Cuda at SEMA

[Bob Johnson]

Pm me some info and I will be there, if I can get a hall pass....lol
you getting a hall pass is no laughing matter, you pus*y whipped puppy..remember that last 50% split you made..

[Bill Howell]

It was more like 90/10

[Bob Johnson]

It was more like 90/10
90/10...damn.. I think you should have turned gay instead of going back for round two..don't ever let your wife know you let one get that big a piece. Gives em a superiority complex..controling 50% of the money and all the nookie is enough to make them cocky. You must have been a bad boy in your early days, or wanted out real bad..how long did it take your roids to heal after that reaming?

[Bill Howell]

That was in 90 and I am still pissed. In fact, thanks for reminding me about it.
Sad thing, the dumb ..... did not realize at the time, the attorneys where getting all the money not her. :lmao:

[Bob Johnson]

Lawyers..low as it gets..under whale dung and that's on the bottom of the ocean..bad thing is when lawyers grow up they become judges and politicians..small wonder the law and govt. is screwed up..btw aren't you a city councilman? uh forget one of my last comments..

[kennyd]

Lawyers..low as it gets..under whale dung and that's on the bottom of the ocean..bad thing is when lawyers grow up they become judges and politicians..small wonder the law and govt. is screwed up..btw aren't you a city councilman? uh forget one of my last comments..


be nice bob they will shut you down again ,

[Bill Howell]

Kenny, I thought that WAS being nice....lol
and BOB it is planning and zoning commissioner, not city council. I am appointed not elected, I am just 1/2 politician. I am on that board because of my knowledge, not whose *** I kiss....lol
Someone had to step up and keep the car shows in town, they figured they could blame it on me, the outsider......lol

[69rs]

Bob, you've raised Redneck to an art form........and in only 760 posts! Where's that redneck smiley!?!?

[F70t/a]

Bob,

Did any high end builders give you props on your cuda?

[Bob Johnson]

again???

[Bob Johnson]

I could have done it a lot quicker, but my lawyers wanted too much to get this disclaimer written so I had to get a planning and zoning commissioner to draw it up for me... you know how those pr*cks are..only get them to act if you want a piece of property rezoned or something and pay them under the table..plus I was trying real hard not to step on anyones toes..

[Bob Johnson]

I didn't see Foose but every other builder that saw it went nuts over it. I guess the best compliment came from Bobby Alloway who looked me straight in the eye and said..I just couldn't start to build that car. Alan is just way out front..I can't even imagine some of the stuff that he has done here. Ken, owner of the black Challenger Bobby built was with him and he echoed Bobby's praise. Pinkee, Barry Lobeck, Tim Strange, Paul Atkins,Steve Moal,Bruce Canepa,Bruce Myers,Mike Stavesky,Dan Webb,Steve Strope,Jerry Covington,Jack Trepanier,Mike Bluett,Greg Selvidge,Wayne Davis, Roy Brizio,Royce Glader,Steve Saleen,Danny Steve Frisbee,Bones Noteboom,Rick Dore,Danny Panoz,George Poteet,Year One Crew,Charlie Lillard, Ring Bros. Cimbanin Bros. just to name a few..Jim Rizzo gave me a special compliment..he is with Super Chevy magazine, was editor of Rod and Custom, editor of one of the truck magazines and has been around a long time and really knows his cars..he looked at me and said.. Bob, this is the nicest car I have ever seen in my life..

[Doug Cooper]

I hate to hit and run, but I just got a call I have to go pick up the boys from POKER.

I'll come back on later to see where this thread is headed?

Maybe Bob will turn it in the direction of the CUDA! Doug

[Bob Johnson]

I hate to hit and run, but I just got a call I have to go pick up the boys from POKER.

I'll come back on later to see where this thread is headed?

Maybe Bob will turn it in the direction of the CUDA! Doug
gonna start a new TV series..Father Knows Best.2006..Doug Cooper & Family. Father with humpteen cars, living in multi multi million $$$ neighborhood, cranking, revving ,testing, bad as* cars up and down the yellow brick roads of Syoset N. Y.,and his red carpeted street. His high rolling neighbors having heart attacks, writing the low life planning and zoning people,(no inference to a member on this site) Doug paying them off to keep from getting cited..Carrying his kids to poker tournaments where they can gamble to help pay for their new fangled rides..Dougey doing burnouts at the local car shows..his kids showing amazement.. He doesn't drink a drop, no cussing, no womanizing etc..that's why I hang with him..I can do more of the above to make up for his share..Plus he can get you in anywhere,bull crap his way by any obstacle, con the security people, get deals on most anything..best disposition and most polite, quiet New Yorker on the planet..

[Bob Johnson]

He should have talked him into giving him the bike for free! Maybe not to keep just to ride til he outgrows it then he will give it back.

As far as being Jewish "Yes I'm one of the chosen people" And no I don't mind being called "Jew" It's my heritage and my religion {I'm not religous but I am proud} not a derogatory slang like REDNECK. So no I don't mind it unless you are using it like REDNECK! {LOL}
Now how could you even think I would be using it like a redneck. I'm a polished red neck like Foxworthy..just haven't got the money he does. No one should be ashamed of their heritage..If they are, they have a serious problem. I've got Polish friends that loved a good polish joke more than anything..by the way did you hear the one ......

[Doug Cooper]

gonna start a new TV series..Father Knows Best.2006..Doug Cooper & Family. Father with humpteen cars, living in multi multi million $$$ neighborhood, cranking, revving ,testing, bad as* cars up and down the yellow brick roads of Syoset N. Y.,and his red carpeted street. His high rolling neighbors having heart attacks, writing the low life planning and zoning people,(no inference to a member on this site) Doug paying them off to keep from getting cited..Carrying his kids to poker tournaments where they can gamble to help pay for their new fangled rides..Dougey doing burnouts at the local car shows..his kids showing amazement.. He doesn't drink a drop, no cussing, no womanizing etc..that's why I hang with him..I can do more of the above to make up for his share..Plus he can get you in anywhere,bull crap his way by any obstacle, con the security people, get deals on most anything..best disposition and most polite, quiet New Yorker on the planet..


That TV show sounds great, can you hook me up with the people that produced Barrett-Jackson Car Search... do you think they might be interested?
I even do burnouts in my own driveway... prior to a re-pave neighbors think somethings on fire??????

Great story line Bob. We've got to work you into the plot, related through marriage [the redneck way] You married my brothers first wife..ha ha ha LOL!

[Doug Cooper]

Now how could you even think I would be using it like a redneck. I'm a polished red neck like Foxworthy..just haven't got the money he does. No one should be ashamed of their heritage..If they are, they have a serious problem. I've got Polish friends that loved a good polish joke more than anything..by the way did you hear the one ......


Read it again I wasn't saying you were using it that way. I was using redneck that way. That was the joke.

[Bill Howell]

He doesn't drink a drop, no cussing, no womanizing etc..that's why I hang with him..I can do more of the above to make up for his share..Plus he can get you in anywhere,bull crap his way by any obstacle, con the security people, get deals on most anything..best disposition and most polite, quiet New Yorker on the planet..

Why would he be hanging with you is the big question here. So he can say he has friends in low places? :moon:
Doug, please fill us in! lol
Oh, and no polish jokes, our censors are getting too much overtime as it is...... :lol: Irish jokes are fine, I are one. Blonde jokes are fine too, I can use them on Melinda.

[Bob Johnson]

You know the story on the production company. Speed wasn't very happy with them as you know I wasn't.

[Bob Johnson]

Read it again I wasn't saying you were using it that way. I was using redneck that way. That was the joke.
I know..a joke answer to a joke

[Bob Johnson]

That TV show sounds great, can you hook me up with the people that produced Barrett-Jackson Car Search... do you think they might be interested?
I even do burnouts in my own driveway... prior to a re-pave neighbors think somethings on fire??????

Great story line Bob. We've got to work you into the plot, related through marriage [the redneck way] You married my brothers first wife..ha ha ha LOL!
you're the super rich version of the Palm Springs guy that cops stole his Imperial..That dude is halarious...I'm not saying Dougie lives in a snooty neighborhood, but the covenants disallow parking any vehicle anywhere in front of or on your property in public view unless it has a wholesale value of over $100K.

[Bob Johnson]

Why would he be hanging with you is the big question here. So he can say he has friends in low places? :moon:
Doug, please fill us in! lol
Oh, and no polish jokes, our censors are getting too much overtime as it is...... :lol: Irish jokes are fine, I are one. Blonde jokes are fine too, I can use them on Melinda.
How about the one about the Rabbi and the Priest looking at the young kids playing during recess?

[Bill Howell]

Was it a Blonde Rabbi and an Irish Priest??? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Bob Johnson]

I PMd you..

[Bob Johnson]

You'd never guess it but every house I ever had won yard of the month more than any other in my neighborhood. I've always tried to make sure my property was spotless. I wanted my property to bring value of the neighborhood up, not down. I've always respected my neighbors, and have been friends with all of them. That took some doing since I lived in a pretty snooty neighborhood for 20 years before moving to the country 6 years ago. I still keep my property nice even though I have 43 acres to keep up..or should I say my good ol full time Mexican Yardman/helper around here..and I'm not talking about Jon..no ethnic group or nationality will claim him..Rumor is he's Junior Sample's illigimate son..

[KILLER06MUSTANG]

In my opinion i think that alan needs some days off. Preferable today, tommorow and maybe thursday morning. so that my daddy doesn't leave me in new york to go to alabama just to hear the dam car, and if he does go to hear the car run well i wanna hear it 2!!!!! dad this is a plea to you not to leave me home

[Doug Cooper]

Why would he be hanging with you is the big question here. So he can say he has friends in low places? :moon:
Doug, please fill us in! lol

Bill I was introduced to Bob indirectly [funny story ask Bob] through Alan Johnson. After hangin around him for awhile [instantly] I realized we had the same dry/warped sense of humor and sickness/taste in cars.

I look forward to meeting you, I'm headed down to Alan's on Wednesday and Bob's coming over maybe we will run into you in the area. Doug

[Bob Johnson]

you twins are pretty well ignored..I feel real sorry for you..tell dear ol dad to just lease a jet and bring Big Ron, you boys, and his buddy Frank down here..I'll have to keep an eye on ol Frank since he might steal something off the Cuda..

[Bill Howell]

..Rumor is he's Junior Sample's illigimate son..

Like 10% of the members here know who that is.
You are telling your age now.....lol

Doug, I will see you Friday. :twothumbs

[Bob Johnson]

Read it again I wasn't saying you were using it that way. I was using redneck that way. That was the joke.
In the words of ol Lester Flatt..I don't mind being called a hillbilly..just as long as you're smiling when you say it. now if some arrogant book smart twit from Harvard or Yale calls you a redneck while he clears his throat condescendingly, he might get a drum of whoop ass opened up on him..HICK IS CHIC>>ain't ya heard

[kennyd]

Like 10% of the members here know who that is.
You are telling your age now.....lol

Doug, I will see you Friday. :twothumbs


just call br549

[Bob Johnson]

Hell farr..us white Caucasian workin folks isa tired of being the only group who can be ridiculed with pejoratives like white trash, redneck, cracker, hill billy and other sh*t too fierce to mention. We ain't got us no National Association of the Advancement of Red Necks NARN lobbying for us..but we's too busy workin and supportin our familys to be up there in Washington a picketin and sh*t. Did I tell you what you got if you cross the million man march and 500,000 lesbians? That's 1.5 million people that don't do dik..We southern folk haven't forgot where we're from. We's native to this area and we's proud of it..

[Bob Johnson]

April PHR is out..my phone has rung off the hook today. I'm always the last to get mine..living here in rural Ga. I think my postwoman has a husband that reads my books, and he reads real slow. Everybody is raving about the coverage. Real People prints plaques off the magazine coverage. He said it had 17 pages. He said he had never seen that much coverage on one car. Can't wait to see it.

[Rick Dorion]

Just got my issue and the coverage is fantastic. Should be a Build Book. Nice to see indepth coverage with lots of pics. Great job, great accomplishment Bob.

[Bob Johnson]

Just got my issue and the coverage is fantastic. Should be a Build Book. Nice to see indepth coverage with lots of pics. Great job, great accomplishment Bob.
Scott has for some reason ignored Alan in the past. He has supposed to be over at Alan's to shoot my 56 Ford Truck, my 67 Blazer truck, my woodie etc. he's never shown up to do any of them. Buckaroo took 1/2 of a day to shoot my 56, screwed up the pictures..never called me to reshoot, apologize or anything. They had a list of top builders in one of their books..conveniently left Alan out of it. It was unreal the guys they listed and left Alan out..Scott called Alan to discuss a build up book on the Cuda. Alan was already well into the project. Scott wanted to be involved from the start so it wasn't done. don't know why he hadn't heard of this project. We were over 2 years getting this project going . Buckaroo has finally started to give Alan some of his due. Don't know what took them so long to figure out he's in the top 5 builders in the nation.

[Bob Johnson]

Alan finally got the car running today. Finally got an engineer at Fast to figure out what was wrong..The software given to us was not what we needed. after Alan and crew had worked until 2AM last night and from 8am to 4 pm today. It fired right up when we got the correct program. Then one of the coils took a dump. The cam sensor is acting up as is the crank sensor. Love those hot rod parts. Got to get a spare of all of them to make sure we can go from A to B. Car sounds very good..very crisp..don't think we're going to make the Friday dyno test now. We've got to get some miles on the trans and rear before we put it thru the dyno strain.

[Bob Johnson]

Just got my issue and the coverage is fantastic. Should be a Build Book. Nice to see indepth coverage with lots of pics. Great job, great accomplishment Bob.
thank you a bunch..Alan has worked real hard on this car. hope he gets his just reward.

[speedster]

Just an awesome car Bob.
PHR has definately been going to the hills the last couple of issues to find the best cars in the nation. Now if you can just get Alan to machine some of YOUR body parts, you could be on the cover of Cooter and Fitness or one of those Georgian kind of babe magnet magazines. Two covers in one month, could be a record... :lmao:
Nah, glad you found the problem with the software, stuff like that can really be a pain.
Congrats on the cover.

