"Poor-Boy" 1967 Firebird Build

[Buryingthesun]

So I have been a member on here for over a year now, I made an update to my introduction thread but I realized It's not a build thread. So this will be my build thread. the link to my intro: https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?82494-Noob-Massachusetts-1967-Firebird&p=917053#post917053

The car is an all original 1967 Firebird 326 Auto, I love this car because it was a gift from my father. The plan is to build a street driven track monster on a poor-boy budget. I have ownd a few muscle cars in the past, but I have mainly built honda powered road race and drag cars. This car will be with my until im in a grave so this is a long term project with detail my main concern. I like to do things once and perfect the first time.

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Updated 10-1-2013

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[68firebird]

Pics aren't showing up, what part of mass are you from? do you go to the cruise nights at patriot place?

[Buryingthesun]

Pics aren't showing up, what part of mass are you from? do you go to the cruise nights at patriot place?

I live just outside of Worcester ma, 20min from Providence. Im currently getting some parts together to make it highway safe! i have been to Patriot's Place for the meets in the past but not with this car

[Buryingthesun]

The Global West bushings I got are such high quality, Im just waiting on a few more things then Its all going to come together.

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[68firebird]

The Global West bushings I got are such high quality, Im just waiting on a few more things then Its all going to come together.

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waiting on parts is the worst, LOL. Are they the solid body bushings? your photos still aren't showing up, I get a red X. I have the global west solid body mount bushings on mine and they are great quality. although I do have to have the body mount tabs on the subframe fixed, the holes are rotted out a bit too big. I've also got global west subframe connectors that I have to have welded on, those are very good quality as well.

[Buryingthesun]

waiting on parts is the worst, LOL. Are they the solid body bushings? your photos still aren't showing up, I get a red X. I have the global west solid body mount bushings on mine and they are great quality. although I do have to have the body mount tabs on the subframe fixed, the holes are rotted out a bit too big. I've also got global west subframe connectors that I have to have welded on, those are very good quality as well.

The bushings shown are for the front lower control arms, Global West makes them. Tonight I will be picking up the Hotchkis front sway bar and endlinks from the UPS store

[68firebird]

Hahaha, I see the photos on my phone but not my computer at work. I didn't splurge for those control arm bushings just yet myself, figured I'd wait till I got tubular arms. Your car looks real clean, when we get the cars done we'll have to meet up at patriot place or something. I'm hoping to get mine driveable by August, not done, but driveable lol

[BCHALK22]

This car is bad ass. Im digging that butternut color or whatever cool name its called. Do you plan to keep the color?

[Buryingthesun]

Hahaha, I see the photos on my phone but not my computer at work. I didn't splurge for those control arm bushings just yet myself, figured I'd wait till I got tubular arms. Your car looks real clean, when we get the cars done we'll have to meet up at patriot place or something. I'm hoping to get mine driveable by August, not done, but driveable lol

yeah man this is going to be a multi year project, I hope to get the brakes and suspension up to par by september. . . but in october its all coming appart so I can pull the motor so it can get reworked a bit and so I can install the missing "man pedal" and a T-56 transmission ;)


This car is bad ass. Im digging that butternut color or whatever cool name its called. Do you plan to keep the color?

yes I will keep the factory color, but the whole car is getting stripped an repainted with better paint and multiple clear coats lol

[geberhard]

very clean bird to start with so soked you are doing a build. What are the plans?

[Buryingthesun]

very clean bird to start with so soked you are doing a build. What are the plans?

mostly a resto mod, but themed after the early trans am cars.... with a NASCAR flare lol

[chv0606]

Looks like a nice build. Keep the pics coming throughout the build.

[Buryingthesun]

Looks like a nice build. Keep the pics coming throughout the build.

This will be picture heavy, I like to document everything ;)

[Later-A-body]

Great starting point. Nice that it was your dad's car too. I have all the GW suspension parts....they are very good quality parts. Are you planning to stay with the 326, or go with a 400/428/455? I like the man pedal quote. You will love the car even more!!!

[Buryingthesun]

Great starting point. Nice that it was your dad's car too. I have all the GW suspension parts....they are very good quality parts. Are you planning to stay with the 326, or go with a 400/428/455? I like the man pedal quote. You will love the car even more!!!

Im going to keep the 326, My best friends dad builds pro-stock race engines, he said he can get 500hp out of it easy. So we will see what I can do with it, I love the idea of having the original motor in it.


side note, i just opened up the 6 foot long Hotchkis box with my sway bar in it lol. It is very beastly looking! I will post some pics in a few

[Buryingthesun]

This sway bar is massive, Im used to working on imports so this is about twice as thick as any aftermarket sway ive ever installed lol

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[Later-A-body]

I think it's a good move to keep it original. No disrespect intended but 500 hp from a Pontiac 326 is very hard to get. Very small bore size. It would not be very streetable, and you will spend more $ than a larger Pontiac. Call SD Performance/Butler Performance or other Pontiac experts first just to get some options and opinions.

[LeighP]

Great thing about Pontiacs...heaps of torque, and the big cube engines fit exactly where the samll cubes fit...no difference.

Check out Pro-Touring F-body for some well priced 1st gen subframe connectors and solid alloy body mounts.

[Buryingthesun]

I think it's a good move to keep it original. No disrespect intended but 500 hp from a Pontiac 326 is very hard to get. Very small bore size. It would not be very streetable, and you will spend more $ than a larger Pontiac. Call SD Performance/Butler Performance or other Pontiac experts first just to get some options and opinions.

Pontiacs all use the same block, all that is needed is to bore and stroke it. Toss on a set of KRE heads and I have a 460+ ci car twister. I know your not disrespecting me at all, but I have built 700hp 2.0L honda motors. IMO its not that hard to make 500hp all motor in a V8 if you have all the right components.

[LeighP]

Well...not really the "same" black...while they are the same external size and visually look the same, there are some significant casting differences internally between various engine capcities and years.

[Buryingthesun]

Well...not really the "same" black...while they are the same external size and visually look the same, there are some significant casting differences internally between various engine capcities and years.

I know a 455 crank wont fit in the 326/400 blocks. but I have my eye on a set of head's and bottom end kit that will make the power I want to achieve

[Glenn]

That's a beautiful ride!

[Buryingthesun]

That's a beautiful ride!

Thank you verry much!

[Buryingthesun]

Getting some pricing on the QA1 front coilovers this week, Probably going to order them up!

I also met a guy at the race track last weekend that does powdercoating from his home, looks like Im going to get my factory subframe blasted and powdercoated for $250.00 seems like a legit price so I might have to jump on that!

[Buryingthesun]

So today I had some time to dig into the Firebird. . . I have been reluctant to do so as I know im going to end up downing the car until next spring. But lastnight I did a trip to get ice cream with my girlfriend down the highway. Let me tell you, i was not ok with the amount of movement at highway speeds. So to day I took it appart, just waiting on finding a local powdercoater to do the arms then I will be installing the GW bushings and new ball joints.

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[68firebird]

And it begins lol. Have fun! Learn from my mistake, don't leave it out of commission for too long! How is the front coming apart for you, nice and easy or are all the bolts rusted frozen? I used Eastwood chassis black primer and paint on my arms and the subframe that I could get at, suppose to not chip and all that jazz.

[Buryingthesun]

And it begins lol. Have fun! Learn from my mistake, don't leave it out of commission for too long! How is the front coming apart for you, nice and easy or are all the bolts rusted frozen? I used Eastwood chassis black primer and paint on my arms and the subframe that I could get at, suppose to not chip and all that jazz.

everything is coming apart nice! due to the front main leak ev erything had a nice coat of oil on it so there is no rot just your usual surface rust from a 45 year old desert car lol. Im on the fence right now about what to restore them with either POR15 or powder coat . . . I would like to get it back together quick, but Im the anal kind of person and can't do anything 80% and have to get it all done right the first time. But the way I look at it if I just do the lowers now I could just replace other parts as I go. I want to replace all the the steering components, but lack of free money is preventing me from doing this. Today Im going to get some simple green and start degreasing the whole underside.

on a side not the drum brakes look great. . . but the lines going to them leave a bit to sweat about lol. I would like to find some OEM replacement lines from the MC to front brakes.

