, counter revolutionary) symbol.

John

[69TAPoser]

The shop sprayed the rubberized coating on the wheel wells, rockers, and over the seam sealer on the underside of the body. PAINT TOMORROW! :woot:

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...this shell should last a looong time. :fingersx:

Phil

[restomodbird69]

man that is gonna be sweet when it has color

[69TAPoser]

man that is gonna be sweet when it has color

Thanks. Any new update pics on your ride? :poke:

Phil

[69TAPoser]

Final paint has been applied on the firewall, jambs, underside, rockers, and trunk. The shop needs to spray the dash and then she'll be headed home for assembly by weeks end. :woot:

Not the best pics as the flourescents in the spray booth were still warming up (it is only 12 degrees here!)...

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Phil

[zman1969]

WOW - make me feel like my frame off minitub project was a cheap easy way out! , im not worthy im not worthy :poke:

[Motown 454]

Very nice Phil, keep the pictures comming color looks nice. Now comes the fun part rembering where it all goes. Wayne

[69TAPoser]

Very nice Phil, keep the pictures comming color looks nice. Now comes the fun part rembering where it all goes. Wayne

And the funny thing is, I bought the car in pieces, so I have no clue! :lmao:

I guess the Fisher Body Manual and the Service Manual will be coming in handy. Not to mention this forum. :razz:

Phil

[zman1969]

?? do know how that happened....

[69TAPoser]

?? do know how that happened....

Not sure I understand. Do you mean why was it in pieces?

Phil

[restomodbird69]

you da man.to bad you are not in houston you wou,d be a reat addition to our group

[camaro608]

very nice man cant wait to see more progress!!

[ProTouring442]

And the funny thing is, I bought the car in pieces, so I have no clue! :lmao:

I guess the Fisher Body Manual and the Service Manual will be coming in handy. Not to mention this forum. :razz:

Phil

Don't worry, I'm in the same boat with the 442. I took mine apart, but it was 13 years ago! My quote on my FQuick site is "now where does this go?"

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
'72 442 "Inamorata"
www.FQuick.com/ProTouring442 (http://www.FQuick.com/ProTouring442)

[BIG BOY]

Just let everyone know that they dont have to start with a pristine car.


Tim

[Steve Chryssos]

Your car gives new meaning to the term "ground up". Some day I hope to own a car that clean. Keep the pix coming.

[Leadfoot1]

Phil,

What size rubber and wheels you plan on running? I would have tought it would be mini tubbed on a project of that caliber?

Lead.

[69TAPoser]

Phil,

What size rubber and wheels you plan on running? I would have tought it would be mini tubbed on a project of that caliber?

Lead.

Not exactly sure of rubber yet, but all 4 wheels will be 18s. I have the wheel-rite tool and plan on putting the largest rubber I can with the stance I want (lowered 3").

I actually considered mini tubbing and decided against it, mostly because I didn't want to cut up all the new metal. :scared:

This may sound like a dumb question, but do you think the caliber of the build is negatively impacted by the fact that it is not mini-tubbed? I did struggled with whether or not to tub, I hope I don't regret not doing it.

Phil

[Roger Poirier]

This may sound like a dumb question, but do you think the caliber of the build is negatively impacted by the fact that it is not mini-tubbed? I did struggled with whether or not to tub, I hope I don't regret not doing it.

Phil

Why would you say that? If there is a purpose towards the style or need in your build, by all means do it. Efffect the caliber of build, that's just BS. Look at my car and tell me if I need to mini-tub. To each his own.

Stand tall.......

R.P.

[Leadfoot1]

... that's just BS. Look at my car and tell me if I need to mini-tub. To each his own.

Stand tall.......

R.P.


WoooHooo!

Chill out RP! It wasn't meant as a negative comment! LOL!!!

Its just that all the top cars go thru this mod in these times, to fit tires that reflect the performance aspect of the build (not to mention to transfer the power to the ground!). With the engine thats going in this bad boy it just seemed that it would have been a natural...+, Money doesn't seem to be the object of the build here, so i' was just wondering why its not Mini'ed.

I'M glad your satisfied with your small (:poke: ) tired car...As it does, in fact, look good.

I don't think it affects the car at all if you like it 69T/A. But doing this with the quality of craftsmanship you have in your hands...i don't see where the the trouble would have been! (Its not too late you know...hehe)

I like what your doing! Just take it as a simple question.

Man......:banghead:

Lead.

[Roger Poirier]

WoooHooo!

Chill out RP! It wasn't meant as a negative comment! LOL!!!



I'm cool. Understood. Owners should do what's right for them. They don't need to worry about what others think. That's what makes these projects fun.

R.P.

[Leadfoot1]

Seconded! :twothumbs


Lead :usa:

[Motown 454]

Phil what youv'e got so far looks kick ass, it was your preferece and I don't think it will take away from the project at all Get it together and enjoy all your hard work. Wayne

[69TAPoser]

Hey Wayne - Any news on your project?

Well, it's rolling so we can get it out of the shop by early next week. :naughty: The rearend that is underneath it is temporary (the stock one) which will be replaced with 3" DSE drops springs and a Ford 9" as soon as I get it back. The wheels and tires are for transport purposes only. :rolleyes:

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[Motown 454]

Must feel real nice to finally see a roller, Good things come to those who wait !! ( BOY DO I HOPE THATS TRUE ) I hope you have heat in that garage it must be cool up there. Did you guys get alot of snow we got 2-3 inch and it all washed away. We brought the car on Jan 18th we left in the pouring rain until we hit Conn. Then it was snow until N.C. 19 hour to make a 14 hour trip . I spent about 1 1/2 hours with Mike, he has it schuled for the end of March. I keep watching his site to see progress on any car. Thanks for asking. Wayne

[Motown 454]

Forgot to ask how do you like that coilevr kit do you think it will let you lower it 3" I would like to use one like that.

[Morgan]

Phil -

I was looking at your project and it looks awesome. Next time I am up in NH I would love to see it. Any ET on completion? Have you ever come down to Worcester for the Summer Nationals?

[Hammered]

I just can't believe the rate of progress on this car!

[69TAPoser]

I was on vacation with the family all of last week, so not a ton of progress, but the car is now in my garage and I have installed the Dynamat:

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...Some advice, WHERE GLOVES WHEN INSTALLING! My hands are covered with tiny paper (or aluminum) cuts. It took me a lot longer to install than I expected...about 10-12 hours. :scared: And I still need to do the doors and roof. I have 2 pieces left after purchasing 2 bulk packs (72 sq ft total), so I will end up using about 2.5 boxes total. I installed it under the cowl and up to the dash in the front. I have some 3M rubberized spray that I will be using on the interior on the qtrs. and hinge area.

