RideTech Tru Turn System

[Damn True]

Question for the ride-tech guys.

Is it possible that the toe change numbers are flipped in this chart for column C?

[bret]

No, that looks about right. Column C is intended to show that even a collection of fine components, if not specifically engineered to work together, MAY not yeild the results you intended. There is nothing wrong with that ATS spindle, its a finely engineered component. BUT we did not build the Tru Turn system around the ATS spindle, we built it around our ridetech spindle. Thats why we include a lot of this type of detailed explanation on the website below that chart. http://www.ridetech.com/store/tru-turn/

[medici78]

What steering box are folks using with this setup?

[MCB Matt]

We typically like to setup the DSE Delphi box with the Tru Turn ....We have had the best performance from doing it this way, however, even a rebulit, quick ratio stock box will get the job done just fine....

Matt

[medici78]

Thanks, Matt.
Also, is there any consensus on tire size and wheel backspacing for 68-72 Nova? We called the ridetech tech line to see what they recommend so I could get the ball rolling on ordering my rims but the tech said they weren't allowed to make any recommendations on wheel size or backspacing as they only had experience with Camaros. This was not the response we expected after spending $5k+ on the whole setup...

[MCB Matt]

Thanks, Matt.
Also, is there any consensus on tire size and wheel backspacing for 68-72 Nova? We called the ridetech tech line to see what they recommend so I could get the ball rolling on ordering my rims but the tech said they weren't allowed to make any recommendations on wheel size or backspacing as they only had experience with Camaros. This was not the response we expected after spending $5k+ on the whole setup...

PM sent, we will get you setup!
Thanks
Matt

[Rod]

Thanks, Matt.
Also, is there any consensus on tire size and wheel backspacing for 68-72 Nova? We called the ridetech tech line to see what they recommend so I could get the ball rolling on ordering my rims but the tech said they weren't allowed to make any recommendations on wheel size or backspacing as they only had experience with Camaros. This was not the response we expected after spending $5k+ on the whole setup...

ummm? OK I don't know about that, but I don't know what was said, I will say a Nova has a little smaller well, but the main reason that I wouldn't recommend a back space is I would need more information, for example I need to know what brakes your using, what hub your using, what control arms your using, what body bushing are you using, what size wheel are you going to run, what sway bar you have all just for starters, we can GUESS from there, but its a ROUGH GUESS and then we need to measure the assembly on the car to achieve maximum width for performance

[medici78]

ummm? OK I don't know about that, but I don't know what was said, I will say a Nova has a little smaller well, but the main reason that I wouldn't recommend a back space is I would need more information, for example I need to know what brakes your using, what hub your using, what control arms your using, what body bushing are you using, what size wheel are you going to run, what sway bar you have all just for starters, we can GUESS from there, but its a ROUGH GUESS and then we need to measure the assembly on the car to achieve maximum width for performance

I think certain items were not in the conversation, as it was my tech that called.
PM sent.

[bret]

The 68-74 Nova will use the same 18x10 with a5.75 backspace that we recommend for the 67-69 Camaros. This is a max fitment, feel free to use anything smaller. Also feel free to measure your own car to double check that recommendation if you are using other suspension components in addition to / instead of a complete Tru Turn system.
In general, I discourage our guys from making a specific wheel fitment recommendations because we can never get all the accurate data needed to make such a recommendation. Even with the Tru Tirn system many people insist on using their own recipe of components that proper wheel fitment can be elusive. As has been pointed out in other threads, there is no substitution for measuring your own car.
I happen to know that this wheel dimension will work on the Nova because I personally installed the wheels of the 48 Hour Camaro on Dan Ballards Nova at RTTH 3 years ago so he could make some runs to see how the system worked.

[BBC71Nova]

Personally I would mockup the kit and then rent/borrow/make a wheel fitment too or similar to try and figure it out that way. Waaaay too many variables and ending up with incorrect custom wheels gets expensive fast. Also what someone else may tolerate, e.g. rubbing, limited turn radius, you may not. I have similar setup on mocked up on my Nova and I'm only running an 8" wheel with the max backspace VWW could possibly get on the wheel. I still think my setup is tight and interferes with the fender lip when compressed while turning. I've eyeballed others that run them without issue so I think it will be fine but it absolutely would rub or worse under the correct bump/turn conditions.

[medici78]

I have the Tru Turn setup on my '71 Nova and was thinking of going with a Steeroids rack-and-pinion setup. Has this been tried with the TruTurn? What would be the issue that would prevent using it?

[dhutton]

I have the Tru Turn setup on my '71 Nova and was thinking of going with a Steeroids rack-and-pinion setup. Has this been tried with the TruTurn? What would be the issue that would prevent using it?

Curious why you would be considering that over a quality box with rack and pinion valving.

Don

[MCB Matt]

I would stay away from the "Steeroids" rack system... Rear Steer cars don't do well with rack installs AT ALL!!!

Stick with a good box, you will be VERY glad you did!

DSE is backordered on their Delphi boxes, as is Lee until June-July... There are other options though, let me know if I can help out.

Matt

[eric1967]

I have the Tru Turn setup on my '71 Nova and was thinking of going with a Steeroids rack-and-pinion setup. Has this been tried with the TruTurn? What would be the issue that would prevent using it?

Have you driven your car with the Tru Turn?

[MCB Matt]

I have the Tru Turn setup on my '71 Nova and was thinking of going with a Steeroids rack-and-pinion setup. Has this been tried with the TruTurn? What would be the issue that would prevent using it?

The Tru Turn system is used in place of the factory center link, tie rod ends, and steering arms... It isn't something you would use WITH a rack, it would be one or the other...

The Tru Turn will FAR out perform the rack, search the forum for guys running it on 67-69 Camaro's, you will get far more hits most likely.

Matt

[medici78]

All points noted. My car is still in the build phase so I was considering my options.

[q67]

I just wanted to share with every one what I dreamed up. This allows me to run 5.5 - 6 inch back space, you can use any spindle and it cost me $30 bucks a side. I have it on my 67 and 69. I have been running it on my 67 camaro for 8 years now, no issues, no bump steer.
It allows the tie rod to tuck inside the rim.

[67SSDan]

Okay, so reading through all the posts here and else where... let me see if I get this right.

My current setup is a DSE Speedkit 3 with the ATS AFX spindles. I'm running a LS6 with the Holley / Hooker swap parts (long tubes and 302-2 oil pan). My wheels are 17x8 with 5.25 backspace and the steering arm / tie rod end are so close to the wheel that if there is a balancing weight on the inside wheel lip, the weight smacks the tie rod end.

From what I understand, switching to Tru Turn would solve my wheel fitment issues, but I'd need to ditch my AFX spindles (anyone want them?) and go with the ridetech ones. I'd then have clearance issues with my motor and would need to potentially move the motor back a bit and potentially dimple one of the headers.

Is all that right? At the beginning of this thread, there was some discussion about everything working with the AFX spindles, but now on the ridetech site it says you have to use the Ridetech spindle in the FAQ.

Thoughts?

This is such a pain.

Dan

[67SSDan]

I just wanted to share with every one what I dreamed up. This allows me to run 5.5 - 6 inch back space, you can use any spindle and it cost me $30 bucks a side. I have it on my 67 and 69. I have been running it on my 67 camaro for 8 years now, no issues, no bump steer.
It allows the tie rod to tuck inside the rim.

Well that's an interesting solution. Any opinions from others on this?

Dan

[paul pembleton]

How did you make out with big block header clearance? I have a complete front ridetech kit coming this week and have Hooker super comps / 454