Ran into a 2010 SS camaro today...

[minendrews68]

I like most of it...just don't know about that steering wheel.

[73z-6sp]

i think the dash is FUGLY

I heard that! I'm just not digging the car much. Maybe it will grow on me.

[CanAmNova]

If the people on this website don't like this car, then perhaps the market for the moderately priced American V8 performance car is truly dead. Very sad...

[LateNight72]

Some people just like to knock GM stuff I think. Let's face it, put Impala badges on a new Maybach and people would knock the interior and the fit and finish.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

+1


That is all.

[IBDMANN]

that car is awesome. seen one at the car show and it attracted a big crowd

[Tony_SS]

If the people on this website don't like this car, then perhaps the market for the moderately priced American V8 performance car is truly dead. Very sad...

I don't think its horrible, just bland. The best way I can describe it overall is that it lacks any form of cohesive gestalt.

I've been a Chevy guy since before I learn to drive, and for the first time in my life, I'd buy a Mopar over one.

This just has it.

[YancyJohns]

Bill and I here in Detroit for AutoRama and Pre-Production Camaro's are all over the place. Bob Johnson got us in the Heritage collection, it was awesome. It was well worth the trip. They had one sitting outside, with a real vin# of 45, GM guy said the have 400 running around and he said they will be shipping Camaro's out next week. I can't wait till mine come in.
Cooper's 32' is out of this world, I can't say enough about Alan's work..

[Derek69SS]

This just has it.

Except it's the size of a school bus...

I love the Camaro, but the dash is a little bland. Steering wheel and gauges look fine to me, just the passenger side has nothing.

The Challenger, it actually kind of made sense to go full-retro on it, since there was only one style of them. Even in good economic conditions, this would be a 3-5 year design, most likely with nothing to follow it, since there's little room for change. Toward the end of the 3-5 years, they'll be adding horsepower and colors in order to keep selling new ones.

The Mustang IMHO painted themselves into a corner on the styling... they really can't do much to update their current design, and coming up with a new design to follow it will be very difficult. Who wants to buy a 2012 Mustang II ??? They'll have to go back to "modern" looking in the next generation, and I think it will be a tough sell after this design, since they changed their entire consumer base (from young kids and women, to middle aged men) getting those people that used to buy modern looking Mustangs back will be tough.

The Camaro evolved for 35 years, so taking a giant step back and cloning a 1st gen would have been a mistake, if they want to keep building the Camaro in the future. If this Camaro return is a 3-5 year thing with no intention to keep going beyond that, then it probably would have worked well for them. I'm hoping this design was "planned obsolescence" in order to keep building them for many years to come. They built a car they could continue to make changes to, to keep selling them later.

IMHO, most of the internet critics of any of these cars only think about what they want right now with no thought put into what it will take to keep selling them in the future. They want you to like this style, but they want you to like the next one even better, so you trade it in for a new one.

[Damn True]

Except it's the size of a school bus...

I love the Camaro, but the dash is a little bland. Steering wheel and gauges look fine to me, just the passenger side has nothing.

The Challenger, it actually kind of made sense to go full-retro on it, since there was only one style of them. Even in good economic conditions, this would be a 3-5 year design, most likely with nothing to follow it, since there's little room for change. Toward the end of the 3-5 years, they'll be adding horsepower and colors in order to keep selling new ones.

The Mustang IMHO painted themselves into a corner on the styling... they really can't do much to update their current design, and coming up with a new design to follow it will be very difficult. Who wants to buy a 2012 Mustang II ??? They'll have to go back to "modern" looking in the next generation, and I think it will be a tough sell after this design, since they changed their entire consumer base (from young kids and women, to middle aged men) getting those people that used to buy modern looking Mustangs back will be tough.

The Camaro evolved for 35 years, so taking a giant step back and cloning a 1st gen would have been a mistake, if they want to keep building the Camaro in the future. If this Camaro return is a 3-5 year thing with no intention to keep going beyond that, then it probably would have worked well for them. I'm hoping this design was "planned obsolescence" in order to keep building them for many years to come. They built a car they could continue to make changes to, to keep selling them later.

IMHO, most of the internet critics of any of these cars only think about what they want right now with no thought put into what it will take to keep selling them in the future. They want you to like this style, but they want you to like the next one even better, so you trade it in for a new one.

Ding, ding, ding!
Winner.

[CanAmNova]

Except it's the size of a school bus...

I love the Camaro, but the dash is a little bland. Steering wheel and gauges look fine to me, just the passenger side has nothing.

The Challenger, it actually kind of made sense to go full-retro on it, since there was only one style of them. Even in good economic conditions, this would be a 3-5 year design, most likely with nothing to follow it, since there's little room for change. Toward the end of the 3-5 years, they'll be adding horsepower and colors in order to keep selling new ones.

