Fast efi 2.0

[Fastrun72]

Anybody have any info on when this will be available?

[Mr Nick]

New self learning unit? Hope it will control timing too.

[Mr Nick]

YES it can control timing. Now I need to decide between Holley HP self tuning and FAST EZ EFI 2.0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBWy7we9ntc

[Thephranc]

I was reading about this earlier. The only place I've seen it available is on the FAST web site. It has a configurater so you can add functionality to a base system.

[Mr Nick]

70035

[TheJDMan]

Does anyone know if this is a returnless system or does it need to have a return line plumbed?

[Thephranc]

It can be returnless.

[65-fastback]

Does it work on à 12.88 CR with snowperformance water injection?

[Mr Nick]

I emailed them to find out when more info and pricing will be released. I'm going to hold off on making my decision till I learn more about this EZ EFI 2.0. I was leaning toward Holley HP system.

[Mr Nick]

Here is some info I received from the FAST email tech-support:


Me:
When will more information and pricing be available for the new EZ-EFI 2.0 system?


FAST:
I do have some pricing information on the EZ EFI 2.0 systems, are you using a distributor on your setup or is it coil on plug? Inline fuel pump or in tank pump? Is this a four barrel type setup or direct port injection? Just let me know and I will send you some info, thanks…


Me:
It's a 350 Oldsmobile with a Mallory billet HEI style distibutor, but would be willing to switch it to a different dist if needed, to let the EZ EFI 2.0 system control timing. I'd rather not have to upgrade to a crank trigger, hopefully that's not needed for timing control? Would an external ignition box be needed?

I currently have a new stock tank with a RobbMc 1/2" pick up with -6 fittings on it. http://www.robbmcperformance.com/products/1069_gmsend.html I'd prefer an external inline pump for ease of installation, but I've heard an in tank pump is better? My engine makes approx 425hp at 6,000 RPM. Is there an advantage for me to run an in-tank pump on my rather mild engine? (other than less noise) What is involved in mounting the pump in the tank? Does it come with a bucket to prevent fuel starvation?

And I'm looking at the four barrel throttle body type, not port injection.


FAST:
The kit that you would need would be the 30328-kit, HOWEVER, the release for these have been pushed back til late summer, ugh ! This is a product that is on our horizon and will be a huge seller for us, the small bugs and tweaks are numerous and with this much of an anticipated wait, will sell quickly as orders are being allowed to be taken. The cost of the 30328-kit will be $3348.19 and will include the high volume intank fuel pump. The system will operate setups with 1200hp capabilities. I will be glad to re visit this with you say in August if you would like to save my email address and kindly remind me, if it comes sooner I will be in contact with you. I hope this helps somewhat and have a great day !


Me:
Thanks again for the reply, but you missed a couple of my questions.

Can you give me a price for the unit with standard volume (if there is an option) in-line pump? $3,350 puts you solidly as the most expensive self-tuning system out there, not even competitive on price.


FAST:
I have not seen any type of in-line option for this new kit, yes our kits are expensive, but after seeing the other kits that are out there, ours is the easiest to install, the cleanest hall-effect communication channels, most professional wiring and does run a complete self tune. In other words, I know ours works and have replaced several of our competitors units with ours because they just don’t do what the customer wanted when it came to tuning and proper operation after full install.
Sorry I missed some of the questions, if I had more information about the new unit, I definitely would share it with you..everyone is jumping on the efi bandwagon and it will get more crowded in the market as time goes on, we proudly have years of experience with these systems and have learned what works and fortunately what does not work, in our systems. The inline pump question I did miss, your fittings would work excellently with an inline tank instead of the in tank version. The fuel pressure at the top end would be more than sufficient for your motor needs.
As soon as I see, or am provided, with more information with the new system, I will gladly pass it on to you. Thanks and have a great day..

[Fastrun72]

Thanks for researching this Mr. Nick....for that price i would rather go with their multi port unit that comes complete with dist.,manifold, fuel rails,pump,regulator etc...manifold vacumm is not a concern then, i guess just dealing with the tuning is.... I guess i will be patient a little longer and see what the market produces.

[csouth]

I had the Ez-EFI 1.0 and was going to upgrade, but it seems like the price is @ double. I think I'll just keep what I have....

[Motown 454]

Nick if you hear anymore on this could you keep us posted.
Thanks for the post.

[Mr Nick]

Will do. Unless I find a great deal on current basic system (EZ EFI 1.0 or similar) I'm going to stick with the carb for a while and maybe jump all the way to MPFI down the road. Or keep the carb and spend the money on boost. :)

[TheJDMan]

That pricing is a deal breaker for me.

[Surfman423]

I just finished my motor build and used the EZ-EFI 1.0 on my 383 with the inline pump. Other than dealing with the ridiculous push on Kwik hose ends and the hassle of plumbing a return line into the tank it really is an outstanding system thus far. Throttle response is just above ridiculous and driveability makes me sometimes forget I am in a 44 year old car. The ECM is still going through the self learning phase for me currently so I have no idea on fuel mileage as of yet. I have no complaints yet.

[zzfranczz]

I saw this and wanted it. Saw the price here and well thought about alternatives. Thanks for the post I was looking for this information as well. I hope they come out and the competition helps bring the price down.

