Manual vs. Auto

[Project69]

Well I personally like the auto's due to there off-the-line capabilities. You just cant beat the stall from a dig. But open roads the manual rules, so pick your poison. I got the best of both worlds with my car, 3.08 gears and a 2800 stall allows me to pull down low and up top

[Steve Chryssos]

Should you choose an automatic, be sure to go with an electronic automatic overdrive transmission. They can be custom built and calibrated to work extremely well in a "handling" environment. I have both T56 manual and manumatic equipped vehicles at my disposal. I enjoy both types thoroughly.
Unfortunately, most people have absolutely no personal driving experience with hot rod manumatics. Most opinions are based on 60 year old "slushbox" technology--not current computerized design.
I offer an open invitation for anyone to come take a test drive in one of Twist's paddle shifted house cars. I guarantee that you will enjoy the experience. More than likely, you will gain an appreciation for manumatics as reliable, versatile, effective and fun. And yes, the cool factor is most definitely present. Hundreds of people have opened their minds to the concept. Not one customer was dissatisfied. And the technology gets better every day. In addition to paddle shifting, we can now offer six speeds, engine braking, multi-disc lock up clutches, and more.

If you're at all on the fence, you should at least contact us to discuss the pros and cons of manumatic technology before you take your wallet out.

[aonghus]

Im yet to experience that (the bench seat, not the girl. lol)

I would imagine there are only a few problems to overcome with having two girls close on a bench seat.

Mclaren figured that one out back in 1996.

I personally am going T56 route, more control less money (I suppose thats relative though.) I'm sure our resident manumatic guru Steve could answer this question, but the main thing that keeps me from a manumatic is the lack of rev matching, I feel I'll have more precise control versus an automatic. I've driven a couple of Audi's with DSG transmissions in them, liked it a lot, drove an E46 M3 with an SMG (electronically governed hydraulic type auto), Not so fun.

Its you're call in the end though.

[rolltide]

Basic rule of thumb...it you can hear the engine from the driver's position...manual.

[70 LS1]

In addition to paddle shifting, we can now offer six speeds, engine braking, multi-disc lock up clutches, and more.

Can you PM me on some of these other things? Your site only talks about the paddle shifter.

[Steve Chryssos]

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[Steve Chryssos]

Better to share with everyone:

Engine braking video from RTH2. Bowler 4L60E with modified valve body.
https://www.pro-touring.com/events/p...aro-medium.wmv
http://www.bowlertransmissions.com

Multi-Disc Lock Up Clutch Torque Converter:
http://www.converter.com/vigilante.htm

Bowler also can build a 4L60E with a modified schematic that works as a six speed.

[Steve Chryssos]

Mclaren figured that one out back in 1996.

I personally am going T56 route, more control less money (I suppose thats relative though.) I'm sure our resident manumatic guru Steve could answer this question, but the main thing that keeps me from a manumatic is the lack of rev matching, I feel I'll have more precise control versus an automatic. I've driven a couple of Audi's with DSG transmissions in them, liked it a lot, drove an E46 M3 with an SMG (electronically governed hydraulic type auto), Not so fun.

Its you're call in the end though.

DSG is awesome. Some day all cars will be DSG since it offers true manual trans function and true automatic convenience. SMG is junk by comparison. And driving factory manumatics does not paint an accurate picture since the calibrations are set up for grandma. In your hot rod, you will be able to calibrate firmness to your personal taste.



As for rev matching, that is one thing that a torque converter cannot do. We never claim to replace the manual transmission drivinng experience--just enhance the automatic driving experience.

But lets face it, very few hot rodders actually know how to heel and toe downshift, anyway. And only a small percentage of hot rodders know how to do it properly.

[Steve Chryssos]

Mclaren figured that one out back in 1996.

I personally am going T56 route, more control less money (I suppose thats relative though.) I'm sure our resident manumatic guru Steve could answer this question, but the main thing that keeps me from a manumatic is the lack of rev matching, I feel I'll have more precise control versus an automatic. I've driven a couple of Audi's with DSG transmissions in them, liked it a lot, drove an E46 M3 with an SMG (electronically governed hydraulic type auto), Not so fun.

Its you're call in the end though.

DSG is awesome. Some day all cars will be DSG since it offers true manual trans function and true automatic convenience. SMG is junk by comparison. And driving factory manumatics does not paint an accurate picture since the calibrations are set up for grandma. In your hot rod, you will be able to calibrate firmness to your personal taste.

As for rev matching, that is one thing that a torque converter cannot do. We never claim to replace the manual transmission drivinng experience--just enhance the automatic driving experience.

But lets face it, very few hot rodders actually know how to heel and toe downshift, anyway. And only a small percentage of hot rodders know how to do it properly.

[70 LS1]

Better to share with everyone:

Engine braking video from RTH2. Bowler 4L60E with modified valve body.
https://www.pro-touring.com/events/p...aro-medium.wmv
http://www.bowlertransmissions.com

Multi-Disc Lock Up Clutch Torque Converter:
http://www.converter.com/vigilante.htm

Bowler also can build a 4L60E with a modified schematic that works as a six speed.

Thanks for the info, Steve.

So is engine braking different than holding the trans in one gear while you slow down? Or does it automatically downshift when you hit the brakes?

How do you get a 4L60E to work as a six speed?

[Steve Chryssos]

Thanks for the info, Steve.
So is engine braking different than holding the trans in one gear while you slow down? Or does it automatically downshift when you hit the brakes?
How do you get a 4L60E to work as a six speed?

Maybe it's time to move this thread to the trans section?

[Ummgawa]

Shift em if you got em,stick shifts all the way

[Bandit]

Real cars have 3 pedals...

[aonghus]

[quote=streetfytr68]DSG is awesome. ...SMG is junk by comparison. And driving factory manumatics does not paint an accurate picture since the calibrations are set up for grandma.quote]

Though IMHO SMG is a sad sad attempt at competition for DSG, It'd be a far-fetched argument to say that cars like the E46 M3 are tuned for grandma.

And I think Steve put it right, paddleshifting manumatic applications for our cars aren't intended to replace mannuals, but they do a dang good job of making an automatic a helluva lot more fun than drivin' a rental car!

[Steve Chryssos]

Real cars have 3 pedals...

I hear that a lot.

[Steve Chryssos]

....It'd be a far-fetched argument to say that cars like the E46 M3 are tuned for grandma...

Didn't mean to lump SMG into the "slow calibration" set. I was referring to the calibrations of most manumatics. SMG works awesome during performance driving, but is somewhat clumsy during low speed maneuvers (i.e. parallel parking). DSG works well during all circumstances.