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    1. #1
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      Steve....I'm curious about the 18 gauge fill plate that your doing across the entire firewall. You say the only holes will be steering column, MC, MC Clutch. Where are you mounting the wiper assembly? Or are you not doing wipers? Ignition box? Wireing harness throughput? Throttle linkage?



      When you address those areas, I'd love to see some detailed pictures of their execution. Also...any detailed pictures of the filler plate and how it was sutured to the firewall? I'd like to see that too. Not too happy with my DS&E closeout...I want something cleaner.

      Penny's looking good. Can't wait to see her finished.
      1968 Pro-Touring Camaro LS1

      Project: Next Year
      - Start date; June '01
      - Completion; Sometime next year or the year after.....


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      Quote Originally Posted by trapin
      Steve....I'm curious about the 18 gauge fill plate that your doing across the entire firewall. You say the only holes will be steering column, MC, MC Clutch. Where are you mounting the wiper assembly? Or are you not doing wipers? Ignition box? Wireing harness throughput? Throttle linkage?

      When you address those areas, I'd love to see some detailed pictures of their execution. Also...any detailed pictures of the filler plate and how it was sutured to the firewall? I'd like to see that too. Not too happy with my DS&E closeout...I want something cleaner.

      Penny's looking good. Can't wait to see her finished.
      No wipers.. the previous owner did a great job deleteting the holes from the rear valance si I decided to ditch them all together. A little rain-x should get it done. Penny is very low option although she does have a GPS tracked track computer.. lol

      No ignition box on the LS2, just a ECU which will be mounted to the interior side of the firewall on a special braket. The wire loom will enter the car through the trans tunnel. I am running the fly-by-wire system so no throttle cable. :D

      I will see about getting more pics of the firewall for you. When you say you wish your DSE closeout was "cleaner" what do you mean? Are you talking about the tooling marks? I plan on painting mine some color like black or dark charcoal and closing off the hood latch area.

      My AFR heads arrived yesterday.. sweet!
      "A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for."

      1968 Track Rat Camaro:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGHJ5c1yLIo&t=2s

      1971 Chevelle Wagon with a few mods:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBVPR3sRgyU

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      Quote Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2
      When you say you wish your DSE closeout was "cleaner" what do you mean? Are you talking about the tooling marks? I plan on painting mine some color like black or dark charcoal and closing off the hood latch area.
      I think he means the DSE Firewall closeout, not the core support closeout.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Nutsy
      I think he means the DSE Firewall closeout, not the core support closeout.


      Well that makes a bit more sense.

      Nice part is that they saved the template from my firewall
      "A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for."

      1968 Track Rat Camaro:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGHJ5c1yLIo&t=2s

      1971 Chevelle Wagon with a few mods:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBVPR3sRgyU

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      Great. Have them roll it up and stick it in a shipping tube to send out to me.

      Actually I think I know how I can do it. I'm going to have to make a run up to the art store for some materials and then get a price on a piece of 18 gauge steel big enough for that firewall. That's gonna be tricky.

      I'm curious what they did about the body mount window on the drivers side. If my memory serves me correct I think that jutts out forward of the rest of the wall. Did they have to do some fabrication in there before putting on the new sheet?
      1968 Pro-Touring Camaro LS1

      Project: Next Year
      - Start date; June '01
      - Completion; Sometime next year or the year after.....

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      Yes, I am serious. It'll take 5 or 6 grinder discs but I think I can get through it. I'd like to know what that super epoxy is too. Thanks...I'll PM you my e-mail address.
      1968 Pro-Touring Camaro LS1

      Project: Next Year
      - Start date; June '01
      - Completion; Sometime next year or the year after.....

    7. #7
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      The epoxy is a metal bonding compound made by 3M. I used it on my quarter panels.

      You have to be very precise with the mixtures though. If you don't pay enough attention to each part of the epoxy it'll never cure and it leaves you with a sticky mess and the need to start over. I also found that it's better suited for flat surfaces rather than contours. I don't know if that will affect you or not.
      Jason Mounce
      1969 Firebird | 2008 Corvette Z06 | 2008 Mustang GT/CS

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      Thanks. What's it called? Do you have a part number?
      1968 Pro-Touring Camaro LS1

      Project: Next Year
      - Start date; June '01
      - Completion; Sometime next year or the year after.....

    9. #9
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      Quote Originally Posted by trapin
      Thanks. What's it called? Do you have a part number?
      I'm pretty sure it's called 3M Panel Bond. I'll get the part number when I get off work tonight and send you a PM.

      You need a dual canister gun to use it as well. Of you can braek open the tubes and mix on a piece of scrap metal. The gun didn't work well for me as it didn't mix the two chemicals properly.

      If you get it right the stuff is rock hard...you'll tear the metal before it'll seperate from the panel you're bonding it too. Then you can simply sand away the excess. makes a real nice seam.

