Fatman Spindles

[baz67]

Anyone taking bets he does not respond?

[mpozzi]

Nope, it's tucked and he's running ...

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

[fatiger53]

Yea, I am Fatman and I am my own customer. I actually use my stuff, test it on the track and in the shop The 69 Camaro and the 70 Chevelle used for fitting and testing did have bumpsteer checks done on them and are then driven in the real world. Airride has tested all the tall spindle set ups, and says our are the best. That's backed up with real testing by Pro race drivers on the track. And I do have the numbers.

Also, since upper shafts do relocate the inner pivot points further from the ball joint than a stock, not offset shaft, logic says they do change the effective length of the control arm. That's not an opinion.

The tall spindle swap on the A bodies used to require a special length UCA to get it to work. Our spindle takes care of that by relocating the upper ball joint. There is a small effect on scrub radius, but with so many different offset wheels used on a regular basis, I am of the opinion that it's not a problem.

I got on this site in an effort to learn more about what's going on in the Pro Touring world. If you think that's evil, sorry 'bout that. What I find is plenty of guys pumping their own stuff and blasting anybody with a different opinion. Here in NASCAR country, there are plenty of different educated opinions on how best to make a car handle.

[wendell]

Wow. Hustling up business with fake posts has been bad form for a LONG time. You're a class act. If these are the ethics you apply to the rest of yuor business, you're going to be a lot hapier selling chromed A-arms to the trailer crowd.

And for the record; changing the inner pick up point w/ an offset shaft does NOT change the distance between the pick up point and the ball joint. It's important that you understand that.

[68Formula]

I got on this site in an effort to learn more about what's going on in the Pro Touring world. If you think that's evil, sorry 'bout that. What I find is plenty of guys pumping their own stuff and blasting anybody with a different opinion. Here in NASCAR country, there are plenty of different educated opinions on how best to make a car handle.

Nobody has faulted you for joining to learn more about what is going on. It's encouraged that you do.

The problem was the fake posts in an effort to drum up business. If you want to tout the benefits of your system do it on a technical basis and be honest about your position.

The two pet peeves people have here is a vendor who claims to be just a pleased customer, or one who offers no technical depth other than "check out my stuff." It's insulting, and no better than spam or male enhancement ads you find in magazines. Be ethical. No one here is going to purchase anything from someone who is not.

[6'9"Witha69]

What I find is plenty of guys pumping their own stuff and blasting anybody with a different opinion.

Funny, all the vendors here have the SAME opinion and while they have competing packages, get along quite well. Misinformation is bashed and we will all back that.

Here in NASCAR country, there are plenty of different educated opinions on how best to make a car handle.

:bsjerk:

[James OLC]

...logic says they do change the effective length of the control arm. That's not an opinion.

I am sorry; this is not a confidence inspiring quote from any suspension vendor, especially one whose products are intended (?) to be used in a 'hard core' driving environment. Logic is one thing; facts are often another, but a good, proven (and demonstratable) design will always be welcomed.

Here in NASCAR country, there are plenty of different educated opinions on how best to make a car handle.

That is true everywhere. There are several ways to get to the same destination and all of them, in the end, should be quantifiable with good engineering.

When I was researching the suspension options for the ’67 I first went through David’s site and a variety of other internet resources before calling all of the vendors who were offering products or services that appeared to meet the needs of the project. While everyone that I contacted had their own opinions on how to achieve the best possible result for the most part they consistently were able to provide engineering and technical backup to demonstrate their design rational. Those that couldn’t were no longer options in our search. In your own words:

These are questions that will be worth asking when you are shopping. If they can't answer or seem confused, be wary.

That is the one thing that you have said that I have to agree with 100% and, based upon your posts, I am.

And even though it has been said several times already, although there may seem to be “plenty of guys pumping their own stuff and blasting anybody with a different opinion”, Marcus, and Tyler, and Blake, and Kyle, and Mark never pretended to be anything other that what they are – enthusiasts, manufacturers, and supporters of this hobby and this site. I (and I think that I can safely say WE) welcome direct participation from anybody involved in this industry and this hobby/sport in particular, provided they are honest about who they are and their intentions. I would have preferred to read a technical post from “a representative of Fatman” rather than a poorly scripted story. Unfortunately, it reflected poorly on yourself and your company.

Just my 2 bits.