Tattoos

[Mathius]

I've been very patient with this thread and I have overlooked a number of very disrespectful and insulting comments. I'm done with that.

Again, disrespectful from your perspective. I'm not even going to bother responding to very ridiculous statement in that rant of yours.

Why don't we start with this?

You have the balls to tell me I'm out of line for what you perceiving as me _judging_ other people's experience when one of your fellow moderators has pretty much called me a liar for giving mine? And now YOU tell me my experience doesn't mean crap? Whatever dude.

Second:



normal:
1 something that is normal is how you expect it to be, and is not unusual or surprising in any way

2 someone who is normal is like most people in the way that they think, behave, or
look

I can use the word "normal" because "normal" people are the people I see every day. Every time I walk into a store, stop at a garage to get an oil change, stop to get gas, go to a job site, stop in at the shop, go to a restaurant, stop at a bank, etc. etc. Get the picture yet?

I GUARANTEE the number of people working these common jobs that I see every day outnumber the people who get flown out of town for a job interview.

Third.

If you don't understand the english language, don't take it out on me. You continue to make assumptions and even state that this is right and proper about what I"m thinking. Who do you think you are exactly that you think you can read my mind and know what I'm thinking?

I may misspeak sometimes because I'm certainly not perfect, but I try to say exactly what I mean. If I say, IMO something is arrogant, that's not the same thing as calling someone arrogant. If I say I don't think someone is properly grounded, that's a statement of opinion, it's not an accusation.

And if I start a thread asking about the general acceptance of the business world in regards to tattoos, that sure as hell doesn't mean I'm looking for YOU to get stuck on the architectural and engineer thing just because I mentioned it's a possibility for me. I have a year and a half before I finish my current training credits. Then I have about double those credits just for an associates degree. A lot will change between then and now, so I don't need to listen to you list a bunch of specifics about two job titles and then tell me I don't have a clue what I'm talking about.

You know what? I know exactly what I'm talking about because I'm making a blanket statement about my own personal experiences and I'm not talking about some damn architect job or engineering job.

Mathius

[wmhjr]

I'm not judging anyone, I'm just putting things into perspective. I don't expect someone who puts $50k-$100k into their car to know how someone like me who's serving an apprenticeship and lives in a 1 bedroom apartment by himself goes about his daily life anymore than I know how someone who can afford to drop $10k-$20k on a project car lives their lives.

Mathius, get off your high horse and stop. That comment above really makes my blood boil. Pal, I got where I am (wherever that is) by starting out EXACTLY like that. No, let me correct that. I had less, worked harder and sacrificed a heck of a lot more than that. For a lot less money. A LOT less money. What you've put into perspective for me is that your perspective is incredibly self-centered. I mean no insult, and I mean that directly and honestly. If that comment IS insulting that's up to you. You make assumption after assumption about people, business, the world and you label others because they don't share your point of view. Yet, you seemingly haven't done a darned thing that might validate your perspective. Go start a company. Put your life on the line. Hire other people. Have your entire financial condition be based on your ability to inter-relate with others not of your own personal culture. Maybe then you'll have a leg to stand on. Until then, you're just slamming others when you don't have any skin in the game yourself, and you have zero experience. But you're sure willing to make assumptions.

For you to assume that because people put money into their cars they just aren't "grounded" or aren't "normal" is the HEIGHT of ASS(UMPTIONS).

I'll be honest with you. I was kind of giving you some leeway until now because I figured "heck, he's young. I was young and naieve once". But these recent comments make me think quite differently.

Let me make one thing crystal clear to you. Instead of changing my mind or making me question whether my reluctance to consider things like very visible tattoos is a bad thing, you've only made me even more convinced that I've been correct all along. Now before I say what I'm going to say, let me in full disclosure state again that you may well be a great guy who I could share a beer with. BUT, based on the comments in this thread, I would never, ever consider hiring you for any position. My earlier comment about people demanding to display their "different appearance" regardless of corporate etiquette possibly showing that the person may have either an inability to compromise, or a selfishness that could compromise commercial interests turns out to be very accurate.

This thread really ought to be locked. It's clear to me that the OP has no interest whatsoever in hearing any response back other than what he'd like to hear, and frankly I'm tired of seeing people get labeled and accused of being "insensitive" or whatever. Frankly, any time I need lectured by somebody about something they have absolutely no knowledge of or experience with, I'll stop at my nearest junior high school.

[Damn True]

Mathius,

I'm being completely honest here. I'm laughing my everloving kiester off at this entire thread. You amuse me...

But, I'm drawing the line at you insulting other members of the board who have gone out of their way to advise you regarding your potential career paths. I, and many others took time to thoughtfully answer your question as a means of guiding you toward making a sound judgment that will, should you pursue it, forever impact your professional life. You have time and again insulted, disrespected and impugned the character of the respondents to this thread. I'm not going to put up with that.

The following will serve you well if you are ever able to drop the tool belt and move into a professional environment. You will make mistakes and you will say the wrong thing from time to time. We all do. You need to learn the following: "Own your words. Apologize for them, learn from them or GTFO. "

It is disrespectful to argue with the content of an answer to a question where the individual has no experience on which to base his argument.

That is a fact.

YOU pitched a fit when YOU were told by people with far more experience in a professional environment than yourself told you what the perception of your potential tattoos might be. You further impugned them in a myrad of ways, even going so far as to question their grounding and cast them as somehow less than hard working and less aware of the lot of someone like yourself. That is insulting and disrespectful. That is a FACT and it won't be tolerated.

Come on man, you are way out over your skis.

Don't apologize to me. I neither need it nor do I want it. But YOU owe an apology to the people who YOU insulted in exchange for thoughtfully offering you the benefit of their knowledge and experience.

[zbugger]

Alright, this one is done.