New Waune Due Subframe?

[madmax]

How about old frame:

Guldstrand mod- free
Lowering springs- 150
Shocks- 400
new steering box- 400
=950

Can I have my 3100 in change please?

Now if you want more caster add 500 for the UCAs

True... but that is apples to oranges. I am talking about a tubular'd subframe with a power rack and coil-overs. Your frame is totally different. To his their own, but this new frame seems perfect for what i want to do.

[MuscleRodz]

This frame was never meant to be the frame that will top all the rest. It fills a void in the market. Lots of cars out there full of aftermarket parts on old subframes. Maybe someone can't afford to buy it all at once and opted for DSE stuff early on. Maybe his frame is damaged or god forbid got wrecked. Now he can go get a new frame that will accept wider tires, easy rack install, more header room, and won't cost $4k-$6k to do it and he can bolt his aftermarket stuff on with out losing money because it won't fit his new sub. Now you got ATS spindles to go with it and all kinds of other new stuff being marketed everyday. Take it for what it is, a market filler that I think will do very well.

Mike

[BRIAN]

I have one and it isn't going on an F body. I think you have to look past the [pice and actually the differnce of the parts.

The 1st gen F body stuff with a rack and DSE stuff is pretty stout well handling set up. No Mustang 2 cheap ass parts with thin poly bushings. Even if you went the C4 or C5 route you are still dealing with stock parts not the delrin bushed DSE arms.


The C4 and C5 stuff is nice but is mostly bought for the wow factor.

If you are going with a rack knock $500 off price for not needing a kit to install. No rust or straightness issues. Set up for engine and tranny of your choice. weight savings. Bigger tires. There are many reasons to buy one. But then again If you have a well sorted stock set up you are correct that it does not suit your needs.

I guess I am the only one who sees that these suppliers are missing a huge market by only going after the Camaro guys. These parts would benifit the Street crowd who are tired of the Mustang 2 stuff. Remember how many rods have F body clips? Stay tuned I have something to show you in a month or so.

[gr8t68]

Yes, please be patient. Wayne is right in the middle of a shop move and he's up to his elbows in builds as well as getting clips out.

He's going to be building one of these OEM clips that will be used for the product photo shoot for his site, as well as, assembly and install write up. Now if I can just find a publication intersted in my write up.

Wayne is still working on the cost details and I'll be working with him to get it on his website as soon as possible.



All I can say is stay tuned...it is coming!!!!!!!!

Since it appears you have a more direct line to Wayne, can you get some kind of idea as to when he will be back up to speed. I'm truing to get some kind of idea as to what type of backlog he has and approx how long it will take to get a 1st gen subrame with the C5 components delivered. Thanks.

[cpederslie]

I don't have any more of a direct line than any of you guys. I leave messages and send emails and wait for response. It's just lately I have been able to track him down because I had shelf racking for him.

I sent him an email. I do know that he was heading out of town tomorrow to go play in the dunes.

[madmax]

I have one and it isn't going on an F body. I think you have to look past the [pice and actually the differnce of the parts.

The 1st gen F body stuff with a rack and DSE stuff is pretty stout well handling set up. No Mustang 2 cheap ass parts with thin poly bushings. Even if you went the C4 or C5 route you are still dealing with stock parts not the delrin bushed DSE arms.


The C4 and C5 stuff is nice but is mostly bought for the wow factor.

If you are going with a rack knock $500 off price for not needing a kit to install. No rust or straightness issues. Set up for engine and tranny of your choice. weight savings. Bigger tires. There are many reasons to buy one. But then again If you have a well sorted stock set up you are correct that it does not suit your needs.

I guess I am the only one who sees that these suppliers are missing a huge market by only going after the Camaro guys. These parts would benifit the Street crowd who are tired of the Mustang 2 stuff. Remember how many rods have F body clips? Stay tuned I have something to show you in a month or so.

That is exactly where I am coming from. My frame won't work. Who knows if the next one will be good? Or it is tweaked where I can't see it? I want a rack, and if you add everything up it is just about (or cheaper!) than a full Detroit Speed conversion on a stock subframe, with a new frame, and accepts 10" wheels to boot.

