BMW rims for 69 camaro

[BCHALK22]

Hey guys I have been reading up on BMW rims and was wondering what u think about these wheels. I know i will need adapters and hubcentric rings. Let me know if you have any photos of the rims on any camaros. Also any other details that i need to know to get these wheels to work. thanks. heres the CL link. They are off of an 03 5 series. What size spacers should I get? I have used the search option but its a bit confusing to me.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/pts/3077593483.html

[19,69camaro]

Those are alright but imo M-parallel's on a 69 camaro look way better

[68firebird]

I can't help with any info, but those are nice lookin rims.

[evostilo]

Wheels are okay but if you keep looking for a while i bet u can find real nice 2pc or 3pc BMW wheels with tires for around that price, I have BMW 2002 M5 wheels on my camaro and i didnt need any spacers up (20x8.5") front and in the rear (20x10.5) im running 1.25" spacers. It is incredibaly easy to fit BMW wheels on older chevys and realy cheap too!

[lucky13firebird]

m5 wheels work without adapters, m3 wheels need 1" adapters. I have bmw wheels on my firebird.

m5 wheels have +10mm offset, and m3 wheels have +32mm offset and are no good.

but on ebay try looking for a set of m5 wheels for 379 or best offer in 18" staggered....

offer him 300 and for 450 it'll be to your door.....

[BCHALK22]

Thanks for the advise. I read all the threads relating to BMW wheels and everyone has different opinions on running them. I plan to auto x but for now they are just to look good on a budget. I looked at the M parallels and like the look but was looking for something a bit different. lucky13 i will look up the ebay auction on those wheels and see how i like them. what size tires are u running?

[BrianP]

You should at this thread https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?90050-Lost-a-wheel-on-the-freeway-today-help-me-find-a-cheap-replacement-set! if you're thinking of running BMW wheels on a chevy bolt pattern car. See post #4.

[lucky13firebird]

my tires are small, 235/40r18 fronts and 245/40r18 back. going bigger on the back later, theres room for it.

[68firebird]

You should at this thread (http://https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?90050-Lost-a-wheel-on-the-freeway-today-help-me-find-a-cheap-replacement-set!) if you're thinking of running BMW wheels on a chevy bolt pattern car. See post #4.


the link to that thread isn't loading Brian.

[vintageracer]

Just remember that wheels/tires are the MOST important upgrade in appearance and possibly performance on your car. Before you "settle" for wheels that need adapters AND have fitment issues there are lot's of BMW like appearing aftermarket wheels that may not need a "band aid" to fit your car.

[DarkoNova]

You should at this thread https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?90050-Lost-a-wheel-on-the-freeway-today-help-me-find-a-cheap-replacement-set! if you're thinking of running BMW wheels on a chevy bolt pattern car. See post #4.

Yup.

5 or 7 series wheels have a more proper offset for our cars, so with hubcentric rings everything should be ok. Do NOT run them without adapters or at the very least, hubcentric rings. I honestly don't know how it happened seeing as my engine isn't all that powerful (450-500hp at the crank), the axles (and studs) were only a few months old, and I was just cruising down the freeway. Apparently that .65mm makes a massive difference.

[gasfumes]

19 * 8.5 front 19 * 10 rear

Wheels came off 5 series Bmw

[BCHALK22]

Gasfumes those wheels look sick on the car man. Also I will for sure be running adapters from what I am reading on the forum. The search forum is great but there is sometimes too much for me to take in. I am also reading that the aftermarket eBay wheels are bad and not to buy them so I think I will continue to read but I will most definitely be doing this the safe way since no looks are worth risking my safety.

[dhutton]

Yup.

5 or 7 series wheels have a more proper offset for our cars, so with hubcentric rings everything should be ok. Do NOT run them without adapters or at the very least, hubcentric rings. I honestly don't know how it happened seeing as my engine isn't all that powerful (450-500hp at the crank), the axles (and studs) were only a few months old, and I was just cruising down the freeway. Apparently that .65mm makes a massive difference.

I think it happened because you were not using hubcentric rings. The wheels studs carry a higher load under that condition.

[touronhold72]

Man, you hella faulty. Time to sell that thing and buy a Chevelle.

[BCHALK22]

Lol. Nah if I had a Chevelle I may end up like you and it would never leave the garage.

[lucky13firebird]

just to put my 2 cents in though..... My bmw wheels have been on there for almost a year.... thats about 15k miles for me, and there have been no issues.

[jpgolf14]

Apparently that .65mm makes a massive difference.

Yup. It makes a huge difference. A wheel stud is designed to take the tensile load of torquing it down straight into the lug seat of the wheel. If the lug seat is now in the wrong position (BMW wheels) the lug still finds its way into the seat but by doing so it has to bend the wheel stud. This bending load significantly drops the remaining strength in the stud.

Also the studs do not take a shearing load. The friction produced between the wheel and the rotor is what takes the shear. The studs and lugs purpose is to put enough clamping load into the joint to create enough friction to handle the load. So I really don't see how hub centric rings is going to help this situation. The stud is still taking the bending.

John

[jpgolf14]

just to put my 2 cents in though..... My bmw wheels have been on there for almost a year.... thats about 15k miles for me, and there have been no issues.

And how much do you value your Firebird? More or less than the cost to re-drill the lug seats in the correct location? Yesterday's success is no indication of tomorrow's success.

[dhutton]

[QUOTE=jpgolf14;915799
Also the studs do not take a shearing load. The friction produced between the wheel and the rotor is what takes the shear. The studs and lugs purpose is to put enough clamping load into the joint to create enough friction to handle the load. So I really don't see how hub centric rings is going to help this situation. The stud is still taking the bending.