The Mustang IMHO painted themselves into a corner on the styling... they really can't do much to update their current design, and coming up with a new design to follow it will be very difficult. Who wants to buy a 2012 Mustang II ??? They'll have to go back to "modern" looking in the next generation, and I think it will be a tough sell after this design, since they changed their entire consumer base (from young kids and women, to middle aged men) getting those people that used to buy modern looking Mustangs back will be tough.

The Camaro evolved for 35 years, so taking a giant step back and cloning a 1st gen would have been a mistake, if they want to keep building the Camaro in the future. If this Camaro return is a 3-5 year thing with no intention to keep going beyond that, then it probably would have worked well for them. I'm hoping this design was "planned obsolescence" in order to keep building them for many years to come. They built a car they could continue to make changes to, to keep selling them later.

IMHO, most of the internet critics of any of these cars only think about what they want right now with no thought put into what it will take to keep selling them in the future. They want you to like this style, but they want you to like the next one even better, so you trade it in for a new one.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. I think that talented designers would have no problem evolving the designs of any of these cars for a next generation. Are you really saying that the early seventies Mustang had to stylistically evolve into the Mustang II? What if the gas crunch had never hit in the seventies and the muscle car era had just continued and evolved from the late sixties into the seventies. Those designs themes would have kept going and changing. It could be the same way with this new generation of cars, they can be altered and changed over time. Heck, they've already done it with the 2010 Mustang! They changed it just enough to freshen the design and make it desirable to a new set of buyers. Why couldn't this be done for the Challenger and the Camaro as well? Besides, a lot of iconic cars from the past got that way because they changed very little over the years, some examples: VW Beetle, Mini Cooper, 2nd Gen Camaro and Firebird (ran for 11 years), '87-'93 Mustang (six years with almost no changes at all).

If I may stir the pot a little further, I think that a lot of the people that are putting these new cars down have short memories. I grew up in the seventies and eighties. I remember when the Camaro and Mustang were OK cars, but they always had major flaws. First you couldn't get a manual with the Camaro, then you couldn't get it with the TPI 350. The Mustang always had crappy brakes, it didn't even have disc brakes on the back. Oh and let's remember that all through the eighties these cars only put out less than 250 HP. Don't even get me started on the Challenger and Charger in the eighties with their fwd and four cylinders. The nineties saw some improvements in the Camaro and Mustang but they still had some major flaws. The Camaro suffered from a bland design IMO, not to mention a huge hump in the passenger foot well for the cat--who's brilliant idea was that one? The Mustang's handleing left a lot to be desired. Anyway, my point is that I'm thrilled to see this new generation of muscle cars! They are really what I've been waiting for for many years--cars with great handleing, great brakes, powerfull engines, great styling--really what else do we want? There is not going to be a perfect car out there, it's never going to happen. There will always be small compromises, but I think that there are very few compromises with any of this new batch of muscle cars. Besides do we really want something so watered down that it pleases everyone all the time?

[moreHP]

I hear you on the new muscle thing! I was really happy that the big 3 were going to start making "hot rods" again. Especially since I wasnt around for the first go around of muscle cars. Then the economy takes a giant dive and the wars over before it began. I can count on one hand how many challengers I have seen on the road since they came out. There are lots of mustangs out there, but most are the V6 version. I hope the camaro sells well. I know I would sure like to buy one!

[Tony_SS]

First off, it's not my job to sell cars. That's GM's. I'm the customer, so I can be an internet critic.

Anyway, you know what they say about opinions... here are mine:

The interior looks bland, and really cramped. This exterior styling is mediorcre at best. Overall, styling-wise, I give the production model an F for lack of execution. Its up ends being a tron-like representation of a first gen, with an awkward front and rear-end.

Camaro's will always have their base, and I think those folks are satisfied with the outcome. But I doubt they'll bring many new customers into the fold, much other brand loyalists over to Chevys side with that Camaro.

The Challenger, IMO, captures the essence of a modern classic. They didn't try to reinvent the wheel.. the just played the winning hand. Sure, they're big, but so were the originals.

I've always been a GM guy, and I want them to succeed.. but I just don't think its gonna happen if this is their answer. But I'm glad to see them trying at least.

[69496]

I agree with the last couple of posts. Remember what they were producing in the 80's and 90's. I also waited and waited for something decent to come along. The fox body mustangs and 3rd generation camaros where ok but nothing to write home about. To me we have had a huge jump in styling and performance with the arrival of the new mustangs, challengers and now camaros. Could they be better, ofcourse. We will never have a car that everyone will love but the point I am trying to make is there is a big effort being made to produce better modern day muscle cars. Unfortunatly with todays economics this may be a short lived revival. I have a gut feeling the cars we love will become dinosaurs once again in the neer future. But atleast we will have some on the road and can hot rod and modify them for years to come wether or not they keep making them

[CanAmNova]

First off, it's not my job to sell cars. That's GM's. I'm the customer, so I can be an internet critic.