[obengston]

Just curious if anyone has actually received/used one of these... I know they have been sending them out but have not heard of any actual feed back on them.

[Mr Nick]

Not me, the price scared me off so I went with EZ-EFI 1.0.

[obengston]

The price is not scaring me off. I have been waiting for a system that basically plug and play and that I can run nitrous with as well. I just upgraded my fuel system with the aeromotive fuel tank with a reg, and return line in preparation to run this system. Just waiting to see some feed back on it first.

[sheck44]

Same here, will be looking to get one of these this winter but would be great to get some feedback from anyone that has some 1st hand experience ....

[Fastrun72]

I ordered mine a couple weeks ago, due to arrive this Friday! Also getting the dual-sync distributor for timing control. I will post on the progress and results of conversion ( problems etc..) I have.... Been waiting awhile for this little piggy$$$ to come to market.

[obengston]

I ordered mine a couple weeks ago, due to arrive this Friday! Also getting the dual-sync distributor for timing control. I will post on the progress and results of conversion ( problems etc..) I have.... Been waiting awhile for this little piggy$$$ to come to market.


Will be good to hear, but I will probably already have mine ordered by then.. I actually called today to get it, but will call back on Tuesday to order it. I'm actually ordering the basic kit. I already have a MSD distributor, with a phasable msd rotor, locked out at 36deg, and just upgraded my fuel system with the aeromotive tank. I just recently purchased a ProSystems Carb (that I paid around $750), that I guess I will sell now..kinds sucks wish I would have kown I was going to go this route sooner....

[obengston]

Also if anyone has a suggestion... My WOT switch currently on my carb.... Where could this be mounted with this system. It currently is activated with the secondary side, but this system does not have that side available. Where else could you put a WOT switch?

[Bilco547]

Have had the fast 2.0 efi setup on the car for 6 weeks and its been 6 weeks of living hell loading up 02 sensors errors now iac error every time the car goes above 5k .. on phone with tech dept more than I have been on the phone my adult life most of the time they are clueless to the problems because the system is too new I received the first system sent to new York saw it at sema and fell in love had to have it because of its looks and supposed performance promises called them for months waiting for setup to be advailable and should waited it cost me the whole month of august cruising and car shows because system would not work and now the needle that broke the hay stack leaving the biggest car show on long island the eisonhower park car show 1700 cars and system took a **** car had to be flat bedded home don't know what to do now carb is going back on after thousands spent on new fuel system and shops to try to tune and would sound awesome and we think wow finally fixed then turn off or get on the car and back in **** mode the people down at fast are awesome just wish the system was everything promised

[Ketzer]

Heck of a first post. There are quite a few folks waiting to hear if this thing works as advertised. Can you tell us a little more about your setup? Engine size, compression, HP, ignition type, fuel delivery? Hate that you are the lab rat on this but you can sure save the rest of us if it doesn't work out....
It sounds like FAST is at least trying to help.



Jeff-

[hifi875]

hate to hear of the problems. Luckily I haven't had any issues with my holley terminator. I got one of the first units and it worked as advertised with no issues whatsoever. took it on the full power tour 1 week after putting it on. Hopefully you'll get the fast up and going.

[obengston]

Oh...no I just praying you got a lemon...Sucks mine should be here this week. Well fingers crossed. Maybe I should cancel my order on tomorrow...IDK

[Bilco547]

I think I did get A LEMON first of all the front face looked like it was squished didn't liik like advertised at sema or any of the ads but they sent me a new therottle body front cover which is like giving birth to get off takes a while because you have to line up the four injectors and fuel line just sent the whole set up back yesterday for them to go over RMA central some one asked about my set up its a 502 merlin block stroked out to a 547 by Jeremy at extreme racing in Babylon ny it has a callies crank with child albert h beam rods brodix bb2 heads it s a morelle full roller set up 690 lift with 903 rollerlifters right now im putting back on my dominator 1100 cfm by AED carbs the weathers cooler so it will run good I have all this in a 1970 chevelle with a freddy brown turbo 400 with a gear vendor over drive qa 1 coil overs with a hotchkis suspension which is 2003 corvette anniversary red matalic with tuxedo black ss stripes I will post pics just did a full resto new quarters new doors fenders trunk lid and hood got rid of all the seams shaved the door handles wish I didn't I would love to put on a set of the ring brothers billet door handles .. but hopefully they can fix my set up I hate carbs for the street

[Bilco547]

how do you post profile pics and pics of your ride on this site

[Ketzer]

Bilco,
Thank you for posting specs on your engine! I too have a healthy big block I want to convert to this setup. One of FASTs main selling points is they can support high HP engines.Please post back as you get it straightened out!

Was there any issue with your fuel type and the sensors? I'm assuming you aren't just running on pump gas.


Jeff-

[uxojerry]

Did you do a return line? A lot of these systems advertise one is not needed and then dont work properly until one is installed. I wanted to use this system on my next build and avoid the complexity of a multi-port. Please keep us posted. Good luck, I can sympathize with your frustration.

[Fastrun72]

Well that really sucks. I just received my kit last week and will be installing soon I guess I'm going to roll the dice instead of returning it. Wish me luck!

