What happened to Corner-Carvers.com?

[novanutcase]

Did they fall off the face of the earth. I can't get them to come up!!

[Mkelcy]

They've been having major problems with their server the last several days. They were down, then up for about a day, and now down for a couple of days. Perhaps they "welcomed" a very technically knowledgable newbie, as only C-C can . . . .

[Stangonline.com]

^^funny. There have been times when if I knew enough, I would have crashed them in the blink of an eye. THere is some good tech over there, but there are also a bunch of people who just like to hear theirselves talk....er....see theirselves type...whatever.

[trapin]

The server could only take so much animosity, pompousness, and hatred before it exploded. Shortly after, the ground opened up and swallowed them whole. Kinda like what happened in that Poltergeist movie.

[Mkelcy]

Truth be told, you accept what you need to accept when visiting any of these boards.

C-C posters are often pretty arrogant and full of themselves (frankly, more often the newbies who seem to like hazing other relative newbies), have a zero tolerance for asking a question without doing a search to see if it's been answered before, like good English and grammar, and generally like people to know what they're talking about when they answer a question. So, you get lots of attitude, but generally you also get pretty good and understandable info concentrated in a single relevant thread.

We're much friendlier, tolerate better asking a previously answered question, willing to over look extremely creative spelling and sentence structure, and less often challenge another poster's answer, but then you get to think about answering the weekly "what do I need to put a T56 in my first generation Camaro" question, have to wade through (sometimes) dozens of threads to get all the relevant postings, and have to sift out a certain amount of bad information from posters who "think" they have the answer.

If you really want to illustrate the difference between the two sites, imagine a "what-to-name-my-project" thread at C-C.com. I prefer the friendliness here, and appreciate Pro-touring.com posters' ability to ingnore threads they simply aren't interested in rather than needing to insult the OP.

I have both sites open most of the time (isn't tabbed browsing wonderful) and simply do a mental adjustment going from one to the other. I like the friendliness here (I am a site supporter) but often find the "directness" of C-C refreshing (particularly when not aimed at me).

[Stangonline.com]

The sickening part is... They complain that newbies ask repetitive questions - citing that it wastes their time and makes a mess of the board. However they have no problem spending quality time and space to tear someone a new *******. Hipocrisy at its finest.

I once came to the aid of a newb about halfway through the slaughter....what a mistake that was. I visit their for sale section once in a while, but that's it. CC doesn't deserve to be frequented by someone of my character (actually has some).

[Damn True]

It looks to be back up.

I like the unfettered tech in the Suspension/Fab and Racing/Driving forum and the passionate discourse in the General discussion. I could do without some of the self agrandizing but all in all it's a good board without the teenage element.

Overall though I prefer PT.com mainly because the tech here is closer to my intent for my car. Though CC has a leg up in terms of hardcore racing-level stuff for late-model cars.

[novanutcase]

WOW! Sounds like everyone has had QUITE an experience over there! So I guess the consensus is......WHO GIVES A FLYING FLUCK??!!!??
In the short time that I have been posting I have been lucky enough to not have been singled out and flamed so I guess I should consider myself lucky! Yes, I have read some of the posts and they can be pretty brutal but I do agree that there is some good info to be had as long as you wade through the 6th grade mentality!

[PeteRR]

The sickening part is... They complain that newbies ask repetitive questions - citing that it wastes their time and makes a mess of the board. However they have no problem spending quality time and space to tear someone a new *******. Hipocrisy at its finest.

We cull the weak to strengthen the herd. If we slaughter a newbie and thereby prevent a 100 reposts of existing tech, it's worth it.

The whole point is to cut down on the jackassery of people talking out there asses on subjects they know nothing about. If you post what you know, search for what you don't, and listen to the tech presented to you, you'll never be banned.

[parsonsj]

If we slaughter a newbie and thereby prevent a 100 reposts of existing tech, it's worth it.

To you, obviously. I doubt the newbie sees it that way.

PT.com takes a different approach: we welcome newbies and strengthen the herd through education and inclusion, rather than indimidation and mockery. To each his own, I guess.

jp

[PeteRR]

To you, obviously. I doubt the newbie sees it that way.

If the newbies actually bother to read the wiki, they'd be forewarned about the rules. Ignoring the wiki and believing you're above the rules is reason #1 to get flamed within an inch of your life.

The nice thing about their archives is, if you search for specific tech, you get only a few relevant threads. If we allow every newbie to start his own thread on a particular subject it would be very difficult to find the relevant thread with the real tech.

[parsonsj]

The nice thing about their archives is, if you search for specific tech, you get only a few relevant threads. If we allow every newbie to start his own thread on a particular subject it would be very difficult to find the relevant thread with the real tech.

No doubt this method works. CC.com does have some of the best tech around.

