2nd gen brake kits?

[formula]

so i know project g/28 is running a baer kit, and they seem to be pretty durn impressive....but i hear baer has a looooot of trouble with orders.

are there any good alternative brake upgrade/conversion kits for 2nd gen f-bodies?

[yody]

http://geocities.com/codybouc/caliperpage.html

[graycamaro]

If your looking to go a more inexpensive route and have better parts availabililty then get the spindles of of a b-body car with 12 in rotors, Cop cars, Wagons, and alot of other packages came with these. Then to retain the 5 on 4 3/4 bolt pattern use a rotor off of a 1LE packaged 3rd gen camaro. I am not sure if they use the same wheel bearings or not but I am sure that this will work because it is a very comon modification amongst the 2nd gen guys.

There is a write up somewhere on doing this check some of the 2nd gen sites.

hope this help James

[Blue70]

I don't know what you are looking for, but I am running 95 Z28 rear disks on my 70, it's probably the cheapest route.

[72SSAbody]

Take a look at my website. You can do the swap for half the price that Baer charges.

www.geocities.com/diels12000/BrakesII.html

[BLUE72CAMARO]

Wilwood offers kits for the secong gens to. I have 12" rotors all the way around from them.

[TLWiltman]

Call Hot Rods to Hell @ (818)842-4360

They offer a 13" wilwood setup using the SL-6 caliper.

[rickk]

go with wilwood 100% . take a look at my camaro go to www.martzchassis.net (http://www.martzchassis.net) 73 camaro z28 / rs .

thanks rick kirkindall

[formula]

rick, i know your car well lol i've worn out the pages of that issue of PHR. your car and sw's TA are my two biggest inspirations, and your car is the reason i've decided to leave mine white.

13" :seizure: that's a serious brake! i will def have to give them a call...

[yody]

again check out my page;
http://geocities.com/codybouc/caliperpage.html
these are 13" brakes and will cost you about $6-800 depending on what you do

[David Sloan]

Hey Cody!!
Are you running the alum.hubs and are they the same as the 3rd gen camaro hubs.
I would really like to get a set if they are the same!
Thanks!

[MikeDVC]

Formula,

Regarding rear brakes for 2nd Gen., I researched every kit I came acrossed. I finally decided on the 93-97 z28 set-up, although I haven't gotten a chance to install it yet. My nephew has a 97 z28, so I was able to check out his factory system, looks pretty easy to install.

I found an all new factory set-up (rotors, calibers, pads, hoses, no cables) on ebay.

Check out http://www.geocities.com/torkerscamaro/torker.html, for install instructions. Note, there are several ways to go about the install, (move shocks, modify brackets), I'm going with two RH set-ups as in the website above.

[JoshStratton]

Formula,
You have a PM

[Blue70]

Formula,
I'm going with two RH set-ups as in the website above.

I hope you have better luck than I did with the two RH brackets.
That idea would not work at all on my 70 Camaro. I had to get creative to make it work :headbang:

What are your plans for fronts and master cylinder?

If you need I can get the part number of the adapter I used to go from 3/16" brake line with a flair to the rubber 4th gen brake line comming off the calipers..

[MikeDVC]

Blue70,

I think I read some of your postings on this site and another one, did you weld the bolt holes on the mountng bracket, then reindex them? Thought about doing that if I had trouble. Seems like to biggest problem is dealing with the driver side emer. brake lever on the caliber.

Was thinking of using the new master cly. from CPP http://www.classicperform.com/NewProducts/MCPV-1.htm. It's supposed to be available this month. If not I guess the s10 or corvette factory one others are using. What are you using?

As for the fronts, not sure. I have ssbc rotors and pads, ss flex lines, and just put on factory calibers for now. Was thinking of ssbc force 10 2 piston, but I haven't heard much good feedback on those. I have 16" wheels so my choices are limited.

Please send me the adapter part number, if you don't mind. Also, I may pm later if I have trouble. I've checked out your website several times, like the mods you've made to your 70. Especially like the dash/gauges

[Blue70]

Ya, I just welded and redrilled. I used the old backing plate as a pattern.

