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[soloracerSD]

Thanks for the input Jason,I bet on friday before the tour you will be doing all the testing you can.There will be a separat track for that.



There will be a lot of eyes on you at the tour.Most STX cars are around 10 years old or less..A 67 Camaro fully well preped for the class.A test of engineering ability.and driving skill.I'll be there. So you were there last weekend with Thomason?

We have a few guys from PT.com trying different classes now .A couple in ESP,SM.Brett is turning his 1999 Roush Stang into a tube frame CP car.To road race and run in P1-XP,BP,CP,FP Pax index class.Bryce may join him there some day..

If you guys think I know how to read a rule.I haven't built a car. Jason has built a couple I think to the limit of a SCCA class.Also a competive driver at the tours. Well I did put the RX-7 together but it isn't to the limit of my class.

[Bryce]

Thanks for the input Jason,I bet on friday before the tour you will be doing all the testing you can.There will be a separat track for that.

There will be a lot of eyes on you at the tour.Most STX cars are around 10 years old or less..A 67 Camaro fully well preped for the class.A test of engineering ability.and driving skill.I'll be there. So you were there last weekend with Thomason?

We have a few guys from PT.com trying different classes now .A couple in ESP,SM.Brett is turning his 1999 Roush Stang into a tube frame CP car.To road race and run in P1-XP,BP,CP,FP Pax index class.Bryce may join him there some day..

If you guys think I know how to read a rule.I haven't built a car. Jason has built a couple I think to the limit of a SCCA class.Also a competive driver at the tours. Well I did put the RX-7 together but it isn't to the limit of my class.

Thanks George, I will be there someday. HAHA.

In SM my car can weigh 2475 (I will be there at asome point), but I do not have a stock steering column or heater. I think I can interpret the rules so that all suspension mods are legal.

Did I read CP rules correctly that you can not change out the heads and no hood scoops?

[soloracerSD]

Bryce your hood scoop is legal in CP.The rule is something like a 3.5 inch raise but open facing windshield.This isn't the exact way it's written but close enough.So check the correct height in the book.

Yes in SM the rule is just engine block of same manufacter..CP there is a list of different heads you can use.My racer doesn't have Heads,Valves or cylinders..I don't know that stuff...Jason thats all your question
I Think the list of heads is what you probably want anyway.

You might have Street Prepared confused with Prepared cars.Street Prepared cars like E-SP can't change cylinder heads.

That is why it is nice to have the book in hand.Online every page looks the same.You can easly bump your computer and be reading the wrong page and class...lol

Bryce You are becoming a true racing engineer..Reading between the lines like the best of them..LOL Adrian Newey of F1 RED BULL look out. Bryce will have your job some day..

I'm sure you saw what I saw Bryce. In SM you can drop 200 lb off the weight formula if your tires are 275 or less and more if you run a live rear axle.So is every suspension piece going to be light alloy soon?

Any Question on Class builds ,The final say is Doug Gill.I've talk to him a few times.SCCA.com

[j-rho]

Rulebook here - http://www.scca.com/assets/2013%20Solo%20Rules.pdf

Reading it can be somewhat difficult for someone not experienced in the art of reading a rulebook -part of the reason it is generally suggested that newcomers start out with simple and minimally modified vehicles. Also, anyone who builds a car, then looks at the rules, is apt to be surprised and disappointed in the resulting lack of competitiveness. If you want to be competitive, it is wiser to read the rules and choose a car and preparation level that suits you, but also has a good chance of competitiveness.

[soloracerSD]

Bryce I just had a look at my current rule book.CP can have a 4"raised hood open at front ,sides or back.My 2004 book it was just back.You can choose Alloy heads or Steel ,same # of valves etc.

Jason yes showing up at the event with a stocker makes things easier..So many times I've told people bring your car down.I get "I'm not ready with it yet" I tell them, "Read that rule book before you regret it".Like our lucky man Bryce ,He wasn't thinking SM or SCCA when he built the car.But it's a perfect tight fit for SM.
Competitive? thats secondary right now.It's just a class for similiar cars to meet for now.I don't think there is any one wanting to autocross a stock vintage muscle car.Not competitive in stock..But Tom does a great job driving a Stock 69 Cuda

Jason Thanks for posting the rule book and 2013 PAX INDEX.I've been wanting to do that.