[Ketzer]

There's a ton of development in that thing. I wouldn't be going into it thinking the worst. I think Bilco has several issues as yet undiagnosed. You may not have any of his issues.
He says FAST has been very supportive ( and well they should, this is their premier flagship product).



Jeff-

[obengston]

83815


Well I have started the install on mine. Looks like a mess right now, but once done will be clean, as I'm hiding everything. Will let everyone know once I have it up and running good or bad, but expecting good things...fingers crossed.

[quickchicken]

one thing I can suggest is pay MUCH MUCH attn. to things that create electrical noise. if your o2 harness runs near your plug wires, HEI, and the alt. this will give you fits. a friend on another board had elec noise which caused much issues. once he sorted this out he could work further on the fuel/ spark setup. talked to him the other week and said his ez classic is running killer.

on my ez I mainly had dizz noise issues on my o2 from my DUI HEI and once I got my pn14000 dui diz remote coil it fixed the issue instantly. until I got my new DUI I laid my o2 harness across my plenum. ugly but it worked. no my harness is tucked down behind the block where it needs to be. when my current motor comes out for the 383 swap I plan to clean up the needed factory harness parts and the ex harness.

[obengston]

Well I finished the install today. Tomorrow I will go through the initial setup, and hopefully everything goes as planned (fingers crossed again) I will have it running. Will report back and let everyone know how it turns out for me..

[obengston]

Well I turned the Unit on today, entered the required information, and turned the key. It initially did not start, so I feathered the throttle some as it started up and was running really bad. Since I did not re verify my MSD distributor as stated in the instructions, I knew by the sound it was timing related. I reset my distributor, and it cranked up. I kept the RPM elevated for about two min, then let it settle down. SOunds really good, restarted several times with no issues. Was going to take it for a ride, but it shut off on me while idling. As if it lost complete power. I started it up several times and it would run/idle great with excellent throttle response, but kept just shutting off. I finally moved all the wiring harness around ( I have it kinda crammed in a small area) and it stayed running. I think it was the hot wire coming from the battery (it has a fuse that the wire enters/exits). Ran out of daylight, so will get it started back up this week, if it stays running then I wil take it for some short runs. Other than the small issue it seems to be reacting well, was able to control my timing, fans, enter what air fuel I want... Im excited to really put this to the test.

[Fastrun72]

Glad to hear the somewhat positive results so far, keep us updated as you go please. I just started to install mine and am really taking my time locating all the wires & harnesses away from elec. interference. so far everything looks well made and packaged nicely. I took the car out for one last run with the carburetor and it was running awesome so the bar has been set pretty high for me, don't disappoint me FAST....

[obengston]

I will update later today. I'm almost positive (my only issue was it shutting off) was due to the alternator went out. It will be fixed today. Pretty sure this thing is going to perform great...,

[obengston]

Okay just finished the install. So far everything feels good, and seems to be responding well. I have not taken it very far on a test drive, basically through the neighborhood, just want to feel comfortable that its not going to cost me a tow truck ride back home. I did a quick video of the basic things I have done to the car as well as the 2.0. Don't laugh at my lack of mechanical ability, but almost everything done/installed on the car I have done myself in the garage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Paen9kXU9Pc



I will clean everything up once I know it is good, and make it more appealing.

[Mr Nick]

Is your electric fuel pump up in the engine compartment?

[obengston]

No its in the tank, I installed a aeromotive stealth tank.



Is your electric fuel pump up in the engine compartment?

[obengston]

I Think I may have spoke to soon. I have been working on this thing ALL DAY. Not sure whats going on. Yesterday, it seemed to be working fairly good except it would still loss power/communication and shut the car off, but would start right back up. I took it on about a mile drive, and it shut off going down the road but picked right back up. On the way back the o2 threw a code, but reset. I got it home cleared the code and it started right back up, so I parked it in the garage. This morning I figured I would take it on a longer drive so it could self learn. Well never made the ride. It started right up, but I could not even touch the throttle because it would flood. I reset the timing, and reset the ECU. Still no change, and would still lose communication and turn the car off. I played with the wiring all day, called Fast tech several times. I do have the power, and ground wire run to the trunk to the battery, the two wires runs right along side the 1 gauge wire running from the battery to the front where its connected to a bolt that passes through the floor, and connects to the alternator and starter. The Fast tech says the two wires may be picking up to much noise from the 1 gauge wire. So I will run two wires outside the car to the front and connect it to the ECU and see if that changes anything. Thats going to be a couple of days, because after starting on the car all day my starter/flywheel started just spinning, so got under the car so the starter bolts had became lose. Tried to tighten them and one broke off, so hopefully it did not brake off inside the block, but I think it did. So now its like going to the doctors office for something, its a guessing game until I find the solution.

