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    1. #1
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      SCCA is adding a class just for us!

      Below is the final draft of rules to be presented to the SCCA BoD for a class targeted specifically at Pro-Touring cars. This was brought forth by Raleigh Boreen who's a member of my Region (Indianapolis) after much research and input from people in the Pro-Touring world as well as experience from Indy Region's SMC class. Raleigh and his wife Velma are working as paid consultants to the SCCA working on methods and ways to help regions improve and expand regions tools to put on better Solo (autocross) events. One of the things they were charged with is how to attract more of us to SCCA events.

      Pending BoD approval (which is almost certain) the new class called CAM (Classic American Muscle) will be a Regional only class meaning the class won't be included in National Tour events, Solo Match Tour events, and the Solo Nationals. At least initially. There are already things I can't talk about that may happen that could expand class recognition. The class will be in Appendix B of the 2014 SCCA Solo Rule Book.




       CAM - Appendix BAPPENDIX B - CLASSIC AMERICAN MUSCLE (CAM)
      Rationale: The purpose of CAM is to attract automobile enthusiasts to SCCA who are currently interested in and/or participating in the Goodguys® Autocross events or other similar events for "classic" vehicles (e.g., Street Machine, Muscle Car, Hot Rod, Truck, Street Car, Late Model, etc.) built in North America by manufacturers based in the US (e.g., "The Big Three" – GM, Ford, and Chrysler). These avid enthusiasts would largely be a new and different group of folks to join with us as SCCA® members and participants.
      However, many of these types of cars may not have a favorable clas
      sification at their local SCCA® Solo® events. By having a simple, single set of rules used across the country, these new autocross enthusiasts would be able to participate in multiple Regional Solo® events with a more consistent experience. Additionally, this gives SCCA and the Solo® Events Board an opportunity to see the viability of this type of participation at all levels of Solo® events. Therefore, Regions are encouraged to offer this program and to encourage Classic American Muscle car enthusiasts to join the fun at your SCCA Solo events!
      Eligible Vehicles

      1. Vehicle must be considered a "street legal" (lights, wipers, etc.), US-domestic automobile of front-engine/RWD configuration or a "pick-up" truck. Must be licensed and insured.
      2. Vehicle must pass the mandatory safety inspection (tech) and be in compliance with Section 3, Vehicles, of the 2014 SCCA® National Solo® Rules.
      3. Vehicles must weigh 3000 pounds or more.

       
      Body

      1. All body panels must be present in the original standard locations and may be modified or replaced. Exc


      1. eption: High-Boys (1954 and earlier), Roadsters (1954 and earlier), and Trucks (1940 and earlier) are not required to have fenders or hood sides.
      2. All glass must be present. Side glass components may be replaced by Lexan®.
      3. Interior must be finished and have minimum seating for two adults.
      4. The fuel tank/cell must be separated from the driver/passenger compartment by a metal panel/bulkhead. The fuel tank/cell shall not vent into the driver/passenger compartment.

       
      Wheels and Tires

      1. Any metallic wheels are allowed. Non-metallic wheels must be certified from an appropriate, recognized standards organization (e.g., FIA, SFI, SAE, TUV, etc.).
      2. Only DOT-approved tires with a UTQG Treadwear Grade of 200 or more are permitted.

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      ppendix B - CAM2013 SCCA® National Solo® Rules— 281
      Body Electrical System

      1. Electrical components and wiring are unrestricted.

       
      Brake System

      1. Brake system and components are unrestricted.

       
      Suspension and Steering

      1. Suspension and steering components are unrestricted. Method of attachment is unrestricted.

       
      Engine and Drive Train

      1. Engine, drive train, and associated components (internal and external) are unrestricted.

       
      Classing Options, based on local demand:

      1. A single CAM class for vehicles meeting the above requirements.
      2. Two classes (CAM-A and CAM-B) split on a model year (e.g., pre-1973 and 1973-on or pre-1983 and 1983-on).
      3. Two classes based on body style; muscle car and/or hot rod (alternate minimum weights may be considered).
      4. Other methods of subdividing based on local CAM enthusiast requests.

