Sub-frame from ECKLERS

[GetMore]

FWIW, if Scotts does not have any computer programs to map out the alignment changes due to suspension travel and then give a printout, then they could do it the old fasioned way.
Using standard alignment equipment you can record the numbers at different heights. Just set the alignment at "standard" ride height, give the specs, and then give the specs of where the tires are pointing every inch of travel from that height. Caster, camber and toe.

I understand that the "on paper" specs might not tell us exactly how the car will handle, but it should be a good starting point.



I'm thinking that this info is something that any subframe manufacturer should be able to show for their product. Am I correct in this assumption?

[chicane67]

The old fashioned way ??

You mean that they have someone that would do full scale (or scaled for that matter) mechanical drawings by hand ?? That, is the old fashioned way... but there are not too many people that have that experience left.

In the recent past, the manufacturers of said subframes never directly quoted what their subframes did. It was and has been considered a "Trade Secret" or "Proprietary Information". It only recently became an acceptable thing to do... if you wanted to actually sell your product. You can pretty much thank this website for that, as it was really myself and a few other here that performed unbiased testing of what all companies brought to the table. It was more of a 'what do I get for $XXX.xx amount of dollars.'

It really pole vaulted the knowledge curve of the typical end user. And it also called a spade a spade... amoungst the manufacturers.

[baz67]

Ok, guys nice job calming it down before we had to step in. Having said that, Josh, you have been asked a few very good questions. It is fine if you do not want to answer them. However, if you chose to answer them you better do better then marketing hype. As you can see this site is way beyond the form over function mentality of most show car builders. As you have seen you will get hit with some very serious questions that can go beyond what you can handle. Answer what you know and be honest and you will be treated accordingly. Also, if you want avoid some harassment, type and use the English language like an adult. We are not a bunch of snot nosed, fart tipped, ricer punks here. Find a good spell checker and use it, I know I do. It will go a long way towards credibility.

Now, I would like to ask a question. I did not see it asked when I scanned the thread so I hope it is not a duplicate. Why use solid stainless for the control arms? Hollow tubes would be just as strong and you would get the benefit of reduction in unsprung mass.

[josh@scotts]

well i appreciate all the comments, good or bad , and i never came on here to argue or flame anyone just try to offer a good quality product , i well understand the serious technical needs that the consumer require before purchasing a product and i am in fact having a c.a.d. designer come by to copy our front end to the computer so that you the customer can see it in motion in desired inches of travel to see if is front end is for you . thanks for the education you guys, you do know what you want and hopefully after our display it will appeal to you more.. sincerely , josh@scotts

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

josh, have you or your company ever built a protouring car?

if so can you show us the final product?

[6'9"Witha69]

[josh@scotts]

i had a 68 chevelle with alot of hotchkis upgrades and 16 rims ,but only in the last few years have i seen the protouring style get so big , when i was into it, it wasnt as big ,16 rims were the style but i think overhaulin is where the fad got really popular for the 18 inch and bigger rims, the style is quite great, but when i was into it there wasnt that many people doin it.. but we have worked with a couple of guys that are into g- machines and i think its great! i just like to make people happy not just take their money.. i have sum pics of a undercover mustang convertible with a completely different front and rear susp. then stock with a 4.6 mach one drivetrain and a convertible nova thats pretty sweet the customer big into pro touring as well..

[LowBuckX]

Ive never seen a 16 wheeler Chevelle can you post a pic.. lol Joking.

BUt I take issue with the overhauling comment. We have been doing this before OVerHauling and American chopshop where even on TV They copied us and made it a Look when it was never a look thing to the people who where here from the begining.. The Look is the result of the function.

[Steve Chryssos]

This is the thread from hell. I can see it descending into a "What is Pro-Touring" thread. And we all know how those end.

[KUL FIR CHICK N]

Lock it down now, PLEASE! My head hurts from reading it. A Darwin discussion is sure to come next. Monkeys and footballs also come to mind.

[LowBuckX]

Yadda yadda. you guys where thinking it I just typed it.