[Bob Johnson]

Just an awesome car Bob.
PHR has definately been going to the hills the last couple of issues to find the best cars in the nation. Now if you can just get Alan to machine some of YOUR body parts, you could be on the cover of Cooter and Fitness or one of those Georgian kind of babe magnet magazines. Two covers in one month, could be a record... :lmao:
Nah, glad you found the problem with the software, stuff like that can really be a pain.
Congrats on the cover.
been thinking about liposuction, but the whale processing industry is afraid that tallow futures will fall thru the floor if that much lard gets out at one time. Can't even go to the beach for fear someone will harpoon me. I'm going to put a few of the whiners on this site in CRY BABY WEEKLY..Won't have to do a thing to them.

[kennyd]

congrats bob and allan . you deserve it ! i have not seen it yet , i hope it shows alot of trick little shots .
bob , we dont weight to much , others weight to little .
round boy racing , 200 plus club !

[Bob Johnson]

You weigh too much when you have to take a breather everytime you tie your shoes..hence I wear loafers..

[Bob Johnson]

The cover for the new Popular Hot Rodding Magazine is on Their Home Page on the Internet..looks pretty sick..in a good way..Hunkey man is way cool..

[alcino]

Holy crap! They put my bucket on the cover too. Now I really can't wait to get this issue. Cuda looks awsome Bob.


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Alcino

[vanzuuk1]

Alcino I love the cuda more than life itself but you get a huge thumbs up for your car in phr, same to mark with the black nova. Both you guys did a great job.

[Damn True]

Holy crap! They put my bucket on the cover too. Now I really can't wait to get this issue. Cuda looks awsome Bob.


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Alcino



Dude, your "bucket" is freakin cool!

[Bob Johnson]

I can't wait either..congrats on you getting on the cover too..Alan got the Cuda running right today. First we had the wrong program given to us with a glitch in it and then we had an experimental stub of a distributor that had a cam sensor in it that sensed #1 for the ignition. There was a set screw on the back side of the magnet sensor..guess what..the set screw was magnetized so when it came by 180 degrees from the magnet, it sensed it also. Had everything screwed up. They took it apart and took out the offending screw and viola..she ran fine..cracks like a whip..nice deep tone, good cam lope. Doug Cooper couldn't stay away. He flew down this morning. His twins are peeoed..I guess he'll have to bring them down when we get rescheduled for the dyno pull..Dougey's a good family man..When his boys get a little more time under their collective belts, I'd hate to see what the Cooper crew shows up with at the shows... he'll have to have a big rig like what I had for his, his kids, and big Ron's toys. He's coming over here to look at a 37 Ford Slant back I sold a friend of mine a few years ago..It's super nice..He needs something he can carry the boys to a show in. If they get much bigger, I don't know what he's going to need..big ol Packard or Buick LIMO with 800 H.P. He's going to be a force to be reckoned with in this hobby for sure..

[Bob Johnson]

Dude, your "bucket" is freakin cool!
that term bucket hits a nerve..bucket of oysters..bucket of wings..bucket of beer etc..YUM YUM got me fired up..gotta go to Hooters..

[Rick Dorion]

Bucket of hooters.

[Bob Johnson]

Bucket of hooters.
Don't kill me..them and a cold one..I'm gone..man's got to know his limitations

[MarkM66]

Alcino I love the cuda more than life itself but you get a huge thumbs up for your car in phr, same to mark with the black nova. Both you guys did a great job.

Thanks. I can't wait to see the issue. :firefire:

[Steve1968LS2]

Holy crap! They put my bucket on the cover too. Now I really can't wait to get this issue. Cuda looks awsome Bob.


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Alcino

Least we could do for the one of the fastest cars we have ever tested.. :)

Congrats man.. we even used one of those pics I snapped or your car (on the ridge)..

Congrats to Bob and Mark as well.. nice cars!

[Steve Chryssos]

Steve,
Can you post decent "outtake" photos of all three cars ('cuda, MII, and Nova). Y'know...Like you did in the thread about Howell's car. That would make a nice Pro-Touring.com tradition. It would give lurkers more reason to come out of hiding while providing your most loyal readers with an exclusive perk.

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve,
Can you post decent "outtake" photos of all three cars ('cuda, MII, and Nova). Y'know...Like you did in the thread about Howell's car. That would make a nice Pro-Touring.com tradition. It would give lurkers more reason to come out of hiding while providing your most loyal readers with an exclusive perk.

Not a bad idea at all.. i will go shrink a couple down.. :)

[Steve Chryssos]

I'm always thinking. :screwy:

[Steve1968LS2]

I'm always thinking. :screwy:

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?? lol

I made a thread on it for ya.. I think we have a good mix of cars this month. Chevy, Ford, Mopar .. East, West, South .. Orange, black, blue.. lol

[Doug Cooper]

I'm hangin out with Alan for a few days and the Cuda is running.

IT SOUNDS BADAS*!!!!!!!!!!

It's going back together as I type this getting all the Maxton required safety and go fast goodies.

Bob I might ride in it before you!LOL [see you tomorrow]

I've been around this car quite a bit and I'm still spoting more trick engineered pieces, and there are more being added.

Little items like the billet tail pipe hangers, Very Trick. When any of you get to see the car take along hard look!!!!!!!

Look for the water pump and radiator hoses? no where in site?

The Popular Hotrodding issue just arrived at the shop and the entire staff is checking it out.
It's quite a spread on the Cuda, lots of concept drawings, build photos, and detail shots.

"The Baddest Muscle Car Ever!"

[Bob Johnson]

Alan gets this thing ready just when I have a colonoscopy (my first) lined up. Might be a little more info than you wanted.. Figured the Cuda might scare the Sh*t out of me so I better be clean..yowzaa..a buddy of mine went to Alan's to get my Woodie and bring it to World of Wheels..he holds a few Bonneville Records, some at Maxton, and used to race with Jim Downing for the Factory Mazda Team..He looked at the Cuda again and said I was stupider than he gave me credit for being if I ran that Cuda at Maxton..I told him to come witness the D/A attack..I's born dumb and had a relapse..

[KILLER06MUSTANG]

I'm hangin out with Alan for a few days and the Cuda is running.

IT SOUNDS BADAS*!!!!!!!!!!

It's going back together as I type this getting all the Maxton required safety and go fast goodies.

Bob I might ride in it before you!LOL [see you tomorrow]

I've been around this car quite a bit and I'm still spoting more trick engineered pieces, and there are more being added.

Little items like the billet tail pipe hangers, Very Trick. When any of you get to see the car take along hard look!!!!!!!

Look for the water pump and radiator hoses? no where in site?

The Popular Hotrodding issue just arrived at the shop and the entire staff is checking it out.
It's quite a spread on the Cuda, lots of concept drawings, build photos, and detail shots.

"The Baddest Muscle Car Ever!"



Doug id love to take a long look at the cuda. WHEN i see it. which will probably be sometime in the next 3 months im hoping. but i should have seen it yesterday

[CHILI442]

Just got the mag yesterday. Coverage is awesome. I've been following the build here but I'm still in awe. I don't quite understand the Eagle rods, but the car is no doubt the Baddest Musclecar Ever!!!! Congrats

I take it this beast will be at Goodguys Columbus?

[JoshStratton]

Ok. I give up. There are WAY too many posts in this thread. This has to be a record.

Can anyone tell me what those seats are out of?

[barraza]

I finally read this whole thing and realized you are going to dyno 30 min from my house. I'd love to be a fly on the wall, have you rescheduled?

Other thing I learned from 20 plus pages is that the Cheetah and Gold Club are closed, is that for real? Its been a while since I was in Atlanta.

[speedster]

Alan gets this thing ready just when I have a colonoscopy (my first) lined up. Might be a little more info than you wanted.. Figured the Cuda might scare the Sh*t out of me so I better be clean..yowzaa..a buddy of mine went to Alan's to get my Woodie and bring it to World of Wheels..he holds a few Bonneville Records, some at Maxton, and used to race with Jim Downing for the Factory Mazda Team..He looked at the Cuda again and said I was stupider than he gave me credit for being if I ran that Cuda at Maxton..I told him to come witness the D/A attack..I's born dumb and had a relapse..

Oh man Bob, does that mean you are full of $#!t or is that just to keep the flies away. Better you than me. That just sounds nasty. Must be all that good eatin'.

Wish I could see you run at Maxton, please have someone take video that you can post. And when you do run, be safe !

The Baddest Muscle Car Ever! - they got that one right.

[KILLER06MUSTANG]

Alan gets this thing ready just when I have a colonoscopy (my first) lined up. Might be a little more info than you wanted.. Figured the Cuda might scare the Sh*t out of me so I better be clean..yowzaa..a buddy of mine went to Alan's to get my Woodie and bring it to World of Wheels..he holds a few Bonneville Records, some at Maxton, and used to race with Jim Downing for the Factory Mazda Team..He looked at the Cuda again and said I was stupider than he gave me credit for being if I ran that Cuda at Maxton..I told him to come witness the D/A attack..I's born dumb and had a relapse..


now you see what the "good egg" does to you

[69rs]

I finally read this whole thing and realized you are going to dyno 30 min from my house. I'd love to be a fly on the wall, have you rescheduled?

Other thing I learned from 20 plus pages is that the Cheetah and Gold Club are closed, is that for real? Its been a while since I was in Atlanta.
I recently, um, heard....you know, from a friend.....that the Cheetah didn't close, only the Gold Club.

[Bob Johnson]

now you see what the "good egg" does to you
If I had eaten at the whopper doodle with you guys, I wouldn't be needing the colonoscopy..I'd been cleaned out in Scottsdale.

[Bob Johnson]

I recently, um, heard....you know, from a friend.....that the Cheetah didn't close, only the Gold Club.
Gold Club and The Cheetah were a little too high Class and Snooty for me..in the day I liked the Pink Pony, Tattle Tale, Mardi Gras, etc. Lot less attitude..You can get $250.00 out of me.. but it takes more than a table dance..The Real liked The Clairmont Lounge..where old strippers go to die..

[Bob Johnson]

Oh man Bob, does that mean you are full of $#!t or is that just to keep the flies away. Better you than me. That just sounds nasty. Must be all that good eatin'.

Wish I could see you run at Maxton, please have someone take video that you can post. And when you do run, be safe !

The Baddest Muscle Car Ever! - they got that one right.
I'm not in denial..I am absolutely full of it..but the good thing is, it don't stink..(if you're a fly that is)..We probably will mount a camera in the car..Hot Rod TV is going to cover Maxton too. We plan on being safe..Thanks for the concern and encouragement. Old Farts like me get colon cancer..They can catch pre cancer Pollups and prevent cancer. Alan needs me until he can transition onto Doug's tit. :seizure:

[Bob Johnson]

I finally read this whole thing and realized you are going to dyno 30 min from my house. I'd love to be a fly on the wall, have you rescheduled?

Other thing I learned from 20 plus pages is that the Cheetah and Gold Club are closed, is that for real? Its been a while since I was in Atlanta.
Don't know which day..probably next Thursday or Friday..We'll keep you guys posted.

[Bob Johnson]

Since they screwed me around on my Camaro and The Cuda, I don't want to give them free press. It's a high end seat, not out of a production car. We had Paul Atkins modify them. I don't like my seats to stick up any higher than the top of the door panel. Not too big on head rests either unless the car originally had them and they fit the look I'm after. The head guy of the company sales dept. didn't even recognize them as being his seats. Paul is tops in his trade if you ask me.

[1970cuda]

i know that it has probably been covered but what type of seats are those?

[Bob Johnson]

Just got the mag yesterday. Coverage is awesome. I've been following the build here but I'm still in awe. I don't quite understand the Eagle rods, but the car is no doubt the Baddest Musclecar Ever!!!! Congrats

I take it this beast will be at Goodguys Columbus?
Indy Cylinder Head is a big Eagle Rod Fan..They have had great success with them. They were in charge of the whole engine project.. The only thing I questioned was them not coating the pistons. They don't generally coat pistons in their engines, but they build primarily drag engines. I knew I was going to be a little over the line with 12 to 1 compression..(even though it turned out only to be 11.5 to 1), so I wanted the pistons coated for detonation protection. Everything else was done as Indy desired. They were also not big on fuel injection at that point, so we had to use a carb and intake for the initial dyno run. They are warming up to injection more now. BTW, I think I saw several guys in the Engine Masters Challenge that were running Eagle Rods. It is definately our plan to be at Columbus. Carlilse is having the all Mopar show and wants the Cuda bad. Be a whole lot more lucrative to take it to Carlilse, but I have been close but no cigar in Goodguys Truck, Street machine, Street Rod of the year and Americas Most Beautiful Street Rod of year etc. In the finals on all, but never won..That's why this car is so over the top.

[Bob Johnson]

Doug id love to take a long look at the cuda. WHEN i see it. which will probably be sometime in the next 3 months im hoping. but i should have seen it yesterday
Papa Doug says if you'd been hitting the books harder, you would have been here. hit those books young man. Can't build a solid house without a good foundation. Your education and the knowledge gained is the foundation for your house (your adult life). Little sacrifice now pays dividends for years to come..Your pappy knows his stuff..follow his advice and you will not go wrong.

[syborg tt]

i am also an eagle rod fan

[Bill Howell]

Alan needs me until he can transition onto Doug's tit. :seizure:


Damn if I would take that Alan. He knows we can keep him on life support for quite a while, don't let him off that easy...... :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Bob Johnson]

Alan, Wesley (Alan's Father), and Doug came over yesterday. Doug bought the 37 Slant Back Ford I had sold Lamar Lewellen a couple of years ago. They came up to see my and Miltons places, then we went to the World of Wheels. Alan brought THE magazine with him. I ain't talkin Playboy or Hustler, I'm talkin APRIL 2006 PHR baby. I just hope it sells better than last months issue..I'll never hear the end of it from that Tennessee Hillybilly Impersonator we all love and admire if it doesn't. Took them to the Varsity before we went to the car show. Got them some Chili Dogs, Glorifieds, Fries, Onion Rings, and Dougey a CHICKEN SALAD SANDWICH. I said damn man that's sacrilegious. Yam Dankees..Frank Gordy rolled over in his frikken grave...someone coming into the Varsity and doesn't eat a hot dog. No one could believe the stack of raw onions they give you for your hot dogs. I'll bet they've wasted a million tons of onions in that place in the 60+ years they've been around. Take that glorified, put about 5 or so fried onion rings on that puppy, compress it enough to get it in your pie hole and VIOLA..MAGIC..Look at page 37..The Phuk wad with the two heads..that's me..guess who didn't stand still like Hunkins ordered..I can't help it if I'm antsy..but to give me two heads..one's bad enough to look at..I could use the extra brain power though. Chris, Alan, Johnsons Hot Rod Shop, and myself want to thank Johnny Hunkins for coming over here when he was sick as a dog and working his tail off in the freezing cold..You too Stephen Kim..you were a trooper too..Your editorial was killer..even though I had to get out the FUNK And WANGELS to understand some of those high falootin words you were usin.

