Hook a Brother Up!!

**Steve Chryssos** · 03-10-2006

Originally Posted by David Pozzi

I've got a pair of 10 year old Stahl 1 3/4" headers but not installed. If you need a dimension off them relative to the head flange, I can extend off that and measure down to the collector for you.

I'm going to bolt on a pair of headers that I borrowed. Maybe we'll compare some numbers. But I'm starting to grow weary of this search. Let's face it. Proper Pro-touring headers are $700 and up. We can pry it open (the wallet) or we can scrape, hammer, cut, weld, and/or leak.

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**CarlC** · 03-10-2006

The Lemons that are on a friend's car are superb. The basic design and layout is similar to the later model Stahl. Four years ago they were $850 with no coatings.

After all of the effort, time, and heartache, next time I'm spending less money overall and getting either Stahl, Lemons, or a custom set made. My local exhaust guy does very good work and will make a set for around $1200 to my specifications and layout.

I had a rant going, but better sense prevailed and I hit the delete button.

**Steve Chryssos** · 03-10-2006

I think this thread is ready for the exhaust section, if a mod or admin would like to move it over.

**ItsA68** · 03-10-2006

It appears that Stahl has at least three different major designs for the first gen camaro.....the Drag race set early, and late, and then the road race set. It appears that the routing is a lot different between the early and late. I like the idea of max ground clearance, but want the best fit up top too...I'm thinking at least for now, I go with the Stahl. I guess I should talk to them to decide which of their designs to go with.

The late model ones seem like they're for raised exhaust ports? I think mine are only raised ever so slightly with the Track 1 heads....I wish Lemons had some good photos....

Carl, what did you want to rant about? I for one want all the opinions I can get! We all know that 90% of the headers that supposedly fit our cars are crap. I want to know which of the GOOD ones, (stahl, lemons) fit the best and are what I want.

~~fred

**ItsA68** · 03-10-2006

Carl,

Any chance you can snap some pics of the Lemon's on your friends car?

**CarlC** · 03-10-2006

Sorry, it's a ways away.

The rant had nothing to do with real, factual, useful info. More of a venting session. I feel better now.

**David Pozzi** · 03-10-2006

Tracl 1's are raised a little, the fast burn heads are raised a lot.

**Steve Chryssos** · 03-11-2006

Originally Posted by ItsA68

Carl,
Any chance you can snap some pics of the Lemon's on your friends car?

What is it with header manufacturers and brand names? My car Stahled on my way to hire a Hooker. What a Lemon.

Yeah well, I couldn't sleep. (No really, check the time stamp)

**Todds69** · 03-11-2006

I have a set of Super Comps 1 7/8" I'm thinking about replacing them pretty soon funding permitting. I've already had ground clearance issues with these, nice flat spots on the tubes, not real bad but pisses you off noe the less... I like the Stainless Works maybe next time. Might go with the 1 3/4" for a little more bottom end.

**Steve Chryssos** · 03-12-2006

Found this pic in another P-T.com thread. These are dougs headers part number 375Y. By far, this Tri-Y design is the ultimate full length header as far as ground clearance is concerned. But with 1-5/8" primaries, they are not appropriate for high power and or big port heads.

**Neil B** · 03-13-2006

These are the 1 3/4" Hookers on my car. As you can see in the first shot, the primary passes right under the steering box where the pitman arm attaches. My car has heads with stock exhaust port location and there is evidence that the primary just barely touches the pitman arm when the engine torques over.

**ItsA68** · 03-13-2006

I had the 2131 1 3/4 Hooker super comps on my first Camaro, and the grease fitting on the passenger side tie rod hit one of the tubes. I think I just left it out unless I needed to grease the tie rod, and it was OK. Don't recall having problems with the pitman arm.

Anyone have any pictures of the Stahl headers on their first gen small block car?

~~fred

**Steve Chryssos** · 03-13-2006

Problem Solved!!!

**BA.** · 08-19-2006

Hope this is not bad juju bringing up this dead thread but I thought there was some great info going on here.
It sounded like the thread was actually for the older small block Chebby motor, NOT an LSx. Personally, I need LSx info so I thought I'd use this great thread to see if any LSx data has bubbled up.

There weren't as many pics here of header installations as we could certainly all use though.

Does anyone have fitment info related to the Kooks or the 21st Century Street Machine ones like Steve68LS2 now has?
Pics of an installed set of Stahls or Lemons would be sweet too, does no one have them?
Any pics of the Stainless Works or Street & Performance?

My main goal is GROUND CLEARANCE, GROUND CLEARANCE, GROUND CLEARANCE!

I want them so tight they squeak!
well, ....ok, maybe not quite that tight, but really really tight!

.

**Sir Don** · 09-12-2006

15 years ago I put a tri Y on my 69 Rally car. The aluminum skid plate fit flat across the subframe and the headers were just off the
skid plate, until I dented the skid plate once or twice, ok maybe 4 or 5 times. No collector plate either, so you welded or clamped the
rest of the exhaust on.

Now I'm rebuilding another 69 camaro and I would buy a 1 3/4 tri-Y if someone had them out there. Anything change since April this year?

**GIDRDUN** · 09-12-2006

Doug's Headers ( not Thorley ) part number D368 is 1 3/4" primaries with a 3" collector. These fit first gen camaro and second gen nova with aftermarket heads, angle plugs, power steering and hug the floor boards. I have installed many sets without issues. When I designed them we ran them on a 743hp 383 so i know they work. Just my 2 cents. Hope it helps.

**LowBuckX** · 01-30-2007

Originally Posted by streetfytr68

Found this pic in another P-T.com thread. These are dougs headers part number 375Y. By far, this Tri-Y design is the ultimate full length header as far as ground clearance is concerned. But with 1-5/8" primaries, they are not appropriate for high power and or big port heads.

Those are actually Thorley 376Y1. As far as primaries being to small I can point you to a few people running 1 1/2 primary headers on 383s running well into the 11s

**Rick Dorion** · 01-30-2007

Unfortunately for me, the ports on those are too small for my heads. I agree the primary size for a street car is fine.

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