is it possible?

[2lofosho]

ok guys as you know i have a 66 lincoln sedan, it has a 462 lincoln motor and it sucks, no after market parts, no dress up nothing. 150 bux for a new mechanical fuel pump pfffffhhhhhh, 1500 for a basic rebuild kit hahahaha. im debating on dropping a 454 in the lincoln. nothing super fancy just some heders chrome and a nice intake and cam. and parts will be so much cheaper and easier to find. well i was thinking of welding up some tube mounts and run energy susp. bushings. and an overdrive auto trans. and probably a floor shifter. i know the 462 is wider than a ford 460 and it's also shorter than the 460. the only draw back is i will not cut the hood or put a cowl on it. the whole purpose of this car is to get a lot of positive attention and get my name out there. the car will debut <sp?> when i get my shop open. it will also have some one off control arms and probably a curre 9 inch. and 295's in the rear. 4 link and air ride 22's or better this is not going to be a pro touring car it's more of a mini truck kinda think so please dont fry me about the wheels. im not worried about my fab. skills but just dont wanna get into the hood. and the car will lay flat on the ground when aired out so the oil pan cant be lower than the frame or i will have to build some kind of cage for it. so do you think it's possible and would you like to see it?

[TonyHuntimer]

Well...If you are going to run a big block chevy with oval port heads, GM did make a cast iron low-rise that may assist you on hood clearance.

Tony Huntimer
RaceHome.com

[2lofosho]

where can i get a plastic mock up engine that will let me bolt everything to it? is there one out there? or will i have to use and old junker motor and cherry picker?

[fast Ed]

Another possibility for a swap would be the 385-series 429 or 460 Ford engine. Those were used starting in 1968 in the Lincoln, I believe the chassis was the same or similar to your 66. If you could find a complete donour car with mounts, brackets, linkages, etc., it would likely be a lot easier than a Chev swap!!

Parts are fairly plentiful and reasonably priced for the BB Ford engine too.


cheers
Ed N.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

thats what turned me away from finishing my 1964 Lincoln Conti..

there are so little parts and things for these cars!!!.. grrr..

[2lofosho]

venom you can get parts from companies like bakers, or antique auto parts cellar <sp>? but there are so many parts that are so expensive like the fuel pump, or the front calipers, you cant even get new rear drums ( that's why im going to disk and there chiney ) rotors are 150 a peice, cant get new cams without good cores, always blowing exhaust manifold gaskets, points ignition and not a lot you can do about the crappy ignition system except get a petronix point elem. kit. whell i guess the car isint built too bad i pulled it from a field where it's been for the last 11 years, cleaned the tank, new carb, and cap and points and wires, and some new fuel line a she runs!!! not great but good enough to get it around when i need to move it. oh yea and the 460 thing. alot of people are attempting this swap but... not many are finishing it. most are using 69 lincoln motor mounts and you have to shim them up and then you start to get into the hood. i think the motor is just too tall. maby a 392 hemi would work lol j/k to much money for that motor just to throw in a cruiser. what about a s/c small block chevy would that work? i mean the car does weigh in at about 3.5 tons but it's ok. dosent need to haul ass just get more than 10 mpg on the high way and be able to run good and smoke the 22's

[batman]

How about a 500 CI caddy motor? You can make a bunch of TQ and HP with these on a slim budget.

[hdesign]

Caddy motors are awesome. I'm squeezing one in my 70 Nova, you certainly wouldn't have a problem fitting it in a Lincoln. They are a bargain compaired to a BBC and weigh closer to a SBC. Great part about finding one is that it was only driven by Grandma and Grandpa.

[2lofosho]

yea but how phsycaly <sp?> big is the caddy the engine bay in the lincoln is no where as big as people think it is. like i said my only concern is it not clearing the hood. and what do i do about the power steering just use a pump that is to the engine and make some lines to go to my factory steering box? is someone was a bbc i would love it if they could measure it from sump of the oil pan to the top of the carb so i could just get a rough estimate.

[batman]

I have no affiliation or knowledge of credibility of these guys but a simple google search brought up this:

http://www.cadillacperformanceparts.com/

They might be a good place to start.