[obengston]

Well fixed the starter. Called Fast again, still another Tech going through the same scenario explaining from the beginning of whats going on. Having them ask basically the same questions. So I decided to eliminate any future questions/concerns from them about maybe electrical noise. I basically pulled the system out (all wiring). I ran all the wiring outside the car to the trunk for power, ran the wire to the MSD (thats mounted in my driver kick panel) across the windshield into the driver door. Placed the ecu and harness on the passenger fender. The harness that runs from the throttle body to the ECU is going straight over to the fender and connected to the ECU. So the only wiring thats going into the car is the handheld unit. The cable to the 02 goes straight from the ECU (on the fender) down under the car to the exhaust. I filmed this as well and started the car up. Started up no problem, once it gets warmed it seems to being good at running, but as soon as you attempt to give it any throttle it starts running extremely rich, and can't seem to correct itself at all. So I filmed all this today as well as showing the live data screen the entire time. About 20min worth. I'm currently posting it on youtube, and going to link both of the videos to Fast Tech site, so hopefully they can see and maybe come up with a better solution. I will link that video here as well if anyone wants to see it, and see how bad I have pulled the cat apart compared to the first video.

[Ketzer]

I think with 4500 views on this thread, you've got a lot of folks watching to see how you come out on this.
Thank you for posting your adventure!


Jeff-

[obengston]

Here is about 20 min video of this crap...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrygHRYIDBk

[obengston]

At this point I have invested well over 3K into this system. I was really excited to see it come out. I upgraded my entire fuel system to support this system. I purchased a new MSD distributor, ordered a new Nitrous system to support the higher fuel pressure, Sold my $800 dollar Pro Systems carb (for $400). Took out my manual timing retard system, rewired everything to support this system, cut some sizable holes in the firewall all for this system. Now look what I have going on. Really regretting selling my carb (unless this thing can magically fix itself).

[Fastrun72]

Hey I watched your video and I was wondering if when you adjust your IAC into the target range (green) that makes your a/f ratio to fat. Maybe the throttle blades need to be a little more open for more air, the instructions say the target area is not for every application. Just a thought as I am just starting my install and am nervous about having the same issues....

[obengston]

No not the issue here at all. Had nothing to do with what was going on. If you look at my first video (the first day I started it it ran great and I drove it around) on that day the MAP/Load is around 70 at idle , on the next day the second video shows the MAP/LOAD at 100 plus at idle, pretty sure that might have something to do with my issue. That is the only difference between the two days.

Hopefully will get a new map sensor this week from Fast if they send me one out. (for free...)



Hey I watched your video and I was wondering if when you adjust your IAC into the target range (green) that makes your a/f ratio to fat. Maybe the throttle blades need to be a little more open for more air, the instructions say the target area is not for every application. Just a thought as I am just starting my install and am nervous about having the same issues....

[Ollie8974]

After watching the video, I have a question.
Did you calibrate the throttle position sensor?
In the video ,the throttle position gauge indication does not seem to smoothly follow depressing the throttle.

[obengston]

After watching the video, I have a question.
Did you calibrate the throttle position sensor?
In the video ,the throttle position gauge indication does not seem to smoothly follow depressing the throttle.

Yes, several times. Pretty sure or hoping the issue is the MAP sensor. If I get it in the mail tomorrow I will post the results good or bad.

[obengston]

Well replaced the MAP sensor today,...and wow the load/map reading went back down an the car ran great. Drove it about 4 miles. All seemed good. I will drive it many miles tomorrow and report back on how well it is learning

[garry1172]

Even though I have a Mas-flo set up this is a really interesting thread

beautiful Camaro

[Ollie8974]

Happy to hear initial success replacing the MAP sensor.

[obengston]

Took it on about a 20 mile drive, running it up to speeds of 70... Everything seems to be working great, response is great...keep the fingers crossed. Cranks up without having to touch the throttle at all, controls my timing, the cooling fans...

[Spork82]

:drive:

That's great to hear, I just got my ez-efi in the mail today and can't wait to play with it!

[mmosley]

Wow! Did you return the old map! Ask them to do failure analysis... determine cause or mode of failure, possibly screen future MAP sensors so your brethren do not have to experience the same issue. You could have just as easily given up, got your money back, moved on and put a stain on their reputation. As it is, put you down for a while. Did they have anything to say?

[obengston]

Wow! Did you return the old map! Ask them to do failure analysis... determine cause or mode of failure, possibly screen future MAP sensors so your brethren do not have to experience the same issue. You could have just as easily given up, got your money back, moved on and put a stain on their reputation. As it is, put you down for a while. Did they have anything to say?

No didn't return it, but when I pulled the one out the isolator (rubber piece that surrounds the end not sure of the name) was torn.

I did go dive it again about 10 miles playing with it some..letting it learn more. It did really good. I now have everything nice and installed. I will have to take another video of it to show how well it looks and runs (but its all hidden), looks good.

[4MuscleMachines]

Thanks for posting all the hard work you've done. I'm waiting for more info from other buyers before I purchase and your posts have given me more confidence with the FAST.

Keep your PT brethren in the loop!

[Antti66ht]

Thanks,

very nice to see the end of the plot, especially since I just opened my xfi boxces to start the install next weekend!

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[obengston]

As a update I have been driving it around with no issues....well one. It still loses power but realized yesterday it was really doing it a a idle, so I'm going to run the ignition on wire to a relay and see if this fixes the issue.

I just posted a New Video under the media section on this forum if you want to see a update video of it running and and completely installed again.

[obengston]

As a update I have been driving it around with no issues....well one. It still loses power but realized yesterday it was really doing it a a idle, so I'm going to run the ignition on wire to a relay and see if this fixes the issue.

I just posted a New Video under the media section on this forum if you want to see a update video of it running and and completely installed again.


