RideTech Tru Turn System

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<o:p>Also, for a limited time, and only for Pro-touring.com menbers...ask about your special introductory pricing. </o:p>
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The TruTurn Steering Package<o:p></o:p>


If you tuned in for the 48 Hour Camaro build, you probably noticed that the build team put 10" wide tires on the front and wondered how it was done. Well now the truth is out...it was all made possible by the TruTurn, a steering upgrade package brought to you by Ridetech. <o:p></o:p>
What is it?

The TruTurn system is an upgraded steering system that includes the following: <o:p></o:p>
Spindles - taller to improve the camber gain and a raised spindle pin to lower your car by 2" <o:p></o:p>
Steering Arms - designed to correct bumpsteer AND allow clearance for up to a 10" wide wheel with a 5.75" backspacing. <o:p></o:p>
Draglink bracket - bolts onto oem draglink to relocate the inner tierod end to minimize bumpsteer <o:p></o:p>
Tie Rod Assemblies - integrates with your new steering arms and centerlink to provide a tru "no fab" bolt on steering system. <o:p></o:p>
What will this system do?


Everyone knows the early Camaro/Nova front ends have very poor suspension geometry...the tires lean outward around turns, the bumpsteer is bad, and there is little room to run a wide wheel because of the OEM steering arm interfering with the inside of the wheel. The TruTurn system resolves ALL of these issues...the tires now lean INTO the turn, the bumpsteer is UNDER .050" through 5" of suspension travel, and you now have clearance to run up to a 10" wide wheel with a 275mm tire! <o:p></o:p>

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spindles, steering arms, draglink bracket, and tie rod assemblies<o:p></o:p>

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Price: $1000
Call in and ask about an introductory price! Phone: 812.481.4787<o:p></o:p>
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TruTurn UPGRADE package ( same as above MINUS the spindles )





Price: $650<o:p></o:p>

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48 Hour Camaro - Ridetech Front Suspension Video<o:p></o:p>




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Also don't forget to check out the Triple Adjustable Coil-Overs being installed!




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[MarkM66]

Looks like a really nice system.

Are those steering arms the same dimension as the factory "short" arms? Are parts available for individual sale?

[bret]

The Steering arms are not any OEM Camaro piece. The system will be offered with spindles [$1000] , or without spindles [$650] because there are many of our current custoemrs that already have our RideTech spindles. We're not going to offer any components separately because they are designed to work as a package. To use them with other components would negate any performance or fitment benefits and probably cause you to take my name in vain!

[protouring70]

Nice setup Bret. I think this will go over very well!!! Good luck.

[mdprovee]

This looks like a good system, something I have been looking into. What about breaks? I have Baer 13" track system on front. Will these bolt up?

[bret]

This looks like a good system, something I have been looking into. What about breaks? I have Baer 13" track system on front. Will these bolt up?

Any aftermarket disc brake system that will fit the A body or F body GM spindle should work fine. We have specifically fit the Baer 14" rotor with their 6P calipers with a 17x10 and an 18x10 wheel and a 275mm BFG tire.

[DarkoNova]

So then none of it works with AFX spindles?

[RAnthony97]

So then none of it works with AFX spindles?

http://www.ridetech.com/store/suspension-components/tru-turn/tru-turn-upgrade-package-1967-69-gm-f-body.html
Frequently Asked Questions


3. Can I use my existing OEM or other aftermarket dropped spindles with this system?
No...the RideTech spindle is a critical part of the whole system. Using a different spindle will create highly unfavorable suspension geometry and would be incompatible with our steering arms.

[Rod]

The Steering arms are not any OEM Camaro piece. The system will be offered with spindles [$1000] , or without spindles [$650] because there are many of our current custoemrs that already have our RideTech spindles. We're not going to offer any components separately because they are designed to work as a package. To use them with other components would negate any performance or fitment benefits and probably cause you to take my name in vain!

I see that's the same pricing to public on you're website and protour members here, are any deals coming later? for members
also do you have the tall spindle without the 2 inch drop?

[Gitter Dun]

I am currently using a corvette wheel up front with a 2" spacer. I am also using the Steeroids rack-n-pinion.

Will the steering arm and spindle combination conflict with the inner wheel?

Also, will the system work without the draglink bracket and tie rod assembly?

[MrQuick]

I am currently using a corvette wheel up front with a 2" spacer. I am also using the Steeroids rack-n-pinion.

Will the steering arm and spindle combination conflict with the inner wheel?

Also, will the system work without the draglink bracket and tie rod assembly?
The tie rod mount looks to be moved up quite a bit so it is near center of the rotor surface. No rim issues. The components would have to be used together to work.

you guys been doing your homework.

[newmexicosaint]

Did I miss it? Are there any plans for the 2nd gen camaro's?

[darren@ridetech]

I see that's the same pricing to public on you're website and protour members here, are any deals coming later? for members
also do you have the tall spindle without the 2 inch drop?

You might try hitting up one of our many dealers on this forum...

[darren@ridetech]

I am currently using a corvette wheel up front with a 2" spacer. I am also using the Steeroids rack-n-pinion.

Will the steering arm and spindle combination conflict with the inner wheel?

Also, will the system work without the draglink bracket and tie rod assembly?

We have not tried the tall spindles w/ the Steeroids Rack yet. You might check w/ them too see if they have.

To fit a 10" wheel we had to modify the inner fender well and outer lip.

[TT302Z28]

Ok, how about with the "G" mod? Do you have a standard height spindle without lowering?

Just bought the Chicane kit and the Ridetech Single adjustables and can't go back to factory mounting for the uppers. I'm sure I'm not the only one who did the mod and don't need a drop spindle.

[darren@ridetech]

I agree, I don't think you would want to run the tall spindles along w/ the G-mod, probably too much camber gain.

We have not yet tried it yet.

[prosuperstar]

Did I miss it? Are there any plans for the 2nd gen camaro's?

I'd also like this question answered.

[darren@ridetech]

We have not looked into building a Tru Turn for the 2nd Gen yet. The Tru Turn offers 3 solutions for the 1st Gen, allows for wider tire, taller spindle for improved camber gain & virtually no bumpsteer. 2nd Gens already have a taller spindle, so that won't be necessary. We have already fit an 18" x 10" under a 2nd Gen too, so there isn't a whole lot that needs to be fixed.

[carguy502]

Darren,

Could you get me a measurement from the end of the steering arm to the closest spindle bolt hole on the steering arm. I want to make a rough measurement with my wheels before I jump on this.

Best,
Don

[darren@ridetech]

I don't have that information in front of me, i would have to get back w/ you. But the length of the arm only tells half of the story. Much of the wheel clearance is gained by raising the tie rod as well.

[bret]

To further clarify Darrens responses...the Tru Turn system can only work as a complete system. Any substitution of components will significantly alter the bump steer and camber curve performance. While it is possible that other components might physically fit together with the Tru Turn components, the resulting end performance will likely suffer greatly. That's not because other components are inferior, it just because they have not been engineered to work together. To make the Tru Turn system work properly, it must use the RideTech spindles and a steering box in the oem location with an oem pitman arm and idler arm. The Tru Turn system will not be compatible with the G mod...that combination will result in too much camber gain and will make the car ride on the innervedge of the tire through the turns.
Also...we do not have a "non dropped" spindle that is taller overall. Our package is designed around a 2" dropped spindle to achieve the proper ride height.

2nd Gen guys...that front suspension is actually pretty good to start with. The camber gain and bump steer performance is much, much better than the oem 1st Gen suspension. Can it be made better? Probably, but the ending gains will not be as dramatic. We have already fit an 18x10 wheel with a 6" backspace with a 275mm tire on an oem 2nd Gen Camaro with no problem.

Pricing? Yes, we are running an introductory price for the pro tour members...I'm not going to post it, you must call in your order to get it. That way when the special pricing ends we don't have the entertain all the questions 6 months down the road about the special pricing:)

Hope this helps...I'm on the road for the next fewcdays and am responding on my iPad, so be patient!

For thosecwho want to see this system in person and in action...we will have a display and the 48 hour camaro in Columbus this weekend. Come out and take a ride!

[Tech@Scotts]

We at Scotts Hotrods as a pro-touring sponsor offer special forum member pricing on Ridetech products and other purchase incentives PM or call for these special offers. Looks killer Bret about time ;-)

[killer69]

So then none of it works with AFX spindles?


I will speak to Brett about this.

[Tech@Scotts]

I spoke to Darren and he said that they have not had an AFX spindle in house yet to find out if it would or would not work, he also said that the AFX spindle may or may not have an issue clearing a 10" wheel. These are things that are still uncertain but he said they should have answers here shortly, I know Brett well so I imagine it wont take to long....

