My Barrett Jackson thoughts

[southernfriedcj]

Is it for sale?

Jim

Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?

[Bob Johnson]

Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?

One thing that hurts Hot rods, Pro-tour cars etc is not being able to drive them at an auction. Look under 90% of the cars and there's exhaust, oil pans, trans pans, etc hanging below the frame rails. Most hot rods drive like crap. Poor engineering is the norm, not the exception. You can have a guy that wins everything at ISCA competition, and won't even get a pity pick at Goodguys shows. Original cars have a common denominator..it's the quality of restoration that makes the difference..even then, some drive like crap..but when you change everything, engine, trans, rear, suspension etc. people are leary..and justifiably so. I sell these cars..very small percentage of them do what they should. The 29 of Royce's and Pinkies is a marvelous car..but what is it good for? It's beautiful, but you couldn't drive it for any distance..for one thing it's too nice, too uncomfortable, too small, etc. I haven't seen anything I like detail wise any better. But it's just not a logical piece. I know it's worth more, but $190K isn't chicken feed. I wish it had brought more, because I would like for Royce to have had the extra money to invest in a new car. He has a great imagination and I anxiously await his next creation. He and Pinkee are a formidable force to be reckoned with. It's guys like them that challenge creativity from others. I know how he feels because my Woodie didn't do but $200K..It cost me over twice that and would cost about 3 times that to replace. Barrett is going to get this market going..Rome wasn't built in a day..I looked at nearly all the cars at Barrett..very few hot rods had it all together. I didn't see that many great deals or I would have bought them..but then again I'm pretty judgemental and hard to [please..

[dougs68ss]

yes. i sat there in amazement ,glued to the tv .yes sometimes in awe .watching the mega million dollar cars roll on by and buyers throwing buckets of money at them. that whole circus has nothing to do with the hobby we are all enthralled with. i mean the true hobbiest is trying to squeeze as much as he can out of what he has. constant hours under the car rerouting something ,adapting some trans. or whatever someone says wont fit.getting the last 1/4inch of tire in wheelwell.i bet none of those buyers even own a toolbox.. you ask them at a local car show "whats in it" they just look at you and dont know what to say.those cars are like baseball cards ,you just stuff em in the garage and look at em once in a while when the detailer comes over. i dont know but if it wasnt for the hobby guys like ourselves ,i guess the sport wouldnt be as strong as it is. im never going to be able to have a million dollar LS-6 or KR-500 but im still going to have fun in my money sucking, little old 68 rs/ss coupe.....but at least i know "whats in it" by every nut, bolt ,compression heighth,cam lobe center etc. happy motoring!

[dougs68ss]

im just trying to say ,do you enjoy the fact that you built your own car(the way you wanted)or did you get more enjoyment just standing there with your wallet open...

[southernfriedcj]

Don't be hatin' the rich boys. I'm sure a lot of 'em worked their tails off to make their bucks, so why hate if they want to drop major dollars on a car? To some it's an investment, to some it's for the love of the car, some are tryin' to buy the cool factor, some just want everybody to think they're the man. To each his own. It trips me out to see all the haters on all the car forums. The built vs. bought, the numbers matching guys vs. the clones, the rock crawlers vs. the mall crawlers, the rat rodders vs. the billet blingers, and on it goes. I say to each his own.

[dougs68ss]

thats the love of the hobby! but the look on the faces of those who bought....when they had to write the check.,,,,the same look ihad when idropped the 2000$ for baer brakes, hey man its all in fun!

[BRIAN]

If someone offers anybody a significant amount more than it cost to build it what is wrong with flipping it for more money. Problem is BJ takes all the BS offers and puts them on the line. I always hear the, This guy offered me $100k but I turned him down deal. If you are in business to make money working on cars why not sell. Then again whatever makes anybody happy go for it. You built it and do as you please with it.

The orange and black 55 should have gone for a lot more as it is a popular body style but I agree the 29 as intricate as it was is just a little out there in useability. I guess this year the market was just flodded with Rods and the buyers felt safer buying correctly restored cars as they are a safe investment. Notice Boyd's cars bring top money in any market. It is all in the name but in his case also the quality to back it up.

As for building a car I guess the Street Rod guy who has to fabricate every piece will never see a bolt together car such as a Camaro or Chevelle as a built car unless there are serious mods. In all fairness it depends on the car and degree of workmanship.


What I got out of BJ was to but every Chrysler I can find and fill them up with crate Hemi engines.

[Bob Johnson]

If someone offers anybody a significant amount more than it cost to build it what is wrong with flipping it for more money. Problem is BJ takes all the BS offers and puts them on the line. I always hear the, This guy offered me $100k but I turned him down deal. If you are in business to make money working on cars why not sell. Then again whatever makes anybody happy go for it. You built it and do as you please with it.

The orange and black 55 should have gone for a lot more as it is a popular body style but I agree the 29 as intricate as it was is just a little out there in useability. I guess this year the market was just flodded with Rods and the buyers felt safer buying correctly restored cars as they are a safe investment. Notice Boyd's cars bring top money in any market. It is all in the name but in his case also the quality to back it up.

As for building a car I guess the Street Rod guy who has to fabricate every piece will never see a bolt together car such as a Camaro or Chevelle as a built car unless there are serious mods. In all fairness it depends on the car and degree of workmanship.


What I got out of BJ was to but every Chrysler I can find and fill them up with crate Hemi engines.

all Boyd's cars do not do all the money..his 36 Ford didn't do well..last year he sold his, well Tony Pisano's 32 Boydster..it didn't bring half it's cost..The woodie he built didn't bring half it's cost.. on and on Ron Pratt is the sole buyer that has made his cars do the cheese..as far as quality, when have you seen a car of his win a show? ie Goodguys or NSRA? Have you looked at a car of his in the last 5 years? I haven't seen a car of his even enter a competition. ..talk to the people in the sport who know quality. Have you watched his TV show? Have you listened to the employee comments, looked at how things are being done? What is your personal opinion of Orange County Chopper's build quality?