Just a update from my last post. I stated it was running good, except I was still having issue with it shutting off (losing power). Well I ran the ECU ignition on wire to a battery feed Relay, and so far it has not lost power.

[Ketzer]

So the ECU is staying on all the time? Even when the engine is off?


Jeff-

[obengston]

So the ECU is staying on all the time? Even when the engine is off?


Jeff-

No the relay has power straight from the battery, but activated with a ign on wire. Sorry for any confusion

[obengston]

Well drove the car about 40 miles one way, stop and go, as well as some open road...no issue, but on the return trip it was starting to get dark so I was running my lights (only thing different from the trip out), about half way back as the car was slowing down to stop, or lower rpm's it would shut off. The only thing I can think is the main power wire running to the ECU is connected at the battery in the truck, and with everything running maybe at times when the fan's kick on there is not enough power at the battery. So I will relocate the power wire from the battery and connect it at the lug in the front where the alternator connects to, as well as the battery main feed wire connects.

[windsor]

Interesting. Did you check voltage at the battery when all those items are turned on?

[obengston]

Interesting. Did you check voltage at the battery when all those items are turned on?

No, I was driving, but it would shut down for a quick second then come back on... As I was driving, but one time as I was stopping for a light it shut off so I pulled over because I was almost at a stop. Tried starting it, lights still on and fans, dash lights ect. Would not start, turned the fans off, and lights started right up, re adjusted fan to come on a litter hotter, started driving, was again at low RPM when fans kicked on and lost power to ecu. I think with all the electronics, and fans kicking on at lower RPM it is for a quick second pulling to many amps from the battery that its killing the ECU for a quick second. Since my battery is in the trunk, and I have the cable connected to a stud close to the starter, and the alternator is connected at the stud as well, I will connected the Main ECU power wire there as well. This way its still connected to the 'Battery" but also right where the alternator is. My thinking is this should prevent any drop. Any thoughts??

[Spork82]

I would run pos and neg directly too the trunk, that way it gets consistent voltage. There may be a possible "failsafe" in the ecu if it see's any voltage spike or drop off it will shut down so it doesn't get damaged.

[obengston]

I would run pos and neg directly too the trunk, that way it gets consistent voltage. There may be a possible "failsafe" in the ecu if it see's any voltage spike or drop off it will shut down so it doesn't get damaged.


Thats where it is currently running... And I lose power at low RPM when everything is on electronics, fuel pump, and then the fans kick on..

[Spork82]

Sorry I thought it was run differently. Have you checked to see what your alternator is putting out at idle? Maybe it's not charging and that sudden kick from the fans is causing it too drop. Maybe try a dual battery

[mmosley]

Thats where it is currently running... And I lose power at low RPM when everything is on electronics, fuel pump, and then the fans kick on..

Put a voltmeter on the battery. Have someone turn one thing on at a time and see what the voltage drops to.

Several things to check if you are seeing the voltage sag too low and some things to think about. Most issues I have ever seen with ignition and EFI are almost always related to grounding.

1) Is the battery good.
2) Does your alternator have a good ground?
3) Does your alternator have enough output for everything you are trying to run?
4) What size ground and what size cable do you have running to your alternator? If you are grounding through the brackets you may want to consider running a ground cable direct from the alternator case to the chassis if your alternator does not have a ground terminal.
5) Does your alternator output go directly to the battery?
6) I'll assume you have a one wire alternator (not a big fan of those by the way), but if not, where is the alternator getting it's voltage reference. I prefer my regulator to use the ignition feed, that way it is compensating for losses between the rest of the system and the ignition.

[garry1172]

Any updates

How is it going now

[obengston]

Any updates

How is it going now


I just finished changing the Pulley on my alternator so no it maintains 14+ volts at idle, (I did not run a neg cable from my battery to the engine block), but I did change the ground going from my engine to the fram, now it goes from the engine to the body, both sides of the block the same. Now I have not had any problems with it mysteriously shutting off. So far it runs great, except for when driving I pull it into second gear and go WOT I get a surge then it picks up. I see the AF is leaning at this point for a quick second, so I'm currently adding fuel to the accell pump, and will play with this part until I have it right. Other than that its awesome, great response, pulls hard, idles great, starts right up no matter how cold.

[garry1172]

good to hear keep as updated

garry

[Bilco547]

No not the issue here at all. Had nothing to do with what was going on. If you look at my first video (the first day I started it it ran great and I drove it around) on that day the MAP/Load is around 70 at idle , on the next day the second video shows the MAP/LOAD at 100 plus at idle, pretty sure that might have something to do with my issue. That is the only difference between the two days.

Hopefully will get a new map sensor this week from Fast if they send me one out. (for free...)