[Buryingthesun]

Just for the record. . . if a girl ever tells you size doen't matter, she is a damn liar

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[Buryingthesun]

old bushings are out, time to get them blasted and powder coated.

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[Buryingthesun]

no pictures yet, but the lower control arms are out getting media blasted and powder coated. I picked up all new hardware for everything. . . literally everything, I ended up using stainless hardware for almost everything but the 4 lower control arms (1/2-13x3.75") because I could not find any grade ratings on them. Good news is I managed to get a set of cadmium plated 1/2-13x3.75" bolts from a friend, they will use stainless washers and stainless lock nuts. The sway bar I used stainless alen cap head screws to secure to the sub frame. I really wish I had taken the fram out and cleaned it up, but Im just replacing parts to keep this car rolling until winter. I should be taking delivery on the QA1's by thursday :) pics will be up once they are in.

[Buryingthesun]

Just got my control arms back from the powder coater! they look 100x better than before, I cant wait to install the new balljoints and GW bushings tomorrow. I test fitted the new bump stops with stainless hardware. My QA1's should also be getting delivered at some point tomorrow, I hope to get her back together for the weekend :)

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[Buryingthesun]

New Moog ball joints, GW bushings, Bump stops all installed today with all new stainless hardware

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[66larkgs]

i live in acushnet mass and i do powdercoated in my house with a eastwood kit.. would be something you should look into buying. you will save huge by doing it yourself.. thier is a company 5 min away called powder pros and they did my rearend for $200 and did a great job.. spend $500 to get setup but save thousands..

[66larkgs]

62817you can see the spindles, i did the upper control arms, pitman arm, frame ears and plate, did a bunch of my pulleys and brackets, carb hat ,plus so much more.. get a electric oven cheap, i got mine for free someone was throwing it away, i think i paid $200 for the kit, bought a bunch of powder and the hardest part is sandblasting everything. i am around $500 but i have made that back just doing valve covers, intakes and pulleys for people

[Buryingthesun]

62817you can see the spindles, i did the upper control arms, pitman arm, frame ears and plate, did a bunch of my pulleys and brackets, carb hat ,plus so much more.. get a electric oven cheap, i got mine for free someone was throwing it away, i think i paid $200 for the kit, bought a bunch of powder and the hardest part is sandblasting everything. i am around $500 but i have made that back just doing valve covers, intakes and pulleys for people

I know what your saying but Id have to buy a sandblaster, media, an oven, and the kit. I can buy an oven big enough to do the parts I need done now. so you might just get a call from me when I need some small parts donw ;)

[66larkgs]

Bring the Beer!!!

[Buryingthesun]

Bring the Beer!!!

can do!

[rohrt]

I might think twice about building a 326. Try finding head gaskets first.

Not saying the 326 is a bad motor. I have one in my tempest and get 20mpg. I just love it. Just saying it may not be the best choice for a performance engine. I have some cheap headers on it and it moves pretty good down the road.

I have a roller cam 455 in my 68 that is most likely a bit under 450hp and it has a very smooth idle and is a joy to drive. Smaller cube engines with big cams to make the same HP is a differnt story.

Make sure you know what your expectations are.

Car looks great BTW

[Buryingthesun]

Tonight is a jack & coke night since my coilovers still have not arrived :(

[LeighP]

Those arms look good......I seem to recall from mucking around with a couple of 67 Firebirds...feed that sway bar through BEFORE you fit anything else. :)

[Buryingthesun]

Those arms look good......I seem to recall from mucking around with a couple of 67 Firebirds...feed that sway bar through BEFORE you fit anything else. :)


I did install the sway bar before any other parts were installed! It was looking like a nighmare when I attempted to remove the factory sway bar before anything elts

[Buryingthesun]

Atlast! The QA1's have arrived, Unfortunately I will be away for a few days and then This weekend I will be going to New Jersey for a race. Who knows I might get them in today.

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[68firebird]

Nice!!!!!

[Buryingthesun]

Nice!!!!!

I know! I get my kicks of the small things, Im not an old rich guy who can just pay some shop to build his car for him. This is going to be a long term awesom ;)

[68firebird]

I know! I get my kicks of the small things, Im not an old rich guy who can just pay some shop to build his car for him. This is going to be a long term awesom ;)

Copy that bro, same here, I barely have enough budget to buy parts for my car, never mind pay someone to install them. Kinda sucks though when you have to trouble shoot something and you have no clue where to start, kinda like where I'm at with mine, LOL. Lookin at those makes me wish I picked up QA1's though, hahaha.

[Buryingthesun]

Copy that bro, same here, I barely have enough budget to buy parts for my car, never mind pay someone to install them. Kinda sucks though when you have to trouble shoot something and you have no clue where to start, kinda like where I'm at with mine, LOL. Lookin at those makes me wish I picked up QA1's though, hahaha.



Well im shooting from the hip, I have been hearing the QA1's tend to leak and have problems because they sideload the seals. I got the QA1's at cost so im going to work with it for now. I was debating making an upper spring perch to prevent sideload on the strut. I also want to replace the rubber bushing with a sperical bearing setup to preven deflection on the lower end of the damper.

[boostin05blacksti]

Love the do it yourself approach. Im in the same boat..if I had to pay someone to do all my labor there would be no car. Just keep picking away man youll get there. Soon enough youll be back on the road again.. who makes the sway bar? Looks nice and beefy..

[66larkgs]

I think most of the guys here are in the same boat. I swear I should name my car car the "hustler" . Every time I need a part I have to buy and sell parts or hustle up a side job. My rule of thumb is get one thing done every time u go in the garage and one day it will get done.

[Buryingthesun]

Love the do it yourself approach. Im in the same boat..if I had to pay someone to do all my labor there would be no car. Just keep picking away man youll get there. Soon enough youll be back on the road again.. who makes the sway bar? Looks nice and beefy..

The sway bar is a Hotchkis, it is quite beefy ;)


I think most of the guys here are in the same boat. I swear I should name my car car the "hustler" . Every time I need a part I have to buy and sell parts or hustle up a side job. My rule of thumb is get one thing done every time u go in the garage and one day it will get done.

Tell me about it, I have to find all sorts of silly deals before I buy a part. Luckily I work with a whole saler. . . but its for imports so some parts I can not get at cost

[Buryingthesun]

Well this looks embarrising to some, but Im happy I have all my new components installed. I know the frame looks like s***, but hey I can deal with it until my spare frame is finished up. I didnt have time to pull the motor I will save that for this winter when I do the brakes and frame.

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[rohrt]

Well this looks embarrising to some, but Im happy I have all my new components installed. I know the frame looks like s***, but hey I can deal with it until my spare frame is finished up. I didnt have time to pull the motor I will save that for this winter when I do the brakes and frame.

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Thats like getting out of the shower and putting on dirty underware:)LOL

You putting the drums back on the front?

[Buryingthesun]

Thats like getting out of the shower and putting on dirty underware:)LOL

You putting the drums back on the front?

Yeah, until I have all the parts for the brakes that's what I have to work with

[68400BIRD]

Well im shooting from the hip, I have been hearing the QA1's tend to leak and have problems because they sideload the seals. I got the QA1's at cost so im going to work with it for now. I was debating making an upper spring perch to prevent sideload on the strut. I also want to replace the rubber bushing with a sperical bearing setup to preven deflection on the lower end of the damper.

