Bullrun

[dipren443]

"Ok, the Charger is awesome and Mike M. did great within that envelope, as to it being a superior performer than the Hurst, I have to strongly disagree. The Olds had nearly perfect weight ratio, lighter overall weight, lighter occupants, more HP and much more torque, real racing tires, more advanced suspension, a driver that has race training, and better aerodynamics in short its no contest. Hey we all fell in love witht the General Lee and I swear I will own one or a Daytona replica one day, but thats not to say that its the best car and unbeatable."

What do you have in that Hurst a stroked 455? I would be curious to hear what kind of combo you have as that Hurst really sounded strong during the show.

Do you have Baer or Wilwood brakes on it? Was is the weight of a Hurst Olds of that year?

I really like your wheel and tire combo on that Olds and I am digging the hood on it also. I hope you guys beat team F150!

As for the Alsops I am kinda undecided because on one hand I really like TA's but on the other hand you have her father trying to manipulate everyone to his or their advantage......I dont think his daughter agrees with everything he does though. I guess its a competition in the end

Good luck!

Another question for Rich. I looked through your car's profile on the SpikeTV website and you said nothing about what your suspension is. Being that there really aren't too many years between you and the Charger, what is this "highly advanced" setup you are running that is so superior??? Three link or IRS in the rear??? What have you done to the front end??? Anything to the suspension geometry???

Thanks,
Nick

[moparguy]

Mike.......I dont know if I should laugh or take out a hit out on you!

Ok, the Charger is awesome and Mike M. did great within that envelope, as to it being a superior performer than the Hurst, I have to strongly disagree. The Olds had nearly perfect weight ratio, lighter overall weight, lighter occupants, more HP and much more torque, real racing tires, more advanced suspension, a driver that has race training, and better aerodynamics in short its no contest. Hey we all fell in love witht the General Lee and I swear I will own one or a Daytona replica one day, but thats not to say that its the best car and unbeatable.

If you look at the garage challenge again look how much body roll there is when Mike makes the sharp turns, look how much less there is with the Olds, I am not making this up anyone can see that.

The challenge vs. the Lotus, we had no brakes, messed up shift linkage, and no power steering, otherwise we would have smoked him IMHO (of course this is debatable and only a re-test can decide this).

Fastest cars in the rally: Lambo and or the Olds. simply due to raw HP. We got to test the Olds handling against the Lambo, he could not shake us....it was scary and awesome at the same time sicne we were a foot away from a gaurd rail and sheer drop.

The favorite car universally was of course the Charger, even team Lambo wanted one.

Well my brother and Mike met up and shook hands last night, Mike's car looks awesome and he and Alabama Rich will be running the rally. I wish them the berst of luck regardless of how I feel about this weeks episode and what was said.

Oh and Mike A. for the record, they did ask us if he could run again off camera and we as we all now know said yes.

Cheers

What do you have in that Hurst a stroked 455? I would be curious to hear what kind of combo you have as that Hurst really sounded strong during the show.

Do you have Baer or Wilwood brakes on it? Was is the weight of a Hurst Olds of that year?

I really like your wheel and tire combo on that Olds and I am digging the hood on it also. I hope you guys beat team F150!

As for the Alsops I am kinda undecided because on one hand I really like TA's but on the other hand you have her father trying to manipulate everyone to his or their advantage......I dont think his daughter agrees with everything he does though. I guess its a competition in the end

Good luck!

[Damn True]

Ok, the Charger is awesome and Mike M. did great within that envelope, as to it being a superior performer than the Hurst, I have to strongly disagree. The Olds had nearly perfect weight ratio, lighter overall weight, lighter occupants, more HP and much more torque, real racing tires, more advanced suspension, a driver that has race training, and better aerodynamics in short its no contest. Hey we all fell in love witht the General Lee and I swear I will own one or a Daytona replica one day, but thats not to say that its the best car and unbeatable.

Mike was 3/1 in the challenges right?

In the one he lost he had a mechanical failure. You had mechanical problems as well that hurt you in a few challenges right? So it seems that the "superior vehicle" assertion is as yet undetermined.

If one is to be the best, one must beat the best right? To that end I hope that panty-waste Roger Clemens pitches to Bonds when the Giants and Yankees play this summer. He's pitched around him every time in the past. But I digress......

Here's an idea:
http://www.nyr-scca.com/soloSchedule.htm

SCCA Solo auto-x at Hempstead

Please put the results on youtube

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Moparguy, chime into my brother he has all the exact numbers.

But yes its a bored out 455 with head work compression was close to 11:1 McBetts racing built and dynoed it. Produced 550hp (548 I think was the exact number) on the dyno. During the rally we also had a 150 NOS shot.

Weight for those car were from 3500-3900lbs ours we figure in at about 3600-3700lbs.

The brakes......GRRRRR Ill touch on that subject after next episode.

Thanks!!

[bar1]

hey Rich!

[TheMonkey]

... Produced 550hp (448 I think was the exact number) on the dyno. ...

umm... what's that mean? that's a big spread.

[Rich Team11 H/O]

umm... what's that mean? that's a big spread.

Typo...550 (548)

RC

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Moparguy, chime into my brother he has all the exact numbers.

