Suspension GURU's please look and tell me your opinions on this...

[DENALI]

http://www.hdrcoupe.com/pages/Max-G-...sion-front.php Would like to know of the pro's and possible con's with this new Max G subframe. Thanks!!

[rocketman]

I don't see any advantage you would gain compared to a aftermarket sub-frame, it looks weak to me, it's 1/2 road race suspension, but the trianglation looks weak there isn't any big gain in strengh, using it for a core support looks like it would unalign the bodywork, and it still use's the floor of the body for strength. the suspension is nice, but all that could be installed on a stock sub frame. I would go with a Art Morrison or Dse or Tci front clip.

[killer69]

the one thing that sticks out for me is the sway bar, the pivots are a long way from the arms, and it looks like you would not be able to have any turning with a wide wheel/tire combo. IMHO

[THX 138]

single shear non triangulated upper a-arm??? :uhhh:

bolt from sway bar to sway bar link....

[rocketman]

single shear non triangulated upper a-arm??? :uhhh:

bolt from sway bar to sway bar link....

Thats the hot step in pavement circle track racing. The sway bar does need to come in toward the shock and be more straight

[MrQuick]

as I said before "tubular dude tubular". That is the sub they are running on the new trans am builds. Looks stout...did you guys take a gander at the rear suspension yet? I know Luckin Fou has had a good look at it.

Build style has been very successful in the past. We will see if someone steps up.

[preston]

I'm having a hard time getting a feel for the actual frame layout itself, but unless I"m totally backwards the steering arms are fairly inboard on a front steer application, which means this would have pretty severe anti-ackermann. THere is some debate on ackermann and how much is required, but most guru's agree you want some if not more, which would be achieved by having the spindle end tie rod pivots outboard of the ball joint not inboard. At a minimum they should be straight along. Ideally the rack sould be backwards a bit from the steeing pivots as well it appears to be inline.

I don't have a lot of time to study the rest of it. The parts look stout and have some potential but without more pictures with less clutter I have a hard time seeing it.

[gt1guy]

Here's a pic from the bottom



Right out of the gate the LCA mounts need to be boxed. I don't see any verticle members between the upper and lower frame rails(tubes) either. You can also see why the rack ended up where it did. I'd like to know who's spindle he uses.

Kevin

[MrQuick]

Its hard to see the strength but it comes in the form of triangulation and well planned main anchor points.

The spindles look like circle track type as most of the other parts used.

[79T/Aman]

that front sway bar does not have very good working angles and mounting points, costum headers as well

[parsonsj]

I'd love to know more about it too. My concern is the tie rod angles relative to perpendicular of the car's center line. I'd prefer to see that angle reversed so that the tie rod angles the other way. The problem is that would put the rack into the engine. Perhaps the way to go is to move the engine back, move the rack back, and then move the sway bar back.

Anybody up for calling them up, and/or inviting them to discuss their geometry with us?

jp

[gt1guy]

The front LCA mount looks to me to be higher than the rear. If he wanted to add AD to the front end, it's backwards. But, it also looks like a primary tube is running right over the rear LCA mount. I can't imagine compromising suspension geometry for a header tube.

Anybody up for calling them up, and/or inviting them to discuss their geometry with us?

I'd love to do it. But, I'd probably just piss them off and they would never show up. So, this time I'll keep me mouth shut. I'd really like to know what they were thinking.

Kevin

[Stu Seitz]

I'd love to know more about it too. My concern is the tie rod angles relative to perpendicular of the car's center line. I'd prefer to see that angle reversed so that the tie rod angles the other way.

Anti-Ackerman, Think about the difference in load between right and left front tires and where they reach their optimum grip, which is governed by the tires slip angle and load. This is coming from Milliken.

MrQuick was right. Look at Coleman’s site they have fabed spindles like those. They also have a driver side spindle with an adjustable steering arm; for tuning Ackerman.