John[/QUOTE]

That is interesting. A little digging around with Google finds a lot of debate on this. I see what you are saying and it makes sense. I'm still going to keep using my hubcentric rings though. Can't hurt and it they don't cost much.

Thanks for posting.

[DarkoNova]

I think it happened because you were not using hubcentric rings. The wheels studs carry a higher load under that condition.

Most likely, but I'm still confused because...


just to put my 2 cents in though..... My bmw wheels have been on there for almost a year.... thats about 15k miles for me, and there have been no issues.

...I've had the M3 wheels on my car for a good 3-4 years, with lots of hard driving and never had any problems. Then I destroyed the rear end, had it rebuilt, and within a few months I manage to snap all 5 studs on one axle and lose a wheel...

Seems kind of strange...

Apparently 40 year old OEM axles and studs are stronger than brand new Moser units?

[jpgolf14]

That is interesting. A little digging around with Google finds a lot of debate on this. I see what you are saying and it makes sense. I'm still going to keep using my hubcentric rings though. Can't hurt and it they don't cost much.

Thanks for posting.

No problem. I am a mechanical engineer by trade and sometimes find myself designing bolted joints. Its a big no-no to put bolts in bending. So I'm not real sure what the debate is? Care to share a link, I would like to read it.

[dhutton]

No problem. I am a mechanical engineer by trade and sometimes find myself designing bolted joints. Its a big no-no to put bolts in bending. So I'm not real sure what the debate is? Care to share a link, I would like to read it.

The debate was not about the bending of the bolts, it was about whether the hub with hubcentric wheels carries any of the load.

This subject of BMW wheels has been discussed here before:

https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?50804-BMW-Wheel-using-4-75-quot-Bolt-Pattern-Hubs-Discussion

[jpgolf14]

The debate was not about the bending of the bolts, it was about whether the hub with hubcentric wheels carries any of the load.

This subject of BMW wheels has been discussed here before:

https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?50804-BMW-Wheel-using-4-75-quot-Bolt-Pattern-Hubs-Discussion

I see. The hub on a hub centic setup does NOT carry the load. The load is carried by the friction between the wheel and rotor. Then that load is carried by the friction between the rotor and hub, and so on a so forth. That friction is created by the normal force on the joint created by the tension in the stud. The hub merely acts to accurately locate the wheel on the hub. This is important in this case because the lug nuts cannot properly locate the wheel since the bolt pattern is wrong.

[DarkoNova]

So then lugcentric wheels are still safe if properly torqued?

Are hubcentric rings ever really necessary?

[jpgolf14]

So then lugcentric wheels are still safe if properly torqued?

Are hubcentric rings ever really necessary?

Only if the wheels are the same bolt pattern as the studs.

[dhutton]

So then lugcentric wheels are still safe if properly torqued?

Are hubcentric rings ever really necessary?

Hubcentric rings are cheap insurance. You can get them on ebay for $20. Why take the risk?

[Buryingthesun]

I put a set of 18" 5-Series wheels on my firebird once. . . I didnt like it at all lol

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

[jpgolf14]

Hubcentric rings are cheap insurance. You can get them on ebay for $20. Why take the risk?

Thats great as long as they are built well. Do you have a link? I like these guys.

http://www.motorsport-tech.com/

They are certainly more than $20 but they are very accomodating on custom touches.

[dhutton]

Thats great as long as they are built well. Do you have a link? I like these guys.

http://www.motorsport-tech.com/

They are certainly more than $20 but they are very accomodating on custom touches.

I think you are referring to adaptors/spacers where the backspacing is not correct. The rings I am referring to are simply a donut spacer that compensates for the difference in hub bore. Here is an example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/72-6-70-7-Metal-Hubcentric-Hub-Centric-Rings-Ring-Set-Aftermarket-Wheels-Rims-/310381695752?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item484430d308&vxp=mtr

You will like the disclaimer...

[jpgolf14]

I think you are referring to adaptors/spacers where the backspacing is not correct. The rings I am referring to are simply a donut spacer that compensates for the difference in hub bore. Here is an example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/72-6-70-7-Metal-Hubcentric-Hub-Centric-Rings-Ring-Set-Aftermarket-Wheels-Rims-/310381695752?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item484430d308&vxp=mtr

You will like the disclaimer...

No I understand what a hub ring is. Motorsport Tech offers Rings, Spacers, Adapter. Custom built to your specs.

For example I just ordered a set of spacers for a car. I was able to specify:

Hub centric diameter
Wheel centric diameter
Wheel centric depth
Wheel centric chamfer
Bolt pattern
Bolt hole size
Spacer Thickness
Lightening holes, quantity and diameter
Overall diameter
Anodized

Basically totally custom.

I honestly don't see how those guys can sell rings for $20. A chunk of aluminum big enough to make those rings is easily over $20 right there.

Do they start with a rough casting and machine from there? (not forged)
What is the grade of aluminum?

[dhutton]

No I understand what a hub ring is. Motorsport Tech offers Rings, Spacers, Adapter. Custom built to your specs.

I honestly don't see how those guys can sell rings for $20. A chunk of aluminum big enough to make those rings is easily over $20 right there.

Do they start with a rough casting and machine from there? (not forged)
What is the grade of aluminum?

I see hubcentric rings on that site for $25-35 and even less in plastic which is not that far from $20 depending on the volumes they sell. They do not specify the grade of aluminum used.

[jpgolf14]

It is stupid how little they change for the rings. I wonder if they buy the stock in tube format. And it is also stupid that they even offer plastic.

It clearly states on their website that they use 6061 T6. Which is a pretty decent average modulus aluminum. And it is fairly corrosion resistant. This is forged aluminum.