Up next is to install my harness that Frank helped me order from American Autowire (the one with the connectors already intalled).

Phil

[Roger Poirier]

You may want to take your dynomat one step further. Check pic below.
I have upgraded my firewall with extremeliner over my dynamat, then installed the factory pad as well. This is what the tech people at Dynomat recommended. I have no heat issues from the firewall even in 90 degree heat.

R.P.

[69TAPoser]

Dash before:

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The dash after cleaning and a few hours with a chrome paint pen:

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What do you think...Not bad for $6.00??!!

Phil

[Krazed]

Damn, not bad at all! I assume you had a few knicks and scratches in the chrome previously. How did you fill those in before the chrome paint?

[69TAPoser]

Damn, not bad at all! I assume you had a few knicks and scratches in the chrome previously. How did you fill those in before the chrome paint?

Suprisingly, there weren't any deep cuts. The chrome was simply warn off. If I did have any cuts, I probably would have tried some light sanding with fine sandpaper.

Phil

[restomodbird69]

nice job on the dash!!

[Motown 454]

:smoke: Phil I think you need a break you know a change of pace. So because I like you I'll send you the Camaro dash you know just for a change. Wayne

Hey I finaly got a couple of pictures on Photobucket:throw:

[curly]

One word DROOL! The '69 Firebird is my favorite of the 60's f-body cars. I will be watching this one.

[Motown 454]

Phil did you paint the black on the dash if you did what did you use it looks killer

[69TAPoser]

Thanks for the compliments guys.

Morgan - I missed your post, sorry for not responding. I am thinking a year to a year and a half to complete. Feel free to stop by when you are in the area, just drop me a note. I am right off of Route 495. As for shows, I am relatively new to the area so I am not sure which ones I will be attending. How many cars do they get at the Worcester show?

Wayne- I did not paint the dash. I thought about it, but once I cleaned it with some dish soap and a scrubby and used some armor all, it didn't need it!

No new pics yet, but the fuse box is in, I need to finish up the roof with Dynomat, and on Sunday I plan on getting most of the behind the dash electrical, vent, and pedal stuff done.

Phil

[Motown 454]

It looked so nice I started onmine. Yours is in great shape.

[69TAPoser]

There is a crack where the upper left corner screw goes, but it is easily glued and concealed. I don't know how these are to find for the Camaro, but Firebird dashes are getting VERY hard to find, aren't repro'd and usually have the radio area hacked up. I have seen good ones go for $800 on eBay. This one came with my project car and I feel VERY fortunate to have it. Especially seeing that it has the wood applique.

Phil

[67speedfreak]

Phil,
Your project looks awsome. I can't believe the rate at which it is being completed.

Hats off to you my friend.
That's going to be one awsome ride.

I am doing a 67RS right now.
The build is very similar.
It is in the early stages but check it out if you get a chance.

Take care,
Brian

[Beegs]

Phil, everything is looking very nice! I keep wanting to stop in and check it out, can't seem to find the time.
Your ride is going to be a stand out in the crowd kind of car. I can't wait to see it done!

[Hammered]

Looks great, but if you change your mind I'm pretty sure repros came out last month.

[Morgan]

Phil,

The Worcester Summer Nationals draws around 3,000 cars. If the weather is nice it is a great show. I will definitely stop by. Hopefully in the next couple of weeks if you are right off of 495. I am off exit 23.

[ponjohn]

WOW, first time I have poked my head in this area of PT.

As a Pontiac guy, I am glad to see real pontiac power. Real nice job.
Curious why it was necessary to disassemble the body as much as you did?

John

[69TAPoser]

Curious why it was necessary to disassemble the body as much as you did?

John

Floor was riddled with rot covered up by bondo, cheater panels were put on the qtrs and they were warped, rot behind the seam in the firewall (covered by seam sealer), rot on the inner rockers (welded rightr over), I could go on and on.... :injured:

Phil

[69TAPoser]

It's been a few weeks since I posted an update, but I have been working on her! The fresh air dash vents are restored and installed, the stainless front brake lines are in, the brake/clutch pedal box is in, the dash wire harness / fuse box are in, and I also installed a new Ididit chrome column. A few pics...

Chrome Ididit column:
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Air vent:
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Front stainless lines from Inline Tube (waiting on my dist. block):
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More pics here: My Build Site. (https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/My Build Site.)

Phil

[restomodbird69]

looks good man,i caint wait to see it complete

[69TAPoser]

Few new updates:

I know many here may not like the stock dash and the beautiful fake burlwood, but I like the contrast of old and new and decided long ago to keep the interior stock.

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...The leafs were a pain! All the bushings and brackets are new and the repop eye brackets needed to be grinded down a bit to fit and the frame bushings were a beyotch to install! The leafs are DSE 3" drop and I also used their bushing/shackle kit.

Up next is the Ford 9" and finish up the dash wiring.

Phil

[Roger Poirier]

Few new updates:

I know many here may not like the stock dash and the beautiful fake burlwood, but I like the contrast of old and new and decided long ago to keep the interior stock.

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Phil

I like the idea.

R.P.

[Jagarang]

I can't believe you had to replace more panels than I did! You really are sick. Find a good psychologist and get on medication quick, before you loose your mind and soul FOREVER!

You work looks to be top notch and it's really nice to see another Pontiac restomodification from the ground up. Are you doing the jig work and everything yourself:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: , or hiring out:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: ?

Great job on the dash carrier, and I(like Roger) also favor the stock dash set-up. I kept mine looking stock, but changed over to real wood with the stock instrumentation. My only stumbling block with this decision so far has been my FAITH in the stock gauges, even after they were restored. It's hard to rely on them to monitor the vitals on a motor that you've put tons of time and $$$ into! In trying to keep things neat and tidy, we fabbed up a panel to hold several autometers in the useless glovebox. This is tidy but not very practical, and will probably need to be changed at some point.

Let me know if you run into any supply problems or if you need some hard to find parts. If I happen to have some left over your welcome to them. Pontiac stuff is hard to come by!