[iRoush]

No wings in CP huh? well I'm screwed there haha. Wing has to go on for sponsor, I'll run whatever I'm legal for I guess, competitive or not, I need to get used to the car more than I care about racing others in auto-x.

[iRoush]

reading up on SM rules, wings are allowed... I have an idea for the car to keep it legal for that class but still drop hundreds of pounds of weight. I'm already competitive for that class, just need tires and all the extra aero and weight work I'm doing are just going to push me further up the ladder in class

[soloracerSD]

Your catching on.Brett..Wings in SM is correct you just need to keep the complete dash, interior minus rear seat,windshield whippersetc.Make sure your cage is SP/SM legal.If it passes threw Firewall or trunk your CP.no cross bracing underneath car either. You could run CP with a 10" tall spoiler maybe only 7.5 it depends..I think you can also run XP.Wings are allowed .But when you run P1=XP,BP,CP,FP .You go from Best Pax Index # CP to the one where your expected to be the fastest Class XP.

Jason made it easy and attached the rules so check out page 119 -120 for CP then 203 for XP,,111 for SM..Looks like SM and XP have different wing rules.

Do your research so theres no regrets later..Then there is always SU class

[soloracerSD]

Bryce am I getting this math right.

289=4.7

4.7x200+1800=2740-200(for 275mm tires)-117.5(RWD solid axle allowance)=2422.5

Tough to get that low legally.Do you have a stock pile of Carbin fiber tubing for suspension..That is near the weight of a stock Miata.In SM class autocross you don't race Miatas.thats a good thing!

[iRoush]

Your catching on.Brett..Wings in SM is correct you just need to keep the complete dash, interior minus rear seat,windshield whippers.Make sure your cage is SP/SM legal.If it passes threw Firewall or trunk your CP.no cross bracing underneath car either. You could run CP with a 10" tall spoiler maybe only 7.5 it depends..I think you can also run XP.Wings are allowed .But when you run P1=XP,BP,CP,FP .You go from Best Pax Index # CP to the one where your expected to be the fastest Class XP.

Jason made it easy and attached the rules so check out page 119 -120 for CP then 203 for XP,,111 for SM..Looks like SM and XP have different wing rules.

Do your research so theres no regrets later..Then there is always SU class

Cage is just a 4 point at this point, until I hit the road course as my main venture, I'm just going to keep the 4-point as it's all i need. I'd rather see what I can get out of my car in SM, i have no doubt that this car is capable of winning some events (the driver may be the only thing that holds it back haha). CP is a no go since I can't run a wing and XP, I really just don't think I'd be competitive with the Lotus' that are fielded in it. My car is perfectly situated for SM, so I'm going to take full advantage of that and get every last ounce out of the car and drop every possible second off my times

[soloracerSD]

I knew you would be back in SM..I have Mind control..HA HA..HA HA

Just kidding..I think it's good to come up with all the options in classes.Even if one isn't a good one.When you get into the more Modified& Prepared classes.It's a bit tricky.

Come check out the National Tour next weekend..There will be some SM National champions .In impound their Trunk and hood are open.ask some questions

[alcino]

I'm building a fence this weekend but may take a break for an hour or two to check things out. Any idea when a good time to see SM and possibly CP cars in impound? If there is no specified time I may just walk around looking for them in the parking lot and do some snooping and hope I catch the owners for some tips.

[Tomswheels]

It's next weekend Alcino (30th+31st)

[soloracerSD]

Yes it's next weekend not this one.The days schedule isn't set till the friday before..From what I remember..I don't know if any more CP cars have signed up.Valarie has a SM/CP The classes that I know will interest some of you guys would be FS STX ESP and SM.CP.XP I could list them all.For impound the cars just sit in grid stalls.They go to the start line from that stall.After they finish their 3 laps.they must park in the Grid stall ,hood and trunk open till all competitors in class okay the results.and no one protests a car.If you cheat they ty one ankle to the back of truck and drive it around the track..LOL Really there are pentalties/fines that can cost you some cash.It's in the rule book.

