40x60 Shop/Loft

[65chevelle''ss'']

Hey guys,

So I'm going to be breaking ground on my shop here in the near future and I was wondering if you guys have any info./experience with this? I have bought regular "single family" real estate before as well as just "bare land" but I have never actually built before from the ground up... I'm kinda nervous about he whole thing due to the unknown variables that come up in the process from time to time.

Nonetheless, I have a half acre here in the Portland area that is perfectly flat and suitable to build my shop on.

What I'm looking to do is build my shop (40x60) with a lofted living quarters (30x40). Tall eaves with RV doors. Not "pole barn" style, I'm planning stick built.

-Do any of you guys have something like this? Pics would be awesome!!
-Where do you find plans for something like this? I've looked all over the net and can't seem to find "exactly" what I'm looking for....? You guys know of any links to a plan such as I'm looking for?
-Any suggestions of things to look for in my search of a plan?

Any help would be appreciated!!! Thanks guys
Travis

[hotrdblder]

heres a link to my shop with living space above, shop specs are 50x50, a 10x50 side, 30x50 clear span in the middle and 20x50 for spraybooth and finish bay.
http://picasaweb.google.com/JakeParr...ODSHOPShopPics

built myself, used 90% length dormers to give great space and add character(upstairs is 30x50), however in a residential mortgage setting you wil only get about 60% of the commercial value in an appraisal as no normal person needs that kind of shop space.fyi
goodluck

[65chevelle''ss'']

heres a link to my shop with living space above, shop specs are 50x50, a 10x50 side, 30x50 clear span in the middle and 20x50 for spraybooth and finish bay.
http://picasaweb.google.com/JakeParr...ODSHOPShopPics

built myself, used 90% length dormers to give great space and add character(upstairs is 30x50), however in a residential mortgage setting you wil only get about 60% of the commercial value in an appraisal as no normal person needs that kind of shop space.fyi
goodluck

That's a VERY nice shop Hotrd! Thanks for all the information!

Syborg: Thanks for the link. I was actually playing around on there before bed last night ;) Lets of great information with tons of nice shops to look at. I'm thinking maybe I'll just have an architect draw something up for me??

StRacerDuke: Now I know what I'm gonna be doing today Thanks for the links!!!
T

[65chevelle''ss'']

Found this on Eplans.. This is more like what I was thinking. I want something that is easy on the eyes from the street due to it's location. I really like how the upstair is mostly open too!! This is a front runner for sure.. I'd have to have it redesigned to 40x60 but that can't be THAT expensive... Is it? What you think?

http://www.eplans.com/craftsman_hous....hwx#floorplan

[StRacerDuke]

Found this on Eplans.. This is more like what I was thinking. I want something that is easy on the eyes from the street due to it's location. I really like how the upstair is mostly open too!! This is a front runner for sure.. I'd have to have it redesigned to 40x60 but that can't be THAT expensive... Is it? What you think?

http://www.eplans.com/craftsman_hous....hwx#floorplan

That's a nice layout. I would agree that 40x60 would be much better. Maybe even take the 'exercise' area and make it another bay/machine shop area/paint booth/lounge with a bar & open to the shop?

[65chevelle''ss'']

That's a nice layout. I would agree that 40x60 would be much better. Maybe even take the 'exercise' area and make it another bay/machine shop area/paint booth/lounge with a bar & open to the shop?

That's exactly what I was thinking myself... I figured that when I pushed the building to 40x60 I would add another garage door (so there would be three in the front) and then turn that excercise area into more shop space, the metal fab area, tool crib, or whatever......the lounge with a bar is going upstairs

[syborg tt]

http://www.garagejournal.com/

great website for idea's and help

[Happyfunballs]

Hey hotrdbldr, what's the tab on something like that?

[hotrdblder]

cost me 175 ish, but i did everything but concrete and insulation, i mean everything, seeptic system, dirt work, underground power , everything. would be 300k plus if you contracted entire job out
generally its 110-125 per sq ft living space and 70-85 per sq ft of finished garage space, you do the math on 3000 sq ft shop and 1500 sq ft living.
jake

[MarkM66]

cost me 175 ish, but i did everything but concrete and insulation, i mean everything, seeptic system, dirt work, underground power , everything. would be 300k plus if you contracted entire job out
generally its 110-125 per sq ft living space and 70-85 per sq ft of finished garage space, you do the math on 3000 sq ft shop and 1500 sq ft living.
jake

Do you "live" in the living quarters? Do fumes go up there?

