question about DSE 67-69 camaro front frame.

[68ash]

I'm trying to find what the Track width is of the aftermarket DSE front sub frame. I called DSE and the guy I spoke too said he didn't have it readily available and would have to speak with his engineers to get it, and even then may not be able to give that information out.... They provide it for some of their other products, not sure why I got that answer. I figure there are enough guys around here running them, someone has got to know.

[rchaskin]

I am almost positive the WMS is in the same place as stock.
The rails are moved in some, but where the wheels mount is stock.

[dhutton]

59.5" as far as I know.

Don

[dontlifttoshift]

.....plus rotor thickness.

[68ash]

just looking for hub to hub, can do the rest of the math from there. I'd imagine it's somewhat close to factory, i just don't want to assume and be way off.

Thanks for the reply's so far though!

[dhutton]

The pdf instructions here tell you what backspacing is needed versus wheel width if that is what you are trying to figure out:

http://www.detroitspeed.com/1967-196...-subframe.html

Don

[Kcorrigan2]

If you are trying to decide about whether to buy this or not I would seriously encourage you to give Rob at No Limit engineering a call. I have one of his Sniper IfS on my '68 Camaro and you will not find a better front sub...period. It's the only sub that I am aware of that will fit a 315 wide tire inside stock fenders...absolutely state of the art design, geometry...the car handles incredibly well both on the road or on the track, camber, caster and toe changes are a snap and all the coupe ants are designed to hold up to the abuse of racing.

[68ash]

I'll be honest... here's what i have going on. I've already purchased a Front sub from another manufacturer and Before anybody says it, i'm comparing apples to oranges, yes i know...

I'm trying to figure out wheel fitment. There are a lot of people using the DSE equipment, so i have a lot of information about what fits and what can be made to fit. I have not assembled my front sub yet, so i am trying to compare by using measurements given by each manufacturer. i know what backspacing works on both frames (DSE and mine) but i just wanted to make sure the track width was roughly the same so the wheels wont be sticking WAY out.

I know everyone is probably going to tell me this is the wrong way of doing it, but this is how im doing it... I appreciate all the help so far though!

[Kcorrigan2]

I'll be honest... here's what i have going on. I've already purchased a Front sub from another manufacturer and Before anybody says it, i'm comparing apples to oranges, yes i know...

I'm trying to figure out wheel fitment. There are a lot of people using the DSE equipment, so i have a lot of information about what fits and what can be made to fit. I have not assembled my front sub yet, so i am trying to compare by using measurements given by each manufacturer. i know what backspacing works on both frames (DSE and mine) but i just wanted to make sure the track width was roughly the same so the wheels wont be sticking WAY out.

I know everyone is probably going to tell me this is the wrong way of doing it, but this is how im doing it... I appreciate all the help so far though!

I wouldn't say what you are trying to do is right or wrong but terminology does matter. Track width is center of wheel to center of wheel...which is dependent on wheel width and backspace...or offset. I think you are looking for the dimension from the outside of the wheel to the outside of the opposite wheel...is that correct? If yes I can give you that dimension in general but there are a few other factors to consider if you are going for the maximum width wheel / tire combo. My car uses every millimeter of space to fit the widest tires in the widest configuration....I hope that makes sense. But here is the deal. You have to consider static camber and camber gain as the car rolls...not knowing your suspension makes it difficult to calculate what the widest combo might be.
I will be happy to provide you with my outside dimensions...'68...but I can't guarantee it will work on your car. I know this kind of sucks as an answer but there are a lot of variables...of course if you are willing and able to modify your wheel openings...you can do a lot more

[dhutton]

It may not be wrong but it might not be wise. Depending on your timing if you could hold off ordering your wheels until the black Friday sales you could likely be accurate and save a bunch of money.

Don

[68ash]

I wouldn't say what you are trying to do is right or wrong but terminology does matter. Track width is center of wheel to center of wheel...which is dependent on wheel width and backspace...or offset. I think you are looking for the dimension from the outside of the wheel to the outside of the opposite wheel...is that correct? If yes I can give you that dimension in general but there are a few other factors to consider if you are going for the maximum width wheel / tire combo. My car uses every millimeter of space to fit the widest tires in the widest configuration....I hope that makes sense. But here is the deal. You have to consider static camber and camber gain as the car rolls...not knowing your suspension makes it difficult to calculate what the widest combo might be.
I will be happy to provide you with my outside dimensions...'68...but I can't guarantee it will work on your car. I know this kind of sucks as an answer but there are a lot of variables...of course if you are willing and able to modify your wheel openings...you can do a lot more

By bad with the terms. I was just going off some info i found from DSE which referred to track width of their frames as Hub to Hub. Which is exactly what im looking for. I'm fully prepared to do fender work, and already planned on having to modify/make inner wells. I went with the Chassisworks front end (local for me, toured the shop before buying. Great guys, awesome shop!) The only bummer part is i cant find anyone that's really pushed the limits using one. that's why i'm trying to compare it to another manufacturer. I cant wait to figure it all out so i can post about my progress for the next guy who decides to go this route.

It may not be wrong but it might not be wise. Depending on your timing if you could hold off ordering your wheels until the black Friday sales you could likely be accurate and save a bunch of money.

Don

I like the way you think! It could very well be worth it for me to wait that long (savings and more time to figure everything out). Plus i might end up having to throw it all together just to make sure what i come up with works. only problem is the wheels i currently have are only 15" and they will not fit over the new brakes so it will have to happen when i can afford to dedicate the shop space until the new wheels get in.