I still haven't gotten my running right yet neither and im having all the same issues and the unit wasn't at sema this year they claimed it was old that's why they had older stuff on their display I think everyone who has one of this definetly not ezi efi 2.0 systems we need to get together and form a class action law suite to get back monies for the cost of new fuel systems installation cost I have two friends besides myself who have the system because of me and cant get them running right black smoke running rich ****ed up idle runs semi good one day super ****ty the next and the biggest excuse was radio interference but now my irm is at 000 so that shows no interference and im still having a head ache and my motor smokes now and I have a forty thousand dollar 547 that extreme racing engines built that this system may have destroyed and I don't under stand how every car on the road today is fuel injected and there isn't any of these problems going on with any of them .. I think they introduced these systems with out totally doing their home work on the set up got it out to fast

[Bilco547]

I still haven't gotten my running right yet neither and im having all the same issues and the unit wasn't at sema this year they claimed it was old that's why they had older stuff on their display I think everyone who has one of this definetly not ezi efi 2.0 systems we need to get together and form a class action law suite to get back monies for the cost of new fuel systems installation cost I have two friends besides myself who have the system because of me and cant get them running right black smoke running rich ****ed up idle runs semi good one day super ****ty the next and the biggest excuse was radio interference but now my irm is at 000 so that shows no interference and im still having a head ache and my motor smokes now and I have a forty thousand dollar 547 that extreme racing engines built that this system may have destroyed and I don't under stand how every car on the road today is fuel injected and there isn't any of these problems going on with any of them .. I think they introduced these systems with out totally doing their home work on the set up got it out to fast

Go in to your hand held to engine parameters and check your irm count if its 000 then their electrical interference line isn't gonns hold up mine is 000 and im still losing my mind

[Bilco547]

No not the issue here at all. Had nothing to do with what was going on. If you look at my first video (the first day I started it it ran great and I drove it around) on that day the MAP/Load is around 70 at idle , on the next day the second video shows the MAP/LOAD at 100 plus at idle, pretty sure that might have something to do with my issue. That is the only difference between the two days.

Hopefully will get a new map sensor this week from Fast if they send me one out. (for free...)

I still haven't gotten my running right yet neither and im having all the same issues and the unit wasn't at sema this year they claimed it was old that's why they had older stuff on their display I think everyone who has one of this definetly not ezi efi 2.0 systems we need to get together and form a class action law suite to get back monies for the cost of new fuel systems installation cost I have two friends besides myself who have the system because of me and cant get them running right black smoke running rich ****ed up idle runs semi good one day super ****ty the next and the biggest excuse was radio interference but now my irm is at 000 so that shows no interference and im still having a head ache and my motor smokes now and I have a forty thousand dollar 547 that extreme racing engines built that this system may have destroyed and I don't under stand how every car on the road today is fuel injected and there isn't any of these problems going on with any of them .. I think they introduced these systems with out totally doing their home work on the set up got it out to fast

[Bilco547]

Anybody have any info on when this will be available?

I still haven't gotten my running right yet neither and im having all the same issues and the unit wasn't at sema this year they claimed it was old that's why they had older stuff on their display I think everyone who has one of this definetly not ezi efi 2.0 systems we need to get together and form a class action law suite to get back monies for the cost of new fuel systems installation cost I have two friends besides myself who have the system because of me and cant get them running right black smoke running rich ****ed up idle runs semi good one day super ****ty the next and the biggest excuse was radio interference but now my irm is at 000 so that shows no interference and im still having a head ache and my motor smokes now and I have a forty thousand dollar 547 that extreme racing engines built that this system may have destroyed and I don't under stand how every car on the road today is fuel injected and there isn't any of these problems going on with any of them .. I think they introduced these systems with out totally doing their home work on the set up got it out to fast

[Ketzer]

I don't under stand how every car on the road today is fuel injected and there isn't any of these problems going on with any of them .. I think they introduced these systems with out totally doing their home work on the set up got it out to fast

I hate you are having these problems. I really want to hear success stories because I want to put FI on my big block too.

It's not fair to say all modern cars are FI and yours should work. Those factory OEM systems are built to fit VERY specific parameters. New cars don't have high compression, radical cams, pieced together fuel systems. These "universal" kits seem to work great up to about 450hp. Anything more radical than that and the horror stories start popping up...



Jeff-

[BBC71Nova]

Bilco547,

Can we get some details about the engine? At 40 G's I gotta think it is pretty radical and possibly outside the realm of a "self tuning" efi system. I've always heard big heads, cams, etc don't really work too well with those setups. Since I'm planning for a radical bbc as well, I'm interested in hearing how this pans out.

[Fuelie Nova]

Any updates??
Tom

[obengston]

Any updates??
Tom


My system is running Great....

[mmosley]

My system is running Great....

Synopsis... So after replacing the faulty MAP sensor you (1) took care of the low voltage at idle by changing the alternater pulley, (2) moved the ground cable and (3) added fuel for the "acceleration" lean out and everything is now happy? Anything we missed?

[obengston]

Synopsis... So after replacing the faulty MAP sensor you (1) took care of the low voltage at idle by changing the alternater pulley, (2) moved the ground cable and (3) added fuel for the "acceleration" lean out and everything is now happy? Anything we missed?



Yes. Just to add It kept shutting off (would display lost communication for a fraction of a second, either at low RPM or driving). So I replaced my pulley to keep the voltage from dropping, as well I added two grounds from my engine block to the body, and removed the one to the frame, which I believe may have been the cause of the shutting off, because it would shut off running down the road with the voltage showing 14. either one was a result of it not shutting off anymore. I have driven it at least 300 miles, and its running better every drive. My suggestion to anyone is make sure you video tap your intitial start up, include the data screen on the hand held. Thankfully I did and then was able to compare it with the screen later when the map sensor went out.

