alcon vs. others

[hemicuda]

if bad pennys car was sorted on a track with proven parts,THEN WHY DID HE GO TO A RACE WITH PADS THAT WERE NO GOOD FOR THE CAR???????????????????????????So fir this ,he switched to another company beacused he had the wrong parts?????????sounds like some one is steak chewing big time or some one is not telling the WHOLE STORY?????????????????????

[hemicuda]

Do you ever leave your house and go look at other cars???CORVETTE ZR-1'S DO NOT HAVE BREMBO BRAKES!NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER!BULLSHI- NEVERCAME WITH THEM.Corvette zr-1's have GM bulit brakes.Percision forge calipers,one piece design and cost 298$ per caliper.pads are 450$ per wheel and use a carbon fibre rotor and pad.Wht carbon fiber you ask/HEAT!To get rid of it (heat).Again we go back to thermal dynamics but this is like explaining chinese math to a pre school teacher.Most companys bulid this brake cause it sells the truck or car.Did you ever see when todays dumb kids out 26 or bigger wheels on there escalade or denali.Did you ever see when they try to stop the abs comes on or it takes longer to stop.Then you see companies try to sell a kit that involves a bigger rotor and pads and they say it will stop better.Well it does stop better to a point.now the caliper has to work harder ,longer and burn up o-rings.This is beacuse of heat.(thermal dynamics).The same holds true with these cars.people are running pads designed for one thing and rotors designed for some thing else.They have calipers that run on low pressure,some on high pressure.I even seen one pro touring camaro 1969 vintage and this putz ran gm 6 piston calipers off a zo6 on all 4 corners of the car.This person is a total tool and a half!First off the weight bias alone will screw up this system.Then he ran a late model z28 master beacuse he thought that since they have 4 wheel discs,it will work on his car.You see you do not really need a 5$k brake kit to work great.just a little common sense goes a long way.Now getting back to cross drilled drums.Why does this seem so odd to you?It is a truck,there is no weight in the bed and when you have an application like this,adding crazy brakes and and buliding a 4-5$k system seems stupid.Sway bars and shocks with correct valving and good tires all bulid a great mouse trap.We all know this ,since we spend big money on our cars and trucks.But one thing that I noticed about your cars and the one we use around here.ENGINE!This is what YOU are using on yours and mine.I have seen your videosabout pro-touring and one thing I noticed................you guys all keep your cars in 1st or 2nd gear and go around the track and at the end you slam on the brakes or coast through.On this application you could run a stock 6cyl nova brakes and they would never get hot.Lets be honest here,we all run what we think is best..........right?The person who bulit motiv8r ran wilwood.Thats what he likes.you run alcan.you think that they are good.as the old germen saying goes .................k sa ra sa ra!

[TitoJones]

Do you ever leave your house and go look at other cars???CORVETTE ZR-1'S DO NOT HAVE BREMBO BRAKES!NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER!BULLSHI- NEVERCAME WITH THEM.Corvette zr-1's have GM bulit brakes.

Hmmmm...

http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-zr1/features-specs/
Do me a favor and just have a quick look at that page. Tell me if you see what I see.

This is from GM, the manufacturer of the ZR1 Corvette:

Brembo® carbon-ceramic brakes

Don't believe me still? How about you take it from Brembo then.

http://www.brembo.com/US/Cars/Corvette2/



I can see how the word 'Corvette' may be misleading to you. I can put what ever I want on any caliper in the world, but it doesn't change the way they work, or who made them. The other brakes like on the Z06? Still not made my GM. Made by PBR Australia. Stick to what you know, which in this case, is not much.

Hmmm. You are losing all credibility my friend.


Tyler

[hemicuda]

Well seeing how I had to replace the one caliper in my vette,the box says right on it;BULIT BY DELCO_MORAINE.NOT BREMBO!!!!Well i have to say that after looking at your web site it is no wonder you are defending those brakes.......................................with the prices you charge I can see why you are getting hot around the collar.if any of your customers ever found out that you could have sold a asif or better product,they would be bent.I guess with the prices you are charging I guess you CAN throw away good money on OTHER stuff.As for as the pictures;what are you showing me?Two cars out of 50 with some one elses parts.yeah and?Do you know wht those rotors are hot?Which one do you think it is.is it gasses or moving friction?Well you think about the answer and let me know.Nextel cup cars rotors and according to YOU have less turns and there fore less stoping.Remove your diaper and think!Did you notice the lettering on the rotor on the corvette.What do YOU think it means?After seeing how much you rap-ah I mean sell for brembos,I would defend them to.You bulid what you think is good and I will race with what I know works.See ya and have a happy...

