does X-11 mean its an SS for 69 Camaro

[steve671]

With regard to a 1969 Camaro, if it says X-11 on the cowl tag does that nessessarily mean it is a SS?
If not, does this mean anything important?
Thanks

[dropit69]

no x11 is a style trim group..not a ss.. here a site that will help decode all info on camaros.. http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml click on cowl tag and go down tword bottom it will tell you what the codes mean..x11 is really common on alot of camaros..

[jannes_z-28]

X11 can be a SS350 but it is not certain. Only about 10% of the X11 cars was SS350.

To verify it as a SS350 there are items on the car that needs to be checked. One such thing is that SS cars had discbrakes.

It is easier to say what it isn't. It is not a Z/28, SS396 or a Pace Car.


Jan

[steve671]

Thanks a lot.
Guy says the car does not have discs but claims it is supposed to because it has a porportioning valve.
He says it has a 10 bolt non posi and multi leafs. Sounds like a non SS, I am going to check out that link. Thanks again.

[Nine Ball]

All SS cars had the 12-bolt and front disks. The proportioning valve is located on the side of the subframe, on the driver's side just under the floorpan area.

Another tell-tale sign is the dual exhaust hangers which should be factory present, above the rear axle.

[steve671]

The proportioning valve is located on the side of the subframe, on the driver's side just under the floorpan area.

Thank you. Should this be the only proportioning valve, or should there be another one below the master cylinder?

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

"is it an SS?"

[jannes_z-28]

All SS cars had the 12-bolt and front disks. The proportioning valve is located on the side of the subframe, on the driver's side just under the floorpan area.

Another tell-tale sign is the dual exhaust hangers which should be factory present, above the rear axle.

There are documented SS350 with 10-bolt, if they had a PowerGlide transmission they could get a 10-bolt. Not very common but they do exist.


Jan

[David Pozzi]

I have a 67 SS with manual steering, manual drum brakes, 12 bolt, and mono leaf springs with the RH traction link. But CRG says for 1969 discs were required on an SS, multi leaf and 12 bolt would come on a 69 SS350.
Here's a handy chart of options: http://www.camaros.org/diffs69.shtml

[steve671]

ok. I got the cowl tag info:
ST6912437NOR346700BDY
TR7115757PNT
06A X11

With the small quantities of exceptions with the options, is there any way to know for sure either way?

[jannes_z-28]

Discs were not required on an SS. I have a 67 SS with manual steering, manual drum brakes, 12 bolt, and mono leaf springs with the RH traction link. I'm pretty sure that 1969 was the same, except by then multi leaf and 12 bolt would come on a SS350.

David, you are right about the 67. It wasn't required for the 68 either. But for 1969 modelyear it was an required option for SS cars.


Jan

[jannes_z-28]

ok. I got the cowl tag info:
ST6912437NOR346700BDY
TR7115757PNT
06A X11

With the small quantities of exceptions with the options, is there any way to know for sure either way?

Trimtag says:
Built in Norwood, Ohio Bodynumber 346700
Tr 711, Stadard black vinyl interior
57 57, Fathom Green paint
06A, Built in First week of June 1969
X11, well that has been discussed in earlier posts of this thread.


Not much information to go on but that was all GM provided back then.

Jan

[steve671]

Trimtag says:
Built in Norwood, Ohio Bodynumber 346700
Tr 711, Stadard black vinyl interior
57 57, Fathom Green paint
06A, Built in First week of June 1969
X11, well that has been discussed in earlier posts of this thread.


Not much information to go on but that was all GM provided back then.

Jan

Thanks Jan. So is there no way to know for sure if this is or is not a real SS.

I am thinking it is not because of the drum brakes, 10 bolt, lack of proportioning valve at the subframe and rareness of the option.

[68Formula]

I thought X-11 meant it was a Chevy Citation.

[steve671]

So I went and looked at the car today and also noticed that the front sway bar was very small (1/2inch or 5/8 at the most). I don't know if this is another indication that it is not an SS.
This in addition to the other things leads me to believe that this is not an SS. Also, this car was way more rusted than the guy led me to believe; so I am going to pass on this one and keep looking.
Thanks again for all of the help.

[Bob Johnson]

If you feel the outside of the frame on the drivers side rear wheel well there is an about 1 1/2" square reinforcement patch welded to the outside of the frame to reinforce where the exhaust hangar attaches. It's only on dual exhaust cars. Z-28's, SS's all have it..

[osdmike]

Also notice that you should have at least a 300hp/350ci engine in a SS. (1969) (If You still have the original engine block)

L48 , L35 , L34 , L78 , L89
http://www.camaros.org/engine.shtml

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http://www.chevymania.com/

"PARTS ID"

Scroll to : "SUFFIX CODES" down left.

[steve671]

Thanks for the additional info.

[WS6]

since we are talking about these 69 cars, is it not correct that the SS cars were the horse power cars and the rally sports the stripes/hideaway lights with some handling? Then the Z28 was even better handling?

This stems from Steve's comment about the small front sway bar on this supposed SS car. I was thinking that at SS could easily come with a crappy suspension since SS was not a suspension package.

Thanks guys.

[JEFFTATE]

since we are talking about these 69 cars, is it not correct that the SS cars were the horse power cars and the rally sports the stripes/hideaway lights with some handling? Then the Z28 was even better handling?

This stems from Steve's comment about the small front sway bar on this supposed SS car. I was thinking that at SS could easily come with a crappy suspension since SS was not a suspension package.

Thanks guys.

'69 Rally Sport Cars had a lot a trim options. ( Hideaway headlights , headlight washers , deluxe chrome exterior trim , etc.. ) Not necessarily disc brakes or suspension improvements.

'69 SS cars had performance options like 350 hi-po or 396 hi-po engines and associated transmissions and rearends to go with them. and disc brakes.

The Z/28 option was a 302 hi-po engine , 4-speed manual, 12 bolt rearend, and suspension upgrades too.