Qa1's are made in my state of MN. I talked to them to find out who locally repaired them. I called the repair company and asked them how often they repaired the QA1's from the side load seal problem. Their comment was few to none. Most were repaired bacause of being bottomed out and turning the adjusting knob to far. Both user error in my book.

[Buryingthesun]

Qa1's are made in my state of MN. I talked to them to find out who locally repaired them. I called the repair company and asked them how often they repaired the QA1's from the side load seal problem. Their comment was few to none. Most were repaired bacause of being bottomed out and turning the adjusting knob to far. Both user error in my book.

well that gives me some peace of mind, thank you for sharing

[66larkgs]

Yeah, until I have all the parts for the brakes that's what I have to work with

properly adjusted drum brakes and they will be fine for what your using them. **** if your tring to save money you can always take the 50 min drive and i can machine all four on my brake lathe. hell you take the drive i will even supply the beer:cheers:. It problely will cost you more in fuel but i dont know what the going rate is for maching drums these day..

[Buryingthesun]

properly adjusted drum brakes and they will be fine for what your using them. **** if your tring to save money you can always take the 50 min drive and i can machine all four on my brake lathe. hell you take the drive i will even supply the beer:cheers:. It problely will cost you more in fuel but i dont know what the going rate is for maching drums these day..

where are you located? It's actually hard to find a person with a brake lathe these days lol

[68400BIRD]

I have some parts that might help you get swapped over to stock front disc brakes.

[Buryingthesun]

Just got the car back together this morning, its so amazing how it drives, the car is solid and takes corners flat! Im pumped to drive this some more and collect more parts before winter when I down it again.

[Buryingthesun]

Now I need to decide what to do with the rear suspension, I know it would be great to have a multi-link coilover set-up, but what would be negitave about upgrading the leaf springs with newer lowering springs? I have been looking at the Hotchkis springs and they seem to have good reviews

[Buryingthesun]

Happy to see this in my driveway again. I still have another 1" of lowring left to the adjustment, I will save that for after I get the new wheels.

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[Buryingthesun]

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[Buryingthesun]

Just placed an order with NPD for some "asthetics" maybe make this car a little more aggressive with out breaking the bank ;)

[AintQik]

Front looks good. My QA1s started leaking after being installed and riding in an enclosed trailer from CO to NJ. Pulled it out the trailer and they were leaking. Car had zero time on the street. Coils went on, car sat a month, then the trailer ride. Do a google search and you will find more than "few and far between". I thought I might be one of the "few and far betweens" but my research led me to believe otherwise. The final straw was a conversation with a very well known suspension guru and book author who confirmed these coil overs were not a good design. So, I replaced them. Now, you got em and I think they are going to be fine. But, I don't want people to think there is no problem. Are they better than factory coils? Probably. Are they the perfect alternative to true coil overs? No.

[68firebird]

Bird looks really good!! I'm jealous. I wish I had mine out there, still have to find what Is making some kind of clunking sound up front, but I'm in vaca right now, so that's in hold. Have fun!!!

[Buryingthesun]

After alot of debate, this will be the wheel I want to run on the car, size and off set will be kept secret for now. But alot of modifacations will be made for it to work, let me know what you think!

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[662door]

Wheels look good! I'd go gun metal gray thought.... I'm with ya in the budget boat, in the last year i got married bought a house and am expecting my daughter in the next 2 weeks so my Nova budget has been bust for a while lol

[DEIVIONCRX]

I've wanted to see RPF1's on a Pro-Touring car for some time. I hate that they dont make a 5x120 pattern wheel.

[Buryingthesun]

I've wanted to see RPF1's on a Pro-Touring car for some time. I hate that they dont make a 5x120 pattern wheel.

im having custom 5x114.3 hubs made, that will open up all sorts of wheel option from Volks to Works . . . I used to build Honda's so this is a nice option for me lol

[AintQik]

That's a great idea, and opens a world of new possibilities.

[Buryingthesun]

I did one of these things with the help of a 6-pack of technology on it today. . . Im surprised at how solid it is with the braces

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[CruizinKev]

looks great! love the new stance!! :twothumbs

[Buryingthesun]

I have decided after driving a buddys stick car the other night this car needs a trans swap. I originally wanted to do a T56 from a Cobra, but I really don't think I need that. I have decided to go with a TKO 600 conversion. I hope to get all the parts by november so when I pull the motor to get rebuild I can slap that bitch back on in the spring ;)

[Buryingthesun]

I've been quiet for a month... Reason being I've been out driving my car!

I'm picking up a Pontiac 400 out of a 70' Catalina that will be getting a big boy build over the winter. Stay tuned, I will post updates as I can.

[68400BIRD]

Your car is looking great. It's nice to hear about some of us actually being able to drive our cars. LOL I'm not one of them yet. I'm getting close but so is winter. Enjoy driving it for as long as you can and then swap out the motor and tranny this winter/spring. I will be watching for updates.

[Smock67]

Love the progress you've made and its awesome seeing another 67 on here. Do it once do it right, I like your style sir.

[Buryingthesun]

Quick update, I purchased a set of Mitsubishi Evolution IX brembo calipers for the firebird. I'm going to start machining a set of hubs as soon as I can find a drum spindle to do mock up on. I will be running rear brembo brakes off the same car once I finish the front.

[makoshark]

I have 2 sets of drum spindles and 2 sets of drum hubs. One set of spindles has already been machined to accept disc brakes. One set of drum hubs has brand new wheel bearings installed

[Buryingthesun]

I'm looking for a stock set of drum spindles

[E-Vukets]

Great looking rims, I was going to run them in black on my coupe but was worried they would look too modern. I really wish I would have bit the bullet on them after seeing them on your car

[Buryingthesun]

More progress, just picked up another set of Brembo calipers off a Mitsubishi Evolution X

Once I get a spare set of spindles (still looking) I can then fabricate some adapter brackets.

[makoshark]

I have 2 sets of spindles. One is a disc brake set and the other is a drum brake set. Both sets are for sale if you are interested.

[Buryingthesun]

Where are you located?

[makoshark]

Just outside of Memphis, TN in Byhalia, MS

[BCHALK22]

Loving this car. I think it is the color that makes it stand out from all the other Firebirds ive seen keep up the good work. Spoiler makes a big difference.

[Buryingthesun]

Thank you BCHALK22

@makoshark, how much are you looking to get? Shipping may be expensive

[Buryingthesun]

Well it might not look like much but this is where I'm starting. The plan is in my head, I know it will be awesome, but also fitting in my "poor boy theme"

Drum spindles and Evolution (Brembo) calipers. Time to make some hubs and adapter brackets. On a side not I picked up a new intake manifold and Holley carb. Pics of that jazz later.

[72blackbird]

Im going to keep the 326, My best friends dad builds pro-stock race engines, he said he can get 500hp out of it easy. So we will see what I can do with it, I love the idea of having the original motor in it.

If you want to run the 326 but make big hp, look at KRE heads. I built a 326 for a guy who also had a 67 Bird with a 326- we went the KRE head route and a mild Comp XE 268H cam. He has a hard time convincing the local Chevy guys the 326 isn't a 400.

Geno

[Buryingthesun]

If you want to run the 326 but make big hp, look at KRE heads. I built a 326 for a guy who also had a 67 Bird with a 326- we went the KRE head route and a mild Comp XE 268H cam. He has a hard time convincing the local Chevy guys the 326 isn't a 400.

Geno

I have a list of Tin Indian "future buys" just no funds for it lol

[Buryingthesun]

More ugly pictures... Taking them to work tomorrow to start disassembly and media blasting. Fairly big compared to the Kleenex box

[Buryingthesun]

All hot tanked, if I have time later they well begin getting media blasted

[Buryingthesun]

Alright, now were talking.