[Bob Johnson]

Let's just say they're Paul Atkins seats. He made them look the way they look. I'm not giving these guys any coverage since they haven't done anything they told me they were going to do

[Bill Howell]

... I'm talkin APRIL 2006 PHR baby. I just hope it sells better than last months issue..I'll never hear the end of it from that Tennessee Hillybilly Impersonator we all love and admire if it doesn't...


Remember, per dollar spent, you will have to sell about 8 times as many as last month, or I still beat you..... :lol:

[Bob Johnson]

Remember, per dollar spent, you will have to sell about 8 times as many as last month, or I still beat you..... :lol:
As the black street player said to the highly educated Ivy League Black Young Man..yeah.. but can you whip my a*s?

[speedster]

I don't know Bob, in that picture on page 53 I thought you were peeing on the front tire, but you kept a good poker face...

[1970cuda]

new phrasing...what type of seats are those before paul adkins did what he did to them. i like the lower back with harness coming thru them

[F70t/a]

They look like recaro seats that have been modified, but could be wrong.

[1970cuda]

that is what i think too but i want to make sure and if so what model before modification

[Bob Johnson]

I don't know Bob, in that picture on page 53 I thought you were peeing on the front tire, but you kept a good poker face...
me and ol R Kelley..markin my territory

[Bob Johnson]

new phrasing...what type of seats are those before paul adkins did what he did to them. i like the lower back with harness coming thru them
Paul did that..not the manufacturer

[Bob Johnson]

They look like recaro seats that have been modified, but could be wrong.
You been eatin rabbit pills? Now you'se a gittin smart

[Bob Johnson]

I was at the World of Wheels Car Show this week-end. I saw a stand set up that said "COOTER SIGNING AUTOGRAPHS 5-9PM"..I said now why didn't somebody tell me I was supposed to be here signing autographs..Damn I thought I was somebody.. I got up there and sat down...few minutes later this red neck walks up and told me to get up..I said why..he said I'm COOTER..I said so am I. He said I was an imitator/impersonator..Now I know how The REAL feels. I was a celebrity for a moment..felt pretty good..till the fat, ugly, snaggle tooth biatches wanted a kiss..

[Bill Howell]

I was at the World of Wheels Car Show this week-end. I saw a stand set up that said "COOTER SIGNING AUTOGRAPHS 5-9PM"..I said now why didn't somebody tell me I was supposed to be here signing autographs..Damn I thought I was somebody.. I got up there and sat down...few minutes later this red neck walks up and told me to get up..I said why..he said I'm COOTER..I said so am I. He said I was an imitator/impersonator..Now I know how The REAL feels. I was a celebrity for a moment..felt pretty good..till the fat, ugly, snaggle tooth biatches wanted a kiss..

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[69rs]

So many Cooters, so little time.........

[Bob Johnson]

Man that little red neck has a real following..he had a line the whole time..you know what has 36 teeth,24 arms 24 legs..12 people in line to get Cooters autograph..

[Bill Howell]

..you know what has 36 teeth,12 arms,12 legs...

My guess was the night shift at Waffle House

[Bill Howell]

Man that little red neck has a real following..he had a line the whole time..you know what has 36 teeth,24 arms 24 legs..12 people in line to get Cooters autograph..

And just think, You are the "Real Cooter", which in your own interpretation of poor "Real Bob Johnson", is just an imposter, so, now how you feel? Look what you have to look forward too in your retirement years..... :rotfl:

[Bob Johnson]

And just think, You are the "Real Cooter", which in your own interpretation of poor "Real Bob Johnson", is just an imposter, so, now how you feel? Look what you have to look forward too in your retirement years..... :rotfl:
Goldberg is getting upwards of $20K for a 4 or 5 hour autograph session. Hey, I can handle that..don't know what Cooter gets..make me famous and I'm in...I've been asked about 10 times for an autograph..I felt like paying them..I always think one of my friends is putting someone up to it so I don't know how to act...kinda wonder why anyone would impersonate Cooter or me

[Bob Johnson]

or the front row of a Willie Nelson concert. I'll post a joke about him on that joke thread..it's funny

[Bob Johnson]

Guy at The Silver State Classic called me back after I had complained about normally aspirated cars not being able to run nitrous..They talked with Baer Brakes and now will allow nitrous in the unlimited class in the Big Red Challenge..0-200-0

This will level the playing field with the turbo and blower cars. They will not run 0-200-0 in May..just a one mile acceleration test..braking not included..they will have a 0-100-0 in May. In Sept they will have the 0-200-0.

[Steve1968LS2]

Guy at The Silver State Classic called me back after I had complained about normally aspirated cars not being able to run nitrous..They talked with Baer Brakes and now will allow nitrous in the unlimited class in the Big Red Challenge..0-200-0

This will level the playing field with the turbo and blower cars. They will not run 0-200-0 in May..just a one mile acceleration test..braking not included..they will have a 0-100-0 in May. In Sept they will have the 0-200-0.

The problem with this competition is that they run it at 7000 feet elevation.. with the correction factor last year it was almost 9000 FEET!!!

Gonna be hard for any car, especially NA cars to run 200mph in a mile. Big Red didn't even hit 200 and it has a ****load of horsepower.. In fact nobody hit 200 in the alloted space.

How big a shot are you running!

[Bob Johnson]

she's direct port.. we're setting it up with 2 stages..It's a NOS system and has a controller that we can bring it in how we want, up to 10 seconds per stage.. We're doing 300 h.p. at first..but out there we could put in a bigger pill. I think it was about 6700 ft. or so and corrected about 7400 ft. I've never heard nearly 9,000 ft. Big Red did it normally aspirated..He finally did about 185 or so but not in the time alloted. The K%N Viper hit 185 or so too and in the alloted time. But Big Red stopped much faster than the Viper. We'll see how the Cuda does at Maxton..it's 1 mile..not a good surface at all..but much better altitude.
We'll probably have some teething pains..hopefully we'll be able to sort them out

[Rick Dorion]

Bob, any chance of onboard filming during your run(s) for our viewing pleasure?

[Bob Johnson]

Bob, any chance of onboard filming during your run(s) for our viewing pleasure?
we're talking about putting in a Camera..I'm going to be real green in that car. I don't know if I'll have over a few hours in it by then..

[MarkM66]

The problem with this competition is that they run it at 7000 feet elevation.. with the correction factor last year it was almost 9000 FEET!!!

Gonna be hard for any car, especially NA cars to run 200mph in a mile. Big Red didn't even hit 200 and it has a ****load of horsepower.. In fact nobody hit 200 in the alloted space.

How big a shot are you running!

I compared the power ratings as stated in Hot Rod on the Big Red 540 build, to Bob Johnsons Hemi build in PHR. HP were very close, but the Hemi had about 100 more ft. lb. of torque. That and I would assume lighter weight and better aero, along with the 300hp shot of nitrous, 200 shouldn't be a problem, :worship: .

I think Big Red did upper 180's last year.

[Bob Johnson]

I was surprised to see Big Red was running a 4 speed if I remember correctly..Hard to get an acceleration/or top end gear to work real good with only a 4 speeds in my opinion..You can do it with an overdrive 4th but the drop in RPM somewhere in the 3 shifts is going to sting you..Obviously the Gotleibs have their sh*t together but that surprises me). We can raise the pill size in the nitrous and get more..but this motor wasn't built for a big shot of nitrous. We can gradually bring it in (up to 10 seconds)with the NOS controller that Holley/NOS furnished with the kit. It's also 2 stages to boot. This should minimize the shock on the motor. We shouldn't have to bring it in until well into 5th gear anyway. I would think we also have better weight distribution than Big Red.. I would be pleased if the Cuda made anywhere as big a splash on this hobby as Big Red. I was absolutely in awe when I read about them in the early 90's..Cool guys to say the least.

[Bob Johnson]

Had to change the Monday date for the Dyno Pull.. forgot the previous commitment to Center Force for a commercial shooting in Nashville..

[Bob Johnson]

I'm here at Alans..We have the Cuda ready..going to drive it in a few minutes..Sounds great..the 3.5 chambered exhaust are cool sounding..not that tinny raspy sound you getr from some mufflers. Alan plans to video the dyno pull later this week when we do it. Got the new door panels/window combination pieces he's made for the Cuda to use when we run it. No way to secure the glass on a hard top car and keep it clean looking..we'll just roll the windows down, take the door panels off and replace the door panels with the aluminum door panel/glass/with 1/4 " tubing frame work on the glass.. 1 piece combo unit..New bolt in supplemental roll cage is fabricated with the head restraint/seat attachments fabbed in...for use when Cuda competes.

[Steve1968LS2]

For those in love with this car.. we just put the downloadable wallpaper online..

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/freestuff/

(it's at the bottom of the page)

[Bob Johnson]

drove the Cuda..The program we have isn't working well..We looked at the fuel delivery on the computer and it was up and down continuously and very quickly..wasn't accepting the throttle very well. It rode magnificent..smooth as glass..it rode over bumps like a Mercedes..Very solid and tight..sounds great..Alan is going to try and get a better program from Fast where we can put some more miles on it..Sounds great..looks even better going down the road. got to adjust the shifter some more..2nd gear was hard to get..reverse a little tough..everything else worked great. The Center Force LM aluminum twin disc set up is smooth as glass..light pedal feel..no chatter..smooth engaging..

[Bob Johnson]

I compared the power ratings as stated in Hot Rod on the Big Red 540 build, to Bob Johnsons Hemi build in PHR. HP were very close, but the Hemi had about 100 more ft. lb. of torque. That and I would assume lighter weight and better aero, along with the 300hp shot of nitrous, 200 shouldn't be a problem, :worship: .

I think Big Red did upper 180's last year.
Those last few MPH are tough to get..187 to 200 is like light years away..doesn't sound like much until you try and do it. I didn't realize it but Doug Dwyer who handles the PR, and advertising for CenterForce also does the Same for Silver State. He is very active in Silver State. I was complaining to him about them not running the 0-200-0 in May. The temperature should be better in May than in Sept. Last year in Sept. it was in the 90's. That doesn't do the adjusted altitude numbers any good. getting into the 8,000 and 9,000 ft. adjusted numbers on altitude make it difficult to make any horsepower. They didn't have many participants last year. That's why they dropped it to 0-100-0..no one made the 200 so I guess they think it's too much. The Cuda should run 200 at Maxton..not sure the first time out, but it should be able to do it with a correct set-up. Nasty bumpy surface makes it difficult. We need to look into Moultrie..Get the Borens to pull some of their clout down there..or the entrance to Talladega..

[Bob Johnson]

Thursday we took the Cuda to Youngs Performance in Decatur, Ala. to chassis dyno the Cuda. Took awhile to work thru the newly released software and the edis distributorless setup on the Cuda. They were able to get it better but we kept running into a problem that was diagnosed as one of the LS1 coils interfering with the FAST computer. Trying to make the motor pretty and hiding those ugly coil paks made this possible. Much easier and more effecient to put those babies right on the valve cover just over the corresponding cylinder they're firing...but they sure are ugly.. We couldn't get down to a hard pull since the timing was jumping all over the place. We took it back to the shop and worked on it moving the 4 coils that were located on the left side with the computer. We found the offending coil and now it's running pretty good considering it hasn't been fine tuned. They should be going back the first of next week. I'm going to Detroit this week-end so I don't know if I will make the second dyno pull..The car sounds fantastic..Drives marvelous..smooth as can be. Alan is taking the video camera so we should have some good video of the next pull (unless it makes puny power..then we'll have to fake something)

[Bill Howell]

Call me when you get here, cooter.
I took this picture just for you today.

[F70t/a]

Thanks for the updates Bob!!! :twothumbs

[Bob Johnson]

Call me when you get here, cooter.
I took this picture just for you today.
damn, ol Cooter is looking pretty rough in that picture..This autograph signing stuff is working on him..I want to see if he has as big a following up there as he did down here. Goldberg is supposed to be up there Sunday too.

[Bill Howell]

Is this your new top secret project?

I am not sure how you are going to turn the front wheels. :)

[Doug Cooper]

Is this your new top secret project?

I am not sure how you are going to turn the front wheels. :)

You don't, you steer it with a rudder!

Bill, nice to meet you in Detroit, Doug.

[Bill Howell]

So you liked that one too, Doug? lol
It was a pleasure meeting you also, I do however have a new found pity for you. Not only do you have to put up with the Ga. Redneck, but, man, I feel sorry for your billfold feeding the twins. I am sure it takes quite a hit every week.....lol
No, great group I met Saturday, this is what the hobby is about, getting to know the other gear heads. See you again soon.

[Steve Chryssos]

THIS thread again? It's like hepatitis C.

[Bob Johnson]

So you liked that one too, Doug? lol
It was a pleasure meeting you also, I do however have a new found pity for you. Not only do you have to put up with the Ga. Redneck, but, man, I feel sorry for your billfold feeding the twins. I am sure it takes quite a hit every week.....lol
No, great group I met Saturday, this is what the hobby is about, getting to know the other gear heads. See you again soon.
pretty cheap feeding them..eat a lot but it's only pizza/hamburgers/fries/chicken fingers..putting something good in front of them is like Kryptonite to Superman..as far as that goofy car with the enclosed wheels..who would drive that POS?? It's amazing to me the stuff some of these guys build..lots of money spent to get absolutely nothing..great meeting you and Trapin..you were right..the SN 65 guys did a very nice job..I was impressed..

