Paypal sucks!

[Dreamin69]

I sold a perfectly good wakeboard on Ebay just before christmas and the buyer said it was damaged when he received it. The item had shipping insurance but he thought that I should be the one that should file the claim with UPS. I did not have the board, Why should I file the claim. He would not send me pictures of the damaged box. He filed a claim with Paypal and with in 10 days they decided that he should get a refund. He did have to send the board back to me at his expence though. When I got the board back the danaged was so defined and clean that I don't feel that it could have happened in a box.

[BlownBigBlock]

As someone mentioned, you cannot, I repeat cannot say in your ebay auction that if buyer is paying thru paypal he is to pay xtra % to cover the fees to buyer. That's a major no-no...

[Bow Tie 67]

What do you work for Ebay? F*** them, I have never had a problem but I see the fee thing all the time.

The best way to cover fees is to use an exorbatant shipping fee to cover it. The buyers can see your shipping fee right up front and bid accordingly. Oh and shipping does not get the ebay tax!! ( final value fees )

As someone mentioned, you cannot, I repeat cannot say in your ebay auction that if buyer is paying thru paypal he is to pay xtra % to cover the fees to buyer. That's a major no-no...

[Young Gun]

set up another paypal account...send the money from the accound it is in to the new account and it cant be touched...while that is what most scammers do, it works...paypal wont touch the money in the other account, I do that if I ever sell anything on ebay, its too easy for people to claim you sold them a fake, or a bad item or whatever...If I know I was honest and legit, I have no problems at all

[barno68]

You think that's bad.. you're luck the buyer didn't claint your gold coin was fake. In that case Paypal would have taken the money back from your account and refunded the buyer. Then the buyer could send you back a fake coin and keep the real one you sent.

And there's not one thing you could do about it. Paypal most always sides with the buyer. I hate Paypal

Boy, that is opposite of my experience with Paypal. Every claim I have filed for partial shipments and such they have sided with the seller, even with forwarding all the emails for the sellers saying they would take care of it. I had one where Paypal said to ship back what I received for a refund... my outlay for the initial shipping the return would have been over $120 and I would have had nothing to show for it! Yet the seller could turn around and resell the item with no money lost. My wife is trying to get money back from a non shipped item, they will side with her, but if the money is not there she is screwed. It is most defenitely an imperfect system.

[BlownBigBlock]

What do you work for Ebay?

Dude, don't get your panties tied in a knot, just stating facts...

Sellers may not charge ebay buyers an additional fee for their use of ordinary forms of payment, including acceptance of checks, money orders, electronic transfers or credit cards. Such costs should be built into the price of the item.

Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:

Listing cancellation
Limits on account privileges
Account suspension
Forfeit of ebay fees on cancelled listings
Loss of PowerSeller status
Some Examples Hide

Not permitted:
Charging an extra fee to use a credit card instead of a check.
Charging an extra fee to use Paypal.

[Yelcamino]

Speaking of ebay and paypal, has anyone ever bought anything on ebay using a credit card instead of paypal? I just bought some valve covers and decided to use my cc but when I finished the confirmation steps my receipt said to contact the seller to complete the transaction. I figured I could punch in my cc info but I guess not.

[MuscleRodz]

Ebay owns paypal if you did not know. They charge for every transaction the equivilent of average cc fees which is 3%. Not much different than fees associated with Western Union. Yes Paypal sucks, but so many people use it, you almost can't go without it. Once paid, I always remove most the money so it can't be touched. I hate it, but many of our customers pay with Paypal and it is instant.

Ebay is what has become a fraud. If you read the fine print, it is possible to incur charges for 1 auction that near 20% commission.

[smooth68]

You can no longer accept money orders or bank checks on ebay...You can ONLY use paypal or credit cards through paypal....Hows that for a monopoly???!!!

[FirstGenZq8]

You can no longer accept money orders or bank checks on ebay...You can ONLY use paypal or credit cards through paypal....Hows that for a monopoly???!!!

whoa! when did that happen? i'm searching ebay now, any chance you can link me to this new policy?

[Flash68]

I have used paypal hundreds of times on ebay, between friends, amazon, etc etc. It is nearly universally accepted these days. Like someone said, if you don't like it, don't use the service (ebay) that is requiring it. They reserve the right to refuse service to you! :D

Go sell it in your local newspaper if you think it's a better value.

[Tony_SS]

I have used paypal hundreds of times on ebay, between friends, amazon, etc etc. It is nearly universally accepted these days. Like someone said, if you don't like it, don't use the service (ebay) that is requiring it. They reserve the right to refuse service to you! :D

Go sell it in your local newspaper if you think it's a better value.

Or craigslist - its free!

For those who are anti-paypal there is Propay:
https://epay.propay.com/

And Moneygram
http://www.moneygram.com/MGI/index.htm

Ebay takes both of these.

[fantasygoat]

I got scammed on fordmuscle.com for an intake for my car, and Paypal found for me, but wouldn't give me back my $100! So forget that bull**** "protection" they provide.

[Yelcamino]

I just mailed the business a money order. The ebay receipt said I could do that if I didn't want to use paypal.

[DriverzInc]

Agreed, PayPal does suck, but I have to agree with Mike here, you almost have to use, or, in my case accept PayPal if you are going to sell online. Too many people use it, and are for some reason too afraid to just pick up the phone and pay over the phone with a credit card. I get that a lot. And PayPal will always side with the buyer, regardless. I'm in a lawsuit right now over 7K dollars worth of Forgeline Wheels and Michelin Tires that a customer claimed he never received. Even though I have emails direct from the customer showing me the wheels on his car and thanking me for them! Can you believe that crap? So you think being out 900 bucks for a coin is potentially bad. Try being out 9000 dollars. He just called his credit card company and denied ever receiving them, and he was credited in 10 mins. My lawyer has been fighting to get back that money now for 4 months!
Ya know, you want to trust everyone and believe that people want to do the right thing, but when crap like this goes down, you begin to doubt every sale.

[buickfunnycar.com]

You're still fighting that A-hole in FL Jon...?The idiot who sent Forgeline pics of his car with their wheels on them...?What an azzhat...!

I told you my offer for some of my NY relatives in waste management still stands...all I need is a shoe size and all's good.

[Tony_SS]

I'm a seller, and Paypal had sided with me on numerous occasions. A buyer says he never received and item, files a dispute, I show tracking and its dropped. I proved delivery and they sided with me.

When I bought some springs off Ebay, the were completely wrong and the seller offered no help or a return. So I simply filed a dispute, sent them back and my money was refunded soon as they were confirmed delivered.

[monza]

I'm also a seller, I hate it! Paypal has screwed me sooo many times but as said before in this thread I have to take it.

The newest scam I'm seeing is a huge amount of Mastercard fraud, sellers careful on Mastercard. We now phone MC on any internet purchase to confirm.

[Mossimo777]

Accepting paypal is not an option, its mandatory with ebay now. Seems like double dipping to me.