[67TXStang]

Nice build thread. I like to see others fix up their cars on a budget similar to my own. Keep up the good work.

I've a '67 Mustang I'm working on. I work as you have been in that I restore/upgrade something, return to driving it, save some money, and then tackle something else.

[Buryingthesun]

Nice build thread. I like to see others fix up their cars on a budget similar to my own. Keep up the good work.

I've a '67 Mustang I'm working on. I work as you have been in that I restore/upgrade something, return to driving it, save some money, and then tackle something else.

Thank you very much! I appreciate positive responses on this, I know I update my thread here and there with things that are otherwise "unimpressive" to others but it impresses me. Everything I touch I restore and update, unfortunately in the real world I'm blue collar and can only afford what I can.

Either way, IMO I'm building a better car than the guy sending his to a shop and waving his pen over a check.

[Buryingthesun]

I came to a conclusion that the rear should be independent rear suspension. Updates as soon as I can find the parts I need.

[Sneke_Eyez]

Always cool to watch the build thread of a local guy!

I like the wheel idea, something different than what you see regularly on a PT style of that gen Firebird/Camaro.
I also like that you've found some sweet calipers to use for peanuts. I need to do the same for my Coronet.
Independent rear suspension, eh? What unit are you planning to use?

[makoshark]

I came to a conclusion that the rear should be independent rear suspension. Updates as soon as I can find the parts I need.

What made you come to that conclusion? IRS and budget don't really fit together, though. I think you would be better served with one of the aftermarket rear suspensions and come out cheaper with less headaches. Just my opinion though

[E-Vukets]

If you are looking to paint the calipers I would strongly recommend the Dupi-color brake paint kit. I painted my calipers red last summer and they have not chipped yet with driving my mustang daily and the brake dust comes off easily with a just wet rag! Much more budget friendly than powder coating and much easier to clean.

[Buryingthesun]

Always cool to watch the build thread of a local guy!

I like the wheel idea, something different than what you see regularly on a PT style of that gen Firebird/Camaro.
I also like that you've found some sweet calipers to use for peanuts. I need to do the same for my Coronet.
Independent rear suspension, eh? What unit are you planning to use?

Thanks man! They can be found on many Japanies cars (Subaru/Mitsubishi/Nissan)


What made you come to that conclusion? IRS and budget don't really fit together, though. I think you would be better served with one of the aftermarket rear suspensions and come out cheaper with less headaches. Just my opinion though

I'm in no rush, so to collect the parts and fully fabricate my own set-up is not a problem. Financially I'm not looking to drop $100,000.00 but to toss a few hundo here and there is more realistic.


If you are looking to paint the calipers I would strongly recommend the Dupi-color brake paint kit. I painted my calipers red last summer and they have not chipped yet with driving my mustang daily and the brake dust comes off easily with a just wet rag! Much more budget friendly than powder coating and much easier to clean.

I'm going to powder coat them. Paint is for kids

[E-Vukets]

I guess my budget is more "poor-boy" than yours haha! Good luck on the brakes

[makoshark]

I bought the Ridetech 4-link for $1150 and then a little later bought the rear single adjustable coilovers for $550. That was through Matt's Classic Bowties, which I highly recommend. They give us forum guys the best deals. A rear IRS, even pieced together, will run you more than that.

[Buryingthesun]

I bought the Ridetech 4-link for $1150 and then a little later bought the rear single adjustable coilovers for $550. That was through Matt's Classic Bowties, which I highly recommend. They give us forum guys the best deals. A rear IRS, even pieced together, will run you more than that.

Either way it's a future project, definitely not in the present year.

[LUV2XLR8]

whats your plan for brackets for your brembo setup?

[Buryingthesun]

whats your plan for brackets for your brembo setup?

Once I get some hubs made up I can put the rotors on and mock up the calipers. I may make cardboard templates and have my buddy rough cut them in his water jet. Or just mill them on the Bridgeport.

[Buryingthesun]

72473So I've been having a hard time tracking down a set of stock front hubs. I emailed tobin, need to decide if its in my budget. So with out a set to modify/copy I'm kind of at a standstill

Here is a quick peak as to what they look like together

[makoshark]

I have 2 sets of stock hubs. One set has brand new bearings that I would sell

[Buryingthesun]

Sneakie peak

[68firebird]

Hope you get the spindles you need! sounding like you've got some good ideas. I'm jumping back into working on mine since its starting to get nice out and I can open my garage door, LOL. I'm having problems with my front calipers locking up after a ride, so thats my first step to get it back on the road in the next week or two. Maybe this season we'll be able to meet up at a cruise night somewhere. good luck dude.

[Buryingthesun]

Hope you get the spindles you need! sounding like you've got some good ideas. I'm jumping back into working on mine since its starting to get nice out and I can open my garage door, LOL. I'm having problems with my front calipers locking up after a ride, so thats my first step to get it back on the road in the next week or two. Maybe this season we'll be able to meet up at a cruise night somewhere. good luck dude.

Finally took the car out, it's in the driveway right now... Just need some money to make it all come together. Until then I'm going to keep driving it

[Buryingthesun]

Quick iPhone photo

[Buryingthesun]

The wheels I'm going with

[68firebird]

Look good, what kind are they, and what size you going with?

[Buryingthesun]

Look good, what kind are they, and what size you going with?

Thanks, they are Enkei RPF1's 18x9.5 and 18x11

I still have some major modifications needed to make them fit

[68firebird]

Thanks, they are Enkei RPF1's 18x9.5 and 18x11

I still have some major modifications needed to make them fit

awesome, thanks for the info. when you think you're gonna start those mods? over the winter I'm assuming. hows the cruising going so far?

[Buryingthesun]

awesome, thanks for the info. when you think you're gonna start those mods? over the winter I'm assuming. hows the cruising going so far?

I took the car off the road a few weeks ago, I may mini tub it while its off the road but should be back on the road in July or late June

[Buryingthesun]

Possibly ditching the poncho V8 for a modern motor

[Buryingthesun]

Plasti-dip'd the nose on my car... Sorry Rene, yours looked too good

[captainofiron]

thats a pretty hilarious front license plate, haha

[68firebird]

thats cool bro! Looks just as good on yours!!! I'm gonna do the rest of the chrome and trim too, all except for the door handles. you doin the same?

[armourmark]

Where are you guys purchasing the plasti-dip?

[68firebird]

Where are you guys purchasing the plasti-dip?

The local Walmart near me carries the black, white, and the glossifier. Or you can buy many other colors from dipyourcar.com

[Buryingthesun]

Lowes sells it by me, I'm only doing the bumper for now.

[Buryingthesun]

Car meet was great on Sunday

[68firebird]

she looks good dude! looks like you have a nice assortment of cars that show up there too! and that black bumper makes a HUGE difference. I love it!

[captainofiron]

really like the stance on your bird, what springs you running?

are those 14" ralleys?

[Buryingthesun]

she looks good dude! looks like you have a nice assortment of cars that show up there too! and that black bumper makes a HUGE difference. I love it!

Thank you! But you take the credit


really like the stance on your bird, what springs you running?

are those 14" ralleys?

I'm running QA1 coil overs on the front and mono leafs in the rear. The wheels are the factory 14" ralleys

[Buryingthesun]

Just purchased a 400 on EBay for $73.00

Time to collect some parts :)

[Buryingthesun]

Here it is in all its glory ;)

[captainofiron]

73 bucks! wow

check the casting number, some of the later 70s ones are prone to cracking on some of the webbing

[Buryingthesun]

Just picked up a set of 6x heads for $100

[Buryingthesun]

No crazy updates this weekend, just started to sketch out the cage last night and how the drivers seat/pedals/steering will be set up.

Money money money....

