lizard skin ceramic insulation

[dplenzig]

Has anyone here had any experience with this stuff. My local paint shop was raving about it.

http://www.coollizard.com/

Daren

[indyjps]

seems like there was a 60's nova with spray in sound deadener a while back, dont remember exactly what was used.

[derekf]

Pretty sure JP (parsonsj) used that on II Much.

[Ralph LoGrasso]

I'm not sure if JP used it, but I believe Dennis Linson did ('67 nova as well). I've been planning on using this stuff for my car, and checked the company out at SEMA '04. Looks like a really cool product, hopefully it works well. The best thing about it is, it's light.

[indyjps]

id be interested in any reviews people have, the one project i saw pics of looked very nice.

[62wagon]

I had a local shop doing some metal work on a '58 Impala I am working on. When finished, while they had the body on a lift, they sprayed the inside and underside with the product. The experience I have had so far is good. The only thing I don't care about is it stains easily. For instance, when wet sanding primer, it will leave primer streaks in it that are impossible to clean up. This happens wether you let the water dry or not. Upon trying to clean it, I found out that cleaners such as PPG DX330 or Dupont Prep-sol and Final Clean soften the material and leave an odd finish that is kinda un-nerving. Overspray cleans upon easily with enamel reducer. It does sand easily should you desire to paint it which I did on a few portions. I also found out it withstands a fair amount of heat as well as fire. We heated a trunk hinge and some nasty stuff dripped on it and it took it like a champ. I can not speak of driving experience yet as we have not quite made the highway. All in all, pretty good product!! Hope this helps. Mark

[65 comet]

For the areas you painted....does the paint stick well? Did you prime before paint? What kind of paint did you use. The lizard skin folk recommended ppg single stage urathane.

I have it installd in my Comet but I'm a long ways from driving it yet. I've found it scuffs easily (surface scratch only) and is not the surface coat you might want in the trunk. I plan on painting Zolatone over mine but was worried about the paint sticking.

g

[62wagon]

g - I sprayed PPG DP90 epoxy primer thinned as a sealer and finished after that just like you would anything else. I also sprayed trunk spatter paint over it and it seems to be sticking just as well. IMO, Zolatone over top of it should be fine. Yes it does scratch easy as it seems to remain slightly pliable. Good thing is, if applied heavy enough, it sands real easy. Had some texture on the bottom of the firewall below the break and sanded it smooth and finished in black shiny. Looks good to me.

Mark

[65 comet]

thanks Mark...any pictures?

g

[DLinson]

I did use it on my 62 Nova. I sprayed it everywere on the inside of the doors, roof, floors, firewall, quarters, trunk, underside of the front fenders. If I could reach it with the schutze gun, it got sprayed. You can sand it with 80 grit paper then primer over it with a good urethane primer and then block that smooth. I did this on the inside of my front fenders. I sprayed on the lizard skin, blocked, primed then painted with a single stage urethane. I sprayed it about 3/16 to 1/4 inch thick to help prevent the rocks from dining up the tops of the fenders.

I still don't have the car on the road. It is running now but only idling in the driveway. It does insulate against the heat pretty well.

Look under the "Cars" section, my Nova is the first Nova. Click that and it will link you to my web site. Go to the "Body" section and then go to the "Paint" section. You can see the material on the floors in some of the pictures. It kinda looks like bedliner but it styes plyable. Clean-up is just water while it's still wet. After it dries is another story. You can mask off sections and spary. It will leave a pretty clean edge when you remove the tape. I did this on the inside of my trunk lid to keep it away from the areas that won't be covered by leather.

I used about 5 gallons of Lizard Skin on the interior. It only weighs about 2 lbs. per gallon.
Hopefully in a couple months it will be on the road. If I remember I'll post here.

Dennis

[capbuster]

First layer of Lizard skin has been applied. I sprayed the SC (sound control) layers on yesterday. Went on real easy, it's the masking that takes forever. Next will be the regular lizard skin (heat control) over this, tomorrow hopefully, if the weather cooperates and doesn't get too cold.

With even the SC layer you can already hear the difference. Banging on the regular floor pans would give you a kind of clang sound, you know, with some resonance. But now it's kind of a dead thud.

I've attached a couple of pictures.

[Damn True]

I know Bob J. put this stuff into the G-Force Cuda. I'd be interested in hearing his impressions of its efficacy after driving the thing on power-tour.

[Ricoch3T]

I couldn't get the pictures to come up... can anyone else see them?

First layer of Lizard skin has been applied. I sprayed the SC (sound control) layers on yesterday. Went on real easy, it's the masking that takes forever. Next will be the regular lizard skin (heat control) over this, tomorrow hopefully, if the weather cooperates and doesn't get too cold.

With even the SC layer you can already hear the difference. Banging on the regular floor pans would give you a kind of clang sound, you know, with some resonance. But now it's kind of a dead thud.

I've attached a couple of pictures.http://us.a1.yahoofs.com/users/41afb...YaL9DBZRc2wZpxhttp://us.a1.yahoofs.com/users/41afb...YaL9DB3LDzcTnC

[Bob Johnson]

We used Lizard Skin as well as some dynomat on the Cuda. Also used exhaust wrap and another insulation from DET I think it was. Cuda was cool inside. Both 3.5 inch exhaust come right thru the tunnel in the center of the car. And that exhaust is hot. The pyrometer readings on the dyno were 1150 degrees or so,,,where Indy wanted it to be. The tunnel feels warm but definitely not hot. The product doesn't dry hard. Keeps it from cracking..Works great in nooks and crannies where you would have a hard time with dynomat etc. Alan sprayed it in the inner roof, trunk, bottom of the trans tunnel, floor pans, inner doors etc. He's impressed with the heat control qualities. Doesn't work quite as well as dynomat on sound control but at .060 thick you couldn't expect it to. It's real light, and that's a good thing. We will use it again. We will use a little dynomat in areas that produce lots of noise. I've got to fill the driveshaft with some foam or something. Those square gears produce a whine that runs up the driveshaft and are noisy. Wish I could use a carbon fiber shaft but it's just too hot in that tunnel..

[Damn True]

Im led to think from your description that coating everything with the Lizard skin then backing that up with dynomat on the big open expanses of sheetmetal would be the best available combination of heat/sound control. Ya know, like inside the door panels, floors, roof, rear bulkhead, firewall, perhaps inside the front fenders etc. Ya think Alan would agree with that, or is there more to it?

[capbuster]

Well...sorry the picture links aren't working.



I've figured out how to upload attachments....here are a few of the car.
I have shot both the sound control (shot on first) and the heat control.

[KWIKND]

Here is a couple of pictures. It is the not the perrrtiest or the toughest stuff but for interior or trunk application it is great. Put it were ever you can spray, very lightweight, easy to apply so says Tim Strange.

Good Luck
Dan