JR will run his well preped 67 Camaro for the first time.in STX.. first time it's been autocrossed period...Sorry for added pressure on Jason.....

heres the entry list scca.com/solo click Championship tour.

GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU ALCINO Ok where have you been Alcino can you sneak out and autocross with us sometime..

[soloracerSD]

Tom did you see the results.Okay fastest inESP just 3 seconds off winning SM time.If those rear tires of your's weren't so ...tired..Mark was within a second of you.Rich 2nd fastest of the three of you.Mark on 300 TW He wins!

[Tomswheels]

Tom did you see the results.Okay fastest inESP just 3 seconds off winning SM time.If those rear tires of your's weren't so ...tired..Mark was within a second of you.Rich 2nd fastest of the three of you.Mark on 300 TW He wins!

Bought some new (used) rear tires today, hoping they will solve my rear traction riddle (excuse). Two questions for you George, who else can run with me in ESP? Why are none of the San Diego F Stock Mustangs registered for the national event?

[soloracerSD]

Local FS not in tour. I haven't looked..Same reason I'm not ...I'm himpy. Right now I can't justify the 105.00 for six laps and be beat by 5 seconds.I've done it 3 times before .I haven't done any practices yet either Thinking about Budget.Maybe If I was asked to Co Drive a competitive car.I would have a hard time saying no..There has only been two cars that I have driven in a autocross. My Rx-7 and a 65 Mustang.

Last local event we had 185 entries.probably the highest in 2 years not counting the National Tour.


Who have you run with that could go to ESP?Jonathon with the Pontiac might.others probably not legally.It's up to people to read the rule book to be for sure.Jason has a 67 Camaro in STX..That should make people curious to read the rule book to see what they can do.STX is a street tire Street Touring class.Read Street Touring ,Street Prepared. and SM ,,Bryce ,Brett and Tyler have voted it their 1# one book...

I'm not for sure But your 2013 Mustang is legal in STX or STU with the mods you have done.I haven't said much about STXor STU.Some fast drivers there locally.easier in SM.Where everyone can run together pretty much.When I first went to a GG event and started this thread.I would hear.We would all be put in separat classes and we would have to run against cars like Mike Mair's CP car.SCCA favors imports,Oh I'll chip my paint at a SCCA event but not at GG Del Mar.. UUHHG...

I'm glade you guys are coming and finding how The SCCA has come up with many competition options.Track time will improve your laptime at anyones event.

If your looking for track time locally Qualcomm stadium is where it's at.Come join us..

I kind of ran with it didn't I...LOL

[DesertFox]

I think I'lk have the only 3rd gen out there. You're more tan welcome ot stop by and say hello whenever.
You'll be disappointed with my car thought. It's got a full interior, 100+lbs of stereo and A/C. Not much of a CP car....

[soloracerSD]

I'll stop by and say hello Varlarie.. Wasn't your car Co driven last year.?Or was it two similar CP camaros I saw.?

Back to E-Street Prepared (ESP) Before I went to my first a GG event..ESP is the class that I thought would work for everyone..Then I saw 1930s style cars with tube frame and LS chevy motors and 69 Camaros like Greggs with a subframe change and 4-Link conversion with LS chevy.ESP doesn't work for those mods not even SM.

If you have a small to midsize sedan not a compact.And you only have changed half your stock suspension pieces.with a stock engine.Exhaust and intake manafold you can change..You should look into ESP Check out Page 193 Of the SCCA Solo Rule Book for the list of all the cars,Yes 60s muscle cars are listed.The Street Prepared build rules are pages 91 to 105.If your car exceeds these rules keep reading.Next Chapter is SM..This is your Homework Tom..

The rule book is attached a few texts back from this Text.. text 324#
next open event April 27,28.. and 4 days in June..sdr-scca.com/solo for schedule

[DesertFox]

The car was was driven by my friend Casey Aldridge (BAD_EFX) in CP at Nat's in Lincoln last fall, but not at SD. The only other car running CP last year was James (SLO_Z28) in a 2nd Gen Camaro but he was in CP and I was in CPL.
And yes say hello