[TitoJones]

Well seeing how I had to replace the one caliper in my vette,the box says right on it;BULIT BY DELCO_MORAINE.NOT BREMBO!!!!Well i have to say that after looking at your web site it is no wonder you are defending those brakes.......................................with the prices you charge I can see why you are getting hot around the collar.if any of your customers ever found out that you could have sold a asif or better product,they would be bent.I guess with the prices you are charging I guess you CAN throw away good money on OTHER stuff.As for as the pictures;what are you showing me?Two cars out of 50 with some one elses parts.yeah and?Do you know wht those rotors are hot?Which one do you think it is.is it gasses or moving friction?Well you think about the answer and let me know.Nextel cup cars rotors and according to YOU have less turns and there fore less stoping.Remove your diaper and think!Did you notice the lettering on the rotor on the corvette.What do YOU think it means?After seeing how much you rap-ah I mean sell for brembos,I would defend them to.You bulid what you think is good and I will race with what I know works.See ya and have a happy...

Wait; now you own a 2009 ZR1? Post pictures of this beast! Post a picture of you holding a sign next to it that says Tito Jones is an assh*le.

I have the manufacturers suggested retail on my website as per my dealer rules and regulations. Do I sell them at that price? Not typically. Are they as cheap as a set of Wilwoods? Not even close. You could get 2 sets of Wilwoods for the price of the AP Racing or Brembo setups on the ATS site.

You stated something that is so damn wrong it isn't even funny; I provided a fact. Present day ZR1 Corvettes come with Brembo brakes. You getting a replacement part from Autozone for your 1982 Corvette is not the same thing, not the same boat, not even the same subject. I could give 2 sh*ts you replaced a part with an aftermarket non OEM replacement; doesn't change the fact that I proved you wrong.

Carry on with your tech-less vomit.

Tyler

[TitoJones]

Well seeing how I had to replace the one caliper in my vette,the box says right on it;BULIT BY DELCO_MORAINE.NOT BREMBO!!!!

with the high price that you charge to bulid one of your cars,factoring time for labor,price of part and car itself ,and seeing how many gm parts you use it is cheaper to buy a zo6,put on race tires and have the same car but with a gm warranty!

This is where you don't make sense. You claim to own a ZR1 Corvette. You claim you had a leaking caliper, that YOU replaced yourself with an AC Delco part.

Why would you have to replace anything, especially a safety item like a brake caliper on a brand new car with a warranty?

Does. Not. Compute.

Also- Damn True- Great post, thank you for further proving my point.

Tyler

[TitoJones]

you sent me two link for a car calles BAD PENNY.Okay what am I supposed to see here?The car is in a nice shade of orange.looks like a factory chrysler color.nice.okay now what .I always said people from cali were a little off........to the left.

I should have known better than to ask you to read up on a car that puts ZR1 Corvettes to shame on Spring Vally raceway in Pahrump. I'll see what we can do about making a picture book for you that is simple enough that even a guy from New York can understand it. (no offense intended to our other NY members.)

Next time you want to insult me, try to use correct grammar, spaces between your sentences, and capital letters where appropriate. It takes me longer to decipher your posts than it should; quick insults aren't so quick when I have to try and decode your 2nd grade typing level.

Tyler

[jknight16]

This is a great topic, but as Tyler mentioned, should be discussed with Tech and not straight fanboyism (hey, if he can make up words so can I).

Looks like Alcon does offer a C5/C6 replacement setup that would work for people running the AFX spindle or any other C5/C6 based system. Looks like they're radial mounted as well. I'd be interested to see what the bracket looks like to achieve that.

Pricing approaching $4k for the fronts. Very cool. Kinda makes those Brembo Carbon Ceramics from the ZR1 seem like a bit of a bargain!

http://www.alconusa.com/client_images/files/92_593.pdf

[hemicuda]

[mod] facts not insults [/mod]

[hemicuda]

[mod] Take it easy there. [/mod]

[JohnUlaszek]

Way to stay classy for your 14th post.

[hemicuda]

with the high price that you charge to bulid one of your cars,factoring time for labor,price of part and car itself ,and seeing how many gm parts you use it is cheaper to buy a zo6,put on race tires and have the same car but with a gm warranty!