Should I ditch the subframe?

[MrQuick]

After reading up on everyone's opinion on proper subframes for the por touring enthusiasts I wonder if I would be better off taking it out and selling it and then putting those funds towards an AME subframe. The car is ready for paint so this would be the time to switch.

Realisticly I will maybe see a track or two in it's life with me. One could hope for more, but I'm trying to be realistic. Concensus seems to be that this is s show piece and not purposely built for handling. For romping around will I notice a difference? Should I just be content with what I have?

Ok Bob, Im going to lay out my no BS logic for you without all the marketing hoopla.

Its in the car now, whether its painted or not you can swap it out later if you are not happy with it. We do it all the time.

Try it out and see how "YOU" like it. If it doesn't pan out then you can buy another type and post your feelings. Just don't forget the big FYOU Vince for wasting your time part. LOL

If its a resale thing...a TCI frame will have a higher resale than a stock one in a car guaranteed. Just make sure its pretty looking.

By all means do what you wish, it is your car. Don't let us key board cowboys help you spend money on something you might not even notice. Try it before you buy another SF. At least you will have something solid to compare it to. Think about it...its a lot of money for a "what if ". I'd rather spend it on a "Because".

[MarkM66]

I didn't like that guys reasoning for not putting the slalom cones 100ft apart, and why mags like Car and Driver do.

These cars with all this suspsension upgrades can't take high speed slalom runs? Well that's not good....

That Nova seems to be "bucking" through the cones.

[Damn True]

I didn't like that guys reasoning for not putting the slalom cones 100ft apart, and why mags like Car and Driver do.

These cars with all this suspsension upgrades can't take high speed slalom runs? Well that's not good....

That Nova seems to be "bucking" through the cones.

I wonder how much of that vertical movement is related to the 4-link binding and releasing?

[MarkM66]

I wonder how much of that vertical movement is related to the 4-link binding and releasing?

Or a spring rate to high for a street car, and past the limits of the shock to control it.

[cheapthrillz]

I noticed that too.... It kinda looked like a yellow bunny rabbit hopping around the cones... lol

[Damn True]

Or a spring rate to high for a street car, and past the limits of the shock to control it.

Yeah, very good point, and very much in line with some of the anecdotal stuff earlier in the thread.

[68Formula]

In the Goodguys video you can see on many of the other cars some suspension articulation going through the cones while the Nova is so stiff it doesn't compress, it just bounces. It could be a super-stiff spring rate or it could be a combination of stiff spring rate, plus cranking the shock valving to the maximum.

[Texas Bob]

One day this thread is lifeless and two days later a real discussion is on it's way. Thanks for all the replies, all very good points. I believe what I'll do is sell the TCI clip in favor for the AME. Gandalf, I'll make you a good deal.

I think even without first hand experience the knowledge of others does have a valuable place in one's decision. Especially when there are those that rely so heavily on it like myself. That's why we have these communities. I for one always seem to ease on the extravagant side even when it's not realistic and my wife can attest to that. While I could live with the subframe, I'll always be wanting more and no need to dothings twice If I can help it.

So while the TCI subframe may be sub par or may be the next best thing, the companies like DSE, AME, 21st Century, and others whom specialize on the functionality and performance side have proven there designs and win out in the long run.

[CamaroLance]

Well be sure to list it in the For Sale section. Got any idea's on a price for it yet?

[Gandalf]

"Gandalf, I'll make you a good deal"

Thanks Bob. You have a PM

If I had the budget - I'd have three AM setups, one in each car. A good choice based on how you honestly describe yourself (nothing wrong with that).

G.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Or a spring rate to high for a street car, and past the limits of the shock to control it.

Or maybe it is tied down??????

[Gandalf]

Stupid question but what does "tied down" mean?

G.

[Damn True]

There is a figurative and a litteral definition.

The figurative involves one of a number of ways of restricting travel via extremely high spring rates, closing off compression and or rebound damping or even placing blocks between frame rails and suspension components.

The litteral involves using cargo straps to physically pull the suspension down lower in its travel.

[MarkM66]

Here's another Nova. About the same performance, but from bolt ons to a stock frame.

Looks smoother through the cones.

http://www.hotchkis.net/p-790-72-pro...oject-car.aspx