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    1. #1
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      Should I use a rear swaybar?

      I've installed the whole Hotchkis TVS kit up to the rear sway bar in my '71 Camaro. But I've read a few times that it causes oversteer...badly. Any opinions on this?



    2. #2
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      Yes, it can cause oversteer. Basic rule of thumb, small block cars do not need one. BB cars do. As with anything, it comes down to exactly how your car is set up and what it will be used for. If you already have it, install it and test it. If the rear breaks loose without any effort and you know you are not overdriving the car, remove it.
      Nick R.
      69 Camaro - 383, 700R4, 12 bolt 3.55, Hotchkis, Bilstein, Global West, Morris Classic
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    3. #3
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      Quote Originally Posted by 6'9"Witha69
      Basic rule of thumb, small block cars do not need one. BB cars do.
      Agreed. My Nova handles like azz without a rear sway.

    4. #4
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      Install it.
      We have the Hotchkis TVS kit on my wife's 73 Camaro and a rear sway bar is needed to balance the car. If your rear tires are at all larger than the front tires, you need the rear bar even more.

      We autocross and open track the car and it's almost perfectly balanced this way.
      David
      Last edited by David Pozzi; 11-17-2006 at 11:45 AM.
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    5. #5
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      All Camaro's have a tendency to understeer with factory suspension, so most of the time a correctly matched set of front and rear swaybars is a good thing.
      The only time I forego rearsway bars on 1st and 2nd gen Camaros is when there is a Poly or Aluminum front eye bushing in the leafspring. The solid front eye bushing causes some bind in the rear suspension so can act like a rear swaybar.
      1971 Camaro, 383 stroker ~500HP,M21 Trans with lightened flywheel. All Sorts of Auto-x Goodness in the Suspension. 12" Brakes ->SOLD

      But ask me about my 2004 STi Auto-x car...

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    6. #6
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      g/28 was slower with a rear sway-bar. Most likely due to the poly bushings making everything so stiff already.

      I think it will depend on your individual set-up
      "A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for."

      1968 Track Rat Camaro:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGHJ5c1yLIo&t=2s

      1971 Chevelle Wagon with a few mods:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBVPR3sRgyU

    7. #7
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      Um, you already have it. Put it on, don't like it, take it off again. THE best way to tell.

    8. #8
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      Quote Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2
      g/28 was slower with a rear sway-bar. Most likely due to the poly bushings making everything so stiff already.

      I think it will depend on your individual set-up
      Was that with the leaf springs or the AirBar?

    9. #9
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      I'd like to give the Gz8 a shot myself and see if its quicker with the rear swaybar. People who are not "dialed in" Auto-Xers can have massive fluctuations in runs.
      1971 Camaro, 383 stroker ~500HP,M21 Trans with lightened flywheel. All Sorts of Auto-x Goodness in the Suspension. 12" Brakes ->SOLD

      But ask me about my 2004 STi Auto-x car...

      Just call me Brett

    10. #10
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      Although I have not had mine on a skidpad, I think it handles very balanced with the rear bar. I have the entire TVS system installed with Bilstein shocks and 285 rear tires, and a big block. I don't think I'll take the bar off because right now the rear will get loose slightly before the front, which is what I want, by this point all 4 wheels are providing audible feedback and I'm at the limits of adhesion. My setup is very easy to keep in line, feels very solid and predictable. Of course your choice also depends on yopur driving style and preferences, but all-around, the TVS is a VERY well-designed system as is. I would echo what others have said here, install everything and test it, then remove the rear bar if necessary and try it again and see what you think.
      1980 Pontiac Trans Am, Chevy Big Block 468, TKO 600 Trans, Hotchkis TVS, Bilsteins, Eaton/Motive 3:73's, 18" Coddington Junkyard Dogs, Nitto NT555 rubber, Autometers http://www.fquick.com/Bandit
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    11. #11
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      Quote Originally Posted by darren@ridetech
      Was that with the leaf springs or the AirBar?
      With the leaf springs.. we never tried it with the air bar since it felt so good the way it was
      "A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for."

      1968 Track Rat Camaro:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGHJ5c1yLIo&t=2s

      1971 Chevelle Wagon with a few mods:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBVPR3sRgyU




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