who's used lizard skin

[jonnyc]

i'm getting the car blasted in a week or two and was going to use the ceramic insulater on the exterior floorpan and the sound control on the interior.
my question is,can i use a cheap $30 cup gun to spray it on or do you have to use the $150 gun they offer with it?
if you have to use the $150 one,is there anyone that would want to rent theirs out?

[bri-rock]

jonny, I used lizard skin and bought the gun. I had the body shop do the application so I don't really know if it was necessary or not. I am willing to rent it out. PM me.

[redss86]

I don't think you have to use their exact gun, but you do have to use some sort of large viscosity gun. You can't spray it with any old gun and cup because it is WAY to thick. You will either have to use their gun or a bedliner type gun. I don't know this for sure, beings I haven't used it. This is just going off what I have seen, and what I know as a bodyman/ painter.

Joe

[DLinson]

I sprayed the entire inside of my Nova with Lizard skin. I purchased a cheap gun and hose kit from them but I don't think it is necessary. The gun is a simple syphon gun used with cheap sandblasters. The kit also cam with a 5 foot or so length of heater hose or a similar thick wall sturdy hose that will not collaps. It also included a steel tube that is submursed in the Lizard Skin material. The rubber hose is then connected to the tube and the gun. The kit also included a paint stirring paddle that you use with a hand drill to stirr the material, very important to stir.

You can also block sand Lizard skin and prime over it. Wet sand and paint color on top of that. I did that to some areas I wanted exposed painted metal but wanted the insulation/sound deadening as well.

A friend at work is borrowing the equipment right now so I wouldn't be able to send it to you.

Good luck.
Dennis

[Damn True]

Did you use both the sound and heat attenuation materials? If so, how much of each was required?

[Takid455]

I sprayed te inside of my 78 t/a w/ this stuff. I used both the heat and sound buckets. I used it on the roof, floors, doors, ect. I used an undercoating applicator gun hooked up to about 40psi. it wasn;t the best way as it took a bit if time, but it worked. I used almost 2 heat buckets and almost 1 sound bucket. tis car has t tops too. each coating should be about 1+/- business card thick totalling to 40mils as per manufacture if I recall correctly. it is very important to stir/ mix it very well before using. I layed it on a little ticker where the headers and mufflers would be. it is best to pay some kid or cheap (almost free) laborer to apply it as it is messy.

[LMDGUY]

I need to spray the underside of the bed and cab of my truck... was thinking about using Dupicolors bedliner kit. $56.00 for the gun and $66 a gal. for the material. the interior is goin to be all FatMat

How much is the Lizard Skin?

[Takid455]

lizard skin is a ceramic based coating, not rubber based. henceforth, it cost more.
130 for the heat bucket and 160 for the sound bucket.

[DLinson]

I purchased mine before is was called Lizard Skin and they only offered the one product, they said it surve as both a sound deadener and a heat insulator.

I used 5 gallons of the stuff on my Nova. I sprayed everything that I could. I put it on really thick on the inside of my roof, floors, and fire wall to cut down on the heat to help with the AC. I sprayed it on the inside of every metal surface inside the car, under the dash, inside the doors, quarters, rear fire wall, package tray, etc. I also sprayed it about 1/8 inch thick or so on the inside of the front fenders to prevent rock chips from the inside out. I also block sanded them smooth on the inside and primed and painted them the same collar as the car. Here are a few pics, everything in black is Lizard skin and on the back side of just about everything that is green is Lizard skin.

Dennis

[jonnyc]

I sprayed the entire inside of my Nova with Lizard skin. I purchased a cheap gun and hose kit from them but I don't think it is necessary. The gun is a simple syphon gun used with cheap sandblasters. The kit also cam with a 5 foot or so length of heater hose or a similar thick wall sturdy hose that will not collaps. It also included a steel tube that is submursed in the Lizard Skin material. The rubber hose is then connected to the tube and the gun. The kit also included a paint stirring paddle that you use with a hand drill to stirr the material, very important to stir.

You can also block sand Lizard skin and prime over it. Wet sand and paint color on top of that. I did that to some areas I wanted exposed painted metal but wanted the insulation/sound deadening as well.

A friend at work is borrowing the equipment right now so I wouldn't be able to send it to you.

Good luck.
Dennis

Dennis,
so what are your thoughts about the product?would you use it again or go with a mat type insulater/sound detener?

i've got an old syphon gun from my sand blast cabinet.i think i will try and use that first.if it doesn't work then i'll look at buying the one they offer.

[DLinson]

I would use it again.

