Protouring Raffle Poll

[trapin]

Those other cars would sell tickets too. And I'm not a non-believer.

Do the '69 Camaro if you must, I'll still buy my tickets. But next time we do this it should be a different car.

.......if there is a next time.

[Travis B]

Sorry non-believers, but a 69 Camaro will sell tickets!

I never said it wouldn't sell tickets I just tired of seeing the same old thing!

[69rs]

Your sister and I came to the same conclusing..

She asked me to send this to you, since it's your favorite pic of her.

[Steve1968LS2]

She asked me to send this to you, since it's your favorite pic of her.

Wow, I can see the family resembleance..

Ok, enough frivolity.. back on topic

Like I said, first car should be a 69 Camaro and the success of that venture will allow for the second car to be something else. But the fact of the matter is that this is being marketed to "the masses" and as such it has to have wide appeal.

[69rs]

Sorry! but he deserved it!

[Travis B]

But the fact of the matter is that this is being marketed to "the masses" and as such it has to have wide appeal.

I can understand the marketing and popularity of a camaro! Does anyone know who would be building the car?

[69rs]

I heard that Frank wanted to.

[rob07002]

Having someones car done presents a TON of problems..

1. what if you want it done differently than the built calls for? After all the Overhauling people have no say in what is done to thier cars.

Good Point

2. this would preclude maketing an image of the final car.. people would be buying into a promise of a car rather than a tangible car that exists

Good Point

3. I see much more liability in them doing the winners car then in just giving away a car.. how to complain about a little issue on a free car compared to a little issue on "your pride and joy"

Extremly good point

4. what if they don't overhaul the car fast enough for the owners tastes?

I hear ya!

5. you can always sell the won car to pay the taxes and to put the cash into your own project

TAXES!!!! no one said anything about taxes

Well then I say build a PT Omni
Screw it I never win anything anyway...

[MuscleRodz]

I think from what I am understanding is Frank and Prodigy Customs will be building it. Besides the experience in car raffles, he also builds killer cars. No complaints here. However, I think once the ball is rolling, that the members here could vote on the direction of the project making sure to use any parts donated. That way the forum would have a say in what we feel a Pro-Touring car should be.

Mike

[Travis B]

I think from what I am understanding is Frank and Prodigy Customs will be building it. Besides the experience in car raffles, he also builds killer cars. No complaints here. However, I think once the ball is rolling, that the members here could vote on the direction of the project making sure to use any parts donated. That way the forum would have a say in what we feel a Pro-Touring car should be.

Mike

I see no problem with Frank building it....he has built his share of first gen F-bodys from what I have seen!

[bnickel]

why not do a 70-73 'maro instead? that's really the only bodystyle camaro i like. if i won i would probably sell the 69 but if it was a 70-73 i'd drive the wheels off of it.

[Steve1968LS2]

TAXES!!!! no one said anything about taxes

Well then I say build a PT Omni
Screw it I never win anything anyway...

Same as on Overhauling..

You have to pay tax on the winnings just like you hit the lotto. You could work the labor as "donated" but the winner would still be responsible for IRS taxes on the value of the car/parts plus local taxes and license..

Still, it's pretty cheap for a PT car..

I don't know of a way around the IRS deal but I am not a tax guy.

[HatTrick]

I think from what I am understanding is Frank and Prodigy Customs will be building it. Besides the experience in car raffles, he also builds killer cars. No complaints here. However, I think once the ball is rolling, that the members here could vote on the direction of the project making sure to use any parts donated. That way the forum would have a say in what we feel a Pro-Touring car should be.

Mike

The problem with this idea is there are as many opinions as to what PT is as members. Some recent threads show this. Like you mentioned, Prodigy is fully capable, if they say they are building it PT then thats what they'll do. I would want Prodigy to decide what level of forum input to consider, especially since its their give-away.

Respecting your opinion,
Chad

[jy211]

why not do a 70-73 'maro instead? that's really the only bodystyle camaro i like. if i won i would probably sell the 69 but if it was a 70-73 i'd drive the wheels off of it.

I've got one of those laying around....

and I might be willing to trade it towards a paint job for my 56' 2 door!

[ProdigyCustoms]

Steve understands!

[HatTrick]

Having someones car done presents a TON of problems..