[Spork82]

Good to hear it all worked out for you. Can't wait to get mine set up and running.

[Fuelie Nova]

I am curious for the guys using this setup, how much vacuum do you have at idle? I would like to try one but I only have 8-9" at idle and not sure thats enough.
Tom

[obengston]

I am curious for the guys using this setup, how much vacuum do you have at idle? I would like to try one but I only have 8-9" at idle and not sure thats enough.
Tom

My vacuum is between 8-9...

[Fastrun72]

Well here is where I am at with my EZ-EFI 2.0 install (complete master kit with in-tank pump)First I was shorted one 6-an to 8-an adapter,i ordered a new one from fast for $12 cause I did not want to haggle with them.... I ended up using a new tank from Tanks inc. to simplify my change to in-tank set up (very nice)... After taking my time carefully routing all hoses, wires etc... it was time to power up the fuel pump and then I heard the sound off fuel leaking, it was dumping from behind the front fuel bowl cover. So I called FAST and was told they probably pinched a O-ring on a injector during manufacture and to ship it back at my cost ( $17 ) for warranty.... Now I am waiting and out $27more.... Very disappointing as I haven't cranked the engine yet to really discover how it performs.

[obengston]

Well here is where I am at with my EZ-EFI 2.0 install (complete master kit with in-tank pump)First I was shorted one 6-an to 8-an adapter,i ordered a new one from fast for $12 cause I did not want to haggle with them.... I ended up using a new tank from Tanks inc. to simplify my change to in-tank set up (very nice)... After taking my time carefully routing all hoses, wires etc... it was time to power up the fuel pump and then I heard the sound off fuel leaking, it was dumping from behind the front fuel bowl cover. So I called FAST and was told they probably pinched a O-ring on a injector during manufacture and to ship it back at my cost ( $17 ) for warranty.... Now I am waiting and out $27more.... Very disappointing as I haven't cranked the engine yet to really discover how it performs.

Well that sucks.... I pulled the front cover on mine to install the new sensor because the oring/rubber was pinched on it, I called Fast and they just sent me a new one (no charge), this way I didn't need to send the unit back.

[TT302Z28]

Umm, no.

Doesn't seem that there is anything FAST about this. I want to buy this product for my 496 in the worst way...but my Demon 850 has never lost its data signal!

I really hope they fix this and have been especially not impressed with the stories of their support for an expensive product.

[Fuelie Nova]

After taking several months and researching as much as I can I ended up ordering the Holley Terminator system. I really liked the idea that you can update the ECU to a HP unit for no charge. Once looking at all the features of the HP I just felt it was a better system and 10% cheaper.
It will be here monday.
Tom

[Bilco547]

Its dec 21 2013 and my chevelle is still ****ed the fast ezi efi 2.0 sucks before we had this cold front I took my car out ran good with a few idle issues and stalls but it ran put it away the next day took it out to gas her up and started stalling had to keep idle at 3000 to get home would run and shut off the same thing it did before I rma d the whole system back to them after the ecu was rma back after the 02 sensor and then the iac .. I called them and they tell me its my msd box because the red light is off after the car is stalling with the key on so stupid me listens to them and buys a new msd 6 digital plus box I put it in 6am this morning and ran all new key on wires checking everything my irm number which show radio interference which is what they are claiming causes all the problems with this system is 00 and it still wont stay running im done going multiport fuel injection **** this self learning bull by fast if the system was sio awesome why wasn't it at sema this year and I asked david page he claimed it was old but the xfi was there and all the old systems also im contacting my lawyer in case they want to break balls I want to be reimbursed for a lot of **** because their system failed

[Bilco547]

MY advice stay far away from this system I have two friends who purchased it because of me and they are having major issues as well

[CTSV]

MY advice stay far away from this system I have two friends who purchased it because of me and they are having major issues as well
Im not too far from long island pm me your contact info i am going through hell as well. This company as a whole is the worst there is for aftermarket performance. Run by dummies but they take your money nicely over the phone.

[obengston]

JUst a Update on mine . I have changed my New Locked out MSD (less than 300 miles on it) with the Fast Dual Sync Dizzy. The Car has been running extremely well (knock on wood). In the last 3-4 days I have taken it each day on a 50-80 cruise (very spirited driving), and it is responding really well...no issues. Drives like a champ, starts on 30deg weather without touching the throttle, response is great. Plugs look really great. Great having control over the AF, timing, etc. YThe more I drive at this point seems to be better every time. Again this is now so I will continue to drive and hammer it allot. Next I will test the nitrous on it.


****And I have to add this has nothing to do with the Fast "tech service" which I found to be amusing... All my issue I had whenever I called Tech support I would get the same old "Well what are you running...bla..bla ..bla.. and spend the next hour describing everything from my install to right prior to getting on the phone. With something this new, and expensive, they should be logging individual calls in so that the next 50 times you call they can go straight to where they was prior. Its like going to a doctor when your sick "Its a medical mystery", which this thing is not "medical"...