[69TAPoser]

Thanks Kevin...I think. :lmao: Your car has actually been an inspiration and I have the link to your Yahoo! gallery in my favorites for reference. :smoke:

I wish I could claim that I had the skills required to rebuild the shell. I was fortunate to find a guy 15 minutes from me that rebuilds 1st Gen Shells (what are the chances?). Tony at Musclecarmetal (www.musclecarmetal.com) really took care of me. He is a dist. for Dynacorn and Goodmark and I ordered qtrs through him and stopped in to pick them up. Once I saw his work and realized how bad my shell was, it was a no brainer to have him do mine. I had already purchased all the metal, so he assembled it for a lot less $$ than you would expect.

I replaced the speedo with a repop, but do have the concerns that you do. Mine only has dummy lights and I will be going with a hood tach too.

Pontiac FB stuff is getting VERY hard to come by. Especially for '69s. Thanks for the offer, I may be pinging u in the future! :) My car was a dissambled project car when I bought it and I know there are missing parts!

Phil

[dropit69]

i like the stock guages too but am with you about the vitals..not sure what im gonna do with mine ..the glove box sounds like a good idea...how about a guage cluster in front of shifter like the camaro ..im sure someone could fab one that looks stock..that would be killer..hmmmm

[69TAPoser]

There is a guy producing these for the stacked gauge area of the dash:

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...either color for $100, includes the gauges, screws, and back plate!

He is selling them at: http://gaugegear.com/

I may have to make a purchase before I get mine buttoned up.

Phil

[68firehawk]

What a slick idea. looks much simpler and cheaper then going with one of those full guage cluster mods.

car is looking great!

Jake

[Motown 454]

Hi Phil Looks great. You do nice work. Must feel good to see it coming along so nice. Wayne

[formula98]

Hi Ron-

What quarters are you looking for (year and model)? The guy rebuilding my shell is a goodmark dealer and has over $30K of panels in stock.

Phil

Hi Phil,

It's been a while since I have looked at your post, but I have to say what a great job you are doing. I'm getting closer myself, but still a long way off. I finally got my quarters a week ago. I'm not ready yet as I have been developing a C4 IRS cradle for my car. I will post my progress in a few weeks or so.

You are making great progress and I'll have to look in more often.

[69TAPoser]

Thanks for the compliments guys.

I got my rearend set in place! Axle pads need to be welded on, brake line tabs need to be welded on, and pinion angle needs to be set. Once this is done, it will come out and I will have the housing powder coated:

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I am pretty psyched I got this in tonight!

Phil

[restomodbird69]

you are moving along and it looks great!!

[69TAPoser]

A little more progress...

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[69TAPoser]

No new pictures yet, but the TKO-600 Deluxe Kit from Classic Chevy 5 Speed showed up today! :bananna2:

Over the next few weeks I will be working on aligning my Lakewood bellhousing, getting the clutch installed, mating the tranny to the bell and dropping in the motor! :fingersx:

Phil

[69TAPoser]

I have been working on getting the Lakewood bellhousing aligned properly. I ordered a Browell Bellhousing Alignmnent Tool and I gotta tell ya, this thing is the pretty cool. Once I had measured how much the bell was out of alignment, I ordered the correct offset dowels and installed them using the Alignment Tool. It took me all of about 20 mins to get it "dialed-in."

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...Success! The ring fits into the bell.

If you want to read more about the bell alignment, go to my page here (http://www.69taposer.citymax.com/page/page/4654059.htm).


Up next is the clutch install, tranny to bell install, then dopping the motor in! :headbang:

Phil

[ProTouring442]

I love your injury page! If I did one of those, it might run upwards of 50 pages! No stitches, yet... though there has been at least one that should have had stitches!

I agree on the dash, the factory look is nice. On my 442 I went with aftermarket stuff, but my goal was to make it look like it "could" have come from the factory that way. My favorite compliments are when someone asks if the dash is factory!

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I love your build, nice color too! What sort of interior stuff are you looking to do?

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

[zman1969]

TAPoser - I have been following along on your project and I am impressed looks really great IMO that car was too far gone but you get a A in my book for going that far with the shell :cool: , my T/A clone project has been pretty idle for last 2 years at my buddys shop - pretty discouraging but says now hes moving to Tulsa Ok so he says mine should be done in a month and a half so :nopity: Maybe ill be rolling again - hope i dont get rush job ,as far as your dash - im keeping mine stock too but im adding the repo 69 TA stack guages, my other 69 had rally guages and hood tach and after a year of having it the tach quit - had alot of coments on it but I dont like it being out in the weather. whenever I get some progress ill post up - hopefully soon . Keep up the good work!

[jpdeuce]

That alignment tool is cool. I think I gotta have that. Did you purchase it directly from Browell? How much are they?

[69TAPoser]

442- I need to update the injury page...there have been more! Lots of scrapes and bruises. :injured:

For now, I am thinking of keeping the interior stock with the exception of adding shoulder belts. I have a really nice original console that is hard to find and it would be a shame not to use. I was thinking some aftermarket seats covered to match the stock vinyl, but I will start with the stock seats 1st. Nice dash, btw. Had I thought about it a bit more, I may have gone with new old school style gauges instead of buying repro stuff.

zman- I hear ya on the car being too far gone. I felt as though I was too far into it to start looking for another shell and the reality is, most of the ones avail would have a lot of the same issues (qtrs, floors, rockers, etc). At least this way I know it is all metal and straight! :idea: I am fortunate that I have become friends with my local shop owner so he takes car of me (as well as a body shop can). He gets my stuff through pretty quick. I have read so many stories of projects sitting at the body shop for years! :hand:

Deuce - I ordered right from browell. Ask for Scott he is in the back actually fabbing their stuff. If you have a Ford or Chevy, they will have one on the shelf. They had to make my alignment tool from a chevy tool as the Pontiac stuff is diff. They charged me the "off the shelf price" which is $125 + ship.

Thanks for the compliments too!

Phil

[steve g]

How many square feet of Dynamat did you use? I'm debating pulling out everything under the dash and doing the firewall as well, or just doing from the bottom of the steering column to the bottom of the rear seat back.

[69TAPoser]

How many square feet of Dynamat did you use? I'm debating pulling out everything under the dash and doing the firewall as well, or just doing from the bottom of the steering column to the bottom of the rear seat back.

Hi Steve - Sorry for the delayed response...I didn't see your question. I used about 2.5 bulk boxes and I covered the entire floor up to the bottom of the cowl, the rear qtr window area, and the entire roof. I have .5 box left that I plan on using on the doors.