[Buryingthesun]

Now that's some meats

[Buryingthesun]

17x8 with a 4.5" backspace, tire is a 275/40r17

[Buryingthesun]

I am extremely excited to finally get the wheels and tires on my car, once that's done I can mock up my front brakes finally. I still have not even picked out a rear disc brake kit yet, I have to do some math to figure out what will compliment the massive front brakes

[68firebird]

What happened to the other rims you were getting?

[Buryingthesun]

What happened to the other rims you were getting?

I test fitted a set and they just didn't look too good. these wheels will not be the final look, but more of a temporary wheel for now. I need more tire to enjoy driving the car, I was making all kinds of racket with the factory sized wheels and tires. I felt like I was not getting the full potential out of my suspension mods.

[68firebird]

I test fitted a set and they just didn't look too good. these wheels will not be the final look, but more of a temporary wheel for now. I need more tire to enjoy driving the car, I was making all kinds of racket with the factory sized wheels and tires. I felt like I was not getting the full potential out of my suspension mods.

No doubt those size tires will help. Now you'll really see what difference the suspension changes will make!! I like those tires.

[Buryingthesun]

No doubt those size tires will help. Now you'll really see what difference the suspension changes will make!! I like those tires.

I know its going to be dramatic

[BirdsThaWord]

I like the wheels you bought. I've seen them before on 'Birds and Camaros and think they look great. No, they aren't billet 3 piece high dollar pro-touring style wheels, but they look pretty dang good in my opinion. Plus they probably weigh a little less. You'll be getting rid of some weight where it counts. Rubber looks like some good grip too!

[Buryingthesun]

I like the wheels you bought. I've seen them before on 'Birds and Camaros and think they look great. No, they aren't billet 3 piece high dollar pro-touring style wheels, but they look pretty dang good in my opinion. Plus they probably weigh a little less. You'll be getting rid of some weight where it counts. Rubber looks like some good grip too!

thank you! I know they are not what I wanted but Im happy with them for now until I can afford the right wheels.

[Buryingthesun]

It needs camber, but 275's fit upfront

[Buryingthesun]

I think I'm going to need to G-mod the upper control arms and get tubular UCA's (Global West) for this to work properly

[BirdsThaWord]

Aint that the usual? One step forward, two steps back!

[68firebird]

Aint that the usual? One step forward, two steps back!

Ain't that the f$&kin truth!!!!

Looks good dude, definitely need to bring the top of that tire in. I think you can get away with just the g-mod without the tubular upper arms, just gonna have a **** load of shims in there for alignment, like mine lol.

[Buryingthesun]

Ain't that the f$&kin truth!!!!

Looks good dude, definitely need to bring the top of that tire in. I think you can get away with just the g-mod without the tubular upper arms, just gonna have a **** load of shims in there for alignment, like mine lol.

I want the added caster the global west arms add. Do you still have your template from your g-mod? I'm wondering if its going to be a weekend job or a full on project.

[mikewoods]

I want the added caster the global west arms add. Do you still have your template from your g-mod? I'm wondering if its going to be a weekend job or a full on project.

I'm interested in the G-mod template as well. I'm tearing the front end apart this weekend or next and would like to do this while I'm in there.

[Buryingthesun]

I'm interested in the G-mod template as well. I'm tearing the front end apart this weekend or next and would like to do this while I'm in there.

once I get the spec's I'm going to machine a real template from aluminum. Maybe share it around so people don't have to guess.

[adibs]

wheel/tire fitment will look sick with a little negative camber!

[Buryingthesun]

wheel/tire fitment will look sick with a little negative camber!

Without camber they won't work

[BirdsThaWord]

once I get the spec's I'm going to machine a real template from aluminum. Maybe share it around so people don't have to guess.

That sure would be nice of you!!!

[68firebird]

I want the added caster the global west arms add. Do you still have your template from your g-mod? I'm wondering if its going to be a weekend job or a full on project.

No, mine were ruined once I used them. Google guldstrand modification template and it will come up under images. Just have to make sure you get the right size, like if someone scanned one in as a PDF. I had ordered mine from guldstrand motors ports originally, but that was about 6-8 years ago.

[Buryingthesun]

No, mine were ruined once I used them. Google guldstrand modification template and it will come up under images. Just have to make sure you get the right size, like if someone scanned one in as a PDF. I had ordered mine from guldstrand motors ports originally, but that was about 6-8 years ago.

I can't find a PDF, just print offs that are under sized

[68firebird]

Check this link out. It's from David pozzi's site. He has a pattern halfway down the page, read his instructions on how to use it. http://www.pozziracing.com/first_gen_suspension_geome.htm#Re-located%20upper%20mount

[Buryingthesun]

Check this link out. It's from David pozzi's site. He has a pattern halfway down the page, read his instructions on how to use it. http://www.pozziracing.com/first_gen_suspension_geome.htm#Re-located%20upper%20mount

I have that printed off in my "folder" (I'm old school and keep hard copies of important stuff)
Best part is I've sourced out some old penskey alignment specs in there somewhere too

[Buryingthesun]

Looks like I'm going to need to save some money for the tru turn kit

[68firebird]

Looks like I'm going to need to save some money for the tru turn kit
What's that? Never heard of it

[Buryingthesun]

What's that? Never heard of it

http://www.ridetech.com/store/tru-turn/

I have so race car fabricator friends and they are suggesting not to do the Guldstran mod

[Buryingthesun]

Ended up removing the plasti dip, turns out I didn't like it

[68firebird]

Ended up removing the plasti dip, turns out I didn't like it

hahaha, what the hell is that, you liked it at first, then you suddenly didn't. too funny bro. (and I'm not being a jerk, just bustin balls! I know how some stuff can get misconstrued on a forum) what didn't you like, the look of the black nose or the plasti dip itself? Did it come off pretty easy?

[Buryingthesun]

hahaha, what the hell is that, you liked it at first, then you suddenly didn't. too funny bro. (and I'm not being a jerk, just bustin balls! I know how some stuff can get misconstrued on a forum) what didn't you like, the look of the black nose or the plasti dip itself? Did it come off pretty easy?

I didn't like the texture, no hurt feelings here bro

Mother****er to take off FYI

[68firebird]

I didn't like the texture, no hurt feelings here bro

Mother****er to take off FYI

I have to agree, the texture does kinda suck, but I like the look, so until I get a more permanent solution I'm gonna stick with it. plus I'm not really feeling like taking it off after you say its a pain in the ass.

[adibs]

Check out duplicolor black chrome!

[Buryingthesun]

I have to agree, the texture does kinda suck, but I like the look, so until I get a more permanent solution I'm gonna stick with it. plus I'm not really feeling like taking it off after you say its a pain in the ass.

John Deere makes a paint called "blitz black" by far the best satin black in a can know to mankind.

[armourmark]

I second the blitz black. I am not a John Deere man, but for rattle can, it's good.

[Buryingthesun]

No major updates

Fiancé left me so everything is boxed up in storage right now. I haven't driven the car in about a month.

Love summer

[68firebird]

Oh man sorry to hear that!!!! Was wondering where you been.

[Quickboat]

Great thread, kinda been going down a similar road, minus the Fiance trouble. (Suks) But I am a bit further along than you. Was wondering about the Tru Turn system you were talking about. Are you going with one? Where are you getting it from?
I have the G mod and have had it for years (like it). But I realize it is not used with the Tru Turn and will need to be reversed. Is that why your guys recommended against it?

[boodlefoof]

Possibly ditching the poncho V8 for a modern motor


If you're looking at aluminum heads for the Poncho, the price difference with a used LS motor does start to shrink pretty quick. If you can't find a good deal on the used modern motor, you can build a pretty stout Pontiac even with cheap factory heads though. I've got a set of 6X heads sitting here if you're interested.

[Buryingthesun]

If you're looking at aluminum heads for the Poncho, the price difference with a used LS motor does start to shrink pretty quick. If you can't find a good deal on the used modern motor, you can build a pretty stout Pontiac even with cheap factory heads though. I've got a set of 6X heads sitting here if you're interested.