[KILLER06MUSTANG]

i dont eat hamburgers bob, hot dog's sure hamburger's no

[Bob Johnson]

i dont eat hamburgers bob, hot dog's sure hamburger's no
so when you go to Burger King it isn't for the Whopper..it's only for chicken fingers and fries?? How about your brother..no hamburgers? Anything would be better than that pizza we had in Detroit..worst pizza I ever had..including frozen ones I've eaten..Greek Salad sucked too..bread sticks were horrible..That was supposed to be a great pizza place..maybe their deep dish was good..that's what they're known for..I'll never go back to find out..get me once,,,,shame on you...get me twice,,,,shame on me..

[Bill Howell]

THIS thread again? It's like hepatitis C.


:lol: :lol: :rotfl: :rotfl: Damn it Steve, you are killing me here. I was absolutely bent over laughing when I read that.

[Bill Howell]

....Anything would be better than that pizza we had in Detroit..worst pizza I ever had..including frozen ones I've eaten..Greek Salad sucked too..bread sticks were horrible..That was supposed to be a great pizza place..maybe their deep dish was good..that's what they're known for..I'll never go back to find out..get me once,,,,shame on you...get me twice,,,,shame on me..


Bob, why don't you share with us what you really think about the pizza place. How was the Coke???? :lmao: :lmao:

[Bob Johnson]

Bob, why don't you share with us what you really think about the pizza place. How was the Coke???? :lmao: :lmao:
only had Pepsi..ain't that a bitch..I had ginger ale..some local brew..not Red Rock and that's for sure..I can't get over the guards everywhere you went..thought I was in some third world country or something. I was looking at the property values in Detroit proper..you could move to some podunk town in Mississippi and pay more for an equal house..I wonder what's gonna happen to values there while Ford/GM continue their downward spiral..I'd be gettin out of Dodge if I lived there...

[preston]

Bob or Alan,

is there anywhere that you discussed the driveline in any detail ?

I searched all over the web for direct drive bell housings, top fuel style bellhousings and didn't find anything (except links tot eh PHR article).
I don't want to start randomly calling companies without knowing what I'm talking about.

Was it a complete custom deal getting that bearing and shaft setup int he bellhousing ? Looking at it and hearing it called a direct drive setup made me think that this part of it should actually be fairly straightforward to implement, or was it a complete custom machined setup ?

Followup question would be what did you put on the front of the transmission to mate with the drive shaft ? did you cut apart a C5 torque tub and use the front of it or what went on there ? Once again is this something that could be duplicated or was it a complete engineering and custom machining solution ?

Of course none of that is exactly cheap, but it just seemed to me that it wouldn't be that hard to duplicate and I'm really interested in it for my next project, but one fabrication area where I am weak is in shafts/custom splining/bearing drivetrain setup.

any resources for how you went about this would be much appreciated.

preston

[Bob Johnson]

Lakewood makes the direct drive type can..The main shaft and bearing came from Lenco..The main shaft has a clutch spline on one end and a driveshaft yoke type spline on the other end. Alan probably has pix of the set up. The reason we used this setup is that the drive shaft doesn't have to be as big around as the torque tube, and more importantly we don't have to drop the whole rear end cradle to do clutch replacement or maintenance. So your scattershield/can/ bell housing is on the back of the motor with the clutch inside..The mainshaft rides in a bearing in the can and goes into the clutch like a normal trans mainshaft would..the drive shaft slides over the spline on the other end of the main shaft. Then the driveshaft goes back to the T-56 trans..the back of the driveshaft female spline goes over the trans input shaft. With the smaller diameter driveshaft we were able to put 2 ea. 3 1/2" exhaust and the driveshaft in the tunnel of the car..That way we could keep the floors flat and get the car as low as we wanted.

[preston]

Thanks for the info Bob.

Do you know what you did to support the transmission input shaft ?
I assume it would need a bearing sort of like a normal transmission requires a tailhousing to support the output shaft. Looking at what little I can see in the construction photos you might have adapted the end of a corvette torque tube to provide this support ?

[Bob Johnson]

I'm almost positive that's what he did..put the torque tube end on the drive shaft..they made a piece to adapt everything..If Alan gets a break he can send you photos..that will tell the whole story..

[Steve Chryssos]

Check out Preston's car Bob.


http://www.carter-engineering.com/preston67compcoupe.htm

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2005/11/SideViewPainted-1.jpg

[Bob Johnson]

looks serious..

[KILLER06MUSTANG]

Wow look at those wheel wells. Where do I get a pair to put on my mustang?

[preston]

>Where do I get a pair to put on my mustang?

Make 'em by hand just like I did !

Entire car is scratch built in my driveway.

I may not have Bob's money, but I'm just as sick, cuz I'm already laying out the tubes for chassis #3 (After #1 and #2, I always swear I'll never build another car until I'm retired, but the monkey won't let me go).

Bob's car has re-inspired me.

Still be curious if you can talk Alan into providing any more info on how he set up the transmission interface.

[Bob Johnson]

email him [email protected] He will try to get you some pix...he's busy as hell right now..trying to get the Cuda finished up..his help has gone to Mass. to learn how to use the Yoder. Hopefully the Cuda hasn't made you crazier..I have a 66 GT 350 that belonged to Doan Spencer..it was the last car he was working on when he died. He was going to put a boss 429 in it, with a jerico 4 speed..I'm wanting to put the ol SOHC cammer motor Ford introduced in the mid 60's in it. If this Cuda will let me up for air..Where do you live?

[preston]

I'm up here in Seattle...its okay though I'm not a liberal :) People thinkn I'm crazy building cars in my driveway, and 3 months out of the year it does suck - but the rest of the time I enjoyt he fresh air and sunlight, we don't get the oppressive heat and humidity you do down there, its usually quite pleasant. Course I have to wipe the dust off stuff once a week, but I don't need a vacuum system for my grinding dust either. And yes the cuda made me a little bit crazier !

[evo69]

Awesome car Preston! Where is the Preston's Mustang thread?! Are you sticking with the same chassis style for number 3?

[Steve Chryssos]

....Where is the Preston's Mustang thread?!....

Happened many moons ago. Sadly, no magazine editor has been willing to find his way up to Seattle and grab some decent images. Photography does not seem to be Preston Peterson's forte'. By that I am referring mostly to photo quantity--not quality. I for one would love to see more pix--preferably out from under that car port.

[evo69]

Happened many moons ago. Sadly, no magazine editor has been willing to find his way up to Seattle and grab some decent images. Photography does not seem to be Preston Peterson's forte'. By that I am referring mostly to photo quantity--not quality. I for one would love to see more pix--preferably out from under that car port.

Sounds like it has been around here a lot longer than I have but without seeing it in person I think the magazines are missing the boat on this one. How may cars like this get homebuilt in the DRIVEWAY!

[Steve Chryssos]

It works like this: Editors are shipped off to car shows where they take pictures of.......? Anyone? Bueller? The correct answer is A.): "Show Cars". Then, most of them complain that the only thing being built is show cars.


File that one under Duh.

[Steve1968LS2]

It works like this: Editors are shipped off to car shows where they take pictures of.......? Anyone? Bueller? The correct answer is A.): "Show Cars". Then, most of them complain that the only thing being built is show cars.

File that one under Duh.

True and not true.. Editors are shipped off to EVENTS such as car shows, cruises, drag races and such. Unfortunatly not many PT cars show up at drag races, so we shoot what does. PHR will be at Maxton and Year One.. is year one a car show or driving event?? hmm

A few times a year an Editor might fly to a location to shoot 5-6 cars (lets say Texas) and then spread out those cars over the next half year.

Of course local cars (or those willing to meet us halfway) have it the easiest.. especially in winter.

[Steve Chryssos]

Yes, but if a non-so cal big name builder puts together a mind blowing ride, then the trigger gets pulled for an on-location shoot. So it does happen. All I'm saying is that more effort should be made on the part of publishers to seek out special cars, rather than waiting for these cars to fall into their laps. I learned that lesson when I put on a baseball mitt for the very first time: "Get under the ball". Preston Peterson's Mustang is one of those cars in my opinion. So maybe you should put out a cattle call for a bunch of cars in Seattle.

Don't take that personal. It's a bean counter problem where deadlines and budgetary concerns stifle creativity.

Confucious once say: The key to really great car magazines is really great cars.

[Steve1968LS2]

Yes, but if a non-so cal big name builder puts together a mind blowing ride, then the trigger gets pulled for an on-location shoot. So it does happen. All I'm saying is that more effort should be made on the part of publishers to seek out special cars, rather than waiting for these cars to fall into their laps. I learned that lesson when I put on a baseball mitt for the very first time: "Get under the ball". Preston Peterson's Mustang is one of those cars in my opinion. So maybe you should put out a cattle call for a bunch of cars in Seattle.

Don't take that personal. It's a bean counter problem where deadlines and budgetary concerns stifle creativity.

Confucious once say: The key to really great car magazines is really great cars.

This is true.. for a car like Bob Johnson's 'Cuda the saying "the early bird gets the worm" comes into play. The only way to justify flying out to shoot one car is if you can get a ton of ink out of it.

What's that link to those shots of Prestons car? I have a couple saved to HD but not many.

No worries Steev'o on taking it personally :)

A North West photo shoot would be cool.. when doesn't it rain up there???

[evo69]

This is true.. for a car like Bob Johnson's 'Cuda the saying "the early bird gets the worm" comes into play. The only way to justify flying out to shoot one car is if you can get a ton of ink out of it.

What's that link to those shots of Prestons car? I have a couple saved to HD but not many.

No worries Steev'o on taking it personally :)

A North West photo shoot would be cool.. when doesn't it rain up there???

Cars like Prestons are what really make this hobby/sport/profession tick....they are the backbone...looks like a good one to search out. If that thing was on the cover "Driveway Built" I can't help but think it would sell, but that is just me!

[Damn True]

Sep/Oct are your best bets in the PNW. Portland gets far more sunny days....and it has Portland International Raceway!

Cheap Southwest flight from LA too!

[Damn True]

wierd double post

delete this if'n ya want

[Steve Chryssos]

Cars like Prestons are what really make this hobby/sport/profession tick....they are the backbone...looks like a good one to search out. If that thing was on the cover "Driveway Built" I can't help but think it would sell, but that is just me!

Exactly! The driveway build is as important as the car. And many people will hate the DTM flares, but they send a clear message: That no mere Mustang body can keep that chassis from busting out. It's like Jayne Mansfield on wheels!

Formula for Success
Driveway Build + Supercar = Cover Story

[Damn True]

Rybar over on Lat-G is in Burbary, BC. Not too far from Seattle.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=3560

[preston]

Hot Rod (well, Matt King) had me "semi-scheduled" twice for a photo shoot but it didn't happen. In their defense I was always like "let's do it but I'm tearing the car apart again on this date". I coordinated one of my track days for them and everything but they were a no show. It'd be cool to get some national ink, but I made the decision a while ago that I wasn't gonna go too far out of my way for it - it doesn't validate the car for me to have it in a magazine. But it would be a cool feature not just because its another 18" wheel, twin turbo big hp muscle car, but because its really got a lot of trick stuff on it like a flat bottom with rear diffuser, Trans am style space frame and suspension, hydraboost power boost with dual M/C's, full interior - all hand built with cheap ass tools. "Well designed, crudely executed" is my motto. Anyway, this is the Cuda thread and the Cuda F'in rules !! (if those wheels will turn more than 10 degrees inside those wheel wells that is). oh yeah, chassis #3 is very similar to chassis #2 just 40 lbs lighter and with a little more foot room, and the cage is gonna be very very tight to the roofline, I even got a rusty old roof I'm using to fab the new cage.

[Damn True]

Preston, you are far too modest.

Stylistically your car is every bit as ground breaking as the Cuda. Not better or worse just different. Though my personal taste tends to prefer your particular "flava".

The fact that you built the darn thing, not in one of the best shops in the country, but in your driveway.......in Seattle ads to the chache of that car.

[evo69]

Preston, you are far too modest.

Stylistically your car is every bit as ground breaking as the Cuda. Not better or worse just different. Though my personal taste tends to prefer your particular "flava".

The fact that you built the darn thing, not in one of the best shops in the country, but in your driveway.......in Seattle ads to the chache of that car.

:worship:

[Bob Johnson]

Hot Rod (well, Matt King) had me "semi-scheduled" twice for a photo shoot but it didn't happen. In their defense I was always like "let's do it but I'm tearing the car apart again on this date". I coordinated one of my track days for them and everything but they were a no show. It'd be cool to get some national ink, but I made the decision a while ago that I wasn't gonna go too far out of my way for it - it doesn't validate the car for me to have it in a magazine. But it would be a cool feature not just because its another 18" wheel, twin turbo big hp muscle car, but because its really got a lot of trick stuff on it like a flat bottom with rear diffuser, Trans am style space frame and suspension, hydraboost power boost with dual M/C's, full interior - all hand built with cheap ass tools. "Well designed, crudely executed" is my motto. Anyway, this is the Cuda thread and the Cuda F'in rules !! (if those wheels will turn more than 10 degrees inside those wheel wells that is). oh yeah, chassis #3 is very similar to chassis #2 just 40 lbs lighter and with a little more foot room, and the cage is gonna be very very tight to the roofline, I even got a rusty old roof I'm using to fab the new cage.
Alan has adjusted the turning radius on the front end. We've picked up a lot on the right turns..and a little more to the left..turns pretty good now..we lost a lot when we put those big ol brakes on it..the caliper clearance ate a lot of our wheel offset up..It's a lot better than it was in Vegas, Orlando and when we shot the commercial in Nashville..

[Steve Chryssos]

So? Ditch the brakes. I'm sure they'll look real purty hangin on the wall in your living room. You can have them stuffed and mounted. Or leave me alone with them for a little while and I'll mount them for you.

[Steve1968LS2]

Hot Rod (well, Matt King) had me "semi-scheduled" twice for a photo shoot but it didn't happen. In their defense I was always like "let's do it but I'm tearing the car apart again on this date". I coordinated one of my track days for them and everything but they were a no show. It'd be cool to get some national ink, but I made the decision a while ago that I wasn't gonna go too far out of my way for it - it doesn't validate the car for me to have it in a magazine. But it would be a cool feature not just because its another 18" wheel, twin turbo big hp muscle car, but because its really got a lot of trick stuff on it like a flat bottom with rear diffuser, Trans am style space frame and suspension, hydraboost power boost with dual M/C's, full interior - all hand built with cheap ass tools. "Well designed, crudely executed" is my motto. Anyway, this is the Cuda thread and the Cuda F'in rules !! (if those wheels will turn more than 10 degrees inside those wheel wells that is). oh yeah, chassis #3 is very similar to chassis #2 just 40 lbs lighter and with a little more foot room, and the cage is gonna be very very tight to the roofline, I even got a rusty old roof I'm using to fab the new cage.

