DSE complet subframe

[FJB2069]

I would "assume" that the hydro-formed yada-yada is stronger then Due or 21st, but at first glance it looks stock in apperance. It doesn't have the racing/aftermarket/performance look to it.

I have been waiting for months to see this thing and all the while was wondering what I am expecting to see, it is just a subframe!

I don't know, now that I see it I have mixed feelings. I hope I can get some specific info on how this is better as far as fitment, handling, strength then what is already out there especially if it cost more.

[Steve1968LS2]

Just because the parts say Corvette does not mean they are better. It is the geometry. Knowing how DSE designs and engineers their products, I would say yes the DSE sub is better.

lol.. wow.. that defines the term "assumption".

[Steve1968LS2]

This is my understanding too, we were not able to get individual ball joints for either side when we were looking at using this as an option. The C5/6 ball joints have a funky taper too, not the typical 7 degree or 10 degree, but that's really not of censequence.

M

This is true.. you can't replace just the ball-joint on a C5 vette.. you have to buy the whole control arm. Luckily they aren't crazy expensive.

Nice looking frame. The hydroformed side rails are cool as hell. I would think they would be stronger, then again how many frames are bending due to stress?

I wonder how oil pan clearance is.. would you have to notch a pan? Could you use a C6 pan or do you need the LS1 f-body pan.

So many questions.. Guess I should hit them up for a press release... agian..

[FJB2069]

lol.. wow.. that defines the term "assumption".

Steve,

PLease clarify your remark.

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve,

PLease clarify your remark.

This is what was said:

Just because the parts say Corvette does not mean they are better. It is the geometry. Knowing how DSE designs and engineers their products, I would say yes the DSE sub is better.

Brian is stating that it's a fact that the DSE frame is better.. based on what? One picture on the internet? He is assuming that, because the part is from DSE that it's somehow inherently better than anything else on the market.

He states that DSE designs and engineers their products and is implying that other frame makers do not. He has zero data on the geometry of this system and how it stacks up to any other frame on the market yet he says "yes the DSE sub is better".. why?

We all know that DSE puts a LOT of efforts into thier parts, but to call it the "best" at this early stage seems pretty much an assumption. Hence my comment.

It does look like a VERY promising system from the limited info I have seen on it. It's from DSE, so I know the quality is very very good. However, We don't have any data on the weight, geometry or specs of the system. It may very well turn out to be the "best", but I think it's wee bit early to be dismissing all the other subframe systems and declaring the DSE frame "the winner".

[FJB2069]

Totally agree!


I would have thought that after so much hype they could have put some more detailed spec. info on their site. May have saved they from some phone calls come monday.

[TitoJones]

Is the steel screw in insert a design change since the first batch? Seems my set has aluminum inserts.

All upper inserts are 7075 alum with a press fit, and all lowers are steel, and screw in. Been that way since SN 000001. We put a plating on the lowers, and they did look like aluminum after install.

We all know that DSE puts a LOT of efforts into thier parts, but to call it the "best" at this early stage seems pretty much an assumption.

I agree. With just a comparision on upper control arms for a factory frame, we tested a set of Global West arns, Speedtech arms, and Detroit Speed arms to see which one was "Best."

It wasn't DSE that round. It was Global West. The look of the DSE arm is pretty, but GW has more caster built into them.

Let's wait for the info before we declare this the end-all-be-all of the front clips.

Tyler

[Steve1968LS2]

Totally agree!

I would have thought that after so much hype they could have put some more detailed spec. info on their site. May have saved they from some phone calls come monday.

I am sure they will.. give them some time. I know they have been testing the sub on Stacy's blue '69.. Good parts take time to come to market.

[baz67]

lol.. wow.. that defines the term "assumption".

ass-u-me or educated observation? You be the judge.

[aonghus]

Not really! Last time I checked the upper ball joint is not serviceable. You had to replace the entire upright if it went bad. The lower ball joint taper can also get reamed out from multiple installations and removals due to the ultra soft aluminum - leading to - You guessed it - Replacement. This is just one of the reasons we did screw in steel lower ball joint inserts on our AFX spindle. I also hope that spindle is not a C5 upright, as one engineer I spoke with told me a story about 6 piston calipers ripping off a brake bracket under heavy braking at the 'Ring. They changed it for the C6 Z06. We did too on the AFX spindle.

Regardless of the above mentioned, that frame is stunning. The hydroformed rail idea was pure genius. Great engineering.

Tyler

I knew I like buying stuff from you for a reason Tyler.

[Damn True]

All upper inserts are 7075 alum with a press fit, and all lowers are steel, and screw in. Been that way since SN 000001. We put a plating on the lowers, and they did look like aluminum after install.



I agree. With just a comparision on upper control arms for a factory frame, we tested a set of Global West arns, Speedtech arms, and Detroit Speed arms to see which one was "Best."

It wasn't DSE that round. It was Global West. The look of the DSE arm is pretty, but GW has more caster built into them.

Let's wait for the info before we declare this the end-all-be-all of the front clips.

Tyler

How did the speed-tech arms fare?

Would the SC&C adjustable arms offer a range of adjustment that encompases that of the rest of the field?

Perhaps these questions would be better answered in another thread?

[ProdigyCustoms]

Looks Steve has a few more details and facts. It does look cool.

http://musclerides.com/Pages/55-57_3.php

[Larry Callahan]

Totally agree!


I would have thought that after so much hype they could have put some more detailed spec. info on their site. May have saved they from some phone calls come monday.

Check out our home page for a little more detail and more pics. I'm sure after today's unveiling at the Goodguys show there will be more info soon.

https://www.pro-touring.com/

[Steve68]

Jason, It was only a guess, I was only 4K off, sheesh,

[datsbad]

Jason, It was only a guess, I was only 4K off, sheesh,

That would have been nice huh? Looks like i was wrong also . I think it is $6700

[Steve1968LS2]

ass-u-me or educated observation? You be the judge.

Observation of what? A one-angle low-res shot?? lol

Don't make me come over there!

[Steve1968LS2]

Looks Steve has a few more details and facts. It does look cool.

http://musclerides.com/Pages/55-57_3.php

Very good! More data is always a welcome thing..

[baz67]

Observation of what? A one-angle low-res shot?? lol

Don't make me come over there!

I dare you. Do you really think you can handle this nice clean mountain air? BTW, was it assumed that all I know of it was from a low res shot?

[Steve1968LS2]

I dare you. Do you really think you can handle this nice clean mountain air? BTW, was it assumed that all I know of it was from a low res shot?

No, Im old and the altitude would make me dizzy.. damn you!

I bet my assumption was better than yours

[baz67]

No, Im old and the altitude would make me dizzy.. damn you!

I bet my assumption was better than yours

Steve, this is too easy... Can you explain why you are dizzy at almost sea level then?

Can I assume your assumption(source) is better then mine? Or is the assuming the assumption being presumtious(sp)?