1969 Camaro LSA project [Archive]

terrydmorgan

07-17-2011, 07:32 PM

johnny68

07-17-2011, 08:26 PM

nice build looks nice
john

pw2006

07-17-2011, 08:27 PM

That looks awesome! Looks like it could be the villain in a movie!

rocketrod

07-17-2011, 08:44 PM

Looks great! Did ou have to mod the transmission tunnel to get the 6L90 in?

terrydmorgan

07-17-2011, 08:54 PM

Thanks guys.

Rod, not yet, but when everything's bolted up tight, I'll probably need to. I see you're from Metamora. I live in Houston, TX now, but I grew up in Washington, and my neighbor lived in Germantown before moving here. Small world.
Terry

monteboy84

07-18-2011, 06:44 AM

Holy $#@%, looks awesome.

-matt

Ron.in.SoCal

07-18-2011, 08:02 AM

You're gonna love that motor! I drove a modded CTS-V recently and your car is even lighter than that. Watch out Bro...:)

Mr.VENGEANCE

07-18-2011, 08:05 AM

great engine and car combo!

cant go wrong with that!

even if the wheel choice is a little questionable... ahahah

terrydmorgan

07-18-2011, 09:36 AM

The wheels are my favorite part of the car (at least till I get the engine running).

Gandalf

07-18-2011, 10:24 AM

...eyes on this thread. Make it happen bro!

Motown 454

07-18-2011, 10:03 PM

Great engine combo. Its going to scream! We'll need to see progress pictures for sure. Very Nice.

RicerwannaB

07-19-2011, 07:33 PM

Nice and original! Love it!

terrydmorgan

07-25-2011, 06:06 AM

Tango68SS

07-25-2011, 09:55 AM

Totally sic engine tranny combo!! This '69 is gonna fly!! Good luck with the build!

evostilo

07-25-2011, 01:07 PM

First off WOW nice Eng/Trans combo, are thinking of running paddel shifters?

Second i had never heard of RODDOORS.com the got sum real nice stuff @ great prices, the home page says they are out of business do know if some one else is producing there stuff?

terrydmorgan

07-25-2011, 02:26 PM

Thanks guys.

I have a Pontiac G6 shifter, which gives me tap-up, tap-down, but I'll still probably put in paddle shifters.

I don't know if roddoors is still in business, or not.

I saw another site that has plywood panels cut to fit, but I can't find their site again.

CFster

07-25-2011, 03:00 PM

Wow! I'll be following this one for sure.

terrydmorgan

08-13-2011, 10:29 PM

Installed my Ring Brothers hood hinges today. These are a quality product.

SamHatco

08-14-2011, 05:56 AM

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My Fesler trunk hinges arrived and they looked great. Had to do an immediate install. But now the trunk looks even more unfinished in comparison to the hinges. I'm aware of a couple of kits for finishing the trunk (http://www.roddoors.com/pages/camaro.html and http://www.heartbeatcity.com/store/product/21890/Camaro-Trunk-lid-inner-cover--Custom--67-68-69/ ). Anyone have experience with these or others?

Roddoors is out of business. The trunk lid liner offered by Heartbeat City is a quality product You will like it. Here is a picture of mine I got from them.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/08/27994326171-1.jpg?1281212320

Great project. Where did you get your engine/tranny?

Sam

terrydmorgan

08-14-2011, 06:43 AM

Sam,
Thanks. Your trunk looks great. Is the rest of your trunk a kit?

I picked up the engine from a guy in Memphis via eBay. It was a factory replacement engine that was never installed. I picked up the transmission from a guy in California that is also installing an LSA motor, but he decided to go with a manual 6-speed instead. The tranny is from a CTS-V, so the tail/driveshaft connection is a little odd. Mark at Street & Performance swapped out the tail and output shaft so I could run a conventional yoke. The transmission mount was a little easier with the truck tail too.

SamHatco

08-14-2011, 07:35 AM

Thanks,

No I built it myself. Here is the write up https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?71251-69-Firebird-T-A-Trunk-Install&highlight=trunk

Sam

wrkcar

08-15-2011, 09:44 AM

Nice car. Good luck with your build.