Made a little progress over the weekend. The McLeod clutch is in. I just need to re-install the bellhousing/clutch fork. Once I do this I can bolt the tranny up and get it in the car!

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[hectore3]

Looks good brother! Just to let you know me and Jeff are heading to Norwalk this weekend. You need anything over there?

[69TAPoser]

Looks good brother! Just to let you know me and Jeff are heading to Norwalk this weekend. You need anything over there?

Hey Hectore-

I didn't see your post until tonight and I think you are already gone. I wish I could have gone...but it is probably best I did not. I am sure there will be too many tempting ways to spend money on expensive parts that I don't need (is there such a thing?)! :eek:

Give an update when you get back, I am anxious to hear how it was. And let me know what you bring back! :naughty:

Phil

[69TAPoser]

After 2 mos of messing around with the Lakewood Scattershield, the TKO600 is finally bolted up!!! I am hoping to get it in the car by the end of of the week! :bananna2:


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[Beegs]

Phil, I had to turn my shifter 180 to put it in the stock location on my 69 Camaro. (Don't ask me how I know) Just thought I would mention it.

[69TAPoser]

Phil, I had to turn my shifter 180 to put it in the stock location on my 69 Camaro. (Don't ask me how I know) Just thought I would mention it.

Thanks for the heads up Beegs. That is actually not the shifter that I will be using, it is the one that came on the tranny. CC5Speed send me an offset one that should line up.

Phil

[F70t/a]

Love that motor bro!!!!

[Motown 454]

Looks awsome Phil, you must be nipping at the bit to get it in and running. When are you planning on having it in? Looks like a nice setup. I look forward to your next update Wayne

[69TAPoser]

Had to pull the headers to wedge the motor and tranny in, but the final clearance is pretty good (tight at the heater core though). Still need to install the crossmember for the TKO-600 and cut the opening in the new floor. :eek:

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[curly]

Following this build has made me really want my truck and shop to be paid off (the only way I can talk the wife into letting me start a build like this :screwy: ).

Your firebird is looking better all the time!!

[MrQuick]

Looks good Phil.Gonna be an awesome ride.

How much engine set back are you using. Looks like you can pull the heater core out and cut the tubes and braze them in to turn to the drivers side. Either that or run a big block heater core.

[pchdrive]

Looking real good Phil!
That's a major task outta the way. Clears up space in the garage to boot.

[restomodbird69]

i am impressed.

[rohrt]

Your build is awsome. Your engine is one of the cleanest pontiacs I have seen. I like the black valve covers too.

[Beegs]

Phil, I just picked up my PHR!!! Nice ink on your car!

Give me a shout before you cut your floor. I just did mine and I would be able to make it perfect if I had to do it over again! LOL

Call me at the house 664-2347

[69TAPoser]

Thanks for the compliments guys.

MrQuick - the engine location is stock (stock frame supports with Mighty Mount engine mounts). I still need to measure for clearance, but I probably have a little more than the pic suggests. It is close, but the picture angle makes it look worse. I was thinking about threading the tubes...should have thought more about that before putting the motor in! :hand: I will most likely pull the core out and may also tweak the tubes as you suggest.

Beegs - I had planned on drilling 4 small holes up from the bottom at each corner of the shifter, then "connect the dots" with a cutoff wheel from the top. How did you do yours? I can give you a call tonight.

Phil

[dropit69]

wow thats looking freaking sweet..cant wait to see it finished !!!!!!!

[69TAPoser]

Got the tranny crossmember in, but I am having some tranny fitment issues.

The motor/tranny need to move forward about 1.5" and the tranny mount is making the tranny hits the tunnel. The motor is not bolted down yet (but the bolts are in the mounts). The motor definitely is angled a bit to one side, which I still need to address. I plan on calling CC5Speed tomorrow to get some advice on the crossmember alignment and the tunnel clearance:

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I picked up a Kwik-Lift over the weekend, so now that I have more room under the car, I snapped some underside shots:

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Phil

[Hammered]

That's lookin' great! I notice you get your best work done on long weekends and holidays:)

Pontiac engines are off center to the passenger side from the factory so don't sweat that. Also, the engine can rotate in the sub to bring one side up or down. I had to take advantage of that and prying the engine all the way forward to get my TKO to fit.

I used a different crossmember so I can't help you with yours, but the sub should have two sets of mounting holes I believe.

John

[69TAPoser]

That's lookin' great! I notice you get your best work done on long weekends and holidays:)

I used a different crossmember so I can't help you with yours, but the sub should have two sets of mounting holes I believe.

John

Wow do I feel dumb. I just went out and tapped the crossmember rearword. You are right! There is 2nd set of mounting holes. Thank you so much, you just saved me a ton of headaches!!! :1st:

And yes, you noticed my "work" schedule. My 7 year old daughter plays Soccer and I coach my sons hockey team, so "garage time" is squeezed in when possible. :)

Phil

[slenning]

Looking great Phil!! Keep the pictures coming

[69TA]

Cleanest build I have EVER seen. Keep it up! I cant wait to see "WickedBird" finished!! :twothumbs

[69TAPoser]

I snuck a night in the garage last night and made a little progress. The engine is now leveled in the car and the subframe connectors are located. I still need to have them welded in the rear and drill for for the bolt in the front:

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...The pics are a little deceiving as they are taken from an under-car angle. They are actually very tight to the bottom of the car. They are almost on the same plane as the subframe. I am very happy with the fitment of them. They are from Global West.

I also got my stacked water/oil gauge pod from GaugeGear. They are made specifically for the '69 Firebird and go in the clock option location. I like 'em!

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Phil

[Smock67]

Wow you've made so much progress on your car it's awesome

[69TAPoser]

Cut a big hole in the floor this week... :scared:

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Phil

[69TAPoser]

Installed the trunk mount battery and ran the wires today:

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[Motown 454]

Hi Phil as always looks nice. Phil did you use the whole lenght of wire that came with the DSE kit to route it the way you did? I have an electrical contractor at worrk who might be able to get me the cable, so I ws wondering the lenght. Wayne

[69TAPoser]

Hey Wayne-

Any news on your car?

I have some length left from the DSE kit, let me go measure it.

Phil

[69TAPoser]

I have 5' left over, so I used 13'. The DSE stuff is 2 GA.

