Pro-touring is dead

[rob07002]

PT DEAD????!!!!! Why the F didn't anyone tell me before I sunk sooo much $$$ into my car! Dammit! Guess I need to call my painter and get some pastel blue, and pink mixed up stat. While I'm at it, I should probably replace those 6 pot Wilwoods for some drums and get some Cragers and shag.



C'mon Dave, wake up dude, why such envy?

Even my hardcore dragrace buddies now get it after driving and/or riding in my car. They were not convinced throughout the build, but are now believers.

Who in their right mind wouldn't want a car that handles, brakes, accellerates, and rides better the original?

[406 Q-ship]

We can bitch about what someone else drives. BUT WHY? IF 406 Q-ship wants a jacked up, leaf sprung, long shackled tunnel rammed slobber all over the road ,metal flaked and muraled car,,,,,,,,,,,,,SO BE IT.
But if he doesnt, wants his car to get 25mpg, turn on a dime and stop on same dime, and all his wheels tucked up nice, SO BE IT.
This is our sport/hobby.
And together we all make it live.

Lee if your using me as an example you have definally reached the bottom of the barrel........

Your close but you've got some of the words wrong, like:

not comp 304 hydraulic....simply, "I gotta 3/4 cam", I know some of you guys remember.

yes, air shocks, so you can raise the rearend high enough you could drive a rice burner up under the rearend and with the rear end that high you most certainly have the most controllable car on the block, and don't worry about HID headlights because you now have headlights that point straight to the asphalt about 12" in front of the front bumper!

Of course a tunnel ram, but make sure you put two 780 double pumpers on so you can wash the cylinder walls down with all that gas, (not to mention all the raw gas going out those new "cherry bomb" glass packs!) , yes, hanging just off the collectors of those new headers.

How do I know? as ashamed as I am to say it, I've been there back in the early '70s....

Carl

Please, please......660 center squirters

[audioman]

Screw this thread, real protouring is alive and well.
Congratulations John Parsons, $175K is a good number to me!

I was about to say the same.....

[6'9"Witha69]

flagship?... no, cannot co-sign that.. but it IS a nice car..

If you said penny or motiv8tr or 1lap camaro or Rons mustang.. yea.

make it a Camaro and youd be singing a different rap lyric.. but hell you ARE a pontiac guy so you should know that all too well.

pretty good for 6 posts too... ahhahah nerd burglar..

Shut him down!

[6'9"Witha69]

look .... REALLY.. would you let this guy tell you whats hot or not?

for real?...

flip flops?...

FOR REAL???

Dude wears flip flops crawling through the pick a part. Welding? Flip flops.

[mjdwyer23]

all fun and games until you chop all of your toes off.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Shut him down!

Nick sets the play.. Amir drives up the middle annnnnddd.d.....





SCORE!!!!

[nekkidhillbilly]

donk is where its at break out the 30s and raise that box

[MonzaRacer]

Lee if your using me as an example you have definally reached the bottom of the barrel........





Please, please......660 center squirters

OOOOOOHHHHH boy Im jealous I loved 660s, lost a chance to buy a matched part long time ago.
BUT I do think a tunnel ram with dual throttle bodies would be cool, I honestly had a chance to buy a 60s Comet/Falcon with a straight axle but it wasnt super high, and it really handled well for a straight axle.
I would have yanked the Cleveland, put in a 347, maybe a turbo, better wheels and tires and maybe some air ride and drove it.
But it went and now I have other ideas.
As for using you, sorry but hey I was trying to make a point, IF Dave wants to bash PT let him, lets all be the better sportsman and let it lay.
If someone does something stupid, wait, when they see you ride, drive, turn and stop like a new car, get great mileage and run like stink,,, then others will follow,,,,IF THEY WANT TO.
We have a sport/hobby that can and will continue and grow for some.
But the lady I work with has a Gbody Monte, it has carbe sort of through the hood, big and littles and will barely do a pegleg burnout.
If she brings it in and lets me tune it, she would have a real nice running car.
I hope either the Monza or the Caprice shows what can be done.
Lets lead by example rather than "bashing" like the other guy.

[79-TA]

On what page and which issue does David say Pro-Touring is dead? Or are you reading between the lines?

Yea, source anyone?

And Freiburger did run his sleeper Chevelle at the Goodguys Street Challenge Autocross (editors' challenge) in Costa Mesa this year. I don't think it's fair to say he has any ill will towards muscle cars that handle.

[PT Sportwagon]

As far as I am concerned frieburger is an idiot asshat. that thinks what he know everything about cars and the automotive hobby.

who cares what he says and thinks.

BTW: isn't he a member on here???
Tim

[68Formula]

I just saw in the latest Hot Rod, where he took the Crusher Camaro and purposely fuglied it up.

[ROEINONDUBS]

T/R is crap reminds me of the belair they built on tlc, the candy metal flak one with leafs up front ant purple graphics.

LAMBS!!!!!!!