[ProdigyCustoms]

I have been biteing my tonque on this product since I was introduced to it at the 48 hour build. Awesome stuff! I do believe this is the final piece in the puzzle to closing the gap of modified stock subframe and top aftermarket subframe. I think this will be a big seller for us for owners with modded subs that want to make them that much better and also new builds that do not need the ego stimulation of having a new subframe and want to spend half the money.

[Chad-1stGen]

I will speak to Brett about this.

Given the popularity of the AFX spindle you could make a lot of people happy lol

[bret]

Given the popularity of the AFX spindle you could make a lot of people happy lol

Agreed!

[killer69]

in the works

[DarkoNova]

Given the popularity of the AFX spindle you could make a lot of people happy lol

Exactly. I don't have the coin for an aftermarket subframe right now, so the best I can do is get a Lee box to go with my AFX spindles and some better shocks. If I could go even further and use this system, I'd be one happy camper!

[PhillipM]

I don't know why this is bugging me.. Maybe because I'm in marketing and do logo design. Is the logo supposed to be 10" "R"ide wheels or "W"ide wheels? Just dosen't make sense to me with "R"ide wheels.

[1969CamaroRS]

Given the popularity of the AFX spindle you could make a lot of people happy lol

/Crosses fingers.

[HotRod68Camaro]

Does the use of a 10" wide wheel limit the turning radius at all?

[GeoffP]

I think this is a great product and should sell quite well! It's definitely caught my eye and shouldn't be too difficult to justify to my Mrs. when I'm ready to do another round of mods to my 68. :)

[PhillipM]

Saw the logo got fixed.. Now it makes more sense! :) very cool product!

[BuzzKillian]

When I started my project 8 er 9 years ago... I didn't know anything about Pro Touring. 3 years ago I got hooked at the Columbus Goodguys show. I have researched and read all kinds of articles on handling and suspesion geometry. Without a doubt this looks like the most bang for the buck!
I just ordered the Tru Turn package and plan to put it to the test at RTTH7.
Now.. off to work on the car...

[jknight16]

Exactly. I don't have the coin for an aftermarket subframe right now, so the best I can do is get a Lee box to go with my AFX spindles and some better shocks. If I could go even further and use this system, I'd be one happy camper!

Exactly my thought. I've gone about as far as I can go with bolt-on parts and a stock subframe, short of using coil-overs. Next time I have a real budget infusion my thought was to get new wheels and maximize front contact patch. If this setup can be made to work with the AFX spindle that will be a natural fit for my project.

[protouring70]

Brett, what wheel and tire size are you running on the Camaro. I have a buddy with a 67. I told him about the kit and he was wanting this info.
Thanks Brent.

P.S. Tell Greg I haven't forgot about his gum I promised him. There will be enough for him to share when I get it together..... If he shares......HAHA

[TT302Z28]

The cost doesn't scare me....just about to strip my frame and begin the perimeter welding of the frame and Chicane before powder coat.

Seems like if you have the G-mod the AFX might be an option. Now I would have to replace my brakes!

How can we make this work with the G-mod? I really like the idea of a 10" wheel up front.

[redfire69]

So if I read the FAQs right, these are the same spindles in your complete coil over kit for the 69 camaro. So this turns into a $650 upgrade.... hmmmm :)

[darren@ridetech]

So if I read the FAQs right, these are the same spindles in your complete coil over kit for the 69 camaro. So this turns into a $650 upgrade.... hmmmm :)

That is correct...

[darren@ridetech]

Brett, what wheel and tire size are you running on the Camaro. I have a buddy with a 67. I told him about the kit and he was wanting this info.

18x10 wheel with 5.75" of backspace and a 275/35-18 tire

[68ZClone]

It was posted that the stock steering arm must be used. I'm assuming stock pitman arm also? But which ones? Were there not several different lengths depending on PS, MS, performance option, etc. I thought I read that.

[protouring70]

Darren is that frt and back?
18x10 wheel with 5.75" of backspace and a 275/35-18 tire

[67bird]

Do you lose any ground or oil pan clearance with the added draglink bracket? My concern is unlike most who use LS series engines I am running a Pontiac motor. I know my crowd isn't catered to, but thought I would ask. Anyway, if these get made to work with ATS (SpeedTech) spindles, then I would be interested in it. I guess I can ask if we can get a pictures of the oil pan clearance if possible.

[John Wright]

Darren is that frt and back?
Brent,
That 10" rim was on the Front...the 48 hour camaro had 12" wide rims on the rear(mini tub).

[Rick D]

What I want to know is what are the performance gains with setup compaired to DSE, AME, Jakes. I'm not saying that I think for 1000.00 I am going to get the same results as an aftermarket sub frame. But other than 10" rim up front (which is FREEKN awsome by the way) what gains can I see? And not trying bash in any way, I think this product is just what I am looking for as I am running the stock sub frame all welded up smoothed and was just looking for the G/M templet the other day. Any chance the 48 Hour Camaro will be at the Heidt's event this weekend??

[mdprovee]

What about using DSE upper and lower control arms? I have them now on the car and am wondering if I can just bolt on this system.

[darren@ridetech]

It was posted that the stock steering arm must be used. I'm assuming stock pitman arm also? But which ones? Were there not several different lengths depending on PS, MS, performance option, etc. I thought I read that.

The kit was designed on a Power Steering Pitman arm. The stock steering arms will not work, new ones are provided with the kit.

[darren@ridetech]

What about using DSE upper and lower control arms? I have them now on the car and am wondering if I can just bolt on this system.

Sorry, I can not answer this question, we have not tried it yet.

[darren@ridetech]

Do you lose any ground or oil pan clearance with the added draglink bracket? My concern is unlike most who use LS series engines I am running a Pontiac motor. I know my crowd isn't catered to, but thought I would ask. Anyway, if these get made to work with ATS (SpeedTech) spindles, then I would be interested in it. I guess I can ask if we can get a pictures of the oil pan clearance if possible.

The drag link bracket does not hang any lower than the drag link itself.

[bret]

Just to catch up a bit...

The 48 Hour Camaro will be at the Heidts event this weekend at Autobahn...I'm sitting at the track right now.

Oil pan clearance...the main part of the drag link bracket is the same height as the oem drag link. It is raised only at the ends to relocate the inner tie rod ends. Although I can't consider every possible combination out ther, I can't imagine any oil pan clearance issues.

On fitment with DSE arms...as Darren said, havent tried them yet. I would suspect they would be fine, but you would have to run the suspension it's travel to makecsure there are no clearance or bind issues. Same with any other manufacturers arms, or oem arms.

ATS spindle...working on that to be able to answer yes or no.

Comparison to DSE, Morrison, Jakes, Heidts, Speedtech, etc...bring me a collection of identical cars in every respect except for the front suspension and I'll do a comparison. I know that comes off as being a smartass, but I'm just trying to demonstrate the feasibility of such a comparison. There's just no realistic way to eliminate enough of the variables to pronounce a "winner". It's been tried. The fact is...ALL these manufacturers build really nice products...REALLY nice.

[Rick D]

Just to catch up a bit...

The 48 Hour Camaro will be at the Heidts event this weekend at Autobahn...I'm sitting at the track right now.

Oil pan clearance...the main part of the drag link bracket is the same height as the oem drag link. It is raised only at the ends to relocate the inner tie rod ends. Although I can't consider every possible combination out ther, I can't imagine any oil pan clearance issues.

On fitment with DSE arms...as Darren said, havent tried them yet. I would suspect they would be fine, but you would have to run the suspension it's travel to makecsure there are no clearance or bind issues. Same with any other manufacturers arms, or oem arms.

ATS spindle...working on that to be able to answer yes or no.

Comparison to DSE, Morrison, Jakes, Heidts, Speedtech, etc...bring me a collection of identical cars in every respect except for the front suspension and I'll do a comparison. I know that comes off as being a smartass, but I'm just trying to demonstrate the feasibility of such a comparison. There's just no realistic way to eliminate enough of the variables to pronounce a "winner". It's been tried. The fact is...ALL these manufacturers build really nice products...REALLY nice.

I get what you are say about the compairson. Man you are at the trak and I was just up at Heidts shop in Wacconda. I was org plaining on going to the track but than I had changed my mind. Now you have me thinking I should come down to check out the set up on the 48 hour Camaro?? Decisions decisions!!! I may see you in the Morning Bret.

[bret]

We are running autocross today. If you come down here I'll make sure you get a couple laps with me in the Camaro.