But yes its a bored out 455 with head work compression was close to 11:1 McBetts racing built and dynoed it. Produced 550hp (548 I think was the exact number) on the dyno. During the rally we also had a 150 NOS shot.

Weight for those car were from 3500-3900lbs ours we figure in at about 3600-3700lbs.

The brakes......GRRRRR Ill touch on that subject after next episode.

Thanks!!

Did you do anything to the block to make it more rigid?! Oldsmobiles are not exactly well-known for having bullet-proof blocks.

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Another question for Rich. I looked through your car's profile on the SpikeTV website and you said nothing about what your suspension is. Being that there really aren't too many years between you and the Charger, what is this "highly advanced" setup you are running that is so superior??? Three link or IRS in the rear??? What have you done to the front end??? Anything to the suspension geometry???

Thanks,
Nick

Not highly advanced, just more so than torsion bars and leaf springs.

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Where will we be able to see these online updates?

There should be a link on the Bullrun site and on their myspace page.

[Rich Team11 H/O]

Did you do anything to the block to make it more rigid?! Oldsmobiles are not exactly well-known for having bullet-proof blocks.

Again these real detailed questions can only be answered by my bro, I help out, but they are his cars and he is the one that has done the majority of the work and along with his engine builders have made all the decisions. But I am nearly 100% positive that it has all forged internals, and bottom end girdle. This engine was nicely built but its not all out, the one he is building now with Bill Trovato for the other car....well thats another story.

[toxicz28]

The brakes......GRRRRR Ill touch on that subject after next episode.

Stock disc/drum, right??? I recall hearing you say you blew the brake cylinders.

[SPECWARSQUID]

But yes its a bored out 455

"455"?

I believe you, but I could swear on Spike they listed your car as having a "425".

Which I kinda thought was cool because I had '69 Cutlass "S" that had a 10:1 "425" Rocket, out of a '67 Toronado, with "C" heads. Best running engine I've ever had to date. If I'm not mistaken the "425" was the only engine OLDS put a forged crank in (could be wrong). Sweet motor . 455 is no slouch either.

Man I miss that car......sold it to a Baptist minister from Toledo....go figure.

I'm just glad all you American muscle guys stayed in long enough to slap all the Imports and Exotics pee pees .

Shay
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Semper Fortis

68 GTO
66 GTO
67 Corvair Monza

[Rich Team11 H/O]

The specs floating around out there are all mixed up because they took down the info to all our cars, since my brother has so many Olds and some have 350, 425 and 455, they mixed up the numbers. The car we originally wanted to bring had a high nickle 425; agreed one of the best GM engines ever.

But the Hurst is a 455.

[moparguy]

Moparguy, chime into my brother he has all the exact numbers.

But yes its a bored out 455 with head work compression was close to 11:1 McBetts racing built and dynoed it. Produced 550hp (548 I think was the exact number) on the dyno. During the rally we also had a 150 NOS shot.

Weight for those car were from 3500-3900lbs ours we figure in at about 3600-3700lbs.

The brakes......GRRRRR Ill touch on that subject after next episode.

Thanks!!

Sounds like its probably a pretty stout combo! I am assuming that it has some aluminum heads given that compression ratio or else you would be dumping octane boost in it like crazy.
The 455 is a torque monster before even touching it.

1968-70 Charger weight usually falls in between 3600-3900 without driver so it sounds like the two might be close in weight.

I did not know that your brother posts on here. What is his screen name?

Again, I hope you guys take the win! I dont want to see a truck win the whole thing...that would just seem wrong.

[Rich Team11 H/O]

compression ratio or else you would be dumping octane boost in it like crazy.

We were!!!!!!

I dont even know his SN here, but you can reach him via his myspace page.

Thanks!

[73novaguy]

The Olds is def one bad ride in my opinion. Who were all of the guys (Alsops, Team F-150, Team Charger) kidding when they started talking about laying there heads down at night. As mentioned earlier, Team F-150 sissed out and went running and tattle tailling. From what I have saw in the shows. The Olds is the only team with integrity going for them. I wasn't a fan favorite of the Trans Am, I hope they finish in the 1st loser spot. But I am a GM fan and give props to the car, but when they plain lied to team Olds, it all went sour for me. Team Olds all the way guys!

[FoxGranadaChuck]

Again these real detailed questions can only be answered by my bro, I help out, but they are his cars and he is the one that has done the majority of the work and along with his engine builders have made all the decisions. But I am nearly 100% positive that it has all forged internals, and bottom end girdle. This engine was nicely built but its not all out, the one he is building now with Bill Trovato for the other car....well thats another story.

Good enough.

[Damn True]

I don't get the negativity toward the F-150 guys. If it's just that their vehicle isn't that cool I suppose I understand, but other than that is kinda beyond me. What gives?

[73novaguy]

I geuss for me it is the little things. Like when they video taped the 2 teams speeding. Now the act of them doing it isn't as important here as when they lied about it right to the other teams faces, and then changed there story kinda and lied to the other team about not doing it at all. It just seems (now this is on TV I might add) that everytime they got on there walkie talkie they are bad mouthing others teams. I guess its the little things that did it for me! But like they always say "Different strokes for different folks!"