SAN DIEGO AUTOCROSS Sept30 Oct20 Nov18

[Hank]

So the Solo Committee meeting is this upcoming Monday, 7pm at C2. The issue of CAM will be brought up. Those who have a say in how we organize it should be there. I'll be there and hope to see some of you guys. If you want to just send someone to advocate for you guys (George?) you can. SCNAX's club rep (Rae) has been following the thread and there could be some discussion by the other clubs about how it's organized. I'm not sure how heated the debate will get (I doubt it will at all), but it seems from the SDR forum that 79 and older is a logical cutoff.

All this being said, my assumption is that you guys are carefully watching to see what CAM looks like for 2014, so perhaps better overkill than sorry. Everyone is welcome but PLEASE BRING YOUR OWN CHAIRS. Or stand.



BTW, hope you guys don't mind me stealing a photo for our next event :D

[Tomswheels]

So the Solo Committee meeting is this upcoming Monday, 7pm at C2. The issue of CAM will be brought up. Those who have a say in how we organize it should be there. I'll be there and hope to see some of you guys. If you want to just send someone to advocate for you guys (George?) you can. SCNAX's club rep (Rae) has been following the thread and there could be some discussion by the other clubs about how it's organized. I'm not sure how heated the debate will get (I doubt it will at all), but it seems from the SDR forum that 79 and older is a logical cutoff.

All this being said, my assumption is that you guys are carefully watching to see what CAM looks like for 2014, so perhaps better overkill than sorry. Everyone is welcome but PLEASE BRING YOUR OWN CHAIRS. Or stand.

BTW, hope you guys don't mind me stealing a photo for our next event :D

Sounds good Hank, I'm trying to get off work early so I can get there.

[alcino]

I'm going to show up to give support. Really want to make sure my year is included and see if we can loosen up the weight rule with tire or engine size being smaller like SM or CP. If the weight stays at 3000 I can just make my car a lot less nose heavy.

[soloracerSD]

FRom what I've heard weight includes driver in this case... I don't know if that's the case in SM or CP..something for you guys to research..If it's car and driver then cars are 2800ish.. I'm on the fence on that. So you can start eating donuts and pancakes every morning or wait a little while...

[j-rho]

An option to consider is allowing the lighter cars in, so long as their wheels/tires are kept under a certain size.
Example:
3000+: unlimited (though I do think fronts should be limited to 285s on 10's, even here)
2500-2999: 275's on 10's
2200-2499: 225's on 8's
There can be massaging from there, but the key point is there are more flexible ways of maintaining tire load parity, than a singular weight restriction. SD can be the trailblazer for showing the rest of the country how it's done...

[alcino]

Those allowances work for me and was what I was thinking. Not sure what the big muscle guys would think of those ranges. I'm roughly ~2800 and on 205s and most likely getting 225s for this year. Been dreaming of getting 17" wheels to move up to 255 or 275. Jason keeps me legal with all my options and I have room for more weight reduction. thanks Jason! lol

[Tomswheels]

Those allowances work for me and was what I was thinking. Not sure what the big muscle guys would think of those ranges. I'm roughly ~2800 and on 205s and most likely getting 225s for this year. Been dreaming of getting 17" wheels to move up to 255 or 275. Jason keeps me legal with all my options and I have room for more weight reduction. thanks Jason! lol

Alcino I'd be very surprised if your car doesn't weigh 3k fully wet with you in a helmet in it....

[soloracerSD]

I think anything under 2700 is less CAM PT Muscle car and more SM Class.Do I have to go into my SM stuff again? lol Cars can drop weight if only on 275tire or smaller. just use 200 to 260.Thats all you have to say."change 200 to 260"Sweet and short... It's up to you guys I don't have a car in the race.I'm okay with CP weights&liters(2700 to 3000plus) with tire restriction size on lighter cars .Something close to a 275 is all Bryce and Alcino want on their light 5.0 pushrod cars.Correct?

After Monday I won't feel I have to repeat myself anymore. yeppie!

[PRO-66]

This is what a Classic American Muscle(CAM) car would represent in my opinion https://www.pro-touring.com/threads/...ntage%29-Rules

The cars with LS engines, custom chassis, non factory suspension/steering pickup points etc. should have there own class called Modified American Classics(MAC)

[alcino]

The rule didn't specify weight with driver so I assumed without. If that's the interpretation then I may qualify with a big meal before my runs. This year we should try to allow as much vintage iron in the class as possible to first prove our numbers. Then we can think of making more rules to cut classes up. To me the most important levelers in autox is tire compound, tire width, and vehicle weight. Big motors can't do much more with street tires than a small motor so who cares. So I'm going to propose leave the rules as is with the addition of tire width 275 or less -200lbs, tire 225 or less -400lbs. That way the cheater open wheel hot rods can play just not with 315+ wide tires.