Unit2

08-27-2011, 03:01 PM

I'm installing an LSA motor and 6L90 transmission in my 1969 Camaro. I Mounted the complete engine/transmission assembly into my TCI subframe and rolled the whole setup under my car today. Here's a few photos.
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I was checking out your install and wanted to see what you did with the oil pan, here is my 69with the same motor. The motor just clears and wanted to see how much clearnace you have under the car. What are you doing for the heat exchanger? 4887648875 not trying to steal your post just wanted to see what someone else is doing with a similar package.

terrydmorgan

08-27-2011, 03:48 PM

Currently, I have the oil pan from the CTS-V, but it's hanging a inch or so below the crossmember. I have a TCI front subframe, which give me plenty of room, but I may end up getting a shallower pan. I haven't installed heat exchanger for the supercharger yet, but Street & Performance offers a kit that looks like it will work.

I see you've modified the underside of your hood to accomodate the engine/supercharger. Can you share some details on that operation? I put my hood back on last week, but can't shut it all the way.

What did you do for the fuel system? I'm still trying to work mine out, but I'm leaning toward the VaporWorx setup.

Your car looks great.

terrydmorgan

08-27-2011, 04:34 PM

Redid my garage floor this morning.

ROACHZ28

08-27-2011, 08:07 PM

Looking good sir!

Motown 454

08-27-2011, 08:19 PM

Awesome build

jgpclone

08-27-2011, 11:23 PM

holly hell thats badass

Gandalf

08-28-2011, 06:32 AM

I was checking out your install and wanted to see what you did with the oil pan, here is my 69with the same motor. The motor just clears and wanted to see how much clearnace you have under the car. What are you doing for the heat exchanger? not trying to steal your post just wanted to see what someone else is doing with a similar package.

Sorry dude - can't just drop a single post here with a great looking project like that :fingersx:. Please consider posting a thread in the Project Updates section at least with some details and a few pictures for us to stare at? Doesn't have to be every step of the build but I for one would really like to know more about your car as much as I am going to follow this thread here. :twothumbs

Gregg

JAWSS

08-28-2011, 08:22 AM

That is a sick Camaro. Another TX guy too. Keep up the good work. I need to start digging into my Chevelle now.

creekwood08

08-31-2011, 01:56 PM

Very nice camaro. Love the color...what is it? What kinda tranny in a ctv-s?

terrydmorgan

08-31-2011, 06:17 PM

Very nice camaro. Love the color...what is it? What kinda tranny in a ctv-s?

Transmission is a 6-speed automatic (6L90).

Paint is from a 2006 Lexus - called Slate Gray, I believe.

Unit2

09-01-2011, 08:25 AM

I used the Aeroautomotive fuel pump and regulator. I ran 1/2 flex fuel line from the tank but you may want to run hard line. I found that the flex line, weeps fuel smell and you can smell it in the garage. You have to tap a hole in the super charger plenum and run a 1/8 ID hose to the fuel regulator so the regulator sees boost and compensates for the added pressure. Easy to take off and the the gasket is reuseable. I also ran by boost gauge off this hose. On the heat exchanger be careful on the size because trying to package the condensor, heat exchanger and trans cooler (if you have one) gets tight real quick and installing everything gets compicated. Plas add in the hoses and swing of the headlamp assembly and you will see what I mean. I used the heat exchanger from Magnuson which has worked out pretty good. As for under the hood i have a SS hood which has the added clearance that i needed, gets tight in there real quick so no mods were necessary. For those that want me to start my own post I will post but i want to talk with someone doing a similar type of project and this way we can share information this way.