[dougs68ss]

your right on that. my neighbor sold his superbee last year, ground up resto etc hes crying now. sold it for 30 grand to buy a SANDRAIL oops! but your right about the hemi stuff.

[vanzuuk1]

I have done a lot of miles on a lot of bikes, the occ bikes are for people not into bikes.

They are the two wheel version of the cars in "pimp my ride".

Sorry if that offends anyone.

[Bob Johnson]

I have done a lot of miles on a lot of bikes, the occ bikes are for people not into bikes.

They are the two wheel version of the cars in "pimp my ride".

Sorry if that offends anyone.

ask 90% of the people on the street who builds the best bikes and cars in the country..guess what answers you will get..even worse, ask 90% of the people at a car event and you'll get close to the same answers..average Joe just don't know..

[kennyd]

Don't be hatin' the rich boys. I'm sure a lot of 'em worked their tails off to make their bucks, so why hate if they want to drop major dollars on a car? To some it's an investment, to some it's for the love of the car, some are tryin' to buy the cool factor, some just want everybody to think they're the man. To each his own. It trips me out to see all the haters on all the car forums. The built vs. bought, the numbers matching guys vs. the clones, the rock crawlers vs. the mall crawlers, the rat rodders vs. the billet blingers, and on it goes. I say to each his own.

good point ! some build, some buy ... i bought my house , i didnot build it i guess i am a checkwriter also !

[kennyd]

bob , what did the 36 bring ? that car was a hack job , there was mud hanging from the rear roll pan ,underside of the hood looked like it was painted in a sand storm . i was disapointed . strange ,strange world

[ProdigyCustoms]

good point ! some build, some buy ... i bought my house , i didnot build it i guess i am a checkwriter also !

I really like this Kenny guy!

[Bob Johnson]

bob , what did the 36 bring ? that car was a hack job , there was mud hanging from the rear roll pan ,underside of the hood looked like it was painted in a sand storm . i was disapointed . strange ,strange world

did you look at the 42 Woodie? Pratt never took delivery of it..lost him over $200K too..didn't seem to dampen his enthusiasm for Boyd though. I need me a benefactor like that. He must have 15 Boyd built cars..I guess we look at things differently..there's something there I just don't comprehend..guess it's like I used to tell the girlfriends..it starts to feel good after a few times if you know what I mean..when you just put them in a building and don't drive them, it takes awhile to see what you really have..All the results should be posted on Barrett-Jackson.com..I think the 36 did in the 60's. It didn't do a thing for me. I did like his 63 Dodge though. That red woodie did almost as much $ as my 47 did. I wouldn't trade mine for 3 of the 42 red one. That's absolutely one of Boyd's worst efforts..they even said so on the TV show..It was just an abortion every way you look at it. I heard he sold his wheel business to the same Investment group that bought American Racing.

[Travis B]

I heard he sold his wheel business to the same Investment group that bought American Racing.

yes he did..I guess that commpany i buying a bunch of wheel companys

[Bob Johnson]

yes he did..I guess that commpany i buying a bunch of wheel companys

I wonder how that worked..I thought his son Boyd Jr. had the company in his name..he's been at Weld Wheel for over a year. heard he was suing his dad..heard Mike was suing Boyd too..I actually feel sorry for Boyd. He wasn't looking very well. Heard he was in Scotty's motorhome sick. Bad thing about having a big name..State picked him out to scare everyone else about that title crap in California..charging in with guns drawn is way over the top..he didn't deserve that. Scared jim Rizzo to death..he didn't last but a few months working there..looks like a house of cards on the surface..hope not because Boyd did some nice stuff once upon a time. His vindictiveness for Chip Foose needs to stop. That's getting him nowhere..Foose is bigger than life, and has the good boy image, and deservedly so. Attacking him is hurting him not Foose. What was Foose supposed to do when Boyd went down? I thought he went over and beyond the call of duty with Boyd's original operation. He also has a hard on for Charlie and Mike..they both have the good boy image too.

[southernfriedcj]

good point ! some build, some buy ... i bought my house , i didnot build it i guess i am a checkwriter also !

I never thought of that analogy, and I'm a Homebuilder!

Jim

[Travis B]

I agree Bob...I haven't been around this as long as you and others have but some people have the complete wrong preception of Boyd...The TV thing did nothing but heart his image! Boyd can build some nice cars it's to bad he has a chip on his shoulder now(sorry had to use that analogy)

I wonder how that worked..I thought his son Boyd Jr. had the company in his name..he's been at Weld Wheel for over a year. heard he was suing his dad..heard Mike was suing Boyd too..I actually feel sorry for Boyd. He wasn't looking very well. Heard he was in Scotty's motorhome sick. Bad thing about having a big name..State picked him out to scare everyone else about that title crap in California..charging in with guns drawn is way over the top..he didn't deserve that. Scared jim Rizzo to death..he didn't last but a few months working there..looks like a house of cards on the surface..hope not because Boyd did some nice stuff once upon a time. His vindictiveness for Chip Foose needs to stop. That's getting him nowhere..Foose is bigger than life, and has the good boy image, and deservedly so. Attacking him is hurting him not Foose. What was Foose supposed to do when Boyd went down? I thought he went over and beyond the call of duty with Boyd's original operation. He also has a hard on for Charlie and Mike..they both have the good boy image too.

[Doug Cooper]

I think Boyds 36 sold for 105. Tony Pisano was sitting next to me saying how cheap it was and almost bidding on it. If it wasn't before his car went off he would have bid.