Rear suspension comparisons for first gen camaros?

[Danksta14]

Ok so I am in the midst of putting together a 69 Camaro PT. I am currently in the process of finding the best rear suspension for the buck. I have been considering the DSE QUADRA 4 link suspension, been looking at the TCI 4 link, also the TCI torque arm 3 link kit. These are primarily the kits I have been checking out. SO my question is what is the best overall kit to go with for street and track use, and why? Also what is the main differance between the Torque arm kit, and the 4link kits?

[ProdigyCustoms]

A lot will depend on what is most important to you, your budget and installation abilities.

In % of importance, what due value most?

Flat out road coarse performance?
Street handling?
Ride?
Drag racing / hooking at the stop light?

[Danksta14]

1) 65%street performance
2) 35%trackracing/ autocross

budget is 1500-3000,,,,looking to spend 2-2.5k on it

dont want to rush, but would like to purchase sooner than later while i have the money!

[ProdigyCustoms]

Does street performance include stop light blast?

[Danksta14]

yea i will probably being redlining off the stoplight once twice a month

[Danksta14]

Also on both the TCI and DSE 4link suspension mini tubbing is added. is minitubbing required with these suspension kits, or is it just suggested if you are adding bigger tires? do u think u could run 315mm/12inch tires without mini tubbing or is that a stretch?

[ProdigyCustoms]

We sell and install 6 different rear suspension solutions including:

in alphabetical order, not order of preference:

Art Morrison, Chris Alston, DSE, Global West, Hotchkis, and Speedtech

You do not have to mini tub with any of those kits you mention. If it were me and straight line was even a little important, I would do a triangle 4 link. A Chris Alston G Link is my favorite easy o install system.

The Quadralink is most likely the best flat out 4 link one can buy if you are doing 150MPH on the road coarse, but has very little anti squat and does not hook great of the light.

Torque arms can do either, hook like crazy or handle, but not at the same time.

The triangle 4 link is the only one that will do all of the above.

Art Morrison has the ultimate triangle 4 link, but it is out of your budget and requires a lot of fabrication including replacing the rear frame rails.

Now one other that can do all is a 3 link, but none are in your budget, and fabrication is extensive.

[arue333]

So i have this same question but am trying to choose between the triangle 4 link and a straight 4 link with a watts link.
Handling is the focus but it will be on the street as well.
What is your thoughts?
67 Camaro

[ProdigyCustoms]

It depends on how the bars are set up, how much bite (anti squat) is built in or available through adjustment.

The Triangle set ups have a bit more anti squat built into them and still handle great.

The other factor is installation. This plays in heavy if your abilities or facilities are limited. Or if your hiring it done. The difference in installation hours can be huge and hours are dollars.

If your skills and facilities are capable, I would de a AME rear clip. If your limited on any of the above, or hiring it done on a budget, i would look at a G Link. NO CUTTING, totally installs under the car and you do not even empty the trunk!

[XLexusTech]

Frank if you had to weigh the G link against the torque arm considering in order the priorities are street performance, drag , road course.

which way would you go?

[ProdigyCustoms]

In that orde, absolutly a G Link. I think the triangle 4 links are the best ALL AROUND easy to install packages of all.

A 3 link still has to be the best ALL ALROUND live axle suspension, the numbers all just say so, but they are extensive installation projects.

[Vegas69]

I've been happy with the ride and handling of my gbar.(Old style modified) It's go pretty decent forward bite. This photo was shot by Sean at Chevy hi performance during apex practice at RTTC. My first wheelie that I know of!

[ProdigyCustoms]

That is really diggin Todd. Car looks great.

[bret]

You might want to consider the AirBar as well. It can be used with ShockWaves for ultimate adjustability or with coilovers to save some coin.
Here are images and video of the system installed on Velocity: http://ridetechgarage.com/more/1968-camaro-velocity/

Here is more product info:
http://www.ridetech.com/shop/suspens...r-systems.html

[BMR Tech]

We have been building torque arm suspensions for 12 years now. Our rear kit for the First and Second Gen cars is a 100% bolt-in, completely adjustable, works with mini-tubs, and uses a Delrin bushed front slider and Watts link. It easily falls within your price range. They are available for the 10 and 12 bolt as well as the Ford 9". For more information, email [email protected] or give us a call at 813-986-9302.

[Danksta14]

Wow with all of these options I am really having trouble now. All of the products look really nice. but have narrowed down to 2...i think. I like the Air Bar system by ridetech and the DSE Quadralink. What are the advantages/disadvantages of a Shochwave suspension, rather than a coil over spring? also compared to the DSE Quadralink which would be a better purchase? i know everyone has there opions but when it comes down to the number i want the best bang for the buck? they are identical in price $2500.? also which is easiest to install?

[DJW32]

From what I have read, the Ride tech rear system is easier to install.

[bret]

Wow with all of these options I am really having trouble now. All of the products look really nice. but have narrowed down to 2...i think. I like the Air Bar system by ridetech and the DSE Quadralink. What are the advantages/disadvantages of a Shochwave suspension, rather than a coil over spring? also compared to the DSE Quadralink which would be a better purchase? i know everyone has there opions but when it comes down to the number i want the best bang for the buck? they are identical in price $2500.? also which is easiest to install?

AirBar:
* Bolt-in installation with no welding or fabrication except for welding the upper 4 link mounts to the rearend housing. Prodigy and Moser have housings with these mounts already installed
* No cutting of floorpan
* Works with DSE minitubs and a 335mm rear tire
* works with ShockWaves or Coilovers
* Triangulated geometry induces no lateral rear axle movement throughout suspension travel

In reality some people just cant get next to using only our special thread rolling fasteners to secure the AirBar cradle and they go ahead and weld the cradle in...its no problem, your choice. Velocity is still running with the bolt-in cradle. I have driven that car reasonably hard for quite some period of time now.
ShockWaves will offer you the ability to tune the car to your liking very quickly...within a few runs...and return it to a comfy ride quality for the ride home. If you are real serious about track performance upgrade to the Titanium series or at least the double adjustable Master series. Much more tuning potential.
With coilovers [even ours] you will need to make a decision about what is more important, ride quality or cornering, and make a spring selection towards that goal.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Velocity is still running with the bolt-in cradle. I have driven that car reasonably hard for quite some period of time now.

Understatment of the year! LOL! I cannot wait to see you beat on something, ROFLMAO!

[Bryce]

Frank,

What the weight differences for these rear suspension kits. I would be interested in the total weight loss/gain when installing these.

Compare to stock rear suspension to the AME 3-link or the torque arm from BMR or the air ride G-link.