X33 Camaro

[70LS1NOVA]

What's the big deal about an X33 69 camaro? what makes it better than a non X 69 camaro? Would the purists be mad if I cut one up and made it pro-touring? Not that I care about upsetting purists, but what makes the X more valuable? Anyone know?

[MuscleRodz]

What's the big deal about an X33 69 camaro? what makes it better than a non X 69 camaro? Would the purists be mad if I cut one up and made it pro-touring? Not that I care about upsetting purists, but what makes the X more valuable? Anyone know?

X33 tag means it was a real Z/28, if in fact the tag is not a reproduction, or been pulled froman original junker and put on another car. Wide spread belief that there are more Z/28's now than GM ever produced. Is the original drivetrain there?

[70LS1NOVA]

I was thinking the same thing with the cowl tag. Should this have some sort of build sheet like you would find with a real GTO? The seller says "it comes with components of a DZ 302 engine, honed block, rebuilt heads, nice carb, nice intake, nice distributor." Our intention would be to buy it and make it pro touring, but if it's a real x car, maybe resto. So, X basically just designates it as a real Z28?

[MuscleRodz]

I was thinking the same thing with the cowl tag. Should this have some sort of build sheet like you would find with a real GTO? The seller says "it comes with components of a DZ 302 engine, honed block, rebuilt heads, nice carb, nice intake, nice distributor." Our intention would be to buy it and make it pro touring, but if it's a real x car, maybe resto. So, X basically just designates it as a real Z28?

"X" does not denote Z/28, "33" does. Go over to Team Camaro forums, post pics, and they can tell you if it is a real deal. If the stampings and date codes match, restore it or sell it to someone who will. Some of the original piarts like altermators, distributors, and other misc parts can be worth stupid money. Original build sheet would have been on top of the fuel tank. Unlike Pontiac who has all the original records, Chevy did not do the same which has made documentation very hard on cars without it.

[dropit69]

here this will help ...if you click on cowl codes it will give you a list of what they mean..i would redo it to a true z if the numbers match..http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#XnnCodes

[70LS1NOVA]

Thanks!

[buickfunnycar.com]

X-77=Norwood,OH-built base Z/28
X-33=Norwood,OH-built higher-trim level Z/28

Keep in mind that Van Nuys,CA built 1969 Camaro's did not use an "X-coding" system...just Norwood,OH built Camaro's.

[TT302Z28]

The X33 will denote that it was a Z/28, but there are alot more issues than that to look at. We buy and restore z/28's and when looking for projects I find alot of fakes. You can have new trim tags made and turn any body into a Z/28.

The other things to look at are:

Does it have the 4 leaf springs in the back?
Must have come with 15" rims
12 bolt with 3:73 was standard but could be changed to other ratios.
Most had the D80 spoiler
Non of them ever came with power steering or A/C.
The most important part is the "DZ" engine code. It will be on the block, carb, distributor, and trans.

Could be an RS also.

There is nothing better than winding up an original 302. My first car (I still have) is a 68 z/28. I could shift from 1st to 4th at 45 or it would shift at 7000rpm all day long.

[TT302Z28]

Sorry, just a quick correction....some did come with power steering but not many.

[buickfunnycar.com]

Sorry, just a quick correction....some did come with power steering but not many.

Was gonna correct you on that one...also,the larger fuel line and the exhaust hangers are more indications of stock Z/28 hardware...or at the very least an SS performance model.

For the record,neither of my Norwood-built Z/28's came with power steering.

[JEFFTATE]

If it's mostly still intact, (ie: It has the original numbers matching drivetrain, etc.) then restore it to original.
If it's missing the original components , then make it a Z28 clone or make it a Z28 clone/ Restomod.

[Charley Lillard]

The X33 will denote that it was a Z/28, but there are alot more issues than that to look at. We buy and restore z/28's and when looking for projects I find alot of fakes. You can have new trim tags made and turn any body into a Z/28.

The other things to look at are:

Does it have the 4 leaf springs in the back?
Must have come with 15" rims
12 bolt with 3:73 was standard but could be changed to other ratios.
Most had the D80 spoiler
Non of them ever came with power steering or A/C.
The most important part is the "DZ" engine code. It will be on the block, carb, distributor, and trans.

Could be an RS also.

There is nothing better than winding up an original 302. My first car (I still have) is a 68 z/28. I could shift from 1st to 4th at 45 or it would shift at 7000rpm all day long.

The DZ code will only be on the block and carb. Not the dist or trans. The reason to not make it a Pro touring car is that you could sell it to a collector and buy a non X33 car for less money in comparable condition. Be warned though that they make fake X33 tags to fake Z28's. Post a pic of the tag.