I am using the 1968-1976 Corvette manual four-wheel disc-brake master cylinder with good results, but if you change your front calipers that could throw everything off.

The adapter is Edelmann part number 271300
I got mine at CarQuest for $2.51 each
Other chains should have or be able to cross the number for you. :icon996:

[MikeDVC]

Thanks for the info.

I'm also running manual brakes, are you using stock front disc brakes? If so what do you think?

[formula]

again check out my page;
http://geocities.com/codybouc/caliperpage.html
these are 13" brakes and will cost you about $6-800 depending on what you do

i didnt realize vette brakes were that serious. way cool stuff....what about the backs though?

[Blue70]

Thanks for the info.

I'm also running manual brakes, are you using stock front disc brakes? If so what do you think?


Yes I still have stocks in the front.

It's been almost 2 months now and I have yet to do some high speed stops and dial in the proportioning valve. Once I do I will throw the GTech in it and see what I get for stopping distances. They do feel good now though.

[Lesrace82]

How hard is it going to be to find aftermarket pads in the future? Id hate to spend a bunch of money on a set of brakes and not be able to get a pad for it down the raod.

[Jeremy]

I am running Wilwood GMIII calipers on my TA on the front and rear. I used the metrics for the rear and everything was a pure bolt on. The calipers also have the rubber o rings to keep rattling down.

I got mine from Precision Brakes with all new stainless lines for a little over $600. For four calipers and five lines, I thought this was fair. I also like that I can use any pad that fits the GM calipers.

The calipers were also just under 6 pounds lighter than the factory ones which helped ride a bit as well.

I have ran them for a month or so now and am very pleased with them. The brake pedal is very linear and in hard street driving I have not been able to get them to fade. I wish I had an infrared thermometer to see the temp difference between the caliper and rotor. After the last bit of hard driving, I reached in the wheel and the rotor was radiating so much heat that I didn't want to touch it, but I could hold the caliper for a few seconds before it got uncomfortable. Not very scientific, but it confirmed that the AL was shedding heat faster than a cast iron caliper would.

I also like that if I choose to go with the 1LE conversion at some point, I can use the same caliper. For just a caliper upgrade, I think it is worth a look.

[WS6]

dont forget your brake choice does affect your wheel choices. you must have a 17" wheel in order to clear C5 or 13 in rotors and not all 17in wheels will work. just a reminder.

[LTorres]

Here is a pic with the GNIII calipers for our Second Gen F-Body kit that may work out for you.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

This kit utilizes a 14" rotor with GNIII calipers. Cost varies quite a bit from 4 to 6 piston. Keep in mind that because your came stock with such a large piston area that actually providing an upgrade for some GM vehicles can be difficult. I would suggest you get a comparison sheet over O.E. to see the difference's in effectiveness in both Brake Torque and Clamping Force. I can provide this for you to show the differences

There are other options in the Custom Realm should wheel size be a factor. What wheel diameter are you running? Maybe to have us Custom build you a kit to your specifications with our recommendations would be best?

Sorry about the size of the picture. I have to figure out how to make these smaller.


Laramie Torres
Precision Brakes Company
Sales Manager
1 866 992 7253
mailto:[email protected] ([email protected])
www.precisionbrakes.com (http://www.precisionbrakes.com/)
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[yody]

what are those big holes for? what do they do? what kind of calipers are they?

[LTorres]

Yody,
Since the mass of the 14" rotor is so much the 1" diameter holes are there for weight reduction. The calipers are the Wilwood GNIII calipers. We only use Wilwood calipers in our upgrades. I just think that we may be able to help you with the best possible pricing and maybe even produce a kit (to your specs) that has not ever before been seen on the 2nd Gen.