[mdprovee]

Any news on when these might start shipping?

[darren@ridetech]

Waiting on some parts to get anodized/plated. Hope to be able to start shipping next week or the following.

[DriverzInc]

Darren,

Are you planning on answering the question in regards to if turning radius is reduced? I'm waiting until this is addressed before we here at Driverz start selling 18x10s with 275s to customers with this kit (and the phone has been ringing to this regard, I took two phone calls on it today.) I'd love to sell the crap out of this kit, and I'd love to sell wheels and tires for this kit... I would HATE to deal with the backlash of customers calling to complain about tire rub.

[Garymac69]

Darren,

Are you planning on answering the question in regards to if turning radius is reduced? I'm waiting until this is addressed before we here at Driverz start selling 18x10s with 275s to customers with this kit (and the phone has been ringing to this regard, I took two phone calls on it today.) I'd love to sell the crap out of this kit, and I'd love to sell wheels and tires for this kit... I would HATE to deal with the backlash of customers calling to complain about tire rub.

Another detail is the requirement to create clearance on the inner wheelhouse and the outer fender lip. While it may not be a difficult amount of metal work and fab, a drawing, template, or even picture details of the 48 hour Camaro would prevent everyone from having to "re-create the wheel" on each car.

[darren@ridetech]

Sorry, Jon. Didn't realize I skipped that question. On the 48 hr car (which is a 67) we used an 18x10 on a 275 w/ a 5.75 backspacing, at full lock the tire just kisses the frame rail. I have not seen any pictures of the modifications and I wasn't there during them, Kurt from Precision burned the midnight oil finishing that up before the build started. I'll get some pictures.

[Garymac69]

I have not seen any pictures of the modifications and I wasn't there during them, Kurt from Precision burned the midnight oil finishing that up before the build started. I'll get some pictures.

Darren,

BTW....I'm seriously considering going with the complete Ridetech front (and possibly rear 4 link) suspension package. I suspect the inner fender modifications would take a LOT more time than bolting on the front suspension. I would guess I would have to: 1. Assemble the front suspension, minus the coilover. 2. Mount the brakes and tires. 3. Then stroke the suspension full travel up and left/right 4. Somehow reach up there and make marks on the fender. 5. Take it all apart, remove the inner fenders. 6. Perform the metal cutting and fab, welding. 7. Re-assemble and hope I got it all done correctly. Does this sound about right?

Gary

[marolf101x]

I can only speak for the earlier cars (67,68) as the 48 hour car is a 67, but the fenders were worked over to make the wheels/tires clear everything at the dramatically low stance we wanted. The 69 should not be nearly as modified as it has more clearance to begin with. However, I cannot say how much as we have not yet fitted a 69.
As you can see by the following pictures the part of the fender with that held the stock trim was removed. The remaining lip was then rolled under and a new panel was attached to this. This new panel allowed a slightly modified stock inner fender panel to bolt to the fender, thereby filling all the gaps.

I'm sure more information will be available on more "stock" vehicles later, however, there's not much out there currently as this is a VERY new product. The 48 Hour car was built to be beaten so we did everything we could to fit the largest wheel/tire on a stock subframe and keep everything clear and out of the way when you dump it into a corner at over 100mph at one of the large tracks!

Here's a shot from under the car (the car is on a lift):
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This is one of the fender (obviously):
48445

How the inner fender panel was constructed:
48446
48447

Steering:
I have driven this car quite a bit, and I can tell you I do not notice any loss of steering.

[Garymac69]

Britt,

Thanks for the pictures. That clears things up a lot. I plan to use a 275 tire at about that ride height on my '69 (I have a 235 now). When you said "The remaining lip was then rolled under and a new panel was attached to this.", how was that panel attached to the fender?

Gary

[marolf101x]

You can see it in the last two images. The additional material was welded on so that the inside of the fender went up high enough to catch the inner fender well.

[DriverzInc]

Thanks guys. You know you I love you guys, and I love your products, but I believe the customer needs to know that he just can't bolt on this kit and expect it to not rub at all without some work, or without tolerating a bit of rub here and there. Great kit, and I hope we get to sell, install, more then just a few. If I could make a suggestion, run a 9" wheel to help pull in that 275 wide tire a hair... which is what I think I would suggest to customers who call in here.

[darren@ridetech]

Thanks Jon!

[Rick D]

Two questions, one any word on ATS spindles and two any oil pan issues or mods that needed to be done for the LS motor to fit?

[69blackwhss]

Two questions, one any word on ATS spindles and two any oil pan issues or mods that needed to be done for the LS motor to fit?

i would like to know also am going ls1 stock oil pan an k-member in a 69 camaro...

[darren@ridetech]

No Oil pan issues that we ran into yet. The 48 Hour Camaro had an LS..... Working on the fitment w/ ATS spindles.

[johnny68]

[QUOTE=DriverzInc;822840]Thanks guys. You know you I love you guys, and I love your products,

im feeling fuzzy inside,, oh by the way umm hows about the nova gang?
john

[ProdigyCustoms]

We got our Tru Trun Kit today. This is a pre release production piece we are testing for Ride Tech on installation, instructions, etc. And of coarse testing for performance.

We are installing this on Partick's 68 Camaro which will give us a great A / B test. Patrick's car already has a triangle 4 link, upper and lower arms, sways bars, 600 steering box, etc. So we should get some driving impression testing right away and then we will bring it to RTTH's for some real world performance testing.

I will do the install sometime this week and post some pics and review.

Also, I understand Tru Turn kits will be ready for the masses very soon, probably about the same time I get this one installed.

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[bret]

Yep...we've got several systems ready to release, pending Frank's critique of our instructions and any other refinements that might arise. Should be the end of this week or early next. Frank...let me know how this thing goes and what else we can provide!

[ChevelleNV]

Yep...we've got several systems ready to release, pending Frank's critique of our instructions and any other refinements that might arise. Should be the end of this week or early next. Frank...let me know how this thing goes and what else we can provide!

Anything like this in the works for A-Bodys?

[Ryan67camaro]

will the system work with a manual steering rack?

[darren@ridetech]

We will be taking a closer look at the A Body front suspenison. Not much to gain on the wheel size, but I think we can minimize bumpsteer.

[darren@ridetech]

will the system work with a manual steering rack?

We have not tried it yet. Whose rack do you have?

[mdprovee]

Any news on how Franks install went? Looking foward to hearing what he has to say.

Any news on a posible ship date?

[BuzzKillian]

Any news on how Franks install went? Looking foward to hearing what he has to say.

Any news on a posible ship date?

x2 I know I have Oil Pan mods to make. I don't really want to spend the cash on a new pan when I can change mine. But I will need some time to do it before RTTH. (Plus assemble the rest of the car.)

[darren@ridetech]

They shipped yesterday!! If anyone needs tracking info just shoot me an email. [email protected]

[BuzzKillian]

They shipped yesterday!! If anyone needs tracking info just shoot me an email. [email protected]

Thank you!! It arrived today! It feels like Christmas!

[bret]

I have finally gotten a chance to gather the camber curve and bumpsteer data for your guys who are interested in such stuff. You'll notice that the camber curve is fairly radical, but appropriate for this size wheel/tire combination.
You'll also notice that the bumpsteer numbers are just stellar! As indicated at the bottom of the graph, the total variance through 5" of suspension travel is under .050"...about the thickness of a dime. Put in context...many [most] newer cars have .150" to over 1" of bumpsteer variation. Indycar guys shoot for under .020".

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[jb@ridetech]

Here are some image of the TRUTurn system on the 48HOURCAMARO.
I know there has been some questions on LS oil pan clearance and also tire fitment.

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[Hunter68]

did you have to do anything to make the wheel not hit the sub frame or is that full turn?

[piratebaseball]

Maybe I missed it...but if we did not want to have to make any fender or inner fender mods, what is the largest 17" wheel and tire including back spacing we can run? This would be for a 67 camaro.

[darren@ridetech]

did you have to do anything to make the wheel not hit the sub frame or is that full turn?

Nope, the stop on the steering arm contacts the lower arm. But if you had to, you could always add material there, or thread a bolt into the lower arm to further limit turning radius.

[darren@ridetech]

Maybe I missed it...but if we did not want to have to make any fender or inner fender mods, what is the largest 17" wheel and tire including back spacing we can run? This would be for a 67 camaro.

Have not tried it yet. Stay tuned....

[Hunter68]

what do you need to have done to the fenders/inner fenders?

[darren@ridetech]

what do you need to have done to the fenders/inner fenders?

