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    Thread: Manual vs. Auto

    1. #1
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      Manual vs. Auto

      Planning the next project and need some opinions. Car will be 1968 firebird with C5 suspension front and rear.

      One of the things I am having trouble deciding is the trans. Can't decide to go with a T56 or an Auto? Which would you choose and why?

      This car will not see the track and will just be a performance cruiser. I have a T56 in my 1970 Corvette now and sometimes I wish it was an auto. But at the same time, I had an auto in my daily driver and sometimes wish it was a manual.

      Jeff
      1970 Corvette
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      C5 Z06 Brakes


    2. #2
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      Personally, Manual every time.

      You have more control, no changing gear at an awkward time - just nicer for thrashing in general.

      Autos are for cruising in town or for when you cant find a manual fast/strong enough. lol

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      How are you going to drive it? Planning on sitting in a lot of traffic, or running on the open roads? You'll be grateful for an auto if there's traffic, but if it's going to be a fun-as-all-hell street car, go for the T56! Yanking the auto and putting the 5-speed in my Monte was one of the best things I did.
      Steve Ragusa - North Jersey
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      Autos are good if you have column shift and a bench seat to have your girl close, otherwise stick all the way.
      -Tas
      '04 Mustang Saleen sc281 speedster
      '67 Mustang notchback: The fabled $500 non running project car: 308, auto, 2 barrel (now 4), AC(now removed), 5 lug, disk front, drum rear, power brakes and steering... that I got started and home for $65 :D

    5. #5
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      Quote Originally Posted by THX 138
      Autos are good if you have column shift and a bench seat to have your girl close, otherwise stick all the way.
      Im yet to experience that (the bench seat, not the girl. lol)

      I would imagine there are only a few problems to overcome with having two girls close on a bench seat.

    6. #6
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      hmmm, maybe a paddle shift auto would be the best of both. That way you can shift when you want and leave it in auto in traffic.
      Jeff
      1970 Corvette
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      C5 Z06 Brakes

    7. #7
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      I wonder if a column shift car could be converted to paddle shift, provided you switch to a more modern tranny? I love the idea of a big old couch of a front seat, love the control that paddle shift provides, but have no idea how auto's really work as far as shifter placement and such, having only owned and worked on manual cars.

    8. #8
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      It is my personal opinion that all people should be required to have a manual unless you are physically unable to drive a manual (not mentally - if you can't drive a manual due to mental reasons, you shouldn't be driving at all). Autos are boring, manuals are engaging, even in traffic. But that's just my opinion.

      Of course this is coming from someone who owns an auto pickup. It was cheap and available when I bought it. I hate driving it every time I get in.
      1969 Z/28 Dropped 2" GW uppers, lowers, leafs w/delrin, QA1 coilovers w/450 lb/in, Unisteer R&P, 1" solid anti-roll bar, subframe connectors, Billet specialties SLX-45 18X8 and 18X9 with Toyo RA-1 245/40/18 and F1-GS-D3 275/40/18. C5 Z06 brakes, 408 ci LS2, Viper T56 trans.

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      I personally am also of the opinion that autos are for old grannies, handicapped people (as Jewce said), and serious drag racers only! Funny how over here in Europe you have to special order an auto trans on your car, all the cars have sticks! Gas is very expensive and the cars must be efficient, so they run OD manuals! I too believe that shifting your own gears makes driving safer due to you having more interaction with the vehicle. The only reason I can see that most cars in the US have autos is we're a bunch of lazy bums--we will pay a $1000 "gas guzzler" tax just so we don't have to be inconvenienced to shift our own gears! Or is it that we want an auto so we can engage in other activities with the other hand while driving--talking on the phone, slurping down a Big Gulp, or smacking the kid upside the head--none of which should be done while driving anyway!

      Manuals save horsepower, give you better gas mileage, and are a lot more fun to drive!
      So what's to decide?
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      Manual. I can't say anything more than what's already been said. I'm sick to death of autos.
      -Jim...

      1970 Mustang Mach 1, Global West tubulars, roller bearing everything, del-a-lums, 355 Windsor Tremec TKO 600, lots more on the way
      A few other cool toys too

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      Had my car, 4spd manual for about 12 years and changed to auto. Just got lazy.. Well can't be that lazy if the auto is manual valve body... LOL

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      I'm a manual guy.

      [short language rant]I gotta ask though: why do people call them "sticks"? Wouldn't that make automatics "stones" or something? I recognize that at one time some folks referred to a "stickshift", but how is that different from an automatic? Don't you also shift the automatic by moving the "stick"? I guess I should try to get over that.
      [/short language rant]

      jp
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    13. #13
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      Quote Originally Posted by parsonsj
      I'm a manual guy.

      [short language rant]I gotta ask though: why do people call them "sticks"? Wouldn't that make automatics "stones" or something? I recognize that at one time some folks referred to a "stickshift", but how is that different from an automatic? Don't you also shift the automatic by moving the "stick"? I guess I should try to get over that.
      [/short language rant]

      jp
      there's been pushbutton autos
      -Tas
      '04 Mustang Saleen sc281 speedster
      '67 Mustang notchback: The fabled $500 non running project car: 308, auto, 2 barrel (now 4), AC(now removed), 5 lug, disk front, drum rear, power brakes and steering... that I got started and home for $65 :D

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      Quote Originally Posted by THX 138
      there's been pushbutton autos
      Now they are paddle shifted.

      If you are going in it the first time, Manual. I had an auto, stayed auto, just can't get them to live very long. Wish I had converted long ago . . .
      Nick R.
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      I say manual all the way. The T56 was the best thing I could have done to the Monte. GM should have built them that way. Over 300hp under the hood helps too. But you already have one car with a manual. You could drive it when you wanted to bang gears. Flip a coin...?
      Scot
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    16. #16
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      I'm biased, I have never owned a FUN car without a manual. There is nothing like being in control of the car completely. I have a T56 and it is by far the nicest manual I have owned. My 4th gen has 3.42 gears and in 6th at 70 mph its running 1500 rpm. And banging gears the car gets sideways 1st throught 3rd.
      Matt


      Current project: " Chain Reaction "

      A.K.A. " BIG " by wife, biatch in garage.

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      Ex track car: 1995 Camaro LS1 T56

    17. #17
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      Quote Originally Posted by Samckitt
      But you already have one car with a manual. You could drive it when you wanted to bang gears. Flip a coin...?
      And here's my dillema. I will be selling the corvette to fund the firebird project, otherwise I would do an auto in the bird and have the vette to bang gears when I wanted.
      Jeff
      1970 Corvette
      LS1 & T56
      C5 Z06 Brakes

    18. #18
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      Another vote for manual
      IMHO.......
      For a daily driver point A to point B (Ho Hum)Auto works best.
      But every car that I have ever owned that was strictly for driving enjoyment has been a manual...
      I love to bang the gears baby!
      Scott
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    19. #19
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      I will be converting from Turbo 400 to a T56 this winter. I hated being on a curvy road with no engine braking. Since it's not a daily driver I figure I can get stuck once and a while in stop and go and live with it.
      1968 Firebird 400

    20. #20
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      my new truck has the first automatic tranny i have ever owned and after a month of driving the thing i already miss my manual. the only classic car id own with a auto is an old caddy or a lincoln. every thing else has to be a hands on experiance

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