Shoot me a few pics to my work email at [email protected] and I will see how much influance I have.. lol

Cool car.. definetly makes a statement.. :)

[Bob Johnson]

We're getting the Cuda ready for Maxton..finally got the ignition working right..The halls effect seemed to cure the Edist distributorless system problems we were having. Our problem now is shifting the car at high RPM under full power. It doesn't want a fast shift and it isn't easy to get in the next gear. When you stop and the whole set-up is heated up it doesn't want to go into gears easily either. It seems to work easier when you first crank it up and the clutch and trans are cool. We have 5W 30 Synthetic lube in the trans. Amsoil also provided us with some 75/90 gear lube (which Viper guys run in their T 56 Trans). We're thinking of trying it to see if that might work better. We've never really gotten the trans very hot yet since we've only driven it on short bursts. Rockland built the transaxle/trans..T-56 C6 Z06 set-up. It has G-Force gears in it..It is their opionion that our problem lies in the fact we have a twin disc clutch..10.5" and we have too much inertia, due to the weight of the discs. We have a aluminum flywheel and pressure plate, and the discs and spacer aren't that heavy, especially from the hub of the clutch out. The outer extremities of the clutch is light, since the material they use is light..hubs are a little heavy but that's not that far from the center.. Now remember this is a trans axle with the driveshaft going into the clutch and going back to the trans. So we also have the inertia/weight of the driveshaft rotation going to the trans that you wouldn't have in a conventional trans set up. We are running a 3" steel driveshaft since it goes thru the tunnel with the exhaust. We wanted to run a carbon fiber one but carbon doesn't like temperature above 250 degrees F. We felt like we couldn't keep the tunnel that cool at all times even with the ceramic coating OD &ID plus exhaust wrapping to hold the heat down. We were afraid with that 3" OD tube, aluminum might not be strong enough, even though the driveshaft isn't but 2.5 ft. long or so. He's also saying that a light flywheel adds to the malady since the engine rotation is very sensitive to the throttle since it revs and drops quicker. Like to get some more opinions. This seems like BS to me. I'm going over to Alabama to drive it this week-end for really the first time since we had a throw-out problem the last time I was there. Going to be pretty goofy carrying it to Maxton with about 2 days of seat time. That's if everything goes OK. Problem with all this one off set up stuff, getting everything to work..working thru your problems. We've had to put all that safety stuff that Maxton requires..roof rails, secure the glasss, which required making new one piece door panels with lexan windows, 2 fire systems, chute, etc. Every Vendor tells you how to set everything up but it just doesn't work out that way. Love to hear your input..got to get this shifting faster.

[Steve Chryssos]

Bob,
This is the best I could come up with on short notice:

"These guys ought to get with Lou and figure out what clutch works with that power level. We swapped the clutch out on the new Z06 (ours makes 624hp and works perfectly).
That gear oil isn’t even spec for a stock T56—we just looked it up. Our Redline Oil MTL or D4 ATF is far more suited, I’d let them know that. LG Motorsports in Dallas would be a good resource for the clutch stuff.
I’ve CC:d LG on this one. Anthony, this comes from the protouring.com website. "

Contact Anthony at LG Motorsports

http://www.lgmotorsports.com

[Bob Johnson]

Bob,
This is the best I could come up with on short notice:

"These guys ought to get with Lou and figure out what clutch works with that power level. We swapped the clutch out on the new Z06 (ours makes 624hp and works perfectly).
That gear oil isn’t even spec for a stock T56—we just looked it up. Our Redline Oil MTL or D4 ATF is far more suited, I’d let them know that. LG Motorsports in Dallas would be a good resource for the clutch stuff.
I’ve CC:d LG on this one. Anthony, this comes from the protouring.com website. "

Contact Anthony at LG Motorsports

http://www.lgmotorsports.com
Thanks for the referral Steve..he was very knowledgeable..it's according to whom you speak, the T-56 trans has recommended fluid of ATF from GM to 75/90 for Vipers...thank Cameron Evans for his assistance also. anyone else with input would be appreciated. I think I know what it is but I don't want to say until I'm sure. I'm pretty sure the weight and type of our fluid is NOT our problem. We haven't run it hard enough to even get the fluid very warm..

[preston]

I usually think of shifting/rpm problems as clutch/bellhousing alignment issues. Is it sticky at all at low rpms or stationary ? You probably would have mentioned that if it was. I'm sure you have covered the basics with clutch alignment, throwout bearing engagement, etc.

I have the opposite problem - My tremec TKO + McLeod street twin clutch (dual 10.5" discs with alum flywheel) doesn;t like to go into gear when I'm stationary, but shifts fine at speed. Unaffected by heat.

I'm sure you've been hot rodding as long as I have, but my advice for what its worth - I would never take a new car with no seat time and run it at those speeds. I start my cars off with baby steps - street time, autocross, open track, and work my way up slowly on the track. I ALWAYS uncover lots of little problems and things to solve, I think you're pushing your luck to take that thing to a big event right now.

[ProStreet R/T]

Have you tryed calling tremec or gforce? I know we do run 75/90 in the vipers as you said, but don't be mistaken. While they share the same name (t56) they (the viper trans vs Z06 transaxle) have very little in common internally. With the torque of that hemi i'm shocked you decided to run that corvette trans. I would plan on having a couple spares around, they don't take big power very well what so ever.

Hope you get it figured out in time, judgement day with the vipers is coming up soon. :enguard:

[Bob Johnson]

I usually think of shifting/rpm problems as clutch/bellhousing alignment issues. Is it sticky at all at low rpms or stationary ? You probably would have mentioned that if it was. I'm sure you have covered the basics with clutch alignment, throwout bearing engagement, etc.

I have the opposite problem - My tremec TKO + McLeod street twin clutch (dual 10.5" discs with alum flywheel) doesn;t like to go into gear when I'm stationary, but shifts fine at speed. Unaffected by heat.

I'm sure you've been hot rodding as long as I have, but my advice for what its worth - I would never take a new car with no seat time and run it at those speeds. I start my cars off with baby steps - street time, autocross, open track, and work my way up slowly on the track. I ALWAYS uncover lots of little problems and things to solve, I think you're pushing your luck to take that thing to a big event right now.
You're very wise and correct. We are rushing this car. We have checked the scattershield alignment, and the throwout bearing engagement. We have the t/o bearing releasing about .150K more than they require for release. I didn't get to drive it cold but at speed, it just doesn't have the shift feel that you want..where you can feel gear engagement. Alan flogged on it Friday for awhile. Then he made several passes Sat Morning, adjusting tire pressure, setting the rear ride height and camber, etc.. Then I started driving it very hard for the first time. I made sabout 6 passes...felt the motor trying to bind I thought, so I shut it off. I told Alan and crew I thought I had galded a bearing or something. They cranked it for a second..they thought it was a rocker..Pulled the Valve covers and nothing was wrong. Took it back to the shop, pulled the dry sump pan and you could see the rods ends had been scortched. We won't make Maxton. Alan was wanting to rush it to Indy and get it back and try and make it. I told him we were moving too quickly. We need more time in this car..We need to do exactly like what you said. This trans might loosen up with a little more time. The clutch feels fine..whether it is not releasing, which I think it is releasing, whether it has too much inertia/weight..I don't know about that. I need to drive it cold and shift normally w/o power and make a conclusion. One off things require a lot of thrashing. By the way, as far as what your advice is worth..It's worth a lot..

[Bob Johnson]

Have you tryed calling tremec or gforce? I know we do run 75/90 in the vipers as you said, but don't be mistaken. While they share the same name (t56) they (the viper trans vs Z06 transaxle) have very little in common internally. With the torque of that hemi i'm shocked you decided to run that corvette trans. I would plan on having a couple spares around, they don't take big power very well what so ever.

Hope you get it figured out in time, judgement day with the vipers is coming up soon. :enguard:
I've been dealing with Rockland Gear since they built the trans. But I think I will call Tremec and G Force...We have G Force gears in the tranny. They say this trans/rear set up is good for 1,000 hp. I guess that's for us to find out. I do plan a spare trans and rear. I sent mine up there to get set up.

[ProdigyCustoms]

I would be looking at the steel shaft, inertia is exactly what I am thinking. Sorry you are going to miss the show, the boys and I were breaking our our cheerleading outfits and headed that way.

[JayR]

Hey Bob/Alan Who made the curved glass on the car? I was trying to find it in this thread but started to get carpal tunnel from scrolling.....
Thanks in advance!
Jason Rushforth

[Steve1968LS2]

I would be looking at the steel shaft, inertia is exactly what I am thinking. Sorry you are going to miss the show, the boys and I were breaking our our cheerleading outfits and headed that way.

Hey Frank.. you gonna be at Maxton?? Bringing out any cool cars?


Bob, sorry to hear about the engine troubles and that you will miss Maxton.. I know you will eventually get it all sorted out.

[Bob Johnson]

I would be looking at the steel shaft, inertia is exactly what I am thinking. Sorry you are going to miss the show, the boys and I were breaking our our cheerleading outfits and headed that way.
maybe..it's only 2.5 ft. long..3"diameter..we were wanting carbon fiber..but for heat reasons we couldn't. I don't know if 3' dia. aluminum will stand the strain

[Bob Johnson]

Hey Bob/Alan Who made the curved glass on the car? I was trying to find it in this thread but started to get carpal tunnel from scrolling.....
Thanks in advance!
Jason Rushforth
rear and side glass is coated Lexan..from Shields..do a lot of Nascar stuff. rear is bigger than stock..not really curved any more to speak of..sides are probably curved a little more to meet the roof that has been lowered by the front and rear pillars being angled in a little

[Bob Johnson]

I would be looking at the steel shaft, inertia is exactly what I am thinking. Sorry you are going to miss the show, the boys and I were breaking our our cheerleading outfits and headed that way.
I guess I need to weigh a stock torque tube and see how the weight compares..but remember that my shaft is a lot smaller in diameter and we both know that the smaller diameter will react differently than a larger diameter..They say that the Exidy small diameter clutch has a lot less inertia and they say I will be able to shift it then. I couldn't feel the clutch not trying to release..I just haven't had enough seat time to get a feel for it yet. We didn't RIM the trans gears like we did the rear end..Since this was the first time Rockland had used the G Force gear set, they didn't want to RIM them until we tried it out first..I'm feeling like a guinea pig with all this new untested one off stuff I'm running everywhere..

[Bob Johnson]

I would be looking at the steel shaft, inertia is exactly what I am thinking. Sorry you are going to miss the show, the boys and I were breaking our our cheerleading outfits and headed that way.
I really appreciate your support..sorry I'm not going to make it..I don't like breaking my commitments..I'm very disappointed to say the least..got to learn from this..Gonna flow the intake and see what's going on..We are definitely getting more air to the front cylinder..it diminishes each cylinder as we go back..We had the correct overall air/fuel ratio..but obviously the front ones were too lean and the back one was fat..at least we didn't seize it completely and blow the engine, spewing oil everywhere and putting the Cuda on the roof with all that cross wind we had out there.

[Bob Johnson]

I need to get the Cuda engine from Gadsden Ala, to Indianapolis Indiana..any ideas?

[ProdigyCustoms]

I use a company called Forward Air, http://forwardair.com/ It is a depot to depot service that is based out of major airports. Reasonable and fast. But I have no idea what Gadsden is near

[Steve Chryssos]

Call Connie

http://www.kalittaair.com/

[syborg tt]

I need to get the Cuda engine from Gadsden Ala, to Indianapolis Indiana..any ideas?

I can make a couple suggestions as i have shipped at least 10 engines in the past 3 years.

Your best bet is to get a metal Engine Dolly or make a metal engine dolly and then secure it to a heavy duty wooden Pallet.

Once it's secured to the pallet you build a Plywood box around the engine so no one know's what's in there. Don't be afraid to use good wood either. You goal is to protect the engine.

You also want to put a sacrificial corrugated carton on the top of the pallet to prevent the shipping guy's from placing another pallet on top of your skid as crushing it. I can also send you "Do Not Double Stack Labels" to put on the pallet.

I have some really good pictures of a lotus body that was crushed in transportation from some idiot putting a heavy pallet on the crate.

Fed Ex Freight would be the common Carrier of Choice since they are one of the largest and most reliable (est 200.00).

You must tell them that you want it insured for full value and it is a new engine 'Not Used". You will also need proper bill of lading & packing list stating the contents of the engine and pallet. I can create one for you if you like.

Your other option is to call a private car Hauler (open trailer guy's) and have them haul it for you and they usually only charge loaded miles.This may seem a little safer in the end as you know the guy is going straight there with your engine.

shoot me an e-mail if you need my help

[email protected]

[Bob Johnson]

I can make a couple suggestions as i have shipped at least 10 engines in the past 3 years.

Your best bet is to get a metal Engine Dolly or make a metal engine dolly and then secure it to a heavy duty wooden Pallet.

Once it's secured to the pallet you build a Plywood box around the engine so no one know's what's in there. Don't be afraid to use good wood either. You goal is to protect the engine.

You also want to put a sacrificial corrugated carton on the top of the pallet to prevent the shipping guy's from placing another pallet on top of your skid as crushing it. I can also send you "Do Not Double Stack Labels" to put on the pallet.

I have some really good pictures of a lotus body that was crushed in transportation from some idiot putting a heavy pallet on the crate.

Fed Ex Freight would be the common Carrier of Choice since they are one of the largest and most reliable (est 200.00).

You must tell them that you want it insured for full value and it is a new engine 'Not Used". You will also need proper bill of lading & packing list stating the contents of the engine and pallet. I can create one for you if you like.

Your other option is to call a private car Hauler (open trailer guy's) and have them haul it for you and they usually only charge loaded miles.This may seem a little safer in the end as you know the guy is going straight there with your engine.

shoot me an e-mail if you need my help

[email protected]
thanks...