On a 10" wheel we had to modify the outside portion of the inner fender. See pics on page 3 of this thread.

[Hunter68]

ok thanks will you guys be working on a diagram or something of that sort so that way if you dont have all the tools to do the metal work we could purchase a inner fender and maybe just get it rolled? i know there are some after market fender wells that are wider

[Garymac69]

I started asking for a diagram, templates, pictures a month ago. It would be nice if someone made a sheet metal panel, shaped for the required clearance that you could just weld or rivet in place, after the cut was made in the factory inner fender.

Last week I ordered the complete Ridetech Coilover suspension package w/ TruTurn for my '69. I'll start on the project end of September and will have to figure something out!

[DarkoNova]

On a 10" wheel we had to modify the outside portion of the inner fender. See pics on page 3 of this thread.

Do you have any pics of the process? The description just confuses me more...maybe it's just me?

[Garymac69]

Here are some image of the TRUTurn system on the 48HOURCAMARO.
I know there has been some questions on LS oil pan clearance and also tire fitment.

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This pictures shows a very tight fit with the sway bar. Will a 275 tire also require using the Ridetech front swaybar?

Gary

[darren@ridetech]

I would say that a standard 1 piece bent sway bar would limit your turning radius.

[mdprovee]

Ahhh, good question Gary...

I recieved my kit yesterday, hopefully install in a couple of weeks.

[darren@ridetech]

Maybe I missed it...but if we did not want to have to make any fender or inner fender mods, what is the largest 17" wheel and tire including back spacing we can run? This would be for a 67 camaro.

I have not verified this yet, but "I THINK" that if a 9" wheel on a 5.75" BS would give you 1" less front spacing and be enough clear Lip/well. Again... I do not know this for a fact yet.

[Garymac69]

I would say that a standard 1 piece bent sway bar would limit your turning radius.

DOH......my order has shipped already....looks like I should have also ordered the Ridetech front sway bar!

[darren@ridetech]

FREE shipping on all order over $100 placed before 9/10!!! :)

[Garymac69]

FREE shipping on all order over $100 placed before 9/10!!! :)

I was hoping to re-use SOME of my existing components to save a few $$$$ (the wife will beat me if I spend much more). I may have to accelerate the installation schedule to see how bad the turning radius is reduced.

[mdprovee]

Then the next million dollar question, will your sway bar work with stock, or other arms? Are the locations of the connection points the same as stock, or is something reconfigured.

[darren@ridetech]

Then the next million dollar question, will your sway bar work with stock, or other arms? Are the locations of the connection points the same as stock, or is something reconfigured.

Let's see how many letters I can type w/o directly answering your question.... :)

The initial design on our lower StrongArm was done several years back, way before the 3 piece MuscleBar ever existed. They were designed to work with stock sway bar. We had also fit it w/ Hotchis, Addco, and (I think) Hellwig sway bars. All of the design of the 3 piece MuscleBar was done on our lower StrongArms. We have not yet tried to fit it on stock arms or anyone elses. But... If A=B & B=C, then A should be really damn close to C. After installation, just be sure to check the PosiLink alignment throughout suspension travel. They can handle quite a bit of misalignment, so just ensure that it does not bind.

[piratebaseball]

So in a 17x9.5 wheel, would I need 5.25 BS or 6.25 BS...I'm a rookie when it comes to wheel/tire combos... Thanks!

[DarkoNova]

Do you have any pics of the process? The description just confuses me more...maybe it's just me?

:lurk:

[darren@ridetech]

So in a 17x9.5 wheel, would I need 5.25 BS or 6.25 BS...I'm a rookie when it comes to wheel/tire combos... Thanks!

Well, on an 18x10 we use a 5.75" BS. So on a 9.5" you could stick w/ the 5.75" BS and that will give you .5" more clearance at the fender lip. May not have to modify as much....

[darren@ridetech]

:lurk:

I do not have any pics. Sorry.

[Garymac69]

I do not have any pics. Sorry.

ie. your results may differ.

Darren,
Could you get the guy that did the inner fender metal fab on the 48 hour Camaro to write us a list of steps to accomplish this feat? Most of us are not full time metal-working guys!

Gary

[Garymac69]

Also...an important item would be the process of determining what to cut out of the fenders.

[TT302Z28]

Too many questions answered with "to be determined".

[darren@ridetech]

Too many questions answered with "to be determined".

Well quit asking questions that I don't know the answer to yet.... :)

There are so many cobinations of parts being used, it's almost impossible to fit every possible combination of control arms, spindles, springs, shocks, R&P etc.... to ensure that it will work. We know for a fact that it works perfect with RideTech CoilOvers/Shockwaves, upper & lower StrongArms, RideTech Tall Spindles, our steering arms, tie rods and center link bracket. Any variation from those parts is to be determined.

[bret]

I am truly sympathetic to the guys wanting guidance on the fender modifications. I think that a step by step instruction sheet of precisely how to accomplish the modifications to the inner/outer fender on a 67/68 Camaro to fit the 10" wide wheel would be great.
It would also be a little unfeasible...here's why.
I can't tell you to "remove .375" of metal from an area starting 2.5" from the very bottom of the fender extending to 11" above that point". I wish I was that level of teacher. The reality is that there are many different ways to acheive tire clearance, if needed. You may not even need to do anything if you are using oem height body mounts...the 48 Hour Camaro had half height mounts. If you are using a different brand of tire you might not have any tire clearance problems.

On the 48 Hour Camaro our metal guy Kurt took an inordinate amount of time to make this modification look invisible. He basically trimmed the outer fender lip off the car up to the first body line...about 3/8" of an inch. That provided the neccessary tire clearance at full lock. Then he trimmed away part of the inner fender that would come in contact with the tire at full lock. The amount was determined by trial and error fitting. Then he shaped an "adapter" peice that would reconnect the inner and outer fender. At that point he could have welded this new piece to the inner fender, attached it with adhesive, rivited it, or just left it out for that matter. He chose to rivit it because we were running out of time before the build.
The inner/outer fender modifications...if even needed...are something that you likely will want to engage soeone with at least a little experience in the area of metal/paint work. Its really not that hard, but might be beyond accomplishing with an adjustable wrench and a can of wax.

Having said all that...I'm sure that there is someone more talented that I am out there who might be able/willing to create some sort of intructional video on this subject. I am all ears [and eyes] on that!

[DarkoNova]

Well quit asking questions that I don't know the answer to yet.... :)

I lol'd. :lol:

[jknight16]

There is no instruction booklet for hot rodding.

AirRide's parts accomplish what they are intended to accomplish. It's our job as hot rodders to take care of the unexpected variables and peripheral systems and clearances that can not be foreseen my the mfr.

[Driver X]

Preach It Jeff, I agree with you , If you want cookie cutter products then leave it stock , Thinking & Modding is what hot rodding is all about make it your own:idea:

[darren@ridetech]

We have set a deadline on the introductory price for the Complete TruTurn package of Sept. 30th. However, if purchased by Sept. 10th, you will also receive FREE SHIPPING!

[Bad94]

I have this on my car and WOW, what a change from stock spindle/steering set up.

[DarkoNova]

Curious as to why this wouldn't work with an AFX spindle? My car should finally be drivable within the month, and I don't mind being the guinea pig to test this out with AFX spindles...as long as I can return it if it doesn't work for some odd reason, lol.

[darren@ridetech]

We have a set of AFX spindles here, but the 48 Hour Camaro has not sat still long enough to try them out. We are headed down to Bowling Green this afternoon for the LS Fest. If you want to try it out, I have no problem taking it back if it will not work. We have always been understanding when it comes to returning products.

[JEFFTATE]

I've got a Tru Turn System coming too .
It should be here any day now .
Then , I'll just have to get it put on before Run thru the Hills .

I think it will cure my bump-steer and camber gain issues ..

[DarkoNova]

We have a set of AFX spindles here, but the 48 Hour Camaro has not sat still long enough to try them out. We are headed down to Bowling Green this afternoon for the LS Fest. If you want to try it out, I have no problem taking it back if it will not work. We have always been understanding when it comes to returning products.

Cool, if I get my car back together before you manage to test it with the AFX, I'll do it. :)

[1fastssnova]

Question for Ride Tech. If I am running a factory spindle on a '69 Nova, with a tall upper ball joint wouldn't this kit still work without the spindles (part# 11169525)? The 2in drop moves the pin on the spindle up which would technically bring the bottom of the rim closer to the tie rod, so on a non-dropped spindle the pin would locate the rim further away from the tie rod (interference would not be an issue). The tall ball joint would give you the correct spindle height for the geometry, and steering arms would bolt to factory spindles - correct? If you purchased Ride Tech spindles without the Tru Turn kit, factory steering arms would bolt on (same bolt hole and spacing) - I'm guessing. The reason I ask this is because I am happy with the ride height I have now. I would hate to start messing with spring spacers to bring it back to where it was after dropping it 2in with a new spindle. Also, wouldn't mind saving the $350 for the new 275's I'd need to get.