Phil

[Motown 454]

He's still working on it slOOOOWly! Right now I'm deciding on brakes, I'm leaning towards the C6 Z06 stuff. He said he can make the brackets to mount to the 9" rear with parking brakes. I will do front later. He said he would post some new pictures soon. I'm getting ansy to see them. Thanks for checking those for me. Wayne

[69TAPoser]

Package tray and 6x9 speakers installed. Not very exciting, but it's progress...!!! :screwy:

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Phil

[69TAPoser]

Test fit the rear seats (I will be recovering them):
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Installed the rocker covers:

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And measured for the wheels (ordering this week):

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I will be going with 18x8 with a 4.75 bs up front and a 18x9 with a 3.75 bs out back.

I will be ordering either Budnik Fontana's or Bonspeed Huntington's with black powdercoat center and a brushed fat lip. The rears should have a nice deep dish. :yum:

Phil

[Smock67]

where did you get the wheel measurement device from? Car is looking spectacular.

[69TAPoser]

Thanks. I bought the wheelrite at Summit Racing, it is made by Percy's:

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=PHP%2D01201&N=700+115&autoview=sku

It works pretty well.

Phil

[cad]

Why is the bottom side so shiny?....just kidding. VERY nice.

[69TAPoser]

New carpet and the original console are in:

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...Seats are in temporarily. They all need to be recovered.

Also replaced the stock throttle pedal, cable, and bracket with Lokar stuff:

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...I had the stock stuff installed, the Lokar stuff is a vast improvement.

Phil

[68Formula]

Starting to look like a car again. Great progress!

[Motown 454]

Looking good Nice warm weather this week You should kick some butt if you get the time. Wayne

[Lenie]

I really like that engine.:6gears:

[69TAPoser]

Looking good Nice warm weather this week You should kick some butt if you get the time. Wayne

...If hockey coaching wasn't taking priority! :guilty:


I really like that engine.

...It looks good but I haven't started it yet (still need to finish some wiring and install fuel line/gas tank)...so who knows if it even runs! :fingersx:

Phil

[69TAPoser]

Spent most of the weekend working on the headliner. I still have a few wrinkles to work on and the sail panels to put in:

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And my tires arrived today:

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3 more weeks until my wheels arrive. :seizure:

Phil

[eric36]

Spent most of the weekend working on the headliner. I still have a few wrinkles to work on and the sail panels to put in:

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And my tires arrived today:

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3 more weeks until my wheels arrive. :seizure:

Phil
What size wheels and tires did you go with..

[brownz]

2nd that

[69TAPoser]

235/40/18 up front with 4.75" BS on an 8" wheel
275/40/18 out back with 3.75" BS on a 9" wheel

I went with 40s vs 35s as I wanted a little more sidewall. I probably could have gone with a bit wider 245 up front, but Frank at Prodigy mentioned that you wouldn't notice the difference and the 235 is a "safer" choice.

Don't go by the rear back spacing for your car unless you have a shorter 9" Ford rear. This will give the rears a real nice DEEP dish with that back spacing. :yum:

I was also a little conservative on the rear and I may have been able to go with a 285 on a 9.5" wheel, but I measured with a wheelrite tool and it was going to be VERY close and I didn't want to risk it not working out.

I can't imagine what the tires look like in person for you guys running the 315/18s. The 275/18s looks massive to me!

Phil

[zman1969]

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Phil if its not too late you may want to install a BB camaro heater core and box(yours can be modified too) and that would allow alot more room for your heater hoses - sorry its late i have been following your build and its been a while since ive looked in - keep up the Great work! its a pleasure watching a top notch car build! :thankyou:

[69TAPoser]

Ha! Funny you say that. I acquired a BB heater cover this past fall that I will be exchaging in place of the standard cover!

Btw, comments and feedback are always welcome! :twothumbs

Phil

[Motown 454]

Looks good as always, and another good idea using those paper clips to stretch and hold head liner Thanks Ataboy Phil!

[69TAPoser]

Looks good as always, and another good idea using those paper clips to stretch and hold head liner Thanks Ataboy Phil!

Thanks Wayne!

Spent another few hours working the wrinkles out of the headliner and I am now happy with it. It was my first time doing a headliner and it took me LOTS of time and patience (about 15-20 hours total)! I am sure the pro's do this in MUCH less time. I still need to install the sail panels, windlace, dome light, and rear interior trim:

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It was really satisfying to finish it as it was a bit intimidating to start with...looking at the material rolled up in a box and 5 metal bows!

Phil

[zman1969]

Ha! Funny you say that. I acquired a BB heater cover this past fall that I will be exchaging in place of the standard cover!

Btw, comments and feedback are always welcome! :twothumbs

Phil
Phil im pretty sure core is different too - the tubes should be longer
KUTGW (Keep Up The Good Work)!
wish i could work on my car some :hammer:

[69TAPoser]

Thanks zman, I was wondering about that and was hoping that wasn't the case. Oh well, I think it is worth swapping them, I could definetly use more room.

I know what you mean about time. I have been fortunate the past 2 months that I have been able to "sneak" in the garage quite a bit. However, I did get the "look" from the wife last night...so progress may be slowing just a bit! :slap:

Phil

[Motown 454]

Looks good nice and tight no rinkles. Wayne

[MrQuick]

Thanks zman, I was wondering about that and was hoping that wasn't the case. Oh well, I think it is worth swapping them, I could definetly use more room.

I know what you mean about time. I have been fortunate the past 2 months that I have been able to "sneak" in the garage quite a bit. However, I did get the "look" from the wife last night...so progress may be slowing just a bit! :slap:

Phil The core is different and still available through aftermarket vendors..
$47 on ebay
Just a note, you can just redrill the outer box you have (since its painted) I can mail you a template or just copy off the one you might have already.Then install the reinforcing plate, gasket and 2 screws. www.Stevescamaroparts.com he has them in stock with the gasket you would need. UPS's daily.

M10018 PLATE Big Block heater core outlet cover plate EACH $19.95 67-72 I could not find them on line.

Headliner looks great, nice work. A heat gun is your friend for those pesky smaller wrinkles.

[69TAPoser]

The core is different and still available through aftermarket vendors..
$47 on ebay
Just a note, you can just redrill the outer box you have (since its painted) I can mail you a template or just copy off the one you might have already.Then install the reinforcing plate, gasket and 2 screws. www.Stevescamaroparts.com (http://www.Stevescamaroparts.com) he has them in stock with the gasket you would need. UPS's daily.


M10018 PLATE Big Block heater core outlet cover plate EACH $19.95 67-72 I could not find them on line.