Here is a picture of the GNIII caliper by itself.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

LTorres


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[formula]

wow, that would be very sweet.


right now i'm running the original 15" wheels but i don't plan on keeping them. however, i haven't decided if i want to go 17 or 18 yet. would those 14 inch rotors fit behind a 17 inch wheel safely? and would you be able to help me source the rest of the braking system? (i hear stock drum rear stuff provides insufficient pressure for proper operation)

[LTorres]

wow, that would be very sweet.


right now i'm running the original 15" wheels but i don't plan on keeping them. however, i haven't decided if i want to go 17 or 18 yet. would those 14 inch rotors fit behind a 17 inch wheel safely? and would you be able to help me source the rest of the braking system? (i hear stock drum rear stuff provides insufficient pressure for proper operation)


Surely I could provide you with every brake part you need. If you end up with 17's this kit will not work behind them. You would have to use at least and 18" wheel or larger before you could even consider using this 14" kit. If you want to run 17's I would suggest using the 12.19" rear kit or having us Custom Build you a rear 13" kit depending on what goes up front.

[Lowend]

LTorres
Do you have any templates to measure wheel clearance?
I am running 16x10" wheels and need to stay there for my class (CP). That kit looks pretty sweet but I have doubts about the fitment

[LTorres]

LTorres
Do you have any templates to measure wheel clearance?
I am running 16x10" wheels and need to stay there for my class (CP). That kit looks pretty sweet but I have doubts about the fitment

I could provide you the template.. Send me a PM and I will reply with the template. However I can tell you right now that it will not clear with a 16" wheel. You'd need at least an 18" wheel.

Just a general rule of thumb with our kits, we like to see a minimum of 4" between the max rotor diameter and the wheel diameter.

For instance:
12" rotor= 16" wheels or bigger
13" rotor= 17" wheels or bigger
14" rotor= 18" wheels or bigger
(There are some exceptions to this but as a general rule of thumb if you stick to this your on pretty safe ground)

[LTorres]

LTorres
Do you have any templates to measure wheel clearance?
I am running 16x10" wheels and need to stay there for my class (CP). That kit looks pretty sweet but I have doubts about the fitment

You should consider going with this kit..Unless you already have it.

140-8582 12.19" 2pce rotors, 4 piston calipers, pads, bracket's, hardware, billet aluminum hubs (probably one of the finest looking hubs you'll ever set eyes on IMO). Instrux + 2 Stainless Steel Braided lines.

This would most likely clear your 16's and is relatively inexpensive.

[79T/Aman]

the 12.19 rotor with a superlite IIA caliper almost fit inside my 15" only needed about 1/8" to work but got 17"s and that solved the problem

[BMullin]

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif
GNIII Caliper

[yody]

Do you guys have 14" C5 rotors?

[LTorres]

Do you guys have 14" C5 rotors?

Yody,
We do indeed. They are available in Plain, Drilled, Slotted, or Drilled and Slotted. What are you working on?

[Lesrace82]

You should consider going with this kit..Unless you already have it.

140-8582 12.19" 2pce rotors, 4 piston calipers, pads, bracket's, hardware, billet aluminum hubs (probably one of the finest looking hubs you'll ever set eyes on IMO). Instrux + 2 Stainless Steel Braided lines.

This would most likely clear your 16's and is relatively inexpensive.

How much do you get for a kit as mentioned above?

[79T/Aman]

shop made wilwood stock car 12.190X1.250 superlit II calipers about $800

[yody]

working on my 71 firebird that already has the C5 brake setup on it, thinking of making myself some new adapter brackets and runnign a 14" rotor since my wheels are 19's and the 13" rotors look weenie, how much for drilled/slotted?

[LTorres]

How much do you get for a kit as mentioned above?

140-8582 12.19" 2pce rotors, 4 piston calipers, pads, bracket's, hardware, billet aluminum hubs (probably one of the finest looking hubs you'll ever set eyes on IMO). Instrux + 2 Stainless Steel Braided lines.


$701.88 and of course Free shipping and a 6 pack of 12 oz bottles of 570 Wilwood brake fluid from the PT board.

[LTorres]

working on my 71 firebird that already has the C5 brake setup on it, thinking of making myself some new adapter brackets and runnign a 14" rotor since my wheels are 19's and the 13" rotors look weenie, how much for drilled/slotted?

Don't know if you already have hats but your cost on the rotors would be. $275.00 each for the ones pictured above.

Hats would vary depending on mounting bolt circle. Should they be 8 on 7.00 you'll save mucho $$ (around $110.00 each.) The 12 on 9.62" circle hats are very expensive(around $350-450 each!).