[darren@ridetech]

Question for Ride Tech. If I am running a factory spindle on a '69 Nova, with a tall upper ball joint wouldn't this kit still work without the spindles (part# 11169525)? The 2in drop moves the pin on the spindle up which would technically bring the bottom of the rim closer to the tie rod, so on a non-dropped spindle the pin would locate the rim further away from the tie rod (interference would not be an issue). The tall ball joint would give you the correct spindle height for the geometry, and steering arms would bolt to factory spindles - correct? If you purchased Ride Tech spindles without the Tru Turn kit, factory steering arms would bolt on (same bolt hole and spacing) - I'm guessing. The reason I ask this is because I am happy with the ride height I have now. I would hate to start messing with spring spacers to bring it back to where it was after dropping it 2in with a new spindle. Also, wouldn't mind saving the $350 for the new 275's I'd need to get.

Are at stock height now, or have you lowered the car w/ springs or arms?

[1fastssnova]

Factory spindle, tall ball joint, SPC uppers and lowers, Global West Springs with 3/4" drop. SPC Lowers have adjustable ride height kit (http://scandc.com/new/node/672).

[Bad94]

Factory spindle, tall ball joint, SPC uppers and lowers, Global West Springs with 3/4" drop. SPC Lowers have adjustable ride height kit (http://scandc.com/new/node/672).


Im no sales person for Ridetech, but if you ditch ur front end(sell it) and start over with Ridetechs upper and lower arms, and go coilovers, and tru turn set up, you will be shocked how different the front end will be.

I have DSE upper and lower arms(have to mod the lower) ATS upper coil over mount, Ridetech single adjustable coilovers and tru turn set up and WOW, so much better then before.

[darren@ridetech]

1fastssnova,
I wish there were a simple yes or no answer to your question. But in reality there is only one way to answer that question...try it. I agree, in theory the steering arm position should be the same, so the bumpsteer #'s "should" be close. You would also want to take a look at turning radius (since the arms are shaped differently that ours) and ball joint angles.

Lets play a game..... How many combinations of control arms, spindles & springs can we put together? :)

[1fastssnova]

Darren,

Thanks for the reply, totally true, I did not think of the control arms possibly changing the position of the spindle in relation to the frame (closer or farther away depending on different brands' designs). I guess as people try them out with different combinations you will get the feedback to say whether or not Tru Turn will work with different combos. Really impressed with the fact that you guys came out with an option for stock subframe guys to get the same tire fitment as the aftermarket subframes.

Frank

[darren@ridetech]

Gentlemen,
Looking for some feedback on Tru Turn installations. Please let me know what controls arms, spindles, springs, engine and header combonations were used. How well the system fit...or if you had any problems.

Thanks in advance!

[1fastssnova]

Im no sales person for Ridetech, but if you ditch ur front end(sell it) and start over with Ridetechs upper and lower arms, and go coilovers, and tru turn set up, you will be shocked how different the front end will be.

I have DSE upper and lower arms(have to mod the lower) ATS upper coil over mount, Ridetech single adjustable coilovers and tru turn set up and WOW, so much better then before.

I actually went with a traditional spring/shock combo because a coilover in the same space makes the spring much shorter. With the Varishock adjustables and the adjustable spring height, I can get the same results, with a longer spring. To truely get the most out of a coilover setup on stock subframe, a system like DSE or Speedtech (which raises the top mount) is the hot ticket - IMO

[darren@ridetech]

I agree, on a 1st Gen Camaro, installing a coilover on a stock control/spindle setup requires a very short shock/spring setup, resulting in reduced wheel travel and ride quality.

However, when designing our lower StrongArm we dropped the lower shock mount down a tick to allow us to run a longer stroke shock. Couple this with our Tall/Drop spindles and you will have plenty of wheel travel. This is also one of the reasons that we chose to use Hyperco springs, they have a very high tensile strength which leads to smaller diameter wire and/or fewer coils compared to other springs. This allows the spring to compress much more before coil bind.

[Mayhem]

One thing that stuck out to me when I installed the kit;

In the instructions you note: "The passenger side inner tie rod is bent down to allow clearance for the pitman arm." A bit confusing considering pitman arm is on driver side attached to p/s gearbox and idler arm is on passenger side attached to frame. But you guys already knew that.

[darren@ridetech]

Good catch! Fixed.

[Mayhem]

No problem. You guys keep inventing the products that allow a 275 up front as well as significant handling improvements, and I will keep proof reading the instructions for dumb typos.

[Mayhem]

So Anvil Auto makes deep inner fenderwells in carbon fiber. Not just beautiful either they fit wider tires.

from their website;
"Replace your steel originals with lightweight, smooth carbon fiber inner fenders. They are custom made to allow for more clearance in the outer lip area which allows for lowered suspension clearance and really makes an impression when your hood is open."

For Camaro, the website only lists 1969 but they also have 67-68 as well. Would love to know if someone with more money than me could try these out and report back specifically as it relates to the new tru turn system. It will be a stretch for me to afford a set plus california sales tax and shipping. Still gotta get wheels and brakes to finish mocking it all up.

[bret]

I'll see if they can whip out a set before the optima race...

[ProdigyCustoms]

See my install review here

https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?83413-Ride-Tech-True-Turn-and-Coil-Over-Conversion-Install-At-Prodigy-Customs&p=841165#post841165

[bill fadden]

Is there any time frame on fitting the tru turn system to afx spindles. there's a lot of potential customers waiting at their computers ready to order.

[darren@ridetech]

Compiling data right now. Should have the results ready next week!

[bret]

Tru Turn compatibility evaluation

In response to many requests to determine the compatibility of our new Tru Turn system with other manufacturer’s suspension components, we have gathered and evaluated some fitment and geometry data for the following combinations.
We realize fully that this does not cover all the possible combinations. It ONLY evaluates the most likely [and requested] combinations of the Tru Turn system with other manufacturers components. We did not evaluate any aftermarket combinations with the oem Camaro steering arm because it’s length and position typically prevents the use of the wider 10” width wheel, which has been a primary requirement of most customers.
It is very important to note that we have NOT evaluated other manufacturer’s COMPLETE systems. It is very possible that their complete systems will generate better geometry data than some of the [unintended] combinations we put together below.
THAT IS WHY WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU USE A COMPLETE ENGINEERED AND COMPATIBLE SYSTEM INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PIECE TOGETHER A SUSPENSION SYSTEM FROM SCRATCH!!
Most manufacturers should be able to give you this level of geometry evaluation on their own suspension systems.

Data summary:
Example A – This is a OEM spindle with an OEM steering arm…just like GM delivered it. The camber curve is nearly nonexistent, meaning that the tire will NOT lean into the turn as we would like. The toe variation @ .600” of toe IN during compression and total change @ .720” are both excessive.

Example B – This is the complete Tru Turn system as we engineered it, and as we would deliver it to a customer. The Tru Turn system shows 2.9 degrees of camber gain at a 2.5” compression position. It also shows a toe variation of only .070” [slightly over 1/16"] toe out and a total toe change of only .110” [less than 1/8"].

Example C – Substituting the SpeedTech ATS aluminum spindle within the Tru Turn system changes the camber curve little, but seems to make a dramatic increase in both max toe variation @ .540” and total toe change @ .800”.

Example D – Substituting the Heidt’s spindle in the Tru Turn system created geometry similar to example C only with even more toe variation and change.

Example E – Substituting the Heidt’s control arms for the RideTech arms did not significantly alter the geometry from example D.

Example F – Shimming the outer tie rod DOWN by .750” made a huge improvement. Max toe variation was .250”, and total toe change was .450”

Overall summary
These examples DO NOT tell us that other manufacturer’s components or systems are neccessarily inferior to the Tru Turn system. Instead they tell us that just because certain components will bolt up together, it does not necessarily mean that they will function properly together. Yes, your car will likely go down the road just fine for many years. No, a mismatched combination of parts will not offer “just as good” of handling performance as a complete system.
All the aftermarket examples showed a similar and significant improvement in camber gain. The differences seemed to be in the bumpsteer measurements. Bumpsteer is radically affected by the precise location of the various steering components. Different manufacturers will use slightly different locations for these components. When used as intended [as a complete system] they will achieve the intended goals. When combined with other [unknown] components, the end result may coincidently bolt together, but may not achieve the geometry that was originally intended.