      Dave Dusterberg
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      1979 Aspen R/T (under construction soon to be #19 CAM/T)
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      FANTASTIC!!!

      This is great news Dave, I can't wait to see how the BOD reacts to this.
      Lance
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      Quote Originally Posted by SSLance View Post
      FANTASTIC!!!

      This is great news Dave, I can't wait to see how the BOD reacts to this.
      If you mean SCCA's BoD, my understanding that this is a done deal. Or are you talking about your Region's BoD?
      Dave Dusterberg
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      1979 Aspen R/T (under construction soon to be #19 CAM/T)
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      Thats great news, more opportunities for seat time...
      Big dreams, small pockets....

      Chris--
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      SCCA's BOD... I thought it was pending based on your post?

      I'm curious if our Region should adopt this class or just run with the Street Machine class we adopted last fall for the upcoming season?

      I'd love to compete at Nationals in CAM. Can't wait to see how this takes off.
      Lance
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      Quote Originally Posted by SSLance View Post
      SCCA's BOD... I thought it was pending based on your post?

      I'm curious if our Region should adopt this class or just run with the Street Machine class we adopted last fall for the upcoming season?

      I'd love to compete at Nationals in CAM. Can't wait to see how this takes off.
      It is still pending but SCCA's BoD as of late has taken the view if something is presented by the program rules committees then they will approve it with little to no question. The BoD is taking the view that they are there as oversite but that the committees know best what is needed for their programs. So unless something is presented that's really out of line with the SCCA's mission, they'll approve it.

      Here in Indy we will be adopting the CAM rules in place of our SMC rules. For CAM to be successful, everyone needs to support CAM.
      Dave Dusterberg
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      1979 Aspen R/T (under construction soon to be #19 CAM/T)
      2002 Ram 1500 SLT
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      Quote Originally Posted by IndyDave View Post
      It is still pending but SCCA's BoD as of late has taken the view if something is presented by the program rules committees then they will approve it with little to no question. The BoD is taking the view that they are there as oversite but that the committees know best what is needed for their programs. So unless something is presented that's really out of line with the SCCA's mission, they'll approve it.

      Here in Indy we will be adopting the CAM rules in place of our SMC rules. For CAM to be successful, everyone needs to support CAM.

      I saw a draft of the 2014 rule book and it's in there.

      I agree that we should run CAM to support it. I'll start letting everyone know about it around here.
      Lance
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      Sounds pretty interesting to me but I would hate to need to ad 500lbs of balast to my car.

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      Quote Originally Posted by avewhtboy View Post
      Sounds pretty interesting to me but I would hate to need to ad 500lbs of balast to my car.
      The upside is you can add that 500# were it would do you the most good!
      Dave Dusterberg
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      2002 Ram 1500 SLT
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      There is also CP and SM those are 4 seater class that allows you to run lighter. It's up to what you choose to do..Or just add weight and make it work.


      I'm still wondering if this is a done deal or something suggested

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      Quote Originally Posted by avewhtboy View Post
      Sounds pretty interesting to me but I would hate to need to ad 500lbs of balast to my car.
      Are you thinking your car will weigh 2500# ?

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      Quote Originally Posted by avewhtboy View Post
      Sounds pretty interesting to me but I would hate to need to ad 500lbs of balast to my car.

      Quote Originally Posted by Ron Sutton View Post
      Are you thinking your car will weigh 2500# ?
      whoa! super race car, I need to find all those secret lighting tips! the faster my car gets the heavier it seems to become?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Ron Sutton View Post
      Are you thinking your car will weigh 2500# ?
      Not that it's that important, but it's possible, It's a Vega, they make every panel in fiberglass and lexan windows. If you look at the
      weights of the drag cars it's quite possible. Of course this was by design to take advantage of no weight rule.