So what is the objective? Is it to archive tech? Mission accomplished, then. Or is to build a community of enthusiasts and grow the hobby? CC.com doesn't do that very well, I don't think.

jp

[Steve1968LS2]

I think this site would rather raise a newbie up to a higher level rather than beat them into the ground

[PeteRR]

No doubt this method works. CC.com does have some of the best tech around.

So what is the objective? Is it to archive tech? Mission accomplished, then. Or is to build a community of enthusiasts and grow the hobby? CC.com doesn't do that very well, I don't think.

jp

I agree they aren't running for Miss Congeniality. ;)

[PeteRR]

I think this site would rather raise a newbie up to a higher level rather than beat them into the ground

They don't haze all newbies, just a select few. Some profit from the experience, some don't.

[PeteRR]

Stickied at the top of the General Discussion forum, so they can't say they weren't warned:

Since the vast majority of "new guys" tend to dip their toes into the formidable waters of Corner-Carvers.com in this forum first, I figured it was as good a place as any to put this up.

First and foremost, welcome to the party.

Secondly, we wish to grow our numbers and spread the go-fast-crack-pipe addiction in as reasonable and responsible a manner as is humanly possible. Accordingly, we recognize that with the addition of new-blood often comes new and valuable ideas, and we greet the opportunity to learn from you and share what we know in return with open arms.

Yet, as welcome as the recent influx of new people truly is in principle, it has nonetheless caused some issues and must be addressed. In short, there have been a number of postings of late, ranging from the weird to the inane to the near-slanderous to the flat out bizarre to the just-not-allowed, and it's going to stop.

Right now.

Before you post anything here at cc.com based on the vast-and-yet-hopelessly-useless touchy-feely-sponsor-sucking-experience you've likely come away with from some other kindergarten or circus-free-for-all you've attended, you MUST read The Original CC.com Guide for Newbies , and perhaps even more importantly, The CC.com Draft Guide For Newbies.

Be forewarned; the tidbits of wisdom posted therein are The Forum RULES, and just as they are entirely non-negotiable, they are also most decidedly not suggestions, ideas, jokes, concepts or “things we wish you’d listen to”. Moreover, since we’re all big kids here, "reading" in this part of the world assumes that you possess above average powers of reading comprehension and at least a room-temperature IQ; should you come up short on either, you need not feel compelled to demonstrate it by wasting the precious bandwidth of this non-commercial site by asking some perfectly asinine question about “lowering your car just for looks”. This is a road-racing web-site, not a gay disco. Should you just barely crack into the “capable of digesting food and blowing your nose at the same time” intellectual range, there is no need to fear, however; the authors decided to use small words and plain language in the course of making their contributions, so you'll be able to understand it all easily.

As it turns out, the Guides contained on the Wiki Site merely outline where the fun starts. Not only does registration act as acceptance of our terms, but here, just as in real life and despite the flawed delusions that most of the amateur Perry Mason’s of the world suffer under, ignorance of the law is not an excuse, ever. Don't tell us "Oh, I didn't know", “I didn’t read it”, “I didn’t understand”, “Well, on other boards I’ve been on” or “I don’t think its fair/right/whatever”; you are charged with the absolute knowledge of what-goes, and more importantly, what doesn't. We recently set a record of having 118 users logged-on at once; we have no reason to carry a load that isn’t productive. Instead, enforcement is likely to be deliberate, swift, clean down the middle and with no excuses.

Believe it.

[novanutcase]

I think that JP and Steve pretty much summed up the essence that is PT.com. CC seems pretty good for the tech stuff but I will say that it gets pretty annoying when someone is wasting posting space flaming a newbie when a simple correction is all that is needed. I guess there are a$$holes wherever you go!

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

when i first came on here folks were the coolest ive talked to.. noone randomly singled me out because i didnt know..

not like they did to me on Lincolnforums.net... man.. that was one reason i got rid of my 64 continental..

[ProTouring442]

The way I figure it is, I'm a moron. You all know I am a moron, yet you seem to embrace me and my odd ideas with no problem. Why would I want to go someplace where they will repeatedly point out that which I already know?

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
'72 442 "Inamorata"

[Stangonline.com]

We cull the weak to strengthen the herd. If we slaughter a newbie and thereby prevent a 100 reposts of existing tech, it's worth it.

The whole point is to cut down on the jackassery of people talking out there asses on subjects they know nothing about. If you post what you know, search for what you don't, and listen to the tech presented to you, you'll never be banned.

If they truely wanted to stay on-topic and limit the BS - they wouldn't spend 2 pages of the thread flaming someone after the fact - they would simply post a link to the wiki and close the thread. Face it, they like it the way it is - being bolligerent and degrading to others is not a necessity or a bi-product of education, but an activity that they enjoy and promote. If that works for them, that's their prerogative. I'm going to spend minimal time there because of it.

I guess this is where, "To each, his own." comes in?