Here is a link to more infomation on the complete Tru Turn system:

http://www.ridetech.com/store/musclecar/suspension-components-musclecar/tru-turn-en/

You will notice that there is some variation in the toe change data from this test to the info published on our website. This is because a bit different alignment settings were used that day...AND because it is quite difficult to measure toe to 3 decimal points over a 5 foot length.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/10/charttruturn-1.jpg

[Bryce]

Nice write up!

[Garymac69]

Hey Bret,

I will be installing the TruTurn in a few weeks. What is the best initial settings for Camber, Caster, Toe for a car that will see 3 or 4 Autocrosses a year?

Gary

[TheJDMan]

Bret,
Just a quick question. What tire pressures have you found work best front and rear on the 48 hour Camaro?

[bret]

Hey Bret,

I will be installing the TruTurn in a few weeks. What is the best initial settings for Camber, Caster, Toe for a car that will see 3 or 4 Autocrosses a year?

Gary

I play with that stuff a lot on my Camaro, but for a [mostly] street car...I'd start with about 1 degree of negative camber, 6-8 degrees of positive caster [or as much as you can feasibly get into it], and about 1/8" of toe in. Toe can really affect how the car turns in. I've run as much as .750 toe out on a slick track where I'm trying to get the frontend to bite. That will make the car wnader around a little on the highway, but the toe is not hard to change, even at the track.

[bret]

Bret,
Just a quick question. What tire pressures have you found work best front and rear on the 48 hour Camaro?

Ahh...the elusive magic tire pressure dust! Well...every car, and certainly every tire, likes a different air pressure. I TYPICALLY start with about 26 lbs front and rear, and then start dropping if I need to to get grip and/or to balance the car out for a particular track. On a really slick autocross track I've run as low as 20psi. Make some chalk marks on your sidewalls to see if you are rolling over on them through the turns. rim width, track surface, suspension geometry and alignment all make a difference when talking about optimum tire pressures.
I always check tire pressure before every run...heat makes a huge difference....sometimes as much as 6-8 psi if you get the ttires really hot. I have seen the serious guys run nitrogen...there is likely some benefit, but I'm just too lazy to do it :).

[67bird]

Correct me if I am wrong, but it almost appears as if you would need to make some steering arm changes to the other options to get the toe numbers in line with the tru-turn kit?

[BonzoHansen]

This is basically what your guy at your booth told me last week when I asked if the TruTurn would work with the Global West arms I already have. Made total sense to me


Overall summary
These examples DO NOT tell us that other manufacturer’s components or systems are neccessarily inferior to the Tru Turn system. Instead they tell us that just because certain components will bolt up together, it does not necessarily mean that they will function properly together. Yes, your car will likely go down the road just fine for many years. No, a mismatched combination of parts will not offer “just as good” of handling performance as a complete system.
All the aftermarket examples showed a similar and significant improvement in camber gain. The differences seemed to be in the bumpsteer measurements. Bumpsteer is radically affected by the precise location of the various steering components. Different manufacturers will use slightly different locations for these components. When used as intended [as a complete system] they will achieve the intended goals. When combined with other [unknown] components, the end result may coincidently bolt together, but may not achieve the geometry that was originally intended.

[ScottT]

I have Ridetech drop spindles, wilwood sl6 front brakes, and dpe 18X8 fronts, wan tto go up to 18X10 with 275-295. Will the Set up work with my brakes?

[darren@ridetech]

I have Ridetech drop spindles, wilwood sl6 front brakes, and dpe 18X8 fronts, wan tto go up to 18X10 with 275-295. Will the Set up work with my brakes?

Sure will. You will just need the kit w/o spindles. Will include steering arm, tie rod assemblies & drag link bracket.

[frojoe]

Bret,

Excuse my lack of steering measurement expertise, but at what location fore/aft of the spindle is the toe in/out measured? Is that max. 0.070" toe change at the edge of the tire tread, or at the rim lip, or at some arbirary distance X from the ball joints' axis on the spindle?

Thanks!
Joe

[68camotion]

Still having a hard time justifying this kit...

[marolf101x]

frojoe: We use this fancy measuring device to check bumpsteer (basically a "home made" version of the commercially available units out there):
54219

When the tires are on the car and the car is on the ground you can check toe with these simple plates (a lot of racing companies sell these):
54218


68camotion: If you want to fit a 10" wide wheel on the front of a first gen you only have a couple of choices 1-TruTurn; 2-new subframe. Since a new sub is many times the cost of the TruTurn it makes it much easier to justify.

[glr0212]

Does this kit clear headers? Specifically small block chevy headers? If so what brands/kits are most likely to fit?

[darren@ridetech]

Had a customer that had clearance issues with his Hooker Super Comp headers on his small block. He ended up using Dynatech headers.

[JEFFTATE]

Does this kit clear headers? Specifically small block chevy headers? If so what brands/kits are most likely to fit?

I am in the process of installing a TruTurn Steering System on my '69 Camaro .
It did not clear my Hooker Super Comp Headers on the passenger side . I swapped headers to a Summit Brand Header that was routed differently .
That wasn't a problem for me , because I had the wrong tube-size headers anyway and was looking to upgrade .
I think regular Hooker Headers will clear , but the Super Comps will not .

Here's where the inner tie rod end would interfere with the front lower header tube:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/cid__df36c64002e0443ea73ff299b4db168c_-1.jpg

Here's a comparison pic : Notice how the front lower header tube on the Summit Header is further back.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/012712001-1.jpg

[icemanrd19]

lets say you install this system, by a quality set of upper and lower control arms, coil overs, we are talking around $3000 right? Well you are still stuck with the gear box and in ability to bolt on c5/c6 brakes?

[bret]

lets say you install this system, by a quality set of upper and lower control arms, coil overs, we are talking around $3000 right? Well you are still stuck with the gear box and in ability to bolt on c5/c6 brakes?

StrongArms - upper and lower = $1,000
Tru Turn w/spindles = $1,000
Single adjustable coilovers = $650
Total = $2650

I would still recommend a good quick ration steering box, price likely around $400.

For brakes...look around on the Corvette forums for opinions on the oem Vette brakes. My personal experience in my C6 Z06 was that the brakes went away significantly after about 5-6 hard road course laps. My hotrods have Baer 13" rotors and 6 piston calipers on them...20 hard laps no fade at all. My 3650 lb. 66 Chevelle will stop from 60mph in 113 feet. An ABS equipped 3180 lb. C6 Z06 with PS2's takes about 118 ft. [This was all documented by Chevy Hi Performance Magazine last summer]. The point is, don't assume the C5/C6 stuff is necessarily the best thing out there. They would likely work great for autocross, but might fade on a heavy car on the road course.

[icemanrd19]

right now im just trying to figure out what i want to do. Either spend $3000-$3500 to have a badass stock subframe or 7k for a really badass dse unit. Im thinking i would like to save my $3500 towards something else but i dont want to sacrifice my overall build

[MrQuick]

I am in the process of installing a TruTurn Steering System on my '69 Camaro .
It did not clear my Hooker Super Comp Headers on the passenger side . I swapped headers to a Summit Brand Header that was routed differently .
That wasn't a problem for me , because I had the wrong tube-size headers anyway and was looking to upgrade .
I think regular Hooker Headers will clear , but the Super Comps will not .

Here's where the inner tie rod end would interfere with the front lower header tube:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/cid__df36c64002e0443ea73ff299b4db168c_-1.jpg

Here's a comparison pic : Notice how the front lower header tube on the Summit Header is further back.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/02/012712001-1.jpg

https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?82608-Installing-Tru-Turn/page2 heres that info Jeff.

[GeoffP]

I love the idea behind the Tru Turn system but wish there was a second spindle option with no drop built into the spindle itself since my car already has the Hotchkis TVS. I see the Tru Turn kit being a great gap filler to something Hotchkis doesn't address, bump steer. In my mind the lowest cost way to keep both the Hotchkis front springs and have the Tru Turn is to use a 1.5 to 2 inch spring spacer (not ideal). Does anyone have an opinion on installing a Tru Turn using spring spacers? Thanks!

[Chev67]

Bret

Any recommendations on the quick ratio box to use with the Tru Turn set up. Mine arrives Monday at Creative Rod and Kustom.