[FLYNAVY53]

1 question, has anyone here run this set up on an LS motor yet? Ive been doing research and it seems that the majority of the problems have been experienced by those running MSD boxes. Now obviously I understand that the majority of people are running MSD boxes, so that may just be a coincidence. The only reason I bring it up is because the set up that FAST sells for the LS motor includes their ignition controller as well, which I hope, would eliminate any problems between the fuel injection and ignition electronics talking to each other.

[Devilsride]

JUst a Update on mine . I have changed my New Locked out MSD (less than 300 miles on it) with the Fast Dual Sync Dizzy. The Car has been running extremely well (knock on wood). In the last 3-4 days I have taken it each day on a 50-80 cruise (very spirited driving), and it is responding really well...no issues. Drives like a champ, starts on 30deg weather without touching the throttle, response is great. Plugs look really great. Great having control over the AF, timing, etc. YThe more I drive at this point seems to be better every time. Again this is now so I will continue to drive and hammer it allot. Next I will test the nitrous on it.


****And I have to add this has nothing to do with the Fast "tech service" which I found to be amusing... All my issue I had whenever I called Tech support I would get the same old "Well what are you running...bla..bla ..bla.. and spend the next hour describing everything from my install to right prior to getting on the phone. With something this new, and expensive, they should be logging individual calls in so that the next 50 times you call they can go straight to where they was prior. Its like going to a doctor when your sick "Its a medical mystery", which this thing is not "medical"...


I have had my Fast 2,0 injection system on order for a month now and still no delivery in sight. They do not keep their customers up dated and continue to miss promised delivery dates. On another note my discussions with tech service tells me even with the dual-sync distributor the ignition box is still required. I have the distributor and injection system paid for and on order so it would be nice to fully understand if the ignition box is really needed. Everything they sell as plug and play, in my world having to add a ignition box and coil doesn't qualify as plug and play. I'm also concerned as I have read a lot of quality issues on these units so now I have mixed feeling on keeping the system or cancelling and going with one of the other manufactures.

[mmosley]

I have the distributor and injection system paid for and on order so it would be nice to fully understand if the ignition box is really needed. Everything they sell as plug and play, in my world having to add a ignition box and coil doesn't qualify as plug and play. I'm also concerned as I have read a lot of quality issues on these units so now I have mixed feeling on keeping the system or cancelling and going with one of the other manufactures.

Something has to drive the coil... if you are not an expert you would be better served working through someone that is. I am working through a reseller that has all those details worked out for me but I have not yet made my final purchases. My understanding of the system is that you have to have some kind of ignition box. I could be wrong...

[obengston]

You have to have the ignition box, the Dual sync only signals the computer/box. Again so far I have put about 1000 miles on it (after the trouble of getting it right) and still running great. I have tested the nitrous with it 4 times (with 100, and a 200 shot) and it performed good. I plan on taking it to the track soon and will do a couple of NA passes and a couple with the nitrous, so hopefully I want need the wrecker, but never know.

[Devilsride]

I have had my Fast 2,0 injection system on order for a month now and still no delivery in sight. They do not keep their customers up dated and continue to miss promised delivery dates. On another note my discussions with tech service tells me even with the dual-sync distributor the ignition box is still required. I have the distributor and injection system paid for and on order so it would be nice to fully understand if the ignition box is really needed. Everything they sell as plug and play, in my world having to add a ignition box and coil doesn't qualify as plug and play. I'm also concerned as I have read a lot of quality issues on these units so now I have mixed feeling on keeping the system or cancelling and going with one of the other manufactures.

OK guess my sarcastic comments towards FAST claim of plug and play didn't show. Anyway I am very capable of installing this system or any other for that matter my comment was directed to that of locking the MSD box comment made earlier. I'm actually more concerned about many of the quality issues I have read with mostly poor assembly work at the factory with torn O-rings in the injector assembly where as gas pours out. This could be a major fire hazard if one of these O-rings were to fail. As a design engineer for automotive and aircraft components I get very concerned when there is no fail safe.

[Devilsride]

I must say my current project is number 17 and 18 is going to start in another two weeks. Out of all my builds and products ordered this injection system is my biggest headache thanks to FAST and their inability to deliver there product I'm still waiting since January for this injection system and still no updates on when I can expect them to ship. Now I hear from a few other contacts that they are having quality issues with fuel rails and that's reason they haven't shipped .I can say for sure this is the first and last time I purchase anything from this company. If I ever get what I paid for three months ago I will let you know how it works.

[FLYNAVY53]

Well, I for one appreciate the updates....looking at going with the Holley set up instead....have seen a couple cars successfully running it with no problems

[lxmodguy]

I have had one on order for a customer for almost 2 months. Its getting a little old.

[swirvinit]

Good to hear your Fast System is working great! Just had similar problem except I couldnt even get mine to start. Just a heads up. The MAP sensors from Fast are Chinese POS's and are problematic. It's a GM part, so I would get the part straight from GM so you never run in to that issue again. Thats what I did. Just my opinion.

https://www.pro-touring.com/threads/107075-Fast-EFI-Problems-(Won-t-Start)

[Al Ritter]

I have experience with both EZ EFI 1.0 and 2.0, but here is a tech article on an actual NON-SPONSORED install http://alspoliticalview.blogspot.com/2014/06/can-small-block-chevy-be-built-for.html

[Fuelie Nova]

Suspicious first post.....
Tom