I have solid motor mounts, no rubber at all in the suspension, BBC with dual 3.5" exhaust, and two chamber Flowmasters sitting under the floor boards. The floor has a layer of jute materal under the carpet and trans tunnel.

The floors are not hot and the car stays cool even without the AC on. I drove it 10 hours a few weeks ago without AC on in 85 degree weather and it was cofortable with the windows open aout 2 inches. You can hold on a coversation in the car with the windows up on the highway, windows down it's a little more difficult. The body panels don't sown tinny and I don't notice any noise transmited into the passenger compartment from the susspension. I am running rod ends on all of the suspension pivot point except for the ball joints and the upper control arm which don't have bushings.

If I were to change anything would be the 3.5" inch exhaust and 2-chamber flowmasters. It's also nice that Lizard skin weighs about 2.5 lbs per gallon so I put about 12.5 lbs of it on my car.

The lizard skin also seals up the seams. I sprayed the insides of the doors to make sure moisture would get into the seams between the door frame and skin. I also did the same in the inner quarters where it goes don't to the inner wheel wells and the lower trunk floor close-out pannels. If I could get the gun in there, I sprayed it. You can also apply the material with a brush or roller. I applied it to the inside of my sheetmetal center console with a small roller.

I'd use it again and I probably will on my 68 Charger if I ever get started on it.

Good luck
Dennis

[BonzoHansen]

I want to spray the inside/floor of my truck - no carpet, the old rubber mat is DOA. I plan on just using soem rubber floor mats. Would this stuff be good for that?

[Second Skin Rep]

lizard skin is a ceramic based coating, not rubber based. henceforth, it cost more.
130 for the heat bucket and 160 for the sound bucket.

Actually both lizard skin products are water based latex coatings.
The ceramics that are in the Heat Control formula are used as a filler, not a binder so the formula is still latex, which is rubber (acrylic).

The price is moslty based on performace and market demand. The difference in manufacturing costs between the noise and heat coatings in only a few dollars per gallon.

ANT

[DLinson]

I want to spray the inside/floor of my truck - no carpet, the old rubber mat is DOA. I plan on just using soem rubber floor mats. Would this stuff be good for that?

The finish is flat and it is hard to clean the dust out of it. You can prime and paint over it and that will be easier to clean. The pictures above are right after I sprayed it. After doing body work the dust inside was hard to clean off of the Lizard Skin. The material is tuff. I didn't wash if off the garage floor right away and now I can't get it up.

Dennis

[Josh292]

When is the best time to spray lizard skin on the interior floor? Before the door jams, firewall, dash and roll cage are painted exterior color or after then just tape off everything then spray the lizard skin on the floor? Cause i still need to do some painting, your thoughts? any help would be appreciated thanks!

[pchdrive]

I used cool car ceramic on the entire inside of our 1969 Firebird.
Did it before the color.

[Motown 454]

I have a question I would like to spray my trunk with the lizard skin and use Black Aqua trunk paint over it . how much sanding and priming do you think it will take to make it look good ? Does it come out smoother with more or less pressure when it is sprayed? I 've never seen it in a car so I have no idea what it looks like in person.
Thanks Wayne

[2Bad4Ya]

I have not used lizard skin, but I stayed at a holiday inn last night...

We tried something different. A friend who is a contracter told me about http://www.ceramicadditive.com/ its a ceramic paint additive. We bought a 1 gal kit and mixed it in with our upol raptor when we shot our underside & trunk.

I dunno if will do what it claims but at under 25.00 a possible enhancement to make the bedliner alsoa cermaic insulation was worth it.

[1969CamaroRS]

For those that did use Lizard Skin, did you find it hard to apply the overhead areas?

I Mini-tubbed my car and need something to apply to the undercarriage, but I don't have a body jig so I would have to apply it all working overhead.

Thanks!

[VenturaII]

I sprayed it on the underside of my car. As far as spraying overhead, the sound control went on fairly easy, smooth and looked great. I found the thermal control much harder to spray. In the tight areas, the glass beads seemed to stay on the top and become grainy. I ended up using more of the sound control and spraying it over the thermal to smooth it out. I'm not saying I didn't do something wrong, this was just my experience with the overhead spraying. In the end, I didn't feel it was going to stay looking nice without topcoating it with something(very porous), so I sprayed it with PPG K36 filler primer,black basecoat and cleared. In hindsight I feel this products design is better for spraying inside the car. It was explained to me that the sound control(sprayed directly on the metal) stops the sound and produces a slight heat, then this heat is controlled by the thermal which is sprayed over that. By spraying it under the car, it seems I've mixed up the whole idea of how it works. My car still doesn't run, so i have no idea how it will work.