I have a good set of 6x heads on my work bench. I want to keep it all pontiac

[Buryingthesun]

Did a little weekend cruise with some friends yesterday.

[Buryingthesun]

picking up some "lighting" parts for the car this weekend

custom headlights with HID projectors and LED's in progress, maybe if I get some interest I will post some teaser pics on a DIY build thread I will be writing up.

[SRD art]

Nice build you've got going there! I like the black bumper so I'm anxious to see how you resolve that one. I have a few items I was hoping to paint black rather than powder coat, so I'm interested in what's almost as durable.

I did the G-mod to my son's Nova subframe a while back. Wasn't much of a chore, and went pretty quick. The car is still in the build stage so I don't have updates on how it works but the results from others are out there. With the G-mod you have to do some clearancing on the mount, don't forget that step.

Now that I work here at Speed Tech, I've learned with upper arms like ours with the correct caster built in to the design, simply dropping the mount holes down rather than completely moving them allows a little easier installation with great geometry results. There are some forum threads about doing this so try a search on that. If you have any questions fire away here or give our tech guys a call- 435-628-4300. Good luck and keep the progress rolling!

[Rod]

Great thread, kinda been going down a similar road, minus the Fiance trouble. (Suks) But I am a bit further along than you. Was wondering about the Tru Turn system you were talking about. Are you going with one? Where are you getting it from?
I have the G mod and have had it for years (like it). But I realize it is not used with the Tru Turn and will need to be reversed. Is that why your guys recommended against it?

I have run the tru turn with both the g-mod and without, I say run the g-mod, hope that helps

[68firebird]

hey, glad you are getting out and driving again! I really want to put LED taillights in!!! You gonna be making those?

[Buryingthesun]

hey, glad you are getting out and driving again! I really want to put LED taillights in!!! You gonna be making those?

yeah man, I will let you know how they come out. But the tail lights are down the road. from the sounds of it your keeping the bird?

[68firebird]

yeah man, I will let you know how they come out. But the tail lights are down the road. from the sounds of it your keeping the bird?

yes, right now I am. I have everyone I know telling me to not get rid of it, even though its a money pit, LOL!

[Buryingthesun]

yes, right now I am. I have everyone I know telling me to not get rid of it, even though its a money pit, LOL!

every hobby is a money pit, keep the rare money pit. you will always regret it if you don't!

[Buryingthesun]

Had some issues with my Firebird yesterday. It must be the heat, but my 326 is bone stock down to the 2bbl carb and ignition. It starts and runs perfectly (idles) but as soon as I give it throttle (in gear) it stalls out unless I peg it 100% throttle.

Im wondering if it is just vapor locked from the 95+ degree temps we have been getting here daily.

Any suggestions?

[68firebird]

Had some issues with my Firebird yesterday. It must be the heat, but my 326 is bone stock down to the 2bbl carb and ignition. It starts and runs perfectly (idles) but as soon as I give it throttle (in gear) it stalls out unless I peg it 100% throttle.

Im wondering if it is just vapor locked from the 95+ degree temps we have been getting here daily.

Any suggestions?

clogged fuel filter maybe?

[Buryingthesun]

clogged fuel filter maybe?

It only did it mid day when it was hot out. once the night came it was fine. Same situation the following day when I tested my theory

[68firebird]

It only did it mid day when it was hot out. once the night came it was fine. Same situation the following day when I tested my theory

ah maybe you're right then about the vapor lock. thats kinda weird though.

[68400BIRD]

Check to see how close your fuel lines are to the exhaust. They sell heat sleeves that you can put over them. I also say don't sell it for a newer car.

[Buryingthesun]

I'm not selling my car lol

[Buryingthesun]

I decided to go LSX, stay tuned!

****s about to get real with this poor boy

[btbob]

I decided to go LSX, stay tuned!

****s about to get real with this poor boy

Awesome. Love how your car keeps evolving. Just paint the block pontiac blue. :razz:

[Buryingthesun]

Awesome. Love how your car keeps evolving. Just paint the block pontiac blue. :razz:

Thanks! Im super excited to go this route! I have all kinds of ideas floating in my brain from kinsler ITB's to a twin turbo set-up

The good thing is I have super A.D.H.D. so I'm all over the place with this build, unfortunately its not a lot of bling and $$$ but its a worker thats doing work. i cant wait to use it as a weapon on the streets.

[Buryingthesun]

Ok, Just to update

Solid plan of attack for the engine is as follows:

4.8L Engine (bone stock)
OEM truck manifold flipped
DIY Turbo manifold's
Single T4 Ebay GT45 76mm twin scroll turbo
Dual Turbosmart wastegates (true twinscroll)
Turbosmart BOV
Split DP to stock exhaust/e-cut with married waste gates

I should be able to knock all this out for under $2,000.00

[Bottledbird68]

Finally caved eh? I hear ya on the all Pontiac thing like I've said in the past. Just too hard to ignore all the advantages modern stuff has to offer. In for updates ;)

[Buryingthesun]

Finally caved eh? I hear ya on the all Pontiac thing like I've said in the past. Just too hard to ignore all the advantages modern stuff has to offer. In for updates ;)

Its unbeliveable how much more from so much less, and the money is about even per HP until you get past 400HP

[Bottledbird68]

Yup. I can put together a complete solid 650 horse boosted 5.3 for what my heads cost on my 600 horse pump gas 455. Plus have it idle, not overheat everywhere, and get decent mileage/drivability. The purist thing only takes you so far when it makes the car so much less enjoyable lol

[Buryingthesun]

Finally got around to mounting these up, 255/40r17 fronts 275/40r17 rears Falken Azenis RT615k

Toss them on the car this weekend, ordered Wilwood R6 front brakes. . . Cars going to get a little more awesome in the next few weeks

[68400BIRD]

Looking forward to the new look.

[SRD art]

Sweet! Progress is good!

[Buryingthesun]

Brakes wont be here for a week or two, but Im going to wait until winter to install. I have a lot of research to do on what prop valve and master cyl to use. I also have to convert to vac assist with these brakes because manual will never stop lol. Im also just debating buying the Wilwood rears with a functioning parking brake just so there is less fabrication needed.

Any input on the brakes is welcome. I wish I could have gone with Kore3 but no way to fit Z06 rotors under 17" wheels ruins my plan and look im going for. Plus I wanted the Wilwoods because of pad selection, for track duty I will be running Hawk DTC-70 brake pads, and Hawk HP+ on the streets. The only thing I don't like is how narrow the rotor thickness is, id have liked to have seen 30mm at the least.

The front brakes are Wilwood p/n 140-9803 Black powder coat / slotted rotors

[Bottledbird68]

Gave up on the brembos?

[Buryingthesun]

Gave up on the brembos?

Unfortunately yes Matt, The Wilwoods are a lot lighter and slap right on for the same price. Too much fab work and not enough time to accomplish it. I will be selling all the parts collected shortly, not sure what market would want them. Probably some ricers.... lol

[Bottledbird68]

I hear ya. Sometimes it's just easier not to reinvent the wheel ;)

[Buryingthesun]

Added the wheels and tires this morning. . . I like it, need to do some fine tuning on ride height tho

sorry for the crappy phone pictures82226

[Buryingthesun]

Here is another view

[Buryingthesun]

Here is a nice picture I took yesterday as the sun was setting.

I love how wide the car looks with the new wheels and tires

[66larkgs]

keep up the progress!! looking gd and keep up the hard work. one day us massholes need to hit a scca event or even Thompson speedway when it is fully open.

[Buryingthesun]

keep up the progress!! looking gd and keep up the hard work. one day us massholes need to hit a scca event or even Thompson speedway when it is fully open.