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

I just saw in the latest Hot Rod, where he took the Crusher Camaro and purposely fuglied it up.

and thats why.. someone revoke the rights to the Crushers keys..

[moparnate]

in my opinion hot rod and car craft, especially car craft is lost and looking for a identity. The leaders of those magazines are stuck in the past and the readers of those magazines are always looking towards the future. Retro is cool but it cannot sustain a magazine when hot rodders are always looking for new ways to make thier cars better, faster, etc. I currently subscribe to car craft and I will cancel my subscription if I see another article done on doug glads stupid rambler. They have done that to death and every other month its on the cover. I open my magazine looking for the next biggest thing being done in the hot rodding hobby, not the last 30 years of tunnel rams and speed boat glitter paint jobs. Handling and braking are a huge part of hot rodding and Dave F has to get with the times. The only magazine I have found that is reporting the current hot rod trends as they come is Popular Hot Rodding and the Good Guys monthly magazine. Its pretty bad when a car clubs monthly news letter is better than a primedia magazine. And dont even get me started about their crappy coverage of the car craft street machine nats. 5000 cars show up and all they show is couple of lousy pages and a full page of junk doing bunouts. What about that autocross? It was awesome but they act as if it didnt even happen. That is at least worth a little attention...The latest magazine just doesnt do that show justice. If your gonna put on one of the countys greatest car shows, at least cover the d#$ show in your magazine so the others who didnt go can see it. OK NOW IM DONE thanks for letting me vent. nate

[Nicks67GTO]

in my opinion hot rod and car craft, especially car craft is lost and looking for a identity. The leaders of those magazines are stuck in the past and the readers of those magazines are always looking towards the future. Retro is cool but it cannot sustain a magazine when hot rodders are always looking for new ways to make thier cars better, faster, etc. I currently subscribe to car craft and I will cancel my subscription if I see another article done on doug glads stupid rambler. They have done that to death and every other month its on the cover. I open my magazine looking for the next biggest thing being done in the hot rodding hobby, not the last 30 years of tunnel rams and speed boat glitter paint jobs. Handling and braking are a huge part of hot rodding and Dave F has to get with the times. The only magazine I have found that is reporting the current hot rod trends as they come is Popular Hot Rodding and the Good Guys monthly magazine. Its pretty bad when a car clubs monthly news letter is better than a primedia magazine. And dont even get me started about their crappy coverage of the car craft street machine nats. 5000 cars show up and all they show is couple of lousy pages and a full page of junk doing bunouts. What about that autocross? It was awesome but they act as if it didnt even happen. That is at least worth a little attention...The latest magazine just doesnt do that show justice. If your gonna put on one of the countys greatest car shows, at least cover the d#$ show in your magazine so the others who didnt go can see it. OK NOW IM DONE thanks for letting me vent. nate

You guys give Car Craft too hard of a time. Its obviously more geared tward the low end buildups. Pro Touring is on the complete opposite end of the spectrum. That little Rambler is pretty cool IMO. I do agree about the coverage of the CC Summer Nats though. It does suck.

[Boatmark]

Whew, came into the discussion late, but after reading six pages of posts let me see if I can paraphrase the consensus here . . . Pro-touring is the be all end all of Hot Rodding, and everything else sucks. Anyone who likes or builds anything else is a moron, and Frieburger should be shot for intimatiing that their are possibly other ways to build a cool car. I'm not sure, but I think that accurately covers 90% of the posts.

I guess I'm stupid, because I thought this whole hobby was about having fun with cars. Build what you want, the way you want. All I see here is a bunch of guys trashing any kind of car that is not what they like. Sorry, but that is just B.S. in my book. Is pro-touring dead? Of course not. But neither are street rods, imports, trucks, pro-street, or any of the other stuff. They are not going away or becoming worthless, just because pro-touring came along.

Call it a character flaw, but I think that if the only thing on the street or in the magazines were Pro-Touring Camaro's, it would be kind of boring. But then again I was in high school in 1980, and the car's in F-burgers article look a lot like the school parking lot. That must make me one of the stuck in the seventies losers you were all talking about.

Better yet, maybe I have some type of multiple personality disorder . . . pro-touring Corvette project, lowered Avalanche driver, lifted seventies pick-up project, and a history that includes a custom van, a beetle, some mainstream american muscle, and one restored british classic. A little of everything, but I lived through it.

Has anyone noticed that one voice we have not heard on this subject is Steve Rupp? Maybe because he knows that that Frieburger is just doing his job coming up with different content and selling magazines . . . and that the rest of this is all about nothing.

[parsonsj]

the rest of this is all about nothing

So why post?

And just a reminder: this is Pro-Touring.com. Of course we will get riled up when a major player at the place formerly known as Primedia says our slice of the hobby is dead. And it isn't the first time Freiburger has done it either.

So let the boys speak their minds a bit. No need to hush 'em up.

jp

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

my post is all about nothing.

[Damn True]

.........this is all about nothing.

I guess you missed post #8