[BuzzKillian]

I love the idea behind the Tru Turn system but wish there was a second spindle option with no drop built into the spindle itself since my car already has the Hotchkis TVS. I see the Tru Turn kit being a great gap filler to something Hotchkis doesn't address, bump steer. In my mind the lowest cost way to keep both the Hotchkis front springs and have the Tru Turn is to use a 1.5 to 2 inch spring spacer (not ideal). Does anyone have an opinion on installing a Tru Turn using spring spacers? Thanks!

With a roughly 2:1 ratio on the Spring/Control Arm. You would only need a 1" spacer to maintain your current ride height.

[GeoffP]

That's not too bad - I'd consider doing it with just an inch spacer. I found that Global West makes aluminum coil spring spacers specifically for adjusting ride height. Thanks for the info.

[ScottT]

I have a stock front sub, speedtech upper and lowers, qa1 coil overs, ridetech spindles, and I am installing the rest of the tru turn kit. How wide of a tire can I use with the stock front sub, and also will it be helpful if i do the guldstrand mod or is the geometry better without?

[chevelletiger]

StrongArms - upper and lower = $1,000
Tru Turn w/spindles = $1,000
Single adjustable coilovers = $650
Total = $2650

I would still recommend a good quick ration steering box, price likely around $400.

For brakes...look around on the Corvette forums for opinions on the oem Vette brakes. My personal experience in my C6 Z06 was that the brakes went away significantly after about 5-6 hard road course laps. My hotrods have Baer 13" rotors and 6 piston calipers on them...20 hard laps no fade at all. My 3650 lb. 66 Chevelle will stop from 60mph in 113 feet. An ABS equipped 3180 lb. C6 Z06 with PS2's takes about 118 ft. [This was all documented by Chevy Hi Performance Magazine last summer]. The point is, don't assume the C5/C6 stuff is necessarily the best thing out there. They would likely work great for autocross, but might fade on a heavy car on the road course.

I thought baer brakes are still made by pbr,does baer use stainless pistons like the ones you can buy to upgrade c5/c6 calipers?i would think pbr/the oe has more$ in research and development then baer or wilwood.not dogging your experience or anything just thinking .phil

[Chev67]

What headers will clear the Tru Turn with an LS install?

[BuzzKillian]

These fit nice and clear th Tru Turn
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DOU-D3337/

[Chev67]

Thanks will add them to my shopping list.

[JEFFTATE]

I bought a set of Summit Brand ceramic coated headers .
They clear the Tru Turn steering linkage just fine .

[Chev67]

Here are some image of the TRUTurn system on the 48HOURCAMARO.
I know there has been some questions on LS oil pan clearance and also tire fitment.

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Was the motor located in the stock location and not shifted towards the firewall? I plan to use the Holley oil pan on my LS and want to make sure it clears on my 69.

Thanks

Jason

[bimmen325]

Has anyone used the true-turn with dynatech headers on an ls2 68 firebird?

[MrQuick]

That should be fine, from what I see the problem is with SBC headers. Most LSx headers feature the swept back pri pipe design.

[GeoffP]

I'm going to order a set of spindles once I get the answer to this: What was the seal solution with using the RideTech spindle with Wilwood hubs? My car has their 12.19 front kit with DynaPro 6 calipers. I'm going to "try" to setup my car with the preexisting Hotchkis TVS parts...1.5" drop already so I'm going to need to space the coil spring to offset some of the extra drop in the spindle. Looking at a .5" spacer made by SPC.

Thanks!!!

[darren@ridetech]

From what I understand the problem was with the direction in which the seal was installed.

[GeoffP]

I thought there was a different part number seal that didn't have a flanged lip so it could be installed backwards? I am not sure but I think the seals that came with my hubs are flanged where they can't be installed backwards. I will have to disassemble one to see though since I did it 2-3 years ago.

[GeoffP]

I ordered anyway through Jegs - gonna give them a try. I wanted to buy the whole Tru Turn kit but $$$ just won't allow that right now. Hopefully I can buy the rest of the pieces this time next year! It should still be a big improvement over the stock spindle...can't wait to get my baby back on the road with the new LS1/T56.

[darren@ridetech]

Good deal. If you have any questioins just let us know. Thanks!

[Rick D]

Just wondering if I can use the Tru Turn with the DSE coil over conversion set up? I have not installed them but I am getting ready to so if it won't then I need to change a few things. I'm sure you can't tell for sure but if you know that it is a bad idea. Thanks for the help.

[darren@ridetech]

Haven't tried it yet.

[bret]

Just wondering if I can use the Tru Turn with the DSE coil over conversion set up? I have not installed them but I am getting ready to so if it won't then I need to change a few things. I'm sure you can't tell for sure but if you know that it is a bad idea. Thanks for the help.

As Darren said, we have not specifically tried that combination, but I don't see why there would be a problem. I assume that you are talking about the DSE system that cuts out the oem upper shock mount and inserts a bracket to use an eye mount shock instead of the stud mount shock like we use? As long as teh oem upper control arm location is not molested you should be fine.

[darren@ridetech]

Ah, i thought you were referring to using their arms and such. If it's just the upper shock mount that changed then it shoulddn't be a problem.

[Rick D]

As Darren said, we have not specifically tried that combination, but I don't see why there would be a problem. I assume that you are talking about the DSE system that cuts out the oem upper shock mount and inserts a bracket to use an eye mount shock instead of the stud mount shock like we use? As long as teh oem upper control arm location is not molested you should be fine.


Ah, i thought you were referring to using their arms and such. If it's just the upper shock mount that changed then it shoulddn't be a problem.

Cool, yes just the upper shock mount. Well it is the upper control arm and shock mount. Other then that I want to use the rest of the Ride Tech Tru Turn set up. How do go about measuring for the Ride Tech shocks, I want to run the on all 4 corners? Also what did you use on the 48 hour Camaro for the upper shock mount? Thanks guys!

[Bad94]

As Darren said, we have not specifically tried that combination, but I don't see why there would be a problem. I assume that you are talking about the DSE system that cuts out the oem upper shock mount and inserts a bracket to use an eye mount shock instead of the stud mount shock like we use? As long as teh oem upper control arm location is not molested you should be fine.

Bret you are talking about the ATS upper mount, i have that on my nova. The DSE upper mount set up, you cut the factory upper a arm mount off and install a new upper control arm mount. The new DSE mount holes are dropped about 5/8 or 3/4". so with the upper control arm mount dropped and tall spindle wont you have a bunch of neg camber gain?

ATS upper mount
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DSE upper mount
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As for DSE control arms. i have DSE control arms,ATS upper coilover mount with the tru turn, but i had DSE coilovers(double adjustable, and to fit them i had to modify them) and switched to Ridetech coilovers(and when i went to Ridetech's i had to make new spacers)

If you dont have control arms and your looking at the tru turn, just buy the Ridetech arms, then everything is made to work together. I had the arms and made them work.

[nicks67camaro]

This looks like a great product and an easy way to upgrade my factory spindles. Is there a template available to verify fitment with headers? I am running a gen1 SBC with the Headmen Hustler 1 7/8" primary tubes and was concerned about fitment.

Thanks

[Vicinity]

This looks like a great product and an easy way to upgrade my factory spindles. Is there a template available to verify fitment with headers? I am running a gen1 SBC with the Headmen Hustler 1 7/8" primary tubes and was concerned about fitment.

Thanks

From the pictures I've seen, if the headers are farther back than the drop in the oil pan, you're PROBABLY safe. Mine should be here this week, I plan to review it and give some measurements to help identify what headers will fit if one of the Ridetech guys don't beat me to it.

[GeoffP]

What learned installing the RideTech spindles last night:

1. For Wilwood brakes - make sure you kept the upper brake bracket spacer and the longer bolt supplied in your Wilwood kit. You'll need it!
2. Turning the seal backwards is mandatory. In fact, looking at my factory spindles, I probably should've turned it backwards for them too. It was sealing right at the edge of the sealing surface.
3. Fit and finish are great! I had ZERO problems.

Also, I wanted to say thanks for including the necessary bolts and cotter pins to make the swap. This small detail made all the difference in the world. I was most especially pleased to see a bolt in the bag for the adapter bracket meant for Wilwood and Baer brake setups. Thanks RideTech - you guys definitely have my future business for suspension parts!

One last thing - how about producing a lower strong arm for 1st gen Camaros that uses the factory style spring? I want to keep my Hotchkis springs - I'm not a fan of coil overs (maybe I can be convinced otherwise but not right now).

Thanks!!

[DarkoNova]

Bump for a template to check header fitment.

And a quick question. I've got the Hotchkis 2" drop springs, will those springs and the drop from this kit be too much?

I love low, but I don't want to make sparks every time I go over a speedbump...