      Rick

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      lol... I could shave 500 pounds off and still be good...
      Lance
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      Excellent! We hope to make some time to run with the Indy and Columbus region in 2014.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tommycomfort View Post
      Excellent! We hope to make some time to run with the Indy and Columbus region in 2014.
      We'd love to have you run Indy events! For 2014 we have added 2 events at the Indiana State Fairgrounds and have one at the Indianapolis Speedrome. The rest of the schedule will be at grippy Grissom in Peru.

      In addition to our Solo events we will be hosting at least 2, hopefully 3 Dragcrosses at Grissom. Dragcross is our local version of SCCA's Pro-Solo but it's simplified. We don't utilize a class structure instead we create eliminators via qualifying. Qualifying consists of 2 passes on each course with the sum of the best time from each course being the qualifying time. Cars are then placed in either 8 or 16 car eliminators based on their qualifying time. Eliminations are run with each pairing making a run on each course and the sum of the 2 runs determines a winner. The courses start side by side drag race style and peel off into separate autocross courses. One course is a longer, more open "fast" course while the other course is a shorter but slower and more technical "slow" course. In eliminations hitting a cone is an instant loss. Each eliminator produces a winner and the winners compete for Champions honors in a final eliminator that is run with handicaps. First round losers go on to compete in an all-run eliminator in which the winner also competes in the Championship eliminator. It's a ton of fun and everybody gets a minimum of 8 runs!
      Dave Dusterberg
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      2002 Ram 1500 SLT
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      This is pretty cool. I will contact Chicago and Milwaukee region and see if they are interested in running this.

      Jason Rhodes had drafted up something similar, although far more in depth, that looked like it could have worked at a National level. He was calling it STP, admittedly, I didn't think there was a chance in hell of anything like this going through with SCCA.

      Dave, I could not care less, but the SCCA types will want to know if anyone had though about a pax number for this class yet?
      Donny

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      Quote Originally Posted by dontlifttoshift View Post
      This is pretty cool. I will contact Chicago and Milwaukee region and see if they are interested in running this.

      Jason Rhodes had drafted up something similar, although far more in depth, that looked like it could have worked at a National level. He was calling it STP, admittedly, I didn't think there was a chance in hell of anything like this going through with SCCA.

      Dave, I could not care less, but the SCCA types will want to know if anyone had though about a pax number for this class yet?
      PAX is still being figured out by people who know and care a whole lot more about PAX than me. I read Jason's thread over on RoadRaceAutoX and while it was well crafted, it was VERY SCCA-ized. I know that the decision was made early on to refrain from SCCA-izing any ruleset any more than was needed to satisfy SCCA safety rules. The goal was to give pro-touring folk another option to get seat time and get all the Regions on the same page rule wise.
      Dave Dusterberg
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      1979 Aspen R/T (under construction soon to be #19 CAM/T)
      2002 Ram 1500 SLT
      2005 Magnum R/T
      2005 Mustang GT #19 CAM/C

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      Quote Originally Posted by IndyDave View Post
      PAX is still being figured out by people who know and care a whole lot more about PAX than me. I read Jason's thread over on RoadRaceAutoX and while it was well crafted, it was VERY SCCA-ized. I know that the decision was made early on to refrain from SCCA-izing any ruleset any more than was needed to satisfy SCCA safety rules. The goal was to give pro-touring folk another option to get seat time and get all the Regions on the same page rule wise.
      The problem is this class allows scratch-built tube-frame monsters with a tiny footprint, massive aero, and race car weight distribution (60%+ rear)...which is not anything like what P-T is about. It wouldn't have been that hard to exclude obvious ringers, while disallowing practically nobody.

      I'm not complaining, but will be holding off on changing my car until they come up with a place where stock-bodied classic cars on street tires have a legitimate place to play.

      This is just a "provisional" class - not a real one. There is no championship on the line.

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      very sweet!...I need the seat time!
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