Headliner looks great, nice work. A heat gun is your friend for those pesky smaller wrinkles.

Thanks! :twothumbs

Phil

[TonyHuntimer]

Your project is looking great!

Be careful with the heat gun. They work great. Sometimes to great. :hand:

Tony Huntimer

[hectore3]

Hey Phil,

That Firebird is looking wonderful! Hopefully you can make it to Norwalk this year. Me and Jeff had a blast last year.

[69TAPoser]

Your project is looking great!

Be careful with the heat gun. They work great. Sometimes to great. :hand:

Tony Huntimer

Yeah, I was thinking that. I have so many hours into the headliner, I may keep the heat gun in the drawer and steal the wife's blowdryer. :)

Hi Hectore-

I would like to go to Norwalk this year. I need to reserve the dates.

Any pics of how your ride is coming along?

Phil

[hectore3]

Yeah, I was thinking that. I have so many hours into the headliner, I may keep the heat gun in the drawer and steal the wife's blowdryer. :)

Hi Hectore-

I would like to go to Norwalk this year. I need to reserve the dates.

Any pics of how your ride is coming along?

Phil


The actual car is still "rat rod like" LOL! Working on the drivetrain and electrical systems and so on. Finished the 428 with Jeff's expert help though. I am working mad overtime to get the car mechanically done in the spring/summer time frame.

With the real expense...... body work! Coming over the next winter period.

428 +.030 (434)
Wiseco custom forged aluminum flat top pistons
Zero Deck
Eagle 6.625 rods
10/10 crank
Race bearings
Melling MS54D pump
RPM intake.
72cc E-heads
.051" Cometic Head gaskets
Comp Custom Hyd "Extreme Street" lobes 248/254 @.050 .619/.639 lift w/ 1.65's
Crower Stainless 1.65 rockers
Mega brace
11.04:1 on pump gas
Ferra valves
Canton 15-452 road race pan, pickup, and windage diamond stripper
Shaker455's custom built 1000 HP annular
MSD Drop-in & Blaster 2
Accusump system 3 quart
15% under driven pulleys
TCI flexplate SFI approved

[69TAPoser]

Nice! I recognize that engine stand! :)

You'll be on the road before me! :seizure:

Phil

[LONE*STAR]

This is one bad ass FB man...It makes me want my 67 FB back from paint so bad, keep up the top notch build.:firefire:

[69TAPoser]

This is one bad ass FB man...It makes me want my 67 FB back from paint so bad, keep up the top notch build.:firefire:

Thanks man!

Firebirds Rock! :headbang:

Phil

[gearheads78]

Incredible work so far. Can't wait to see it finished :smoke:

[69TAPoser]

Incredible work so far. Can't wait to see it finished :smoke:

Thanks and ME TOO!! :drive1:

Headliner just about done (just need to install the rear tack strips), dome light in, windlace and sail panels installed:

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Kick panels in (these were a beyotch!):

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Next I want to get the dash/electrical buttoned-up then get the quarter window glass in so I can get the quarter area panel covers on.

Phil

[pchdrive]

Looking good Phil!

[Motown 454]

Looks good Phil! Moving pretty good on it. Phil What paint did you use for above the rear quarter pannel and around the speaker deck looks very correct. Just the right amount of gloss. Wayne

[69TAPoser]

Looks good Phil! Moving pretty good on it. Phil What paint did you use for above the rear quarter pannel and around the speaker deck looks very correct. Just the right amount of gloss. Wayne

Hey Wayne-

Yes, I am feeling like I am making good progress lately, but still feeling like cruising this Summer may not be a reality. Lots of driveline stuff to do yet.

I will check with my shop on the paint. They do lots of Camaro work so they knew what to use and I do like how it looks.

Phil

[69TAPoser]

Totally finished the headliner and installed the front and rear inner trim (a rediculous amount of time went into the headliner):

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Installed the rear qtr window regulators/sliders and the rear arm rests:

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I have ordered a smoked glass kit from Frank at Prodigy which should be here this week.

I was originally going to keep the interior totally stock, but I have decided to go with Procar Rally seats:

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...as Procar now has a matching rear seat cover avail, so I can keep the interior consistent and do all the work myself (I have already stripped my rear seats down to the springs). The stock seats are just so uncomfortable and I think these will be a great upgrade.

Phil

[jrsstoy]

WOW thats all I have to say I wished my 69bird looked 1/2 as good as yours

[SamHatco]

Phil,

Making great progress! :cool: What is your time frame for completing this project?

Sam

[69TAPoser]

Phil,

Making great progress! :cool: What is your time frame for completing this project?

Sam

Thanks for the compliments guys. At the moment I am wrestling with recovering the rear seats with material from ProCar to match the Rally front seats and trying to get the qtr window mechanisms and widows squared away (patience required!). :doh:

I also discovered, which I am sure most of you already knew, that the '69 rear seat frame bottom is different on a 'Bird than a Camaro due to the 'Birds rear arm rests. :hand: So I am TRYING to get the Procar covers to work (they only make them for a Camaro), but I am not sure if I will like the final results or not. I will know this weekend as I am close to having them done. I have a stock 'Bird seat cover as backup, but I would prefer to have my seats match.

As for time frame...I try not to think about that too much and just stay focused on making progress. I was hoping to have it a driving primer car for this summer but time is slipping away.

I ordered my Rick's tank a few weeks ago which should be here in 3-4 weeks (praying), my wheels should be here in less than 2 weeks. I still need to get the dash buttoned-up and focus on final driveline stuff, fuel line, and engine harness.

I am hoping I can be driving in primer by end of Summer, but this may be a bit optomistic. Either way, I want to send it to paint jail next fall/winter when I can't be driving it anyway. :fingersx:

I'll have some more pics of progress this weekend, for those interested.

Phil

[CliffS]

Keep the pics coming Phil, looking badass.

[69TAPoser]

I haven't uploaded a bunch of new pics that I have, but I have been making progress.

As I mentioned above, I am going with Procar seats (so much for staying with the stock interior! :spank2: ) and I did not like what I could accomplish myself with the matching Procar rear covers (they really needed to be cut down and re-sewn), so I am having a local upholstery shop do this. I should have them back next week.

My Rick's tank came (only a 2-week wait via Jeg's!) and I have the tank along with their sending unit already installed in the car.