[yody]

Well looks like I'll be sticking with 13" rotors.....$770!!! man those things get expensive in a hurry,

[79T/Aman]

THAT f@#%ing cheap! how much for just the hubs? and are they equal to the stock hub less rotor? I made my hubs by cuting off the rotor from the stock hub I was going to get a set from vette brakes.

[yody]

yeah, i agree $700 for that brake kit is super cheap! but $700+ plus for a set of rotors.......(not saying you guys are expensive, just that 14" rotors are!!)

[79T/Aman]

yah! $700 for just rotors that's abit much but if that's what that set costs than that's what it is IMHO you could run13" and have as good a set up ( not saying there are no advantages to the 14" ).

[MrQuick]

especially if rotors are considered a wear item in my book. I like the $40-80 range.

[yody]

you and your "wear item" don't get me started !!! :)

[MrQuick]

:hah: i got your wear item right here... dont worry I can get drilled and slotted set for $40

[yody]

Okay, prove it, show us the pudding!

[jeffandre]

I may need 14-15" rotors to balance my brake system out so if anybody knows of any that don't cost an arm and a leg speak up.

Vince and Cody are cracking me up lately, we missed Cody!

[79T/Aman]

try Colman.

[LTorres]

yeah, i agree $700 for that brake kit is super cheap! but $700+ plus for a set of rotors.......(not saying you guys are expensive, just that 14" rotors are!!)


Yody,
I agree with you too..Even the Wilwood rotors jobber at around $326.00 each (ouch) Just do the 13's.
About the only thing in a 14" diameter I could give you for less would be a set of paper plates (yeah the kind you eat on)//totally kidding :hammer:

[72SSAbody]

If you want 14" rotors head down to GM and ask for the part numbers for a '05-'06 Z51 RPO from a C6.

[Q ship]

If you want 14" rotors head down to GM and ask for the part numbers for a '05-'06 Z51 RPO from a C6.
We would need brackets then, wouldn't we Joe? :poke:

I haven't written you in a long time, my setup is still sitting on the shelf. Soon, I hope......

[72SSAbody]

I could be wrong as I haven't tried this out yet, but I'm guessing GM just redesigned the abutment to space it out radially for the 14" rotor.

This is just a guess and needs to be confirmed though.

[yody]

so all C6's have 14" rotors? wouldn't the rotor also be a little thinner since its bigger? also did they get bigger rotors on the rear also?

[72SSAbody]

so all C6's have 14" rotors? wouldn't the rotor also be a little thinner since its bigger? also did they get bigger rotors on the rear also?

No, not all C6's have 14 inchers. Just the ones with the RPO Z51.

Why would they need to be thinner if the diameter is bigger? :confused:

Not sure about the rears. Remember, the fronts do about 70-80 percent of your braking force due to weight transfer increasing your normal force to the tires.

Joe

[Ralph LoGrasso]

Joe,

Do you know the thickness on the 14" rotors? 1.10? Just curious. I didn't realize any C6s besides the Z06 came with 14" rotors. Pretty cool to see GM do that. They're d/s though, right?

[WS6]

yes the Z51 rotors are drilled and slotted. the passenger side ones also have the cooling fins cast backwards. they only made one rotor design and it was for the drivers side. supposedly this wont affect the rotors on the passenger side. i have not heard if they changed that and started making rotors for the passenger side.

also are you sure the Z51 has 14" rotors? i thought they were 13" but drilled and slotted and only the Z06 was going to have 14" rotors.

[Q ship]

Official specs. (http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/specifications/) Click on the "braking" tab.

[72SSAbody]

Official specs. (http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/specifications/) Click on the "braking" tab.

:rolleyes5 Well, it looks like, from Brian's link, that they feature 13.4" rotors. That's what you get for not taking a closer look when you're at the GM dealership. :drool:

[yody]

yeah but they have 13" rotors in the rear, wonder if i could get them to work with my LS1 rear brake brackets/calipers/ebrake

[MrQuick]

Z06 features a 14". you were close. It gives you some good info.

Your car would look better with brakes that "fit"