68 charger with a Cummins

[edog1]

Hello

I have been lurking around here for awhile now and would like to say i like this forum.
Im going to buy a 68 Charger and I have been thinking of building something different. Im considering installing a 12v cummins in place of the 440. Do you know of any links for this type of build ?
Thanks for your time

[ilovefirstgens]

welcome!

but have you ever heard of weight?

[MrQuick]

I just so happen to know the place. its www. youpsycotoomuchinhalingthehalfburntkerosenetypefue ls. com
Well you don't have to go there just ask away here cause im a 7 year level 4 trained Cummings tech. Also Dennis68 is highly trained as I think that RTdakota guy can help too. I just hope you have a real tall hood. Should be an interesting undertaking.

[TSSPAYNE69RS]

I have a cummins and a camaro. Can't say that I would ever consider crossing those genetics! It will be unique.

[PeteRR]

The biggest problem is the Cummins is tall. A lot taller than a big block.

[Madspeed]

WOW
Im speechless the poor Bast4rd looks for a few answers and gets FLAMED.

Its funny though

Anywho it oughtta be real interesting I say go for it

[edog1]

Thanks for the replies
I do know the weight will be an issue. The cummins weighs about 350lb more than the 440. Im concerned if I will need to install a full cage to help support the extra weight and torque of the engine.
Here is a link some of you might like I did. www.bankspower.com/camaro.cfm

[Elusive R]

www.bankspower.com/camaro.cfm

Isn't that car a twin turbo gasoline V8?

I don't think the Cummins deal would work out, but maybe a diesel V-engine like a Powerstroke or Duramax. I'll have to look around, I thought I had measured a Cummins for someone once before (used to test with one on a dyno).

Ryan

[Foudie]

I was not going to ever post anything about this, but a friend of mine has me thinking about converting my long bed single cab 24V cummins work truck into a short bed 12 second "somewhatofacornercarving" street truck. Sorry for the thread jacking.

[edog1]

Yes ,It's a gasoline TT I came across it and though a few people might enjoy seeing it. I hope the link hasnt been posted here a bunch of times.Im also a Camaro owner.

Isn't that car a twin turbo gasoline V8?

I don't think the Cummins deal would work out, but maybe a diesel V-engine like a Powerstroke or Duramax. I'll have to look around, I thought I had measured a Cummins for someone once before (used to test with one on a dyno).

Ryan

[Y-TRY]

Maybe not a Cummins, but I think a turbo-diesel in a hi-performance auto would be cool. Isn't Banks working on a race truck like this?

[OHCbird]

Do what you want- I'm installing a turbo'd 4.2 Trailblazer engine in my 68 Firebird.

[Blown353]

I love fast diesels, a couple of my close friends are now running in the mid to low 12's and trapping over 110mph with their 4 door 4wd 24V Dodges and I have another friend with a Duramax nipping at their heels... and another friend with a 6.0 PowerJoke who really wants to keep up but only succeeds at pumping coolant out of the headgaskets.

That being said I think this is a marriage destined to fail. The Cummins is long, heavy, and tall... REALLY tall. Did I mention heavy? You may end up with a 12 inch "Pro-Eliminator" cowl hood to clear the sucker! Not to mention the massive weight will certainly impose penalties of its own when it comes to handling prowess unless you're talking an engine setback measured in feet. You'll be sitting where the backseat used to be probably.

Now, set that thing way back, cant it to reduce the overall height along with going drysump so you can reduce the overall height even more and we may be onto something.

Still, it would be really weird to see this '68 Charger coming down the road making a bleeeeeeAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH sound as it smokes by...

And don't forget to give the Audi R10's a run for their money when you're done!

[edog1]

It would definitely have to have a turbo.
I havent commited 100% to taking the project on I just wanted to get some info and get a few ideas before I decided.

[PeteRR]

It would definitely have to have a turbo.

An ISB would have zero power without a turbo. The 1st thing to do is get the dimensions of the CTD and see if it'll even remotely fit.

[Matt]

I thought about something like this. Diesel race cars have won plenty of races. BMW has done well, as has audi. The new audi r10 race car is a seriously slick bit of machinery. what are you gonna do about the tranny though?

[Madspeed]

I thought about something like this. Diesel race cars have won plenty of races. BMW has done well, as has audi. The new audi r10 race car is a seriously slick bit of machinery. what are you gonna do about the tranny though?

Umm Alison?

[David Sloan]

CAN YOU SAY mid eng! No back seat. weight would not be as big of a problem!!
Just a thought!!!
Damn somebody hit my truck really hard. I want the cummings out of it!!!LOL!!!

[ProStreet R/T]

Wow a CTD PT car, that would be umm... interesting.


Weight is going to be the big killer here. I don't know the exact specs, but if the complete engine is under 900lbs I would be surprised.

Mid engine is never gonna work. There isn't a transaxle on the planet that will bolt to a cummins block, let alone take all the torque that thing puts out.

Trans will be a big problem as well. You can use a 47/48rh dodge 4spd auto, but the weight KILLS. Thats another 300lbs of tranny and torque converter.

You'll have to gear it super low, 3.27ish to start and get a tranny with a good OD. Remember even with a bunch of mods you will be lucky to see 4000rpm out of a 24v ctd.

I like the diesel idea, but why not look into that V10 diesel from the VW Toureg, or some of the mercedes diesels. Something taylored more toward cars and not so much an 8k/lb truck.

[JMarsa]

I have to agree with the comments directing you to a car based solution. Unless you were doing a mixed use El Camino type vehicle it really doesn't make alot of sense. After all the pair of Audi's that just won LeMans were only in the 5L range. If you already have the engine and are determined to go the diesel route, sell it and buy a car or boat based solution. There are alot of marine diesels in nthe 3-4L range that many people are not aware of.

--JMarsa