Anyway, you know what they say about opinions... here are mine:

The interior looks bland, and really cramped. This exterior styling is mediorcre at best. Overall, styling-wise, I give the production model an F for lack of execution. Its up ends being a tron-like representation of a first gen, with an awkward front and rear-end.

Camaro's will always have their base, and I think those folks are satisfied with the outcome. But I doubt they'll bring many new customers into the fold, much other brand loyalists over to Chevys side with that Camaro.

The Challenger, IMO, captures the essence of a modern classic. They didn't try to reinvent the wheel.. the just played the winning hand. Sure, they're big, but so were the originals.

I've always been a GM guy, and I want them to succeed.. but I just don't think its gonna happen if this is their answer. But I'm glad to see them trying at least.

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I think the styling of the new Camaro is outstanding! I don't see the interior as bland at all. I like the way the dash blends into the door panels. The gauges, center console, and steering wheel are anything but bland. Bland as compared to what? Seriously.

As for the exterior treatment, well with the Camaro we don't have the slab sided treatment that the Challenger got (although I like the way the new Challenger looks too). There are the same signature bulges over the rear wheel openings that the 1st gen has that give the car that muscular, hunkered down look. The rear view looks fantastic to me. It has a nice connection to the Corvette with the tail lights and we finally have a real trunk instead of a hatchback. Of all of the features of the new Camaro I can see the front as being the most polarizing. I guess it's a like it or hate it design, but I applaud GM for giving us a design with a little risk taking to it. I just can't understand someone calling the design mediocre. Mediocre as compared to what other car? It in many ways the new Camaro's design is a lot edgier than the new Corvette's--is that mediocre as well? What other car even remotely close to the new Camaro's price range has a design that is dramatically better?

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

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[LateNight72]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. I think that talented designers would have no problem evolving the designs of any of these cars for a next generation. Are you really saying that the early seventies Mustang had to stylistically evolve into the Mustang II? What if the gas crunch had never hit in the seventies and the muscle car era had just continued and evolved from the late sixties into the seventies. Those designs themes would have kept going and changing. It could be the same way with this new generation of cars, they can be altered and changed over time. Heck, they've already done it with the 2010 Mustang! They changed it just enough to freshen the design and make it desirable to a new set of buyers. Why couldn't this be done for the Challenger and the Camaro as well? Besides, a lot of iconic cars from the past got that way because they changed very little over the years, some examples: VW Beetle, Mini Cooper, 2nd Gen Camaro and Firebird (ran for 11 years), '87-'93 Mustang (six years with almost no changes at all).

If I may stir the pot a little further, I think that a lot of the people that are putting these new cars down have short memories. I grew up in the seventies and eighties. I remember when the Camaro and Mustang were OK cars, but they always had major flaws. First you couldn't get a manual with the Camaro, then you couldn't get it with the TPI 350. The Mustang always had crappy brakes, it didn't even have disc brakes on the back. Oh and let's remember that all through the eighties these cars only put out less than 250 HP. Don't even get me started on the Challenger and Charger in the eighties with their fwd and four cylinders. The nineties saw some improvements in the Camaro and Mustang but they still had some major flaws. The Camaro suffered from a bland design IMO, not to mention a huge hump in the passenger foot well for the cat--who's brilliant idea was that one? The Mustang's handleing left a lot to be desired. Anyway, my point is that I'm thrilled to see this new generation of muscle cars! They are really what I've been waiting for for many years--cars with great handleing, great brakes, powerfull engines, great styling--really what else do we want? There is not going to be a perfect car out there, it's never going to happen. There will always be small compromises, but I think that there are very few compromises with any of this new batch of muscle cars. Besides do we really want something so watered down that it pleases everyone all the time?

This is the next mustang. Not sure I consider it "Eye-pleasing"

[CanAmNova]

This is the next mustang. Not sure I consider it "Eye-pleasing"

I call BS on that one, that's a picture of a concept car and is NOT the next Mustang. It may contain some styling cues of the next car but is not the next gen car. Here's some pics of the real 2010 GT500. Are you really saying that if someone threw you the keys to that thing that you'd throw 'em back?

[BonzoHansen]

I don't think its horrible, just bland. The best way I can describe it overall is that it lacks any form of cohesive gestalt.

I've been a Chevy guy since before I learn to drive, and for the first time in my life, I'd buy a Mopar over one.

This just has it.

IMO that car looks better in pics than in person. In person its sheer size and the flat sided design all the chryslers have kind of weaken the package.

[rogue]

IMO that car looks better in pics than in person. In person its sheer size and the flat sided design all the chryslers have kind of weaken the package.

100% agree. The new challenger is a monster of a car. Huge proportions. Looks much better in pictures

[Damn True]

IMO that car looks better in pics than in person. In person its sheer size and the flat sided design all the chryslers have kind of weaken the package.

IMO it looks better in almost every color but that orange as well. It just looks bulbous and huge in orange. Much better in black or silver.