      Edit: Pulled the part number from 3M's site...

      http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/e...er/output_html
      Jason Mounce
      1969 Firebird | 2008 Corvette Z06 | 2008 Mustang GT/CS

    10. #10
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      Quote Originally Posted by trapin
      Thanks. What's it called? Do you have a part number?
      Here is what my shop uses.. it's called FUSOR and man 'o man.. does it stick two peices of metal together FOREVER.. lol

      I think it might be a product of 3M.. they have a website www.fusor.com

      Here a pic of the bottle:
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      "A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for."

      1968 Track Rat Camaro:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGHJ5c1yLIo&t=2s

      1971 Chevelle Wagon with a few mods:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBVPR3sRgyU

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      My Uncle went to a demonstration for the 3M epoxy stuff, he said it was incredible how it worked and also how well it worked.

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      Firewall is almost ready to be bonded and then welded. The holes are cut for the master cylinder and steering column. Not that I have my ATS clutch master and bracket we can cut that hole as well.

      That's it.. only three holes in my entire firewall.. The new trans tunnel has been tacked in place and it is raised almost 2 inches at the firewall for T56 clearance. The pre-fabbed pieces from 21st Century made it a LOT easier. Next week it will all get welded then the studs for my fly by wire throttle peddle will be welded on.

      Last pic is where I have decided to mount my GPS antenna for the track data logging computer. It's magnetic so if I want I can open the trunk.. unstick it from the outside and stick it to the inside of the trunk.
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      "A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for."

      1968 Track Rat Camaro:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGHJ5c1yLIo&t=2s

      1971 Chevelle Wagon with a few mods:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBVPR3sRgyU

    13. #13

      fusor

      yes fusor is some of the best stuff out, sem is pretty good to, i use all fusor however, whether its fiberglass bonding, tpo bumpers, and glueing hidden seams, such as outer wheelhouses, tailpanel to 1/4, rear window fillers etc,
      looks great, i bet you cannot wait to see it done, when is the due date?

    14. #14
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      The car look comeing together nicely.

    15. #15
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      Cooling system is all together now..
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      "A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for."

      1968 Track Rat Camaro:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGHJ5c1yLIo&t=2s

      1971 Chevelle Wagon with a few mods:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBVPR3sRgyU

    16. #16
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      Quote Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2
      Cooling system is all together now..
      Wow. Steve, I must ask, what, where, and how much? That's NIIICE.
      olly

      edit: saw "afco" on labels, it's google time!
      1967 Camaro RS
      LS1, T56, LT'S, LS6 intake, ASP pulley,C6 Z06 clutch, Detroit True-Trac, 4:10 gears, GM 8.5 rear, strange 30spline, HOK Cinnamon Pearl Paint.

    17. #17
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      Quote Originally Posted by 67RScamaroVette
      Wow. Steve, I must ask, what, where, and how much? That's NIIICE.
      olly

      edit: saw "afco" on labels, it's google time!
      Pretty cheap actually.. These are RETAIL prices.. I think they sell at Jobber so it should be cheaper..

      Fan Shroud, fan and electronics = $290

      Radiator (custom ordered) = $519
      "A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for."

      1968 Track Rat Camaro:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGHJ5c1yLIo&t=2s

      1971 Chevelle Wagon with a few mods:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBVPR3sRgyU

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      Well the project should be moving FAST now since we have programing lined up for the LS2. The dyno stuff should happen in the next 1.5 weeks.

      The new firewall has been bonded on and will be welded on Monday. The new trans tunnel has been welded in place along with the transition.

      All holes have been cut in the firewall (brake master, steering column, clutch master). The ATS bracket made installing the clutch master a breeze!

      In less than two weeks the whole deal will be painted and the undercoating done.

      The subframe from 21st Century is at the shop now and I will start bolting on parts next week. I need to figure out a way to weigh it.

      Rick's Hot Rods is finishing up my new tank and all the other parts are in my garage except the new guages. There might be light at the end of the tunnel..
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      "A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for."

      1968 Track Rat Camaro:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGHJ5c1yLIo&t=2s

      1971 Chevelle Wagon with a few mods:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBVPR3sRgyU

    19. #19
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      Quote Originally Posted by Steve1968LS2
      Cooling system is all together now..
      This is my third time skimming through this thread and I only just noticed your rad ..... a dual pass. Having both hose nipples on the same side will certainly tidy up the engine bay. It will look a lot better than having 3 1/2 feet of hose running to the other side. I guess it is safe to assume that you won't be giving up any cooling capacity?
      Ken
      If there is a hard way to do something, I'll find it!
      My other car is a Vega.

    20. #20
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      i love the firewall
      (oh yah good luck)
      "Too bad Dare to Be Different these days could mean Dare to Be Fast. What ever happened to the Cars that Scared people?" John Pearley Huffman

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