I have ordered my fuel line, pump, fittings, and filter and they arrived today. It should look pretty slick, I am using black braided line with black -AN fittings. I hope to have the fuel line in this weekend.

Still waiting on my wheels from Bonspeed. 6 weeks has turned into 9 weeks and they still aren't here. Bonspeed says they just finished them, but they are waiting on center caps. I should have them at the end of next week (with some luck).

Pics coming this weekend.

Phil

[Motown 454]

Sounds good Phil can't wait to see the new pictures!

Wayne

[Steve Firebird]

You car is looking great. I am wondering how your rear seat worked out. I plan to order Procar Rally seats this week and want to get the rear seat covers as well unless they are not worth the extra work. My car is a 68 firebird so I guess I would have to have the covers reworked like you did.

[69TAPoser]

You car is looking great. I am wondering how your rear seat worked out. I plan to order Procar Rally seats this week and want to get the rear seat covers as well unless they are not worth the extra work. My car is a 68 firebird so I guess I would have to have the covers reworked like you did.

Hi Steve-

I haven't gotten the rear seats back yet, but I should have them by weeks end. I will post pics when I get them.

I still need to post pics of the stainless tank and the mounted fuel pump, but today I got 4 goodies that I just had to get a quick pic of:

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...I put the dollar in the picture as that is all I have left! :hammer:

More pics soon.

Phil

[Smock67]

damn thats some sick lippage you got there mister. Your 69 is coming together great.

[Lenie]

Nice set of wheels. Truly enjoying this thread. Get the wheels on and show us some pictures.:pics2:

[Steve Firebird]

Hi Steve-

I haven't gotten the rear seats back yet, but I should have them by weeks end. I will post pics when I get them.

I still need to post pics of the stainless tank and the mounted fuel pump, but today I got 4 goodies that I just had to get a quick pic of:




...I put the dollar in the picture as that is all I have left! :hammer:

More pics soon.

Phil
Thats some mean looking rims you got for your car. I held off on ordering the procar seats for a while so no rush on the pictures. I think I will run my stock seats this summer and upgrade them next winter. I want to wait untill I can get a DSE roll bar, 3 point seat belts and the procar seats all at one shot. Keep the pics coming!
Steve

[GMracer]

Wheels look awesome, great design and backspacing, can't wait to see them mounted.

[69TAPoser]

They are dirty and my black lug nuts are on order...but the rears are on! :woot:

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I nailed the back spacing, but the aftermarkt quarters have a little more lip than original, so I may need to trim a 1/4" off each lip.

Phil

[Motown 454]

NICE Phil VERY NICE!!! I like those goodies from Marquez you have in the door jams Too!
Wayne

[69TAPoser]

NICE Phil VERY NICE!!! I like those goodies from Marquez you have in the door jams Too!
Wayne

Thanks Wayne. And good catch on the Marqueze stuff. ;-)

Phil

[69TAPoser]

Rick's sumped stainless tank:
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Fuel pump:
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Fuel Line:
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Phil

[muthstryker]

hey phil, nice update. was wondering where you got your fuel line things that hold the line to the frame, I cant remember what they are called im drawin a blank right now..

[69TAPoser]

hey phil, nice update. was wondering where you got your fuel line things that hold the line to the frame, I cant remember what they are called im drawin a blank right now..

I always get my "odd" fittings from:

http://www.godmanhiperformance.com/

They are called line clamps (I drilled and tapped my frame for them) and they have a good selection of sizes, just search on "line clamps" on their site.

Regards,

Phil

[69TAPoser]

All 4 wheels mounted with new black lug nuts...

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rollin', rollin', rollin'...

Also note the tinted window glass (from Frank at Prodigy Customs).

Phil

[gearbanger]

Man I love to see that Pontiac power peaking out from under that plastic!

[Motown 454]

Looks Good Phil
Wayne

[69TAPoser]

The rear seats are back from the upholsterer. They were covered with the rear seat kit material from ProCar that will match the ProCar Rally 1000 front seats. I had the upholsterer cover them because they are for a Camaro and the Firebird rear seat is several inches narrower, so they had to be restitched on the ends:

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Phil

[Motown 454]

Looks good Phil I like the looks of those procar seats they look like thye hold you in place very well. Phil is that the smoked glass from Frank if so how do you like it I have a set for my car. Are those tires Mihcelin Pilots ?
Wayne

[69TAPoser]

Hi Wayne-

Yes, I forgot to point out the glass. It is smoked and it is from Frank. I was concerned about what it would look like without having seen it before. But after installing it, I am VERY happy with it. Not too dark and not too light. I think it will really set the car off nicely. Everyone that see's the car comments on how nice the smoked glass looks. I have a friend that is just finishing a '67 Bird 'vert and he now wants to add the smoked glass to his car!

Tires are Goodyear F1s.

Did you catch the billet qtr window cranks? ;-)

Phil

[Motown 454]

Nice, you snuck those by me, I'll have to pay closer attention!!
Wayne

[dropit69]

damn thats looking good Phil ive been following this from the begining...seats came out really nice..!!

[Young Gun]

that seat looks awsome! this build is going really well! cant wait to see it done!

[Hammered]

I have a friend that is just finishing a '67 Bird 'vert and he now wants to add the smoked glass to his car!

Last time I checked, you could only get it for the hardtops. I really wanted it for my car.

[blissbsm]

Last time I checked, you could only get it for the hardtops. I really wanted it for my car.

I just ordered a set from frank @ Prodigy for my 67 vert bird

[69TAPoser]

Last time I checked, you could only get it for the hardtops. I really wanted it for my car.

That's interesting, I wasn't even aware that there was a diff. between 'vert and coupe glass. What is the diff?

Phil

[Steve Firebird]

That's interesting, I wasn't even aware that there was a diff. between 'vert and coupe glass. What is the diff?

Phil
Rear quarter glass is different

[zman1969]

Rear quarter glass is different
and the windshield is like 1" shorter also - keep up the good work , ive been lurking and watching for some time on this thread :hail:

[Lenie]

Looking good. I believe you forgot to mention you've purchased a 68 Firebird. It looks to be in great shape.:twothumbs

[JPMACHADO]

very clean. I love it

[69TAPoser]

The '68 Bird has been a bit of a distraction, but I am back on the '69.