1. what if you want it done differently than the built calls for? After all the Overhauling people have no say in what is done to thier cars.

2. this would preclude maketing an image of the final car.. people would be buying into a promise of a car rather than a tangible car that exists

3. I see much more liability in them doing the winners car then in just giving away a car.. how to complain about a little issue on a free car compared to a little issue on "your pride and joy"

4. what if they don't overhaul the car fast enough for the owners tastes?

5. you can always sell the won car to pay the taxes and to put the cash into your own project

Responces:
1. The build would be driven by a budget (I would imagine). If you are within that constraint, then let the owner be involved in the car's direction.

2. True, can't argue with that. But, DIY and overhaulin do it all the time, granted those are give-aways and not raffles.

3. Liability is only paperwork. There would have to be some sort of release for any car give away.

4. Schedule could be defined in the Rules and Conditions.

5. You could do this with any car.

Personally, I like the idea of having my own car done most. I think that would drive ticket sales as much as being able to market a car. My answers are not educated through any experience, so I may be off base, but these are my thoughts on the above isssues.

[ssdeuce]

A would buy atleast 4 @ $50.

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve understands!

Thanks..

I think the only input from the members should be on the color/look of the car. Maybe Kris could render the car in 3 or 4 color/styles and everyone could vote.

That would be fun, involve the board and yet not turn into a circus where people are arguing over DSE vs Global West coil overs and that sort of stuff.. If we spend time voting on every aspect of the car nothing will get done.

[Steve1968LS2]

Responces:
1. The build would be driven by a budget (I would imagine). If you are within that constraint, then let the owner be involved in the car's direction.

2. True, can't argue with that. But, DIY and overhaulin do it all the time, granted those are give-aways and not raffles.

3. Liability is only paperwork. There would have to be some sort of release for any car give away.

4. Schedule could be defined in the Rules and Conditions.

5. You could do this with any car.

Personally, I like the idea of having my own car done most. I think that would drive ticket sales as much as being able to market a car. My answers are not educated through any experience, so I may be off base, but these are my thoughts on the above isssues.

Valid points but what if the owner has a 64 Riviera and wants that done.. now you have a car with little to no aftermarket (that equals no donated parts) and a LOT more fab work. Also, since there is no car being raffled it will be impossible to get sponsors on board since they will not even know if the winning car will be able to use thier products.

There is something anti-climatic about raffleing off a promise where all the action takes place AFTER the winner is chosen and everyone quits caring as much because they don't have a horse in the race any more.

Also, what about the guys that want to play but don't have a car? The Overhauling approach is good in concept but tough to execute, especially from a marketing standpoint.. When you are advertising the raffle what would you show? An empty lift with the words "imagine your car here"? By having a tangeble item that people can see and want you are selling something rather than the idea of something.

The excitement of the Raffle pretty much ends once the winner is picked. By building the car afterwards the interest level in the build will be very minimal compared to watching the build of a car that YOU MIGHT WIN. Watching the car come together is the sort of thing that makes people buy tickets and pay attention.

I hope some of that made sense..

[rob07002]

Valid points but what if the owner has a 64 Riviera and wants that done.. now you have a car with little to no aftermarket (that equals no donated parts) and a LOT more fab work. Also, since there is no car being raffled it will be impossible to get sponsors on board since they will not even know if the winning car will be able to use thier products.

There is something anti-climatic about raffleing off a promise where all the action takes place AFTER the winner is chosen and everyone quits caring as much because they don't have a horse in the race any more.

Also, what about the guys that want to play but don't have a car? The Overhauling approach is good in concept but tough to execute, especially from a marketing standpoint.. When you are advertising the raffle what would you show? An empty lift with the words "imagine your car here"? By having a tangeble item that people can see and want you are selling something rather than the idea of something.

The excitement of the Raffle pretty much ends once the winner is picked. By building the car afterwards the interest level in the build will be very minimal compared to watching the build of a car that YOU MIGHT WIN. Watching the car come together is the sort of thing that makes people buy tickets and pay attention.

I hope some of that made sense..

Steve you sold me!

I'll take one "Mule" convertible in 2005 Mercedes charcoal gray metallic, white houndstooth deluxe int, white top, and with white z stripes.....PLEASE!