Unit2

09-01-2011, 09:54 AM

devwil68

09-01-2011, 10:01 AM

that looks amazing!

terrydmorgan

09-01-2011, 10:50 AM

On the oil pan did you have to cut a section out and make room to clear the lower cross memeber? I am using the Hedits proG subframe and we had to do this to fit the motor. I tried to get a shallower pan but the ones i looked at all had the front portion of the pan too deep down, nothing was a shallow as the CTV pan at the front of the motor. Very tight to the steering rack. Which one did you look at? Here's few more images and to all reading i will post my own thread or you can check on LS forum on the same project Pioneer Camaro LSA. Talk to you soon.

No cutting necessary on my TCI subframe, as I have lots of room for the pan, and the rack is in front of the crossmember. Early in the project, I looked at the MAST oil pan and talked to them - they said it would fit my application, but you might give them a call. My son and I are also building a '69 Camaro for him with an LS1 motor in a factory sub-frame. Street & Performance cut down a late model Camaro pan for his application and it worked well for us. I'm not sure if it is any shallower than the CTS-V pan at the front though.

Your car looks great. Which transmission are you using - auto?

Unit2

09-01-2011, 03:58 PM

Looks like i misspoken on the subframe, we cut the oil pan to clear the subframe, no cutting of the subframe. I am using a 4L85 from Monster Transmission with a 1500 stall converter. I decided to go with a auto since the car has been going to events, Hot Rod Power Tour and the Car Craft Nationals the car gets transported on a trailer and i just do not trust the drivers to drive a a manual transmission on and off the transport. I am going to start a build thread on the car and I will list all the components in the vehicle. Thanks for the oil pan info i will look them up to see what they have to offer. Look for Pioneer Stage 3 Camaro RS SS LSA

BlackPearl

09-18-2011, 11:10 AM

Looking good Terry! Just waiting for my Harness to get back from S&P as it had a short somewhere. Should be on the road by next weekend, I hope..

BlackPearl

09-18-2011, 11:26 AM

I see that you're local. Would be nice to see your car as I'm almost done with mine after a paint staking year. Bob

Speedy911

09-18-2011, 12:33 PM

Great motor and transmission setup. Can't wait to see videos of it running.

BanditDave

09-18-2011, 01:08 PM

Where the hell is everyone finding these damn motors?!?!? Lololol...I gotta get into your secret society!

As for the fuel system. Give Carl Casanova a PM on this board...the Vaporworx set-up is his deal and he is one hell of a guy. He has no issue talking to you on the phone for hours helping you sort out your car. I am running a Rick's Tanks/Vaporworx set-up in my '69 442. Currently it is a 5th gen pump with a 4th gen regulator. Eventually it will be a CTS-V pump with Cal's PWM controller (just like how the actual CTS-V controls the pump).

It will be the last fuel system you will ever need for the car.

Awesome build guys!
Dave

terrydmorgan

01-10-2013, 08:19 PM

Replaced my CTS-V supercharger hat with a ZL1 hat. Easy mod - hat tip to Lou's Change.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/01/null1-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/01/null3-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2013/01/null4-1.jpg

buck19

01-11-2013, 05:14 PM

Nice looking build. We are currently building a 67 Corvette convertible with the LSA and 6L90e. We are upgrading the LSA to the 700HP range. Are you having your 6L90e upgraded? If so, who are you using to build it? What shifter are you going to use for tapup-tapdown? Lastly, why did you change the top hat to the ZL1 model?

terrydmorgan

01-11-2013, 09:38 PM

I am not upgrading the 6L90e for now, but I'll probably be staying closer to 600 hp. Street and performance modified a Pontiac G8 shifter for me. It's cable operated and has tap up/down. I also have a paddle shifter called ShrifteSixr from Twist Machine. The engine in the ZL1 Camaro is the same as the CTS-V engine that I have, but making it look like the more like the modern ZL1 seemed more appropriate. I got lots of questions about why I'd want to put a Cadillac engine in my Camaro. Plus, check out the build called "Lou's Change." they claim better performance because of more volume and better heat exchange with the ZL1 hat. Also, the coolant lines exit the front of the ZL1 hat, which should make routing the coolant lines a little easier.