[batman]

Another great source for Caddy motor information is Jeff Schwartz. Here's his motor spec's form his website:

1973 500 cu. In. 497 rear wheel HP, 692 rear wheel ft lbs of torque. (710hp 850ft lbs on engine dyno) with nos. Fully deburred block. Ported and milled heads. Multi angle valve job, MTS (MT15) hydraulic cam lifters, valve springs. Modified and baffled oil pan for extra capacity. Dial a Jet equipped Holley 850 DP carburetor flowed to 980cfm. Custom made carbon fiber heat shield. Fabbed sheet aluminum valve covers and air cleaner, custom engraved w/ Cadillac logos and displacement. MSD ignition, plug wires and 3 stage retard control. Custom Headers modified with Caddy flanges. Ported Edelbrock intake. NOS big shot plate system, Two Holley blue fuel pumps. Turbo 400 trans, 13" W-30 convertor. Braided lines, external oil and trans coolers. Dynojet tuned.

http://www.schwartzperformance.com/cadillac.htm

[2lofosho]

yea but i dont need 500 hp. lol i mean i guess it would be nice but im looking for somthing that is easy to get parts for. somthing i can run down to vato-zone and pick up any thing i need. im thinkin 400 small block. and maby later on down the road after i get the swap done and everything is working and functional maby a pro charger,

[hdesign]

You could get great performance out of any 500 Cad with very, very little work. A caddy engine is similar to a BBF (I think you can actually use a BBF intake with the heads ported). You only need to spend money on the heads, cam and intake. You won't believe how it wakes that beast up. You can use stock parts for everything else pretty much. Serious bang for the buck.

The engine I'm using came out of a 75 Eldorado (rear oil pan)....talk about extreme hood clearance. The intake runners actually go uphill into the heads! With an aluminum intake from Edlebrock you're adding 3.5" to the overall height. I've seen these things in VW Beetles, a Chevette, and even a Nash Metropolitan so it'll fit yours. You could probably build a far superior and more durable 500 Cad engine cheaper than a tuned out, high winding SBC.

Here's a forum I belong to that a member on this board told me about recently. Ask these guys anything they are extremely helpful. http://www.cadillacpower.com/forum/index.php.

MTS is also a great source for parts www.500cid.com

[teamplex65]

Im just throwing an Idea out there as Im not sure the power or avalability of these. Since you are not interested in huge HP I think a killer thing to do would be to put a newer Lincoln motor in the car. They are still RR drive arent they. Look awesome if the cover said LINCOLN on it.

Just an idea to chew on, and you would have the reliability. I just hate the idea of a Chevy Motor in such an awesome Ford car.

http://www.lincoln.com/lincolnls/performance.asp

[formula]

I'm pretty sure all the new lincoln motors are is a mod ford with an engine cover...not positive though.

[teamplex65]

your probably right formula but im talking about the motor and tranny. I just hate to see that hood opened and a 454 sitting there. Get the tranny that goes with the 3.9 and have a pretty sweet setup that will show your business off quite nicely.

[2lofosho]

yea but. the factoy engine has almost 400 ft lbs and the car is no hot rod but it's no slug either just keep in mind the car weights about 7000 lbs and i dont thing 286 ft lbs is going to move this boat very well and the MPG would be insane because the engine will have to work so hard. if i was going to a newer engine and keeping it ford the only solution would be a 5.8 (351) came in expiditions and f150's the lightning and the HD edition. i think the town cars came with the 4.6 so did the mercs but i duno about all of that.

[Bob Johnson]

Troy just built a 67 lincoln..one of his guys could tell you about it. it was on the ground..one of the magazines just went into 429/460 build up stuff..I know the T-birds/Marks in the mid to upper 70's had the 429/460 in them. they are cheap...parts are available..Ford has the 460 and 514 from Ford SVO division

[6'9"Witha69]

Just stay away from FE motors. Whatever you do man, stay away!

[2lofosho]

fe motors as in the 390 what other engine are in this family i know parts for the 390 are getting hard to find