[Bob Johnson]

We're diagnosing what went wrong with the Cuda engine. It is our theory that the volume of air in the plenums and runners is not suffecient to supply a motor this big. Our first 2 cylinders were lean..they got progressively richer as they came back to the rear 2 cylinders which were rich. The overall fuel air mixture was set when we dynoed it, but this didn't allow for each cylinder and discrepancies like we had among each cylinder. We theorize the first cylinders were getting more air and robbing the subsequent cylinders of air until the last cylinders were rich from lack of air. The overlean cylinders were detonating early in the stroke and hammered the bottom end..rods and inserts..It's a silent type of detonation..We knew our power was off when we did the chassis dyno. We were trying to get the uncorrected raw numbers from Indy(they engine dynoed it with carb, intake, distributor MSD etc) to try to figure out where our problem was, but we found out the hard way. Anyone got an EDUCATED opinion on how much volume you need in your plenum/runner system as compared to your cubic inches..in a normally aspirated motor. We felt that it was insuffecient when we got the intake but were assured it was enough volume to handle our engine..We have 314 cu in of volume in the intake tracts for a 572 in. engine.. I know what you read, but I would like real world knowledge. We had 2 ea. 90MM throttle bodies which is more than enough.. I love one off unproven stuff..

[JayR]

rear and side glass is coated Lexan..from Shields..do a lot of Nascar stuff. rear is bigger than stock..not really curved any more to speak of..sides are probably curved a little more to meet the roof that has been lowered by the front and rear pillars being angled in a little

Thanks Bob!
Sorry for your engine woes. If it was easy, everyone would do it. Keep doing what you guys are doing and it will rock very soon.

[Steve Chryssos]

........Anyone got an EDUCATED opinion on how much volume you need in your plenum/runner system as compared to your cubic inches..in a normally aspirated motor........

EDUCATED


I love that. Yeah call John Meaney.

http://www.bigstuff3.com/

[ProdigyCustoms]

Bob, Based on pictures, it would seem you have plenty of volume. Is that thing on a crank trigger? If it is a XFI on a crank trigger, you can set it up to tune it sequential. You can tune each cylinder individually regardless of the erratic flow. Fatten lean cylinders, lean out rich cylinders. It may not be as much plenum design as tuner limitations. I don't pretend to be able to do it myself, but I have the best FAST tuner in the country available when you get it back together. If you would like to talk to him, and I think you should, let me know and I get you two in contact.

[REAL Bob Johnson]

I've got a spare 738cu. with 4 NOS systems that will get that slug moving Call me @BR549

[rocketman]

Bob, Based on pictures, it would seem you have plenty of volume. Is that thing on a crank trigger? If it is a XFI on a crank trigger, you can set it up to tune it sequential. You can tune each cylinder individually regardless of the erratic flow. Fatten lean cylinders, lean out rich cylinders. It may not be as much plenum design as tuner limitations. I don't pretend to be able to do it myself, but I have the best FAST tuner in the country available when you get it back together. If you would like to talk to him, and I think you should, let me know and I get you two in contact.

bob,i ran a simialer intake set-up on my 632,i had to tune each cylinder itself,with the fast system,i've been thinking about your post.and i agree with the detenation,luckily i never burned one up on fuel mixture,was always on the nos.what size injectors are in it.

[Bob Johnson]

I've got a spare 738cu. with 4 NOS systems that will get that slug moving Call me @BR549
I've got a stiff rod that'll get in your as* and get your bowels moving you west side residing imitator..lol you've got your hands full getting that POS Camaro running..lol

[Bob Johnson]

Bob, Based on pictures, it would seem you have plenty of volume. Is that thing on a crank trigger? If it is a XFI on a crank trigger, you can set it up to tune it sequential. You can tune each cylinder individually regardless of the erratic flow. Fatten lean cylinders, lean out rich cylinders. It may not be as much plenum design as tuner limitations. I don't pretend to be able to do it myself, but I have the best FAST tuner in the country available when you get it back together. If you would like to talk to him, and I think you should, let me know and I get you two in contact.
Yes it is on a crank trigger..Yes we can tune each cylinder..The guys at Young's can do that..But my problem with that is air and gas is horsepower. Why would I go to these lengths then tune each cylinder when #1 is getting more air/fuel than #8.. The front cylinders will be making more horsepower than the second row/than the third row than the fourth row..It's a bandaid cure ..It will keep the motor alive but it is not the right way to do it in my opinion. I want equal air and fuel to each cylinder..We will be tuning each cylinder anyway this time. First time shame on them, second time, shame on me. (I'm not referring to Young's in the them) I just don't see an intake with half the volume of the engine being big enough to handle the task in a normally aspirated engine.

[Bob Johnson]

EDUCATED


I love that. Yeah call John Meaney.

http://www.bigstuff3.com/
Yeah I know Meaney is "the man" on the computer end of it. He's especially the man on the turbo assisted cars. I guess I'll get in touch with Wilson and get their opinion

[Bob Johnson]

I've got a spare 738cu. with 4 NOS systems that will get that slug moving Call me @BR549
Hell if I can screw up a 572 normally aspirated engine, what would I do with that monster?..I'd be like you at Memphis a few years back..burn it down just idling..lol.. call me anything, just don't call me daddy...

[Steve Chryssos]

.....I guess I'll get in touch with Wilson and get their opinion...

That's an even better idea. I've toured that shop (what they'd let me see anyway). Those guys do things with aluminum that should be classified as wizardry. Carl Foltz is another good choice.

http://www.cferacing.com/

[syborg tt]

We have similar problems with our little v6 engines. Katech in detroit does a bunch of work evening out the flow to each cylnder

I also agree that these guy's are the best

http://www.cferacing.com/

[Bob Johnson]

We have similar problems with our little v6 engines. Katech in detroit does a bunch of work evening out the flow to each cylnder

I also agree that these guy's are the best

http://www.cferacing.com/
I bought a 1989 Trans Am turbo V/6 new in 89..Ruggles built 5 engines for it..blew 2 of them up on the dyno..I blew the other 3..it's been parked for 7 years or so..waiting to get him to put it back together..he's been a good friend,,lol..700 h.p. with the original heads is too much for that puppy..ported, pinned etc. He threw away tons of stuff when he shut his shop down..lots of all aluminum Indy stuff..experimental stuff..scrapped a lot of it for aluminum value..

[Steve Chryssos]

....Once it's secured to the pallet you build a Plywood box around the engine so no one know's what's in there. Don't be afraid to use good wood either. You goal is to protect the engine.

You also want to put a sacrificial corrugated carton on the top of the pallet to prevent the shipping guy's from placing another pallet on top of your skid as crushing it. I can also send you "Do Not Double Stack Labels" to put on the pallet.
......

Scribner makes cases that save a ton of time and energy.

http://www.scribnerplastics.com/

[syborg tt]

I bought a 1989 Trans Am turbo V/6 new in 89..Ruggles built 5 engines for it..blew 2 of them up on the dyno..I blew the other 3..it's been parked for 7 years or so..waiting to get him to put it back together..he's been a good friend,,lol..700 h.p. with the original heads is too much for that puppy..ported, pinned etc. He threw away tons of stuff when he shut his shop down..lots of all aluminum Indy stuff..experimental stuff..scrapped a lot of it for aluminum value..

Ah a good old PAS Vehicle. If you want copie's of the build documents of your car - shoot me the last 4 digits of your vin and i'll get you copies.

[coony]

Are you guys running a vacuum pump? pics of intake? how well are the cylinders in question sealing? compression checks? EGT's on exhaust?

[Bill Howell]

I bought a 1989 Trans Am turbo V/6 new in 89..Ruggles built 5 engines for it..blew 2 of them up on the dyno..I blew the other 3..it's been parked for 7 years or so..waiting to get him to put it back together..he's been a good friend,,lol..700 h.p. with the original heads is too much for that puppy..ported, pinned etc. He threw away tons of stuff when he shut his shop down..lots of all aluminum Indy stuff..experimental stuff..scrapped a lot of it for aluminum value..

You want to sell this one? I know you may need some cash to build another motor, and I have been looking for one of these.:naughty:

[ProStreet R/T]

A safe starting place is to have the intake manifold volume equal to the CI of the engine.

Can you post pics of the intake manifold? It very well could be a design flaw more than volume issues.

Sequential cylinder tuning is great IF you have a pyrometer in each header tube so you know what each cylinder is doing. W/O that it's totally useless, and in most cases overkill anyway.

Have you measured the plenum volume on your current manifold?

[Bob Johnson]

A safe starting place is to have the intake manifold volume equal to the CI of the engine.

Can you post pics of the intake manifold? It very well could be a design flaw more than volume issues.

Sequential cylinder tuning is great IF you have a pyrometer in each header tube so you know what each cylinder is doing. W/O that it's totally useless, and in most cases overkill anyway.

Have you measured the plenum volume on your current manifold?
Alan measured it..It was like 320 cu in or so...not near the volume of the engine. We have now put pyrometers in the exhaust headers..Alan has posted pix of the manifold on here somewhere I think. I'll try to get him to do it again...He's covered up right now..

[Bob Johnson]

You want to sell this one? I know you may need some cash to build another motor, and I have been looking for one of these.:naughty:
come over at the experience and look at it. Will your big tuckus fit in it?

[Bob Johnson]

Are you guys running a vacuum pump? pics of intake? how well are the cylinders in question sealing? compression checks? EGT's on exhaust?
It is a dry sump engine so they didn't think we needed the vacuum pump. I asked about it when we were doing it and they said it wasn 't necessary with this setup. We had just run the car on the dyno and this was only the 2nd time we'd had it out at the airstrip. We hadn't even checked leakdown or compression yet. Pretty dumb considering we were over 150 hp down from the carb setup. We'll smarten up this time I hope..my pocketbook can't stand another snafu like this..

[coony]

yes, leakdown and compression first, intake manifold theory sounds fishy, I would start looking elsewhere. EGT's should really tell you something

[muthstryker]

woah 939 posts.......

[SN65]

Hi Bob,

Sorry about your difficulties. I gave thought to posting earlier, you know, throw in my two cents, but figured you had things well under control. Also, too much info can be a bit overwhelming.

Anyway, I have been trying to find photos of your intake, but have not been able to track them down. Can you post a photo or a link?

Bob

PS: your buddy still have that Cobra/Whipple set up available? If so, I would like to give him a call.

[Bob Johnson]

He's got it..but I think a friend of Alan's is wanting it..he ran it at Maxton, N. C. last week-end..made 3 passes or so with it..his name is Rabbit..1-706-864-2328..I think Alan's friend was going to buy it as soon as Rabbit got back from Maxton..call him to make sure..Rabbit is pretty much in the know on those blower Mustang 4.6's..He built John Mafucci's that ran 210 or so at Bonneville..he could have gone 220 or so but he wanted to go break his own record..Rabbit ran 230 or so with the motor like yours in a 29 Roadster with a 32 grill.

[Bob Johnson]

Got word from Indy at 5:30 today..The Hemi ran out of oil..Rabbit and The Real had both told me it wasn't detonation..without seeing the engine, both said it had run it out of oil...they were right. Kenny @ Indy said it was a brief moment but it had run dry for a split second...Evidently the engine is going to have to have 20 plus quarts of oil to keep the oil tank/lines/sump supplied with enough oil to keep it from running low. Alan had discussed the oil tank/lines/etc with the pump manufacturer and he thought Indy too..Somehow we got goofed up. We probably have 16 quarts in it but as hard as we're running it, it isn't going to be enough. Those big old hemi Valve Covers and all those lines etc hold a lot of oil.. I guess the drag cars and their sub 10 sec. blast don't need what we're going to need. I'm just glad it didn't decide to turn loose on a road course in a high speed turn.. We're still doing a little research on the intake but I think I'm going to get it and the nitrous set up flow tested to see how it all works..We've got the headers set up for pyrometers where we can tune each cylinder separately this time. going to get Swain to coat the combustion chambers/exhaust ports/bearings etc this time. It's been a bad deal but it could have been much worse if the engine had turned loose and oiled the tires down in that cross wind we were running in..I guess every cloud has a silver lining..

[Bob Johnson]

I need to say that we haven't proven that the Intake is a real problem. Many people are stating it is not our problem. Hogan is a good guy and says he'll do anything we want, but he thinks if we tune it on each cylinder, he feels it will work fine..

[PTAddict]

16 quarts sounds like a heck of a lot of oil to be running around the system outside of the tank, even considering lots of oil lines, etc. This almost sounds like it might be a problem with the motor retaining too much oil in the top end of the motor, either from excessive oil feed to the top end, or poor drainback/scavenging, or both ... Some of the small block Chevy race heads have issues with insufficient drainback if you don't restrict oil flow to the top end. Might be a similar issue.

[Bob Johnson]

16 quarts sounds like a heck of a lot of oil to be running around the system outside of the tank, even considering lots of oil lines, etc. This almost sounds like it might be a problem with the motor retaining too much oil in the top end of the motor, either from excessive oil feed to the top end, or poor drainback/scavenging, or both ... Some of the small block Chevy race heads have issues with insufficient drainback if you don't restrict oil flow to the top end. Might be a similar issue.
I agree..Missle who manufactured the oil pump and OK'd the oiling system doesn't think it's an oiling problem..I'm like you, it seems like a drainback problem..those big hemi valve covers will retain a ton of oil. I want them to agree on the problem..The system was built according to their specs..Top of the motor was perfect..rockers etc weren't hurt a bit..as they wouldn't be if they were swimming in oil..I don't think we have a scavenging problem..we have a lot of return...They aren't used to building engines that are turned up as long as we're turning ours..Their specialty is drag motors..sub 10 sec blasts...

[PTAddict]

I read a few years back about Mark Steilow trashing a motor at One Lap of America due to a top end oil accumulation problem that never showed up on the dyno or street - not until the motor had spent extended time at high revs.

You could do a little experiment. With the motor sitting at the same angle it sits in the car, remove one of the valve covers, construct a temporary dam at the perimeter of the head, and pour a bunch of oil over the top end and see where it flows and how fast.

I don't know that much about dry sumps, but the other thing it seems to me could be an issue is insufficient air/oil separation - you might be pumping pure froth to those bearings after awhile.

[Bob Johnson]

Missle has our whole oiling system..he has a test stand where he can set it up and check the flow..I don't think it would show up the problem we might have if the oil is accumulating in the top end and not getting drained back through though..whole new set of problems for motors that are acclerated for extended periods of time..