Number1

04-16-2013, 05:44 PM

Any updates??????

cwylie

11-12-2014, 07:41 AM

Is anyone running a LSA with a stock subframe? What accessory drive is everyone using?

dhutton

11-12-2014, 07:45 AM

Is anyone running a LSA with a stock subframe? What accessory drive is everyone using?

Two options are Concept One and Street and Performance. Factory might work if you buy the upper AC relocation bracket that Southern Performance Systems sells. I am not aware of any other options.

Don

terrydmorgan

11-17-2014, 08:53 PM

Is anyone running a LSA with a stock subframe? What accessory drive is everyone using?

Street & Performance fixed me up, but I'm running a TCI subframe.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/11/subframe1-1.jpg (http://s1145.photobucket.com/user/TERRYDMORGAN/media/Terrys%201969%20Camaro/10%20Engine/subframe1.jpg.html)

Motown 454

11-22-2014, 06:01 PM

Terry do you have any pictures of what you did to the tunnel to make the 6L80 fit in there? Any pictures of the floor done?
Beautiful build.

terrydmorgan

11-22-2014, 07:00 PM

Wayne
I have a 6L90 and I haven't modified the floor,tunnel, at least yet. It's very tight, but it bolted up. I haven't started the engine yet, so I may still need to modify the tunnel. I recall seeing a post a year or so ago for a bolt-on tunnel mod that raises the top a bit.
Terry

,
Terry do you have any pictures of what you did to the tunnel to make the 6L80 fit in there? Any pictures of the floor done?
Beautiful build.

terrydmorgan

11-22-2014, 07:10 PM

Here's a pic from behind the tranny looking forward.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/11/DC6559BA739B433FAF209B1FDB1EDA23-1.jpg (http://s1145.photobucket.com/user/TERRYDMORGAN/media/Terrys%201969%20Camaro/9%20Front%20subframe/DC6559BA-739B-433F-AF20-9B1FDB1EDA23.jpg.html)

steery

11-22-2014, 08:24 PM

Is anyone running a LSA with a stock subframe? What accessory drive is everyone using?

I'm installing mine on a stock subframe. Using the accessory drive from an LS7 corvette. This superchevy article shows what I have

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/engines-drivetrain/1305-lsa-accessory-drive-kit/

steery

11-22-2014, 08:25 PM

I was originally going to use a 6l90 on mine but didn't want to have to cut the floor up so I changes to a 4l80. Looks like I may not have needed to!

sheck44

11-23-2014, 03:32 AM

I'm installing mine on a stock subframe. Using the accessory drive from an LS7 corvette. This superchevy article shows what I have

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/engines-drivetrain/1305-lsa-accessory-drive-kit/

Same here ....
Steve

Motown 454

11-23-2014, 12:57 PM

I didn't think you could even get it in there. You learn something new every day! Especially around here.

terrydmorgan

12-08-2014, 11:33 AM

I've been working on my brakes. Installing a Hydraboost system. Finished the hydraulic lines today. I saw a post where someone put wire loom and shrink tubing on their hoses. Looked so good I copied the idea.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/12/D4ADF99CC75845779549B0BA3D3B5BFC-1.jpg (http://s1145.photobucket.com/user/TERRYDMORGAN/media/Terrys%201969%20Camaro/17%20brakes/D4ADF99C-C758-4577-9549-B0BA3D3B5BFC.jpg.html)

5500rm5

12-08-2014, 10:16 PM

I really like that mod you made to the lines. Add protection and looks way better

terrydmorgan

12-09-2014, 04:15 AM

I really like that mod you made to the lines. Add protection and looks way better

Thanks! Lots of colors and styles to choose from too. http://cableorganizer.com/

Motown 454

12-09-2014, 05:11 PM

The hoses look great if you ask me. My trans tunnel is already raised about an inch and a half.

terrydmorgan

12-12-2014, 01:57 PM

Thanks!