I don't really need Corvette stuff. I am the first to admit this thing isin't going to be thashed at the track. It isin't going to thrashed at the drag strip (all the time!) and mostly is going to be a street beast. Call me fo-touring, but I want it to handle a little better than a bucket.

I got into restoring this Camaro not because of what a magazine told me, but the interweb. I found parts when I was researching cars that were BETTER and COOLER than the stock parts... and eventually I found this site. Before then, and before I knew what pro-touring was, I knew exactly what I wanted: a modern car in an old body. I actually learned what pro-touring is from this site (what a testimonial?)

Anway, /rant off, I may be wrong, but the rack conversions for a stock frame are rear-steer. This is front-steer. (Actually, doesn't someone make one? I can't seem to remember right now).

The moral of the story for ME anyway is: I need a new frame. I have a bunch of DSE parts. I don't want to spend $6k on a Corvette frame... and it seems like a pretty damn good solution for ME.

[67bird]

I am kinda in the same boat. I am planning on getting DSE stuff. I wanted a rack and to keep my Pontiac engine, and I had to fix my stock frame. I figured why not. So there is some interest on my part. Wayne did email me back as well. He mentioned about putting peoples name on a list and emailing them when he got caught up to see if there was enough interest to make some. I hope he does. I have been holding off buying anything until the DSE frame comes out. My concern here is that whatever I buy will be overkill for my DSE mini tub with leafs.

[madmax]

I am kinda in the same boat. I am planning on getting DSE stuff. I wanted a rack and to keep my Pontiac engine, and I had to fix my stock frame. I figured why not. So there is some interest on my part. Wayne did email me back as well. He mentioned about putting peoples name on a list and emailing them when he got caught up to see if there was enough interest to make some. I hope he does. I have been holding off buying anything until the DSE frame comes out. My concern here is that whatever I buy will be overkill for my DSE mini tub with leafs.

I don't think so... from what I understand a good leaf setup is just fine for just about anything. I can't wait for the DSE frame, and anyway, from what I hear it is going to be up there in price (ala $6000) which is $2k more than what I am planning on with Wayne's new frame. Already busted the budget... that would just put me farther

[MuscleRodz]

I don't think so... from what I understand a good leaf setup is just fine for just about anything. I can't wait for the DSE frame, and anyway, from what I hear it is going to be up there in price (ala $6000) which is $2k more than what I am planning on with Wayne's new frame. Already busted the budget... that would just put me farther

And it will not use their tubular arms currently already on the market. It will use all new stuff last I was told. $6K was the number I heard over a year ago.

Mike

[Leadfoot1]

6k...Welcome to DSE's world!

What do you expect from a company that sells a 4 point cage for 650$ when you can get a 10 point everywhere else for 250$....

'Looking forward to getting more details on the new WD frame.

Lead.

I got my 345-25-20 P-ZERO'Ss today!!!!

[Madspeed]

[quote=BRIAN]I have one and it isn't going on an F body. I think you have to look past the [pice and actually the differnce of the parts.

The 1st gen F body stuff with a rack and DSE stuff is pretty stout well handling set up. No Mustang 2 cheap ass parts with thin poly bushings. Even if you went the C4 or C5 route you are still dealing with stock parts not the delrin bushed DSE arms.


Umm My Corvette arms have del alum bushings.Just an fyi in case you thought u had to run rubber or the dreaded Uro.

[Jagarang]

Is it just me, or do I see a single-shear connection on the lower control arm?

It is not you Carl. It seems funny that Wayne would do that.

What you guys talkin bout Wilus!!

[BRIAN]

Well add the cost of those bushings on top of the Vette stuff and the price difference gets larger. That is what I am trying to explain. Not for everyone but can be good deal for guys with right combo.

[wendell]

kevin,
in one of the pics you can see that the rear pick up point on the pass side lower control arm is in single shear. Single shear meaning only one side is mounted to the frame. CarlC's powers of observation are impressive. Think his eye for detail might be expressed in that fast red car of his?

[baz67]

BTW single shear=bad 99.9% of the time

[Jagarang]

I guess I should be glad mines a C-4 clip?

Is the lower mount you are refering to, the one indicated in the photo? I'm just trying to expand my knowledge base!

Thanks for the clarification guys!