Anyone have pricing for DSE 4 link ?

[68protouring454]

thanks, please let us know how the install goes, and how the welding went on the rear end, it would be nice to hear how the install goes .
i guess even dse as trouble getting products out, i thought the kits were to be sent out the first of august.
jake

[70ptta]

is there a kit like this for a 2nd gen f body

[69injun]

First I have talked to Kyle several times in the past and have to say their customer service is second to none. Just to give you an idea what a great company DSE is remember that when they moved from MI to NC every employee left MI with them and made the move. You have to have a great work enviroment to have that kind of dedication. I have installed their coil over conversion kit on my firebird subframe and had no problems and I am no profesional installer. And as far as the extra costs, I challenge you to find any kit that doesn't have the extra costs you are talking about. I don't know what you expect that a shop charges for checking and straightening a rear end, but it is like and engine rebuild. Would you rebuild an engine and not get it cleaned and magnafluxed first. The cost is not that much, but it can be priceless in that it makes sure everything is as it should be.

[68protouring454]

sorry i touched a nerve but for someone who does not work for dse, you seem very loyal, i am just askin questions, is that ok??
jake

[69injun]

Well yup I think those who have delt with and talked to the folks at DSE, become pretty loyal. But also I believe that this system is a compromize. I know they have been working on it since the mule came out. I know Kyle told me about it at least a year or two ago I think. And I believe that it took so long to be a production piece because they were not going to put it out until it was up to DSE standards. And that being said it is to be the best handling 4link that still allows the back seat to be in place. So if you just want a two seater streat fighter then you may want a different system. I haveing a family with 3 boys I need a back seat. So like most things it is about compromises. All out performace at the track or room for five, or room for five with the best handling you can have with a back seat. And I dont think your extra cost figures are any different than it would be for anyone elses stuff. And I have to say again that if you check the price for checking and straightening a rear are not that bad. But I would give Kyle a call, he is a great guy to talk to and is perfectly willing to sit and listen to you tell him about your car, and offer any help he can. I haven't made it up yet but I live about two hours from their new shop and he is allways inviting me to stop by and pay them a visit.

[alstainlessworks]

If anyone in the midwest is getting this kit with DSE mini tubs, please contact us. We would like to make a tailpipe pattern to work with this kit-we now have one for the Air-Ride air bar kit, and want to be able to supply one for the DSE kit. We are located in Cleveland, Ohio.

Thanks
Al
Stainless Works

[rob07002]

I'll volunteer my convertible if anyone wants to use it as a "test mule"....and see how it works on a drop top.

Kyle you out there?

[ZX10R]

how much does DSE charge "roughly" "guesstimate" for a mini-tub on a stock 68 or 69 camaro to enable the use of 335's in the rear to run this rear suspension setup? 5k? 8k? 10k?

[ProdigyCustoms]

It is a 50 our job on a coupe.

[ZX10R]

It is a 50 our job on a coupe.

what are you referring to?

[sinned]

Just to give you an idea what a great company DSE is remember that when they moved from MI to NC every employee left MI with them and made the move.

Actually to be completely accurate you would have to say every employee that was still employed at the date of the move because I know of one who left just before the move.

Absolutely. It is a handling suspension, not specifically for drag racing.

Well , that is an opinion because a parellel 4-link is not a "handling" suspension. It may work better than the leafs but there are many "better" options for a handling suspesnion.

[madmax]

what are you referring to?

I think he left out the 'h' in 'hour'. So it just turned into our

-Max

[camcojb]

Well , that is an opinion because a parellel 4-link is not a "handling" suspension. It may work better than the leafs but there are many "better" options for a handling suspesnion.

You can fly with leaf springs. You can go even faster with DSE's 4-link. Both systems set up right are more than nearly everyone on this board can possibly need. There might be a handful of guys here at PT who can outdrive this system. So for the masses it's an excellent setup and gives the ride height adjustability.

Jody

[yody]

You can fly with leaf springs. You can go even faster with DSE's 4-link. Both systems set up right are more than nearly everyone on this board can possibly need. There might be a handful of guys here at PT who can outdrive this system. So for the masses it's an excellent setup and gives the ride height adjustability.

Jody

Hmm, and you know this how? have you test driven a car with this suspension? Has DSE done any back to back comparisons? What about it gives ride height adjustability, the coilovers? that is totally seperate, that is because of the shock/spring not the DSE part. So how do you know how "almost eveyrone on this board" can drive or does? Because you don't race your cars doesn't mean everyone else doesn't, or that it is good enough for you does Not mean everyone else would be satisfied. Sounded like a "personal opinion" of yours that reflects your driving habits and car skills.

Now there is truth to your statement and the DSE kit is not a bad piece. However as someone who sells the kit and is obviously advertising it(you), you really have to bring more than that to the table. You out of all people should know that statements like that are going to be picked apart. I somewhat agree with you, if you would of said the exact same thing but substituted "I" in there I would totatlly agree. I am no hardcore racer and I couldn't really tell you without driving a car equipped with that suspension if it was good enough for me or not. But I wouldn't tell everyone on the board that only a small percent of them don't need anything better, especially without either proven data or personal experience. :rolleyes5

BTW the questions I have asked are just questions, so If you have driven with the suspension or have techincal data then please post it so we can see how this suspension works, instead of just figuring it works well since DSE made it(which I believe know what they are doing)

[camcojb]

Jesus Yody, here we go again. I've had every car I've built on a track. Drag strip, and I know that's not what you're talking about. I am not a suspension guru, but then again neither are you. I am a DSE dealer but if I didn't think the stuff worked I would not have entered the thread. My "experience" comes from speaking with people who have raced these suspensions, noteably Mark Stielow. Way beyond an average driver and he's the one who told me what I wrote above as far as the 4 link and leaf springs. He's fast enough to be a pro if he wanted to, has been a lap or two in these cars with these suspensions, and I trust what he says.

Is there a better rear suspension for road racing? Absolutely, but DSE built this as a nice compromise for fit and ease of installation, for street and track. I've ridden and driven in the Mule (4-link) and the Thrasher (leaf spring) and both corner VERY well in my opinion, as well as Marks.

My remark on the handful of very good drivers didn't include you or I!

Jody

[yody]

Why I have been praised before, but never called "jesus"....how about "godfather" that has a better ring to it the suspension does sound good, but like you said I am no suspension guru by a far stretch! lol,

[camcojb]

Why I have been praised before, but never called "jesus"....how about "godfather" that has a better ring to it

Jody

[yody]

now just wait for dennis to get ahold of this thread.......better hope there not using polyurethane in the link ends

[camcojb]

Dennis knows more than me about this stuff. I can debate some things like engine building, efi tuning, painting, etc. but I am not any kind of suspension guru. So I find someone I trust and use their recommendations.

Dennis is a smart guy and obviously knows what he's talking about. In my opinion anyway! A three link may be more ideal for handling. I believe that DSE has enough experience to build a hard-core rear racing suspension. But again, they like to sell the parts they develop and the market would be MUCH smaller in my opinion for this, especially since a race setup isn't going to be a lot of fun on the street; now you can start compromising, but you know how that goes.

The DSE 4-link isn't a hardcore roadrace setup, but wasn't built to be. The quality is very nice and the swivel end links are very cool. Again, my opinion from a know-nothing suspension geek!

Jody

[yody]

yeah dennis know something or other. Pretty soon their first gen guys are going to have some good choices, the DSE kit and Mean69's three link kit will cover pretty much what al the protouring guys need, you want track duty hardcore handling you can go with the 3 link, if you want smooth drivablity but will give up some hanlding you have the DSE kit, too bad i have a second gen!