PHR: ATS spindle ad

[yody]

Okay, you spindle is very nice, and not to downplay it at all, just playing the other side, but how do you add on the lower control arms? what about your spindle changes the need/not need for lower control arms?

[wickedmotorhead]

HAHA Jody

You are correct for the most part lower control arms do nothing for geometry (with the exception of DSE's with the added caster). Typically control arms are bought together as a set and Tyler was making a mere common comparison. Obviously geometry is not the only comparison here. You are getting a lot more benefits from the spindle other than that (i.e. sealed LARGE bearing pack, lightweight, bolt on C5 brakes, etc.).

The AFX Spindle is just another way of getting the similar results with a few added benefits. We are not discrediting the control arms just pointing out how our spindle corrects the geometry as well. We have measured the camber/caster curves and pivot points for Stock, Gulstrand, DSE, GW, and Speetech arms and we know how our geometry stacks up. More trick components coming soon!

Shane

[rohrt]

HAHA Jody

We have measured the camber/caster curves and pivot points for Stock, Gulstrand, DSE, GW, and Speetech arms and we know how our geometry stacks up.

Shane

This is data I would like to see!

[chicane67]

This is data I would like to see!

Of course you would...... so does everyone else. My suggestion would be that everyone go out and purchase the required tools and find the answers for yourselves. It would be a great learning experience for all who do........

There has to be a point in which we draw-the-line and take note that some information is proprietary, not only to ourselves, but to the other manufacturers as well. Although I have been given explicit permission from all involved manufacturers (except for one of them eh! and Ill let you guess who that was) there was some spoken hesitance in the idea of actually publishing the numbers from other manufacturers...... other than our own numbers from our own products.

Very soon, there will be A-B comparisons of the products involved from an instrumented chassis and at that point, I believe we will be in a better position to provide emperical data and show what can be accomplished with each set up.

Our squirrely counterpart, Shane, will be providing some graphical representations of the geometries on the table for discussion. We surely dont do the 'smoke and mirrors' thing and want to provide as much information to the consumer as we can...... but, we will do so with the best interests and mutual respect for ourselves and for the other manufacturers that this involves.

That's if you all can wait....... for the proof is in the pudding....... as long as it wasnt from SEMA 2004

[baz67]

As the one who had done most of the data collecting, around 80 hrs, I will back up what chicane has said.

I promise there will not be any talk of donkeys or feelings, just tech.

That's if you all can wait....... for the proof is in the pudding....... as long as it wasnt from SEMA 2004

Wait THAT was pudding!!