Thompson should be good to go spring of 2014!!

Im trying to get it prepped for then, hopefully side work will be good this fall and I can get the BMR rear I want

[68firebird]

Looks great with those rims and tires! And rubbing in the front?

[Buryingthesun]

Looks great with those rims and tires! And rubbing in the front?

no rubbing in the front, the rear however rubs on inclines, Im rolling the fenders tomorrow to resolve that issue

[SRD art]

Lookin good. Get the rear down an inch or so and you'll be golden!

[Buryingthesun]

Lookin good. Get the rear down an inch or so and you'll be golden!

Im thinking of going with a ridetech 4link in the spring.

But this project might go 2 ways in the next 6 months.... I may be buying my first house soon (im 27) if I do the car is getting stripped to steel, caged, epoxy coated and then repainted. (might take up too a year to do that madness) If I dont buy the house just slapping in a 4-link and tracking it as is (brakes will be converted over the winter)

[Buryingthesun]

Look what I have

[Ryno]

BAD ARSE! I'm diggin the stance! And the vanity plate

[Buryingthesun]

BAD ARSE! I'm diggin the stance! And the vanity plate

Thank you! I'm happy with the front... The rear however looks dumb for now until I 4-link it

[Buryingthesun]

So I ended up rolling the rear 1/4's with my buddys the other night. . . And what I mean buy "I ended up" I mean I drank beers while my buddys did It because I have no clue on any of that wizardry. It came out fantastic might I add with no more rubbing!

[Buryingthesun]

Here is a rolling shot taken this morning by my buddy

[Buryingthesun]

Parking lot pimping

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[Buryingthesun]

My ugly head is in this picture

[captainofiron]

Parking lot pimping

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

that looks killer

[Buryingthesun]

that looks killer

Thank you so much! everything I get positive or negative for feed back is inspirational for me! I wish I could spend the money and do everything I want up front but that's just not in my deck of cards. This is a functioning project, So as I build it I'm still going to be driving it (aside from cage and paint of course)


I would love to hear some more feed back! I know people are looking at this, good or bad hit me with it!

[Bottledbird68]

I approve. Although you suck cause you're really making me miss mine lol. Providing me renewed inspiration though :)
Hoping sometime next season.

[Buryingthesun]

I approve. Although you suck cause you're really making me miss mine lol. Providing me renewed inspiration though :)
Hoping sometime next season.

Thanks Matt, you car is going to be amazing once its done.

[68firebird]

Of course I like it!!!! looks like you have a couple imports on each side of ya in the black and white one, ever feel out of place hanging with dudes with imports?

[Buryingthesun]

Of course I like it!!!! looks like you have a couple imports on each side of ya in the black and white one, ever feel out of place hanging with dudes with imports?

I never feel out of place! I have a ton or respect for imports if assembled properly. Most of my buddy's race imports, Im involved with a 9 second 1/4 miles honda and a few road race hondas/nissans so im never out of place. Best part was when I rolled into teh car meet and parked all the import kids came over and started snapping pics of my car lol

[68firebird]

Hahaha, thats cool! I've gone as a spectator to a couple import shows here in RI. See alot of nice stuff!! I'm a big fan of the STI's.

[68400BIRD]

Nice stance, the wheels look great on there.

[Stoker420]

My ugly head is in this picture

Dam you are ugly

[Buryingthesun]

Dam you are ugly

I know :(

[AusMarty]

Awww, that's just mean.

Personally I thought he only just looked gross.

XD

[captainofiron]

Thank you so much! everything I get positive or negative for feed back is inspirational for me! I wish I could spend the money and do everything I want up front but that's just not in my deck of cards. This is a functioning project, So as I build it I'm still going to be driving it (aside from cage and paint of course)


I would love to hear some more feed back! I know people are looking at this, good or bad hit me with it!

yea man looks great.

as far as building it while you drive it, always make sure you dont waste money by buying something at an intermediate level. I made that mistake in past projects and you end up either never getting the thing you initially wanted or spending twice as much

for example, lets say you want to put in a 12 bolt rear end, dont buy stuff for the 10 bolt you have already, just save up until you can get what you really want.

But really man, that stance/wheels/tires and color combo is just epic

[Buryingthesun]

yea man looks great.

as far as building it while you drive it, always make sure you dont waste money by buying something at an intermediate level. I made that mistake in past projects and you end up either never getting the thing you initially wanted or spending twice as much

for example, lets say you want to put in a 12 bolt rear end, dont buy stuff for the 10 bolt you have already, just save up until you can get what you really want.

But really man, that stance/wheels/tires and color combo is just epic

I ONLY mod the car as I can purchased the parts I want. I'm kinda regretting the QA1's based off what everyone's saying that they will leak. . . but I have yet to have an issue.

But the rear is not dropped yet until I can afford the rear set-up I want. Right now I need to do the brakes, So I can only boil one pot at a time.

[Stoker420]

my QA1's are still going strong after 10 years

too bad it rained out Sun I wanted to meet you check out your car, especially the front tire clearance

[Buryingthesun]

my QA1's are still going strong after 10 years

too bad it rained out Sun I wanted to meet you check out your car, especially the front tire clearance

I was actually in New Jersey @ Etown Sat and Sun, tossed a rod out of the motor on our drag car unfortunately. 4cyl Honda 2.0L 12.5:1cr and 35lbs of boost does that I guess lol

[captainofiron]

I ONLY mod the car as I can purchased the parts I want. I'm kinda regretting the QA1's based off what everyone's saying that they will leak. . . but I have yet to have an issue.

But the rear is not dropped yet until I can afford the rear set-up I want. Right now I need to do the brakes, So I can only boil one pot at a time.

good man!

[Buryingthesun]

good man!

I've built many things in my past where If I spent the money the first time I would have saved twice as much.

So this will be a slow and methodical build, Every mod I make has be thought over multiple times with substitutions.

[Buryingthesun]

Ok so now im playing with the idea of a C5 rear end, Cobra Diff, custom axles. . . I know this is a strange set-up but I really want IRS in my car

[captainofiron]

Ok so now im playing with the idea of a C5 rear end, Cobra Diff, custom axles. . . I know this is a strange set-up but I really want IRS in my car

I once saw a 67 Camaro with a 427, 6 speed and a C4 rear end, thing was BAD

definitely doable, look at Detroit speeds rear coil set up, Im sure you can get some ideas on how to get it in there

[Buryingthesun]

I once saw a 67 Camaro with a 427, 6 speed and a C4 rear end, thing was BAD

definitely doable, look at Detroit speeds rear coil set up, Im sure you can get some ideas on how to get it in there

Well here is the thing, I know for a fact that I can design and fabricate what I want. but its on a poor mans budget! so It will come, just might take some time. I got the idea from a rear IRS set-up thats completely weld-in with a cantilever suspension set-up. It was really trick but I cant go dropping 10k for something I can build for 2k (not including prices for the penske shocks and so on)

[Bottledbird68]

Only issue with the c5 rear will be track width. The other issue of the transaxle would be solved with the cobra center. If you don't mind a small flare or the tires poking out a wee bit then you're cool. Unless you're not going to use the factory cradle and are going to shorten the half shafts.

[Buryingthesun]

Only issue with the c5 rear will be track width. The other issue of the transaxle would be solved with the cobra center. If you don't mind a small flare or the tires poking out a wee bit then you're cool. Unless you're not going to use the factory cradle and are going to shorten the half shafts.