[gt1guy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ProStreet R/T
A safe starting place is to have the intake manifold volume equal to the CI of the engine.

Can you post pics of the intake manifold? It very well could be a design flaw more than volume issues.

Sequential cylinder tuning is great IF you have a pyrometer in each header tube so you know what each cylinder is doing. W/O that it's totally useless, and in most cases overkill anyway.

Have you measured the plenum volume on your current manifold?

Alan measured it..It was like 320 cu in or so...not near the volume of the engine. We have now put pyrometers in the exhaust headers..Alan has posted pix of the manifold on here somewhere I think. I'll try to get him to do it again...He's covered up right now..
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I would also look upstream from the manifold. What do the throttle bodies flow? What do the cold air plenums running to the t/b's flow? How much does the opening for the cold air intake flow? The best intake manifold in the world is crap if it's not supplied with enough air. The entire intake has to be looked at as a complete system.

Kevin

[Bob Johnson]

I don't know what they flow but everyone said 2 90's are more than enough..We didn't have the cold air system finished while we were running it..just had a K&N filter on each Plenum..We've completely ruled out the intake and detonation causing the damage..Motor wasn't detonating at all Indy said. Just momentarily lost oil pressure..looks like the line from the tank to the pump collapsed under all the suction from the Missle dry sump oil pump...Needless to say, we'll be changine that. We're going to add some more oil volume to 20 qts. I think..

[ProStreet R/T]

Can you post pics of the bearings? Do they show any evidence of being pounded by detonation? or was it indeed just oil starvation on the bottom end?

I agree a pair of 90's is plenty in terms of airflow.

[Bob Johnson]

Alan has pix..I'll try to get him to post them..they looked hammered to me..but I only saw the second row of bearings, and only the cap end..Kenny @ Indy seems positive of his evaluation..convinced it was a momentary loss of oil.. was very pleased with the way the top end looked..looked a little fat but otherwise looked good..no detonation..We're sending the intake over to NOS to flow the nitrous and intake..hopfully I'll make The Year One Experience..going to be close. I'd hate to miss it..it's right in my backyard..Plus they're good guys and friends of mine..That show is destined to be a big deal in the real near future..

[Bob Johnson]

We were running 20W50 Castroil in it to break it in. Indy said to run 20W50 because it was set up a little loose. It was damn cold out there on that airstrip that day. We didn't have the car set up with an oil heater. Had a 100 micron Canton Filter on the dry sump system. Alan had made 5 or so passes in it before I drove it. We had run it easy before hammering it. A friend of mine thinks the 20W50 is way to heavy for the dry sump system but Missle said if the oil is 70 degrees or warmer, it will oil fine. Indy uses a 70 micron filter on their drag engines. We're going to heat the oil tank this time. I just don't have a warm fuzzy feeling with all the different opinions as to what is the culprit. We are going to hear back from Missile tomorrow after he ran the system over the week-end. Maybe I'll get more comfortable then.

[ProStreet R/T]

This is getting interesting.

When they say it was built "loose" exactly how loose? Were you using 1/2 or full groove bearings?

Seems odd that it would collapse a hose, is it possibl you picked up some debris and cloged an oil passage?

Who at Indy built the motor? I've used some of their parts in the past and I hope their engine building is far superior to their quality control.

Maybe post up on http://speedtalk.com/forum/index.php about it? I'm sure Darin and those guys can get it figured out in no time.

[Bob Johnson]

Ken Lazerri built the engine..I'm not sure on the bearings..I only saw 2 halfs..they were beat to hell..I don't think we had a clogged passage..they're supposed to be able to look at the hose and see if it collapsed..hopefully we will get a better idea after Missle looks at the whole oiling system. I just worry about no one wanting to accept the blame...The system was set up according to their information and advice.

[SN65]

Hi Bob,

If I could add a bit in my area of expertize.

If I understand your installation, you are pumping the oil from the pan to a remote collection sump. You are then pumping from that sump to the engine through a filter. Is this right?

The only way you could colapse a hose on the suction side of a pump is if there was some kind of restriction.

You don't have a filter /strainer on the suction side of the pump do you? Filters, etc... should always be on the discharge side of a pump.

I am sure that your oiling system is in good hands. Just a few questions.

Bob

PS: A level sensor in the collection sump would be a good idea. Also, I am assuming that the sump is baffled to keep the oil pump suction flooded at all times.

[preston]

I have always ran a standard -12 braided hose from my trunk mounted tank to the engine. I did have some concerns about collapsing but Weaver said it wouldn't be a problem. I am only running one pressure stage and only rev to 6200 rpms though.

Let me know what you do to heat the oil - getting the oil warm is a big problem on my "street" car even with a water based exchanger, and I"m sure it is putting a lot of wear on my motor, my gauge starts at 140 and I rarely see it budge unless it is warm out and I am putting some load on the motor. The tank even sits right next to the muffler and it gets pretty hot in the trunk but not enough.

I have though about running a nitrous tank blanket around the tank. All the dry sump tank heaters are AC based, which is stupid.

[Bob Johnson]

Alan made a oil reservoir custom for the Cuda..it is baffled..it was built to Missle's spec and approved by them. There is a #12 line coming out of the tank into the pump (suction)..There is a #12 line(pressure) coming out of the pump to the Canton 100 micron filter..then a #12 out of the filter passing back thru the pump into the block..Hemi's have the oil pump on the outside of the block..it runs off the distributor drive gear on the camshaft..there are 3 #12 scavenging lines coming out of the dry sump pan going to the pump..a #16 line going out of the pump back into the reservoir tank..it has a #16 vent on the tank...The 3 #12 scavenging lines create a vacuum which supposedly negates the need for a vacuum pump as I understand it...We didn't have a heater in the tank..we are putting a probe type heater in it this time, but like you say it's AC which is goofy..but I guess they draw so many amps, it would kill your battery..

[Bob Johnson]

look at my post about the clutch/trans. under the trans section..We just don't have any feel for the gears in the trans..

[Charley Lillard]

Bob...I gotta say it sucks to be you right now. I feel for ya.

[SN65]

Hi Bob,

Silly question...

What type of oil pumps are you running? Progressive cavity or Centrifugal?

Bob

[SN65]

Hi Bob,

If I have your oil pan "scavanging" setup correct in my minds eye, it is something like this....

You have three lines all coming out of the engines oil pan. These lines all merge into one and then feed the oil pump.

Is this correct?

If this is correct, it may not be the sourse of your problems, but it may be a contributing factor. Liquid (on the suction side of pumps) likes to follow the path of least resistance. If one of those lines is exposed to air (during hard accelleration or cornering) you will loose suction from the other two. At that point, you will only be pumping air. If you have any irregularities in your suction plumbing, you may develope up air pockets, etc... that may (on a rare occasion) cavitate the oil pump. If this happens, you will not be moving any oil at all.

I am sure that your people know what they are doing, have reviewed this issue and that your suction plumbing is OK. It is just something that crossed my mind.

A single suction that sees air on occasion is better than three where any one can be exposed to air at any time.

Bob

[ACEFOOTER]

Sorry to hear of your engine woes Bob, hope you get a more definitive answear to the cause before you have to fire it up again. On a good note I finally got my April PHR last week, 3 weeks after I got the May issue. It was folded in 1/2 length wise like it had been in someones back pocket for a month. At least none of the pages were stuck together. You and Alan have done a tremendous job!!! Look forward to videos.

[Bob Johnson]

I think it's progressive cavity..each of the 3 scavenging lines have their own port on the pump..it then goes back to the reservoir tank with a #16 line..

[SN65]

I think it's progressive cavity..each of the 3 scavenging lines have their own port on the pump..it then goes back to the reservoir tank with a #16 line..
Hi Bob,

Most likely a rotary gear pump.

Hummm.... The pump has three separate inlets? I know you have a lot on your mind right now, but do you think you could post a link to the manufacturer? Do you have some photos of the setup you might wish to share?

Bob

[Bob Johnson]

It has 3 scavenging inlets..it also has an inlet from the oil tank on one end of the pump..then another inlet from the filter that goes into and thru the pump and into the block to feed the oil to the motor. Missle made the pump

[Bob Johnson]

Indy is supposed to have the Cuda's engine finished at about 5PM Thursday..If nothing goofy happens, I'll make The Experience..Centerforce found the O Ring that came out of the hydraulic throw out bearing..it was wedged in the pressure plate..hopefully that was what was making the clutch feel like it wasn't releasing fully under high RPM..The guys at Eagle rods gave us a new set of rods since we had this problem..Now that's what I call good people..The guys at Wiseco also said they would furnish new pistons, but ours weren't hurt..

[Bob Johnson]

Alan talked to a transmission guy..he calculated the inertia on our steel driveshaft..it has 2.5 times the inertia of a stock aluminum Corvette shaft..If the car doesn't shift better with the clutch modifications, we're going to make a lighter shaft..

[Dave96dcm]

I would like to offer some advice on some things, on your intake you said that it is 314 cuin, did you mean each plenum or both combined? If it is 314 apiece then you are fine, if it is combined then you will not make as much power as you should at high rpm. If you want to know what intake will make the most power at high rpm just look at BMW M and F1 engines they both have individual throttle bodies, all you have to do with that style is calculate the runner volume and length for peak power and create a air filter. I’m surprised that with a project this high end you didn’t go that route.

On the oil system I would put the whole system back in the car and use a drill to spin the oil pump at a high rpm for a while and see how much oil is left in the tank, I would also try to squeeze the oil feed line while you are doing that and see if you can get it to collapse. You could also run a 1” hard line for the feed line (like aluminum or stainless) and just 1 foot of flex line to allow for motor flex (which you won’t have much of with a motor plate) and that will not collapse.

For your driveshaft/input shaft you are thinking about it wrong, you have no torque multiplication from a transmission. If a aluminum driveshaft car live behind a 500 ft/lb motor with a 2.5 – 3.0 first gear than it can handle 1250 – 1500 ft/lbs. If I remember right you are not making that much power and you said that your transaxle can only handle 1500 so that would probably blow up first.

I’m not trying to sound insulting just shining some light on things. If you are interested in doing the individual throttle bodies then send me a pm or e-mail and I may be able to help.

[SN65]

Hi Bob,

I missunderstood how the typical dry sump "pump" is configured

http://www.moroso.com/articles/articledisplay3.asp?article=AboutOilPans.html

From your description, it sounds pretty much like the above illustrated system. That being the case, you have a multi stage pump "4 pumps on one shaft". Let me know if your system deviates from the above diagram.

Bob

[Bob Johnson]

Hi Bob,

I missunderstood how the typical dry sump "pump" is configured

http://www.moroso.com/articles/articledisplay3.asp?article=AboutOilPans.html

From your description, it sounds pretty much like the above illustrated system. That being the case, you have a multi stage pump "4 pumps on one shaft". Let me know if your system deviates from the above diagram.

Bob
I'm trying to get Alan to show the pump on here..it's different from the Moroso unit..

[SN65]

Hey Bob, Did you notice that in the Moroso diagram, they have an oil pre heater in the sump?

Bob

[CHILI442]

The guys at Eagle rods gave us a new set of rods since we had this problem..Now that's what I call good people..

Sell them on e-bay and put some good rods in it.

[SN65]

Hi Bob,

Actually, selling the burnt rods on e-bay is a good idea. I wouldn't mind having a little keepsake of your project. I could mount the rod on a plaque along with a photo of your car.

I will start the bidding at $25.

Bob

[Bob Johnson]

Hey Bob, Did you notice that in the Moroso diagram, they have an oil pre heater in the sump?

Bob
ours will have one this time for sure..along with new lines everywhere..and more oil..These lines we had are too soft..we're not taking any chances on them

[Bob Johnson]

Sell them on e-bay and put some good rods in it.
I take it you're not a fan of Eagle Rods..all I can say is they stayed together under this duress..and it did get hot in there..Indy couldn't believe they didn't spit out..This is the rod Indy uses in most of their engines..they have had very good luck with them. How long has it been since you had a bad experience with Eagle? and what was it?

[ProStreet R/T]

I have to say, with the amount of $$$ spent on this car i'm pretty shocked you used such mediocre engine parts. Maybe it was due to sponsor donations, or w/e, but if it were my $$$ I wouldn't have eagle/wiseco/Indy listed anywhere on the build sheet.

At under 600hp I would be absolutely livid if I broke any hemi rod, be it from detonation, oil starvation, or w/e.

I've always been a bigger fan of crower billet, or Oliver rods hung on CP/JE pistons. :firefire: It is cheaper to do it right the first time :sleeping:

[Bob Johnson]

I have to say, with the amount of $$$ spent on this car i'm pretty shocked you used such mediocre engine parts. Maybe it was due to sponsor donations, or w/e, but if it were my $$$ I wouldn't have eagle/wiseco/Indy listed anywhere on the build sheet.

At under 600hp I would be absolutely livid if I broke any hemi rod, be it from detonation, oil starvation, or w/e.

I've always been a bigger fan of crower billet, or Oliver rods hung on CP/JE pistons. :firefire: It is cheaper to do it right the first time :sleeping:
when you run your bottom end dry at 7500rpm..you don't need very much horsepower to sling a rod..I have heard praise and criticism of Eagle Rods. I have some friends that have been using them lately and they speak highly of them. After looking at my bottom end, and none of the rods turned loose, I'm high on them too..I've been running Wiseco Pistons in some of my stuff, including motorcycles, and have been very pleased. As far as breaking any hemi rod, the stock ones broke without provocation. Let's hope I don't share you sentiments after banging on the Cuda this go round.

[CHILI442]

I realize that the Eagles have gotten better, but it's a sad fact that their early offerings were so bad that many machinist had to re-size them out of the box. Now they are machined here in the U.S but they're still a chinese forging. All I can say is that if I ever have the ability to build a million dollar car there's no way in hell it'll have chinese rods or crank in it (Eagle, Scat, Cat). I would look toward Crower, Oliver, etc or maybe GRP or Bill Miller aluminum. I can't remember what crank you have, but I would by running a Bryant or Moldex or similar. That's just my take. It's your investment. Good luck.