Got the fuel line to the firewall. I will be running it under the heater box and into the fuel log from the back for a "cleaner" look:

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Back side:
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Changing the heater core to a Camaro big block core/cover to push the heater hoses away from the back of the valve cover:
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I hope the 'Bird body doesn't reject the Camaro organ. :lmao:

Oh yeah, and I made a new mascot too: :dunno:

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Phil

[MrQuick]

looking great Phil,

one suggestion is to get that fuel line up over the pinch a bit. You don't want the lowest part of your car's body being fuel line.

[gearheads78]

looking great Phil,

one suggestion is to get that fuel line up over the pinch a bit. You don't want the lowest part of your car's body being fuel line.

I was going to say the exact same thing. Needs to be as tucked away as much as possible

[69TAPoser]

Thanks for the feedback guys. I took your advice and flipped the clamps the other way to move the line up behind the body seam:

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test fit the b/b core and cover:
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[Young Gun]

looks awesome! love the new logo!

[69TAPoser]

Okay, back on the '69. I sold my summer driver '68 Firebird (aka "The Distraction") over the weekend. No more "other" cars until I am done with the '69. My wife even made me promise her. :slap:

Fuel line is now complete:

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The line looks tight here, but it is not...plenty of clearance:
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Also installed the headers...one step closer to getting th motor fired up...

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...darn dust. See what happens when you don't work on it for 8 weeks???

I also order my Procar seats today. I hope to have pics of them installed this weekend. :naughty:

Phil

[Motown 454]

Oh so sweet getting closer. Be sure to post a video when you fire it up.

[CliffS]

Phil, sweet as always.
What brand headers do you have, or are they custom pieces?

[69TAPoser]

Phil, sweet as always.
What brand headers do you have, or are they custom pieces?

Thanks Cliff, they are Doug's headers. I am rally happy with the clearance at the steering box and they are nearly flush with the subframe underneath.

Phil

[trapin]

Phil...phenomenal job. That is going to be a great car. This is a very good build thread. Kept me entertained for awhile.

Can't wait to see it finished.

[CliffS]

Thanks Cliff, they are Doug's headers. I am rally happy with the clearance at the steering box and they are nearly flush with the subframe underneath.

Phil

Phil,

I see you also have a Canton pan. Does it have a wind. tray on the bottom? Maybe a part#?

Thanks!

[69TAPoser]

Phil,

I see you also have a Canton pan. Does it have a wind. tray on the bottom? Maybe a part#?

Thanks!

Hi Cliff-

It does have a tray, but the engine was assembled a few years ago and they "customized" what what was avail. at the time (i.e. I can't use a stock dip stick and I had to "clearance" the pan a bit). I believe there is actually a new (and better) tray available now that will circumvent these issues.

I have always had good luck with Butler Performance and they have a few tray options...scroll down this page:

http://www.butlerperformance.com/new_products.html

If you are looking for one, I would give them a call and see what they recommend for your application.

Phil

[CliffS]

Hi Cliff-

It does have a tray, but the engine was assembled a few years ago and they "customized" what what was avail. at the time (i.e. I can't use a stock dip stick and I had to "clearance" the pan a bit). I believe there is actually a new (and better) tray available now that will circumvent these issues.

I have always had good luck with Butler Performance and they have a few tray options...scroll down this page:

http://www.butlerperformance.com/new_products.html

If you are looking for one, I would give them a call and see what they recommend for your application.

Phil

Ok Phil, the stroker assembly and some other goodies under my hood are from Butler. I give them a call.

[69TAPoser]

Installed the ProCar Rally front seats today. There are well made and VERY comfortable. I love the side bolsters and the adjustability (they fold back flat). The install was fairly easy. Per usual, some hardware was missing but they were all common bolts that I could replace. They compliment the interior perfectly and fit very well. They look pretty close to the console, but the bolsters actually angle up and just over the console. I wouldn't want them any closer, but the fit is very good. They are perfect for me, but I am only just over 5'8" and about a 38" waist. I would think anyone over 5'10" would need to do some "adjusting" to the seat adapters (I have heard of others having to do this). But for me, the fit is perfect. I couldn't be happier with them:

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Phil

[SamHatco]

Great looking seats, Phil! Those seats look like they were orignally designed for that car. Keep us posted!:cool:

Sam

[Motown 454]

Looks good Phil If people didn't know, they would think they were a factory upgrade they fit so well. Is that it for the interior, or is there more to do ? Keep up the good work and keep us posted.

[Jarcaines]

I second the comment on the seats, very nice! I have been debating what to do with my seats to keep a factory look in my interior, those are killer!

[69TAPoser]

Thanks guys! :twothumbs

The interior (minus the doors) is just about done. I need to align the qtr glass and get the dash buttoned-up. I ordered Simpson camlock belts over the weekend (just lap belts).

I really want to focus on getting the engine fired-up at this point.

Phil

[Motown 454]

Sweet, I'm taking a trip to Florida Sept 10th. I might swing by and see my car ( Gee I hope it remembers me ) lol

[marinablueSS]

I Vote platinum/silver combo Throw in Sarah Palin and it's a real winner!!! Looks great.

[69TAPoser]

Bad news and sorta good news on the build.

The bad news is after trying and trying to get the engine level in the car, I took some measurements and found that the subframe is bent. It is bent about 3/4" down on the right front. Doesn't sound like much, but it is.

The good news is I just ordered a new subframe from Speedtech with a unisteer rack. This pic is from their site:

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Using the stock subframe (which was pitted in areas) without a rack was the only thing I had regretted on my build to this point.

I will be transferring all of my GW suspension over to the new unit. It should be here a week from Friday.

Phil

[Motown 454]

You better hide that bill from Mama ! Glad for you Phil ,makes a sweet ride even better.

[curly]

Looks like something to make your build that much nicer!

[pchdrive]

Awesome Phil!
I can just hear that conversation with the wifey...
Honey, you remember when I needed to do ___ and ____ for the new pool you wanted? It was worth it, right? You are happy, right baby?
Well, I have a little problem with "wicked bird" , you know, my other love....she needs a new front end. So I ordered it.
When it is all done it will be so cool and everything will fit up just right. Don't worry, it's under control.....

[69TAPoser]

If she ever "reviews" my reciept book for this car I am in soooo much trouble! :scared:

Phil

[pchdrive]

Heck, just make sure you post pics of that front end end the day it arrives....

[CliffS]

Any update Phil? It's been too long....haha

[69TAPoser]

Hey Cliff, it has been too long! I have been holding out a bit. The Speedtech subframe is here and I started swapping over my front GW suspension this week.

I will have some pics in the next day or two. :naughty:

Phil