If I can manage to get it all to work dimensional wise, then I have no problem doing a pull/flare on the rears. The only reason for the cobra

[Bottledbird68]

Honestly I didn't even know the cobra diff would bolt in. If I had thought of that I probably would have kept mine lol. Ah well. Dimensionally if you use c5 offset wheels you'll be about 3/8" past the lip on both sides. Nothing a slight pull can't take care of if need be. Or just leave it.
I've done lots of research and measuring on this one ;)

[Buryingthesun]

Honestly I didn't even know the cobra diff would bolt in. If I had thought of that I probably would have kept mine lol. Ah well. Dimensionally if you use c5 offset wheels you'll be about 3/8" past the lip on both sides. Nothing a slight pull can't take care of if need be. Or just leave it.
I've done lots of research and measuring on this one ;)

I don't think the cobra diff will just "bolt in" but whats a little time fabricating?

[Bottledbird68]

Then why use the cobra diff? There people that make a 9" center for irs set ups. Food for thought ;)

[AusBird]

Just read through this whole thread mate!
Have to agree with Bottledbird though, why not go a 9 Inch set up ?

[Buryingthesun]

Just read through this whole thread mate!
Have to agree with Bottledbird though, why not go a 9 Inch set up ?

Im not positive where im going just yet, its going to be in 2014 before I can even get to the rear end on this car. I want to finish the brakes first then start working on chassis and body

[rickpaw]

Check out this guy's build thread over at lateral-g. He put in a C5 front/c4 rear suspension in his 67 camaro.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=16169&highlight=beach+cruiser

[Buryingthesun]

Check out this guy's build thread over at lateral-g. He put in a C5 front/c4 rear suspension in his 67 camaro.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=16169&highlight=beach+cruiser

I like the concept but the axles seem stupid to me. . . I mean they are driveshafts

[Buryingthesun]

Quick update, I have the car up in the air (jack stands WHEEEEEE*)

started pulling the front end suspension apart, getting ready to install the brakes but ive had a change of heart and I think im going to get a tru turn system before it goes back together

[Buryingthesun]

Alright, it's mid winter I've just started to tear down for updated parts. Ridetech upper control arms, Ridetech spindles, Ridetech tru-turn, and Wilwood front brakes.

With the teardown came the inevitable, I knew this car was not a perfect canvas that's why I'm ok with modding a matching numbers car. The inner fenders were shot, rotted and crusty. So new inner fenders are needed, the fenders themself were not half bad, but the fender extensions were both rotted and bondo'd at one point. So I will be replacing the front valance, fender extensions and passenger fender due to rot damage from the inner fender and fender extension.

[Buryingthesun]

I forgot to post the pictures (sorry all cellphone pics)

Obviously I'm going to keep tearing it down more, all parts will be cleaned up properly and powder coated or painted before re-installation. Don't forget i'm not a high dollar speed shop, just a 28 year old guy in his garage with some spare time and money to make this happen.

[Buryingthesun]

Now one fun little experiment I'm going to try is using my factory LCA's with the Ridetech spindles. Ridetech's website states you need to run the Strong Arms or equivalent aftermarket arms, the way I see it according to Ridetechs page the lower half of the spindle is the same (dimensional wise for mounting locations) So All I need to run are aftermarket upper arms because of the spindle height change, not a big deal i intended on swapping them out anyways. I'm not doing this to be a cheap skate, I'm doing this because I have already rebuilt the LCA's with delrin bushing, new ball joints and had them powder coated. Either way I feel it should work out ok.

[Buryingthesun]

Ordered a 69' Camaro front lower valance today and both fender extensions. I will have a nice trick for the lower valance, I've seen some people use the directional holes for fog lights or running lights. . . I have a more race inspired idea for mine. I also ordered a new radiator core support while I was at it from NPD.

Next on the list is a set of new fenders and inner fenders, but I also have an idea floating in my head for the inner fenders. In the mean time I will be pulling the rest of the suspension out and prepping to install all the new suspension and braking components.

[Buryingthesun]

Picked up an Edelbrock performer intake manifold and a QFT 650 carb today, not looking for big power out of this motor but this should give it some more pep while I build a big boy motor.

[Ben@SpeedTech]

Progress is a good thing!

Couple thoughts-

From the point of view of a manufacturer of suspension parts, you may want to double check and see why they recommend you "can't" use your lowers, sometimes it's just a small thing that could goof up the way the car drives or handles if not all the right parts are used. Getting their input may help you make the final decision, whatever that may be.

You're really getting into the tear down, are you going to pull the subframe? I've done this with all my Novas, it's really not that hard and allows you to clean, media blast, paint or powder coat it. You can also add solid bushings while you're in there. I see your front frame to body mount looks terrible, the others are likely just as bad. Here's a link to insight on why you want to change your bushings out, Speedtech Solid Bushings (http://www.speedtechperformance.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=18/category_id=23/home_id=-1/mode=prod/prd18.htm).

You can pull the frame with the engine and trans attached, if you leave the suspension on it'll roll out from under the car with a floor jack under the tranny mount. Having it out makes it super easy to disassemble it the rest of the way. This also gives you total access to the entire firewall for cleaning/ smoothing/ repairing/ painting, repairing wiring, etc.

For the budget minded, a cheap alternative to powder coat is what I did to my wagon's frame- I had it sand blasted then applied a coat of Por15 base. There is a window of time that you can then spray paint it for a strong bond between materials and the final product comes out nice and super durable. I top coated it with about 3 coats of Rustoleum rattle can Semi Gloss. After a year of daily driving it still looks great. Other options are frame paints from Eastwood and such.

Keep the progress rolling!!

[Buryingthesun]

Progress is a good thing!

Couple thoughts-

From the point of view of a manufacturer of suspension parts, you may want to double check and see why they recommend you "can't" use your lowers, sometimes it's just a small thing that could goof up the way the car drives or handles if not all the right parts are used. Getting their input may help you make the final decision, whatever that may be.

You're really getting into the tear down, are you going to pull the subframe? I've done this with all my Novas, it's really not that hard and allows you to clean, media blast, paint or powder coat it. You can also add solid bushings while you're in there. I see your front frame to body mount looks terrible, the others are likely just as bad. Here's a link to insight on why you want to change your bushings out, Speedtech Solid Bushings (http://www.speedtechperformance.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=18/category_id=23/home_id=-1/mode=prod/prd18.htm).

You can pull the frame with the engine and trans attached, if you leave the suspension on it'll roll out from under the car with a floor jack under the tranny mount. Having it out makes it super easy to disassemble it the rest of the way. This also gives you total access to the entire firewall for cleaning/ smoothing/ repairing/ painting, repairing wiring, etc.

For the budget minded, a cheap alternative to powder coat is what I did to my wagon's frame- I had it sand blasted then applied a coat of Por15 base. There is a window of time that you can then spray paint it for a strong bond between materials and the final product comes out nice and super durable. I top coated it with about 3 coats of Rustoleum rattle can Semi Gloss. After a year of daily driving it still looks great. Other options are frame paints from Eastwood and such.

Keep the progress rolling!!

Ben, thank you for your input! I completely intended on pulling the subframe to sandblast it and ass solid body mounts! I'm sure the shot mounts are a factor in poor handling. I was going to POR15 the frame and spray it in a booth with Imron polyurethane enamel. But before I can get to that step id like to stitch weld the frame and add some extra support gussets. I also need to incorporate a tow hook system for track use ( threaded eyelet hook of sorts)

As for the suspension parts, biased off the design of the new spindle and dimensions provided by Ridetech the factory LCA should have no interference issues. BUT this is all biased off math and not the actual product. Worse case scenario, I buy the correct LCA from Ridetech and be done with it.

Here is a question for you! I was looking at using the Speed Tech chicane conversion, Im thinking it is possible to adapt my QA1 coilovers to function with the system? It would be great to just add a hyme joint's to the top of my coilovers and run the weld in parts from the kit.

[Buryingthesun]

Just to elaborate a little further on the LCA's versus the new spindles, here is a picture showing the two separate spindles and how the lower balljoint location is not changed. That's really my only reasoning why a factory LCA should work. . . For all I know it wont, but im still going to try ;)

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