[Tomswheels]

The rule didn't specify weight with driver so I assumed without. If that's the interpretation then I may qualify with a big meal before my runs. This year we should try to allow as much vintage iron in the class as possible to first prove our numbers. Then we can think of making more rules to cut classes up. To me the most important levelers in autox is tire compound, tire width, and vehicle weight. Big motors can't do much more with street tires than a small motor so who cares. So I'm going to propose leave the rules as is with the addition of tire width 275 or less -200lbs, tire 225 or less -400lbs. That way the cheater open wheel hot rods can play just not with 315+ wide tires.

I think this year Alcino and Mark we should definately run CAM as is, no one in our group is going to call out for anyone else to get weighed.... Should be fun!

[soloracerSD]

Whats proposed has to be something you all agree on.THey don't want to make dessions for you .Just a yes that sounds good.and a little Debate..I wouldn't even go into 225 tires.Most of the Miatas use bigger then that.I know that's all your getting on the Mustang 2. You have to admit it is small.I'm under tired at 225.I think all but Matt is under 275 .Maybe some 285.

Then again SM covers this just tweak the formula .Or say CP weight rules just add 275 tires for 2700 pound spec..which is 5 liter and under( nice if it only was pushrod 5.0).Jason R you might even agree with that.255 limit if you want.

Plus SDR doesn't offer scales for local events.There are scale available that can be borrowed.That would be more of a test of who is the truly the honest gentlemen racer.. Bryce even has Scales ,PIZZA and BEER parties.. So if your cheating we take you out back and pelt you with empty beer bottles.

And weight should without driver that's how it is in CP and SM.Open wheel formulas is with driver.I got that info from Brian H driver of the CP/PT/CAM Camaro... I could of read it in the book But I'm feeling lazy.

[PRO-66]

I think this year Alcino and Mark we should definately run CAM as is, no one in our group is going to call out for anyone else to get weighed.... Should be fun!

sounds good to me. Who wants CAM sticker magnets made for there cars?

[Bryce]

sounds good to me. Who wants CAM sticker magnets made for there cars?

I will run CAM. Let me know the cost.

[alcino]

Well CAM is now set in stone for San Diego Region 2014. Tom represented us well and after some "discussion" with the board it was agreed to keep the rules as presented in the draft rule book and deciding to make it one class of 1978 and older cars. I personally showed up just to make sure the year selected worked for me. Now the most important thing to do is to prove our numbers. Tom challenged me to make the "pledge of 10". That's the promise to enter at least 10 events this year. That seemed to be the magic number to be deemed a regular by some members present at the meeting. Hopefully many more here can also take on the challenge and join in on the fun.

Tom showed up to the meeting wearing this Cam Newton shirt. Coincidence? Or just awesome!

(Ordering one now)

[Bryce]

Good job guys. I will make as many as possible.

[soloracerSD]

It would be good to see Matt and Gregg bring their Camaros.Are you 2 listening.Plus the 57 Chevy Apache(TRUCK).Those are 3 popular cars we haven't seen for a while.Roy and Zake to.

[PRO-66]

I will run CAM. Let me know the cost.

no cost Do you want white background with black letters to match your #'s?

Tom, Rich I think you guys run black background with grey letters?
Alcino?
Matt?
Dan?
Mike?
who else? let me know

Thanks Tom Alcino and who ever else made it to Mondays meet. I am in for the "Pledge Of 10"

[Tomswheels]

no cost Do you want white background with black letters to match your #'s?

Tom, Rich I think you guys run black background with grey letters?
Alcino?
Matt?
Dan?
Mike?
who else? let me know

Thanks Tom Alcino and who ever else made it to Mondays meet. I am in for the "Pledge Of 10"

Awesome Bryce, Alcino, and Mark, should be a blast this year, black/grey is perfect thanks Mark!

[Bryce]

no cost Do you want white background with black letters to match your #'s?

Tom, Rich I think you guys run black background with grey letters?
Alcino?
Matt?
Dan?
Mike?
who else? let me know

Thanks Tom Alcino and who ever else made it to Mondays meet. I am in for the "Pledge Of 10"

that would be great! thanks Mark.