[Bob Johnson]

I realize that the Eagles have gotten better, but it's a sad fact that their early offerings were so bad that many machinist had to re-size them out of the box. Now they are machined here in the U.S but they're still a chinese forging. All I can say is that if I ever have the ability to build a million dollar car there's no way in hell it'll have chinese rods or crank in it (Eagle, Scat, Cat). I would look toward Crower, Oliver, etc or maybe GRP or Bill Miller aluminum. I can't remember what crank you have, but I would by running a Bryant or Moldex or similar. That's just my take. It's your investment. Good luck.
we have a Callies crank..thanks for the best wishes..It's hard to tell an engine builder that's sponsoring your car which internals you want. They have had good luck with these components..I wanted the combustion chamber, valves, ports, bearings etc coated. Indy had let me coat the pistons, but they didn't want the combustion chambers, ports, valves coated..Didn't want to insist on something they didn't believe in and then have a failure..

[barraza]

I have to say, with the amount of $$$ spent on this car i'm pretty shocked you used such mediocre engine parts. Maybe it was due to sponsor donations, or w/e, but if it were my $$$ I wouldn't have eagle/wiseco/Indy listed anywhere on the build sheet.

Bob, with comments like this, I'm suprised you are still bothering to answer questions. Do you think people are this rude in person, or just behind a keyboard? No, don't bother answering. Keep above the crap.

I have seen this car and watched it run, it is FANTASTIC from end to end. Why is it necessary to second guess, nit pick parts and complain about money involved. If you dont like it, go earn your own money, then build YOUR car. Maybe its just the way some people write, but it sounds like petty jealousy and adds nothing to the discussion.

I love the car, maybe a couple of style things I would change to suit my preferences if it was mine, but I can assure you there is nothing mediocre on it. Keep pushing the envelope Bob.

Hope to see you at year one.

Louis

[Bill Howell]

I would be absolutely livid if I broke any hemi rod, be it from oil starvation

I edited your quote down, so I could address what I think was the issue with the cuda. In my 30 or so years of hotrodding one thing I have learned, oil starvation will kill any part of any motor, period. High dollar parts, cheap junk, what ever. It will even kill a 45 hp 4 cylinder. So that part of your statement is a bit over the top. If I am wrong, correct me, but I just wanted to clear that part up. Bob is also right about the stock hemi rods, they were junk new, ask anyone that had one back in the day. There is a reason there were only a few hemis sold in comparision to the other options, no one wanted them.

[ProStreet R/T]

I agree oil starvation will kill anything, but locking the motor up is a far stretch from throwing a rod. And yes the eagle rods are much better than stock, but that wasn't the comparison at hand.

Don't take my criticism the wrong way, I do like that cuda very much. But for the level of work that went into the car, the motor is mediocre. I completely understand the huge $$$ that went into it, and it's hard to pass up sponsor freebies, but it's also YOUR ASS on the line driving it. As well as the hassle of having it blow up, missing events, and the hassle that goes along with all that. Would you build a $150k car and skip to save $2k on very important engine internals? Bet ya Mark didn't when he build the MULE. The last car I worked on sure didn't, and it was just a regular production car, well and that custom cut billet crank ;)

If it would have been built with a KB stage 10 block, Anderson heads, Oliver rods, CP pistons, bryant crank, etc. would it have still blown up? We will never know, but I can say for certain that not only would the motor match the level of the car, but there would be no worries pushing it to 1500hp.

And it's pretty pathetic to say criticism is jealousy.

But you know I am still waiting to hear a response from Bob about the Maxton race. And that TT "ups truck" at 4500lbs and 12 psi running 219 mph on street tires... Still don't think they can run the number? Just wait and see, but i'd bet dollars to chinese rods one hits 235 in a standing mile this year.

Oh and is that beast going to be at the Year One event? I'm still trying to get a couple of the road race guys to come out and play. :poke:

[Bob Johnson]

I realize that the Eagles have gotten better, but it's a sad fact that their early offerings were so bad that many machinist had to re-size them out of the box. Now they are machined here in the U.S but they're still a chinese forging. All I can say is that if I ever have the ability to build a million dollar car there's no way in hell it'll have chinese rods or crank in it (Eagle, Scat, Cat). I would look toward Crower, Oliver, etc or maybe GRP or Bill Miller aluminum. I can't remember what crank you have, but I would by running a Bryant or Moldex or similar. That's just my take. It's your investment. Good luck.
You know we all said that same thing years ago about Japanese stuff, then the same about Korean stuff, now about Chinese..but you know, they have all improved..As I guess you'll agree, the Japanese make as good of products as there are anywhere. The Koreans are making good products now..The Chinese are improving everyday. The difference in the Asians and most of the rest of the world, they learn from their mistakes..Their products constantly improve. The Chinese can make nice products..just ask GMPP here in Winder. All their diecast models come from China..and it's top notch...I think Eagle is making a quality rod now. I'll agree with you a few years ago they had problems. This is now..

[Bob Johnson]

Bob, with comments like this, I'm suprised you are still bothering to answer questions. Do you think people are this rude in person, or just behind a keyboard? No, don't bother answering. Keep above the crap.

I have seen this car and watched it run, it is FANTASTIC from end to end. Why is it necessary to second guess, nit pick parts and complain about money involved. If you dont like it, go earn your own money, then build YOUR car. Maybe its just the way some people write, but it sounds like petty jealousy and adds nothing to the discussion.

I love the car, maybe a couple of style things I would change to suit my preferences if it was mine, but I can assure you there is nothing mediocre on it. Keep pushing the envelope Bob.

Hope to see you at year one.

Louis
Hey, everyone is entitled to his opinion. I've got thick skin. Nobody's crank, rods, and bearings would have done any better under the oil starvation this engine experienced. The front 2 cylinders bearings were melted and pouring out of the cap. We have made several changes. We have added a scavenge line in the intake valley to get that oil back to the pan. We have changed all the oil lines. We have added more oil to the tank. Not 100% sure which one or combination of them caused our problem. Hopfully we've got all bases covered.

[Bob Johnson]

I agree oil starvation will kill anything, but locking the motor up is a far stretch from throwing a rod. And yes the eagle rods are much better than stock, but that wasn't the comparison at hand.

Don't take my criticism the wrong way, I do like that cuda very much. But for the level of work that went into the car, the motor is mediocre. I completely understand the huge $$$ that went into it, and it's hard to pass up sponsor freebies, but it's also YOUR ASS on the line driving it. As well as the hassle of having it blow up, missing events, and the hassle that goes along with all that. Would you build a $150k car and skip to save $2k on very important engine internals? Bet ya Mark didn't when he build the MULE. The last car I worked on sure didn't, and it was just a regular production car, well and that custom cut billet crank ;)

If it would have been built with a KB stage 10 block, Anderson heads, Oliver rods, CP pistons, bryant crank, etc. would it have still blown up? We will never know, but I can say for certain that not only would the motor match the level of the car, but there would be no worries pushing it to 1500hp.

And it's pretty pathetic to say criticism is jealousy.

But you know I am still waiting to hear a response from Bob about the Maxton race. And that TT "ups truck" at 4500lbs and 12 psi running 219 mph on street tires... Still don't think they can run the number? Just wait and see, but i'd bet dollars to chinese rods one hits 235 in a standing mile this year.

Oh and is that beast going to be at the Year One event? I'm still trying to get a couple of the road race guys to come out and play. :poke:
I asked a few friends of mine if there were any Vipers up there..They said no..I guess they were asleep if one ran that fast. You've never heard me say that a TT Viper won't run the numbers. I said they just sound like crap and I don't like the looks of them..I've had several of them and they will go. I've never had a TT one but the 700 Venom one that I took to Barrett Jackson 3 years ago was real strong, but it sounded like a muffled 2 stroke. I don't want or need 1,500 hp. I'll hopefully be at Year One..unfortunately I won't have time to go back to Young's and get it dynoed with the pyrometers in each exhaust..I'm not going to be in such a rush this time. I don't know why you would need a full road race boogie Viper to come Cuda huntin..be like going squirrel huntin with an elephant gun..

[Bob Johnson]

I would like to offer some advice on some things, on your intake you said that it is 314 cuin, did you mean each plenum or both combined? If it is 314 apiece then you are fine, if it is combined then you will not make as much power as you should at high rpm. If you want to know what intake will make the most power at high rpm just look at BMW M and F1 engines they both have individual throttle bodies, all you have to do with that style is calculate the runner volume and length for peak power and create a air filter. I’m surprised that with a project this high end you didn’t go that route.

On the oil system I would put the whole system back in the car and use a drill to spin the oil pump at a high rpm for a while and see how much oil is left in the tank, I would also try to squeeze the oil feed line while you are doing that and see if you can get it to collapse. You could also run a 1” hard line for the feed line (like aluminum or stainless) and just 1 foot of flex line to allow for motor flex (which you won’t have much of with a motor plate) and that will not collapse.

For your driveshaft/input shaft you are thinking about it wrong, you have no torque multiplication from a transmission. If a aluminum driveshaft car live behind a 500 ft/lb motor with a 2.5 – 3.0 first gear than it can handle 1250 – 1500 ft/lbs. If I remember right you are not making that much power and you said that your transaxle can only handle 1500 so that would probably blow up first.

I’m not trying to sound insulting just shining some light on things. If you are interested in doing the individual throttle bodies then send me a pm or e-mail and I may be able to help.
Thanks for your interest..We do have 2 throttle bodies. You turn over a project to a intake builder and they do it their way instead of the way you envisioned it. We were skeptical of the intake when we got it. We argued with the manufacturer about it. He assures us it will make the power and perform well. In his defense, we do have space limitations(primarily height). We are going to tune the car by each cylinder this time..We are putting pyrometers in each exhaust to get individual readings. We'll see..The figure I gave you is the total Volume for both plenums..We feel it's way short..We realize we're not getting the multiple of torque since the trans is in the rear, but we were being safe rather than sorry. If the modified clutch doesn't get it to shift right, we'll try the driveshaft next. Don't want to try 10 things at once. The oil lines were way too soft. We are changing them. We felt they were too soft, but we were assured they would do the job..First time shame on them..second time shame on me..the C5 Corvettes are experiencing driveshaft failure when they start making power..

[Bob Johnson]

I agree oil starvation will kill anything, but locking the motor up is a far stretch from throwing a rod. And yes the eagle rods are much better than stock, but that wasn't the comparison at hand.

Don't take my criticism the wrong way, I do like that cuda very much. But for the level of work that went into the car, the motor is mediocre. I completely understand the huge $$$ that went into it, and it's hard to pass up sponsor freebies, but it's also YOUR ASS on the line driving it. As well as the hassle of having it blow up, missing events, and the hassle that goes along with all that. Would you build a $150k car and skip to save $2k on very important engine internals? Bet ya Mark didn't when he build the MULE. The last car I worked on sure didn't, and it was just a regular production car, well and that custom cut billet crank ;)

If it would have been built with a KB stage 10 block, Anderson heads, Oliver rods, CP pistons, bryant crank, etc. would it have still blown up? We will never know, but I can say for certain that not only would the motor match the level of the car, but there would be no worries pushing it to 1500hp.

And it's pretty pathetic to say criticism is jealousy.

But you know I am still waiting to hear a response from Bob about the Maxton race. And that TT "ups truck" at 4500lbs and 12 psi running 219 mph on street tires... Still don't think they can run the number? Just wait and see, but i'd bet dollars to chinese rods one hits 235 in a standing mile this year.

Oh and is that beast going to be at the Year One event? I'm still trying to get a couple of the road race guys to come out and play. :poke:
I'd love to see what Mark put in the Mule's engine..someone got the old PHR articles on that part of the build?

[syborg tt]

Okay need your help Bob. I keep looking at your Sony Radio. Why can't i find it anywhere ??

ps. I am building a single turbo engine for my 4.3l daily driver and i am big fan of eagle rods and trw pistons. They are pretty much bomb proof in this application. But other people think i'm nuts for thinking this way but it doesn't bother me either.

[Bob Johnson]

Okay need your help Bob. I keep looking at your Sony Radio. Why can't i find it anywhere ??

ps. I am building a single turbo engine for my 4.3l daily driver and i am big fan of eagle rods and trw pistons. They are pretty much bomb proof in this application. But other people think i'm nuts for thinking this way but it doesn't bother me either.
We haven't put the actual radio in it. Can't listen to tunes until I get everything sorted out. I have a 3.8 89 Indy Pace Car Trans Am I bought new..Gotta get it back together..only has 15K miles..sounds about as bad as a Viper though..

[Charley Lillard]

I'd love to see what Mark put in the Mule's engine..someone got the old PHR articles on that part of the build?... The twin turbo engine in the Mule was done in it's final configuration by Wheel 2 Wheel

Gm race block
Lunati 4340 crank
JE forged pistons...coated tops and skirts
Oliver billet steel rods
Clevite H series bearings
speed-pro rings
Cometic head gaskets
Melling HV oil pump
18 degree TFS heads
ATI dampner
Isky valve springs and retainers.:camaro:

[ProdigyCustoms]

I have just got to ask the question. What in the hell do you have Mr Pro Street? To talk **** about a car like Bob's, Whatever you have must be the ****! And what gives you the right to ridicule Bob on what parts he spends his million bucks on? At least he has it to spend? And as far Eagle rods, we push them pretty hard around here. Not 1500HP hard, but 900HP to 1000HP hard in heavy nitrous motors I happen to have, and lots of street miles!

What really blows me away is Bob is taking a tongue lashing from you, and the rods are not the problem? It just makes no damn sense. If the thing would have thrown a rod, you still wouldn't have a right to ridicule him, but it would at least make sense why you continue to preach about the damn rods.

You may not be jealous, but it damn sure looks that way to others.

By the way, Prodigy has Eagle rods. Why don't you jump on my **** for a while and let Bob get his car back together.

[Bob Johnson]

I'm talking about when it was built in PHR with donated parts. I know you put top dollar parts in it when you built it..Post up what went in when Mark built it originally..We know there's only one thing short on you..(it ain't your temper)..I know you have a dossier on every facet of that Mule..

[Bill Howell]

So, I am bored tonight!

[Bill Howell]

But I noticed something a few minutes ago!

[Bill Howell]

This thread that we have been following since SEMA is now almost at 1000 posts!

[Bill Howell]

So I thought,

[Bill Howell]

Being the post whore I am

[Bill Howell]

Why not just make a few posts

[Bill Howell]

And be the one

[Bill Howell]

To post number 1000!