[hotrdblder]

part time i do, when the wife pisses me off,lmao
no the shop ceiling is insulated and has a vapor barrier, plus all painting is done in the downdraft booth which has a stack that is just higher then the roof and it moves the air very fast.

[MarkM66]

part time i do, when the wife pisses me off,lmao
no the shop ceiling is insulated and has a vapor barrier, plus all painting is done in the downdraft booth which has a stack that is just higher then the roof and it moves the air very fast.

LOL, yeah right. More like you're pissing her off.

[StRacerDuke]

This should keep you busy for a while.

http://www.eplans.com/projects/garages.hwx
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/f...splay.php?f=61

[shortrack]

heres mine.......1800 sq ft.....12 ft cielings......stick built.......nieghbours think it looks great....... thought about putting living quarters in it for about 10 minutes......if someones living there (family or not) I cant work in there late at night , gotta watch making a big stink with paint/chemicals etc, cant sit out there and drink and BS with my buddies, gotta watch making noise with air tools/ hammers etc......cant let it be a garage which is what I built it for in the first place.....doug

[65chevelle''ss'']

Nice shop! I like that alot! Definitely eye appealing for the neighbors ;)

Can't wait for mine to be done!!!
T

[dropit69]

shorttrack sweet shop but in one pic it looks square but in interior pic looks like back wall tapers ..what is the demision of the thing?..looks awesome with the wood siding too !!

[shortrack]

shorttrack sweet shop but in one pic it looks square but in interior pic looks like back wall tapers ..what is the demision of the thing?..looks awesome with the wood siding too !!

the shop shaped like home plate so it can back into the corner of the lot at a 45 deg angle so I could get the biggest shop on the lot!lol......its 50' down the centre for my boat.......the back 2 walls are block because they serve as a retaining wall also since the shop is cut into a hillside.....removed 32 truckloads of dirt.

the siding is a trick part......it is simply exterior grade plywood (the kind that people usaually put siding over) with fake 1x2 vertical battens nailed on (its has corresponding 1x2s on the inside of the wall to give something to nail to......1x2s = cheap......we thought about using self tappers just into the plywood).....anyway its covered with 2 coats of cedar sealer/stain from Home Depot (it has has a glue like quality as it dries).....IMO looks better and you skip the siding step....doug

[MonzaRacer]

OK we just helped a friendf replace a shop that got damaged by small tornado.
If your going to spend the cash figure on a in floor heating system and it will so cut down on upper living areas heat requirements.
We found one company(ill do a search and see if I can find name) that uses the inf lor system to heat and cool. The big slab of concrete can be "chilled " to around 50-55 degrees and it does work and small floor fans help to blow cool air over you as you work and if you want regular AC just works so much more efficient.
He also added lots of outlets, piped air, hot and cold water and a super duty remote sweeper system.
The one thing we did in our plans was figured in the cost of getting the absolute highest poundage spray foam insulation.
He has 2 window AC units and the floor heat/AC and the window units are simple 10,000btu units. He rare ly runs them because withthe spray foam you can heat and cool it with a couple of bic lighters and a block of ice ,,seriously.
His pad has 6 foot pillars in the ground, it sits on 3 layers underneath. Heavy rubble from local limestone quarries (road work, concrete rubble also work) then #rock and then all drains are supported by rock and side supported with sand.
Then he had the insulation(think very large piece of syrofoam) and the heating grid laid out then concrete.
He put 4 ,of the smallest Modine Bull dog heaters in for extra ummmph but has yet to do more than test them and is thinking if/when I get me a small shop built giving me one or more of them.
Alos use as heavy a wire as if your going to have some serious power going places (like 440 3 phase). I am serious my budy bought a rather large industrial plasma CNC and it cost out the A$$ to rerun wiring.
But the unit made hime nearly $80 in first year for fun(he had regualr job and would fll the bed with stock and let it cut while at work, machine wasnt hurt in storm sooooo.
But we made some serious up grades.
The infloor heating system can also be installed in living area too. Very cool when its super cold out and you pick up tools that are WARM!
He's heating a 60x80 building and has spent less than heating his rather large home(wife, 4 kids,2 dogs 6 bedrooms and 3 1/2 baths and it has similar insulation , got 4 1/2 stars for energy conservation as the hot tub wasnt in enclosed building just had open walls around it).