The hoses look great if you ask me. My trans tunnel is already raised about an inch and a half.

terrydmorgan

12-12-2014, 02:01 PM

Finished all connections on the brakes - lines and hoses. Bleeding is next.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/12/F0B7F6E94177422EAE35F2875EDCE7EA-1.jpg (http://s1145.photobucket.com/user/TERRYDMORGAN/media/Terrys%201969%20Camaro/17%20brakes/F0B7F6E9-4177-422E-AE35-F2875EDCE7EA.jpg.html)

terrydmorgan

12-12-2014, 02:07 PM

Uh oh, looks like I sheared off one of the AN adapters in the power steering pump. I'm not sure what it's supposed to look like, but it appears that there's a narrow threaded portion that's still in the pump. Dang, not done yet.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/12/37127702739149DA82C40910A38AA1BF-1.jpg (http://s1145.photobucket.com/user/TERRYDMORGAN/media/Terrys%201969%20Camaro/17%20brakes/37127702-7391-49DA-82C4-0910A38AA1BF.jpg.html)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/12/AC9B98E20CBC47A594BE63B6DCF5E682-1.jpg (http://s1145.photobucket.com/user/TERRYDMORGAN/media/Terrys%201969%20Camaro/17%20brakes/AC9B98E2-0CBC-47A5-94BE-63B6DCF5E682.jpg.html)

bonecrrusher

12-16-2014, 08:25 AM

Is that a CF firewall?

terrydmorgan

12-16-2014, 08:52 AM

Yes, from Anvil. Piece of cake to install.

Is that a CF firewall?

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/12/454432F5DC7442D4A9BD5B5C7B1A1206-1.jpg (http://s1145.photobucket.com/user/TERRYDMORGAN/media/Terrys%201969%20Camaro/19%20Carbon%20Fiber/454432F5-DC74-42D4-A9BD-5B5C7B1A1206.jpg.html)

Zapper

12-17-2014, 07:14 PM

I've just finished mocking up and LSA with a 6L90 into my 1970 Camaro and noticed that the trans pan it sitting quite low....below the cross member.

Did you have and issues with the 6L90 during install.....i'm contemplating raising the entire engine and trans about 2" to get some extra clearance but would value your input from your experience

icemanrd19

12-17-2014, 07:56 PM

did you reuse stock brake lines and just reflare them to work with your hydroboost?

terrydmorgan

12-17-2014, 08:58 PM

My 6L90 came out of a Cadillac CTS-V and it's pan does hang lower than I'd like. Some folks on here have replaced the 6L90 pan with a shallow pan from a 6L80 (out of a G8, I think). The 6L80 pan is shorter than the 6L90, so they've welded an extension to the front of the pan. I'll do a search and see if I can find a thread on the topic. I have a shallow 6L80 pan, but haven't had it welded or installed.

I've just finished mocking up and LSA with a 6L90 into my 1970 Camaro and noticed that the trans pan it sitting quite low....below the cross member.

Did you have and issues with the 6L90 during install.....i'm contemplating raising the entire engine and trans about 2" to get some extra clearance but would value your input from your experience

terrydmorgan

12-17-2014, 09:14 PM

The brake lines still connect to the master cylinder/proportioning valve without change when you install hydroboost. The hydroboost sits between the brake pedal and the master cylinder and is fitted with AN connections that you couple to the power steering pump, rack, and reservoir via the flexible hoses. The hydroboost acts to amplify the force applied to the master cylinder by your foot when braking, similar to a conventional power steering unit, but it uses the fluid from the power steering pump instead of engine vacuum in a conventional power steering unit.

did you reuse stock brake lines and just reflare them to work with your hydroboost?

terrydmorgan

12-17-2014, 09:18 PM

I'm beginning to think that this fitting is pressed into the PS pump (not threaded). Anyone know the answer?

Uh oh, looks like I sheared off one of the AN adapters in the power steering pump. I'm not sure what it's supposed to look like, but it appears that there's a narrow threaded portion that's still in the pump. Dang, not done yet.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/12/37127702739149DA82C40910A38AA1BF-1.jpg (http://s1145.photobucket.com/user/TERRYDMORGAN/media/Terrys%201969%20Camaro/17%20brakes/37127702-7391-49DA-82C4-0910A38AA1BF.jpg.html)

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/12/AC9B98E20CBC47A594BE63B6DCF5E682-1.jpg (http://s1145.photobucket.com/user/TERRYDMORGAN/media/Terrys%201969%20Camaro/17%20brakes/AC9B98E2-0CBC-47A5-94BE-63B6DCF5E682.jpg.html)

DJW32

07-03-2015, 07:06 PM

Quick bump.

What's the clearance from the the crank pulley to sway bar?

How did the 6l90 trans fit with the stock firewall?

Did you test fit the factory Lsa drive assy on the tci sub frame? Any fitment issues?

icemanrd19

07-03-2015, 08:02 PM

Double post

icemanrd19

07-03-2015, 08:16 PM

The brake lines still connect to the master cylinder/proportioning valve without change when you install hydroboost. The hydroboost sits between the brake pedal and the master cylinder and is fitted with AN connections that you couple to the power steering pump, rack, and reservoir via the flexible hoses. The hydroboost acts to amplify the force applied to the master cylinder by your foot when braking, similar to a conventional power steering unit, but it uses the fluid from the power steering pump instead of engine vacuum in a conventional power steering unit.
Worded it wrong. did the stock line that you already had with the car close enough to the new proportioning valve that you could bend it enough to connect? I have the exact same setup as you and just installed it on my firewall today. I don't have the brake line that routes to the rf caliper and i didn't know if i could just buy another stock line or not

terrydmorgan

07-04-2015, 05:06 AM

Worded it wrong. did the stock line that you already had with the car close enough to the new proportioning valve that you could bend it enough to connect? I have the exact same setup as you and just installed it on my firewall today. I don't have the brake line that routes to the rf caliper and i didn't know if i could just buy another stock line or not

I am using the stock lines and was able to bend them to fit, but I'm running the TCI subframe, so I don't know if stock lines on a stock subframe would work.

terrydmorgan

07-04-2015, 05:24 AM

No issues, but I'm using a Street & Performance accessory setup. 6L90 was a close fit, but it went in without any mods to the tunnel or firewall.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2015/07/photo2-1.jpg (http://s1145.photobucket.com/user/TERRYDMORGAN/media/Terrys%201969%20Camaro/10%20Engine/photo2.jpg.html)
Quick bump.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2014/11/subframe1-1.jpg (http://s1145.photobucket.com/user/TERRYDMORGAN/media/Terrys%201969%20Camaro/10%20Engine/subframe1.jpg.html)

What's the clearance from the the crank pulley to sway bar?

How did the 6l90 trans fit with the stock firewall?

Did you test fit the factory Lsa drive assy on the tci sub frame? Any fitment issues?

DJW32

07-04-2015, 08:36 AM

Looks good. Thank you.

DJW32

07-04-2015, 03:53 PM

Which ls motor mounts did you use?

icemanrd19

07-04-2015, 07:28 PM

can both of you get a angle reading off of your crank pulley and let me know the degree? Right now my engine is sitting at 4 degrees based off the crank

Ls370z

10-02-2015, 10:56 AM

Thanks guys.

I have a Pontiac G6 shifter, which gives me tap-up, tap-down, but I'll still probably put in paddle shifters.
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Hey terry , have any details on how to wire the g6 shifter to use the tap shift? i have 6l80 and im using psi conversions harness.. the harness has just one wire thats labeled for tapshift.. would i need to get a harness for the shifter or can i solder that single wire to the shifter along with power and ground? this is in a nissan 370z..

jethro13

11-21-2015, 06:55 AM

Terry, I may have missed it but what set of headers are you running with that build? My build is a '67 Camaro/TCI subframe, 2011 CTSv LSA/6L90 - so basically same same. I did not (yet) have the truck/tailshaft mod, so my tunnel had to be cleared, significantly. Nice to see yours go in smoothly, great build keep us posted. For engine and trans pan, I'm using an F-body LS1 Pan in current moc-up and the engine pan is flush with the front TCI crossmember, but I loose a dipstick. The 6L80 pan/modified give about an inch back to us, but still kinda low.