[GeoffP]

I can answer the quick question about your springs with the RideTech spindles: Yes it will be too low unless you have done mods to your fender wells. I put a 1/2" coil spring spacer under my Hotchkis coils with the RideTech spindles - it put the ride height spot on where a 245/45-17 tucks just about level with the wheel opening. I didn't have any rubbing problems on the track or autocross at RTOS. I haven't noticed any more rubbing than I already had previously except if I miss dodging a pot hole.

[Tony1968]

Would you happen to have a part # for the Summit headers that will work with the tru-turn system?

[Bad94]

I have the Dynatech 1 3/4- 1 7/8 stepped headers on my small block and they clear the tru turn. They also fit the T56.

[67redrocket]

Why is there a tru turn kit for the 64-66 mustang and not for the 67-70? What is the difference?

[darren@ridetech]

We have had the upper and Lower StrongArms for the 67-70 Mustangs for several years. That kit did incorporate the dropped cross shaft, but it used the stock spindles and steering components.

[bret]

The Tru Turn for the earlier 64-66 Mustang incorporates the StrongArm tubular control arms [with a dropped cross shaft], a taller RideTech spindle to optimize camber gain and ackerman, and a drag link bracket that eliminates bumpsteer. The current system for the 67-70 Mustang uses the StrongArms, but interfaces with the oem Mustang spindle and makes no changes in the steering geometry. When we do the actual Tru Turn for the 67-70 Mustang it will incorporate all the extra features of the 64-66 Mustang Tru Turn system.
Having said all that, our current StrongArm system for the 67-70 Mustang works quite well with the TCP rack system that will allow you to optimize the bumpsteer. We have not yet worked with any other rack system out there.
My own 69 Mustang has our off the shelf StrongArm system with TA series ShockWaves and a TCP power rack. It drives and handles quite well...some might say a bit beyond that :).
The reason that we have not yet done an actual Tru Turn system for the 67-70 Mustang is that the spindle/steering arm [and aftermarket brake options] are much better than the earlier cars and do not impose the handling compromises of the earlier cars. There are improvements to be made, just not the huge ones that the earlier cars need.

But...we will be doing an actual Tru Turn system for the 67-70 Mustang in the next 12 months. It will incorporate the RideTech spindle and steering geometry improvements of the earlier Mustang system to make those 67-70 cars even better!

[67redrocket]

Thank you RideTech guys :)

[JEFFTATE]

Would you happen to have a part # for the Summit headers that will work with the tru-turn system?

What car , what engine ???

[MCB Matt]

We have had major success with the Tru Turn...thanks to Ridetech for putting out a great, yet simple system that makes a HUGE difference on the F bodys!!!

Matt

[Tony1968]

If you are running a 168 tooth flywheel the Dynatech 1 3/4" tube headers will not work. they will not clear the starter. several different 1 5/8" headers will work with a more swept back design than the super-comps.

[GeoffP]

Any chance the TruTurn installed pictures can be reposted? It appears they've been pulled down. I was hoping to look them over since I'm getting pretty serious about ordering some RideTech parts very soon.

[Bad94]

Any chance the TruTurn installed pictures can be reposted? It appears they've been pulled down. I was hoping to look them over since I'm getting pretty serious about ordering some RideTech parts very soon.

What kinda pic would you like to see? I have it on my car, and can get pics for you.

[eric1967]

What kinda pic would you like to see? I have it on my car, and can get pics for you.

What size wheel & tire are you running?
Thanks Eric

[GeoffP]

I was looking for the pictures that RideTech had posted of the 48 Hour Camaro in this thread. I wanted to get a look at the location of the tie rod with the new steering arms to make sure my Wilwood calipers aren't going to have any clearance issues.

[Bad94]

What size wheel & tire are you running?
Thanks Eric
Im running a 18x9.5 with a 275.



I was looking for the pictures that RideTech had posted of the 48 Hour Camaro in this thread. I wanted to get a look at the location of the tie rod with the new steering arms to make sure my Wilwood calipers aren't going to have any clearance issues.

I will get some pics of the steering arm for you.

[Richio1]

Anybody running the TT kit with Doug's 368 long tube headers? Any clearance issues?

[GeoffP]

Thanks!

[MCB Matt]

Black friday specials on Ridetech...just PM

Thanks
MCB

[Chev67]

Any chance the TruTurn installed pictures can be reposted? It appears they've been pulled down. I was hoping to look them over since I'm getting pretty serious about ordering some RideTech parts very soon.

I have TT with Dynatech headers on a TSP LS3 and a T56. We had to put spacers under the frame motor mounts but the headers cleared the TT. I used S&P conversion plates with energy suspension mounts. I had ATS plates but S&P plates raised the motor up more. I am running 18x9.5 wheels with 265s. I will post pics once the wheels are mounted.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2012/12/F5B643553F1D42CBA978E52AE64B9EE054300000-1.jpg

[MCB Matt]

I have one set of spindles left. They are supposed to come in at the first of the year last i heard.

Great pics! Clean!

Matt

[Richio1]

Pulled the trigger on the complete kit with spindles to replace the Heidts I had bought. Went to the shop today and found out the Doug's headers I have won't work. The pitman arm hits one of the tubes on the driver side header when turned to the left. No big deal, just need to cut the turned and have the header re coated.

Will say the kit is top notch.


Anybody running the TT kit with Doug's 368 long tube headers? Any clearance issues?

[toofun]

Pulled the trigger on the complete kit with spindles to replace the Heidts I had bought. Went to the shop today and found out the Doug's headers I have won't work. The pitman arm hits one of the tubes on the driver side header when turned to the left. No big deal, just need to cut the turned and have the header re coated.

Will say the kit is top notch.

Funny you said that, I had the SAME exact problem with my Dougs headers.. Good news/Bad news... Bad news is your gonna have to get new headers since trying to dimple them wont work cause you'd have to just about crush it.. Good news is there is plenty of info on here of the type and kind of step headers you can replace them with. If I can get the part number of the one I used I will send it over. Also, Dougs headers are GREAT and you should have no problem selling them off for a good price to offset the cost.

Either way it is a small price to pay for this kit. I have 265's up front with no fender mods on a 9 inch rim though and ridetech stuff front and back. The car handles unbelievable and looks sick with the big meats up front and 335's out back. Well worth it!

[Richio1]

Yeah if you can find what you went with that would be helpful. I know the Dynatech headers work. I am running a SBC not an LS set up like most of the postings that I have read through.

Our initial thought is to just cut the tube that is interfering and weld in a new one, then have that header recoated. I have a buddy with a powder coating oven at his house so it should be cheaper and less hassle than buying new headers and selling the Doug's.

I also have a set of Hedman shorty (mid length) headers that I haven't tried yet. I was running them with my automatic tranny and now that I am going manual, Summit notes say they won't work with the Z bar. I will have to check.

[eric1967]

Is anybody using Stainless Works Ls headers with the TrueTurn? If so what mounts are you using?

[v8s only]

Is anybody using Stainless Works Ls headers with the TrueTurn? If so what mounts are you using?

Im using stainles works ls heathers truturn speed tech control arms and autokraft motor mounts and oil pan.fits perfect

[DJW32]

Can you guys repost the pictures please? Thanks

[DJW32]

Here are some image of the TRUTurn system on the 48HOURCAMARO.
I know there has been some questions on LS oil pan clearance and also tire fitment.

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Can you guys repost the pictures please?

[darren@ridetech]

Got a load of spindles in yesterday!!!

[darren@ridetech]

Image links are fixed.

[Rod]

how about with the "G" mod?

I would use the G-mod with the ridetech system, but they are using a very tall spindle and that creates a better control arm geometry, testing will tell

[frojoe]

frojoe: We use this fancy measuring device to check bumpsteer (basically a "home made" version of the commercially available units out there):
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Thanks for that info Britt..

Couple more questions.. what is the width of that plate (looks to be maybe 14" wide)? Just trying to get a grasp for the distance of the bumpsteer measurement to the spindle's balljoint axis.. Also, is the 0.0XX" bumpsteer measurement between both sides (overall change in toe) or only for 1 side (measured from some central plane in the middle of the car)?

Thanks again!
joe

[MCB Matt]

Yes!!!! Spindles!!!!!

[GeoffP]

Let's drag this forward to see if anyone knows whether or not a 17x9.5 wheel clears the steering arm or if an 18" wheel is necessary to clear the steering arm. I see from RideTech's pic's that the arm is up inside the wheel so I'm concerned that a 17" wheel won't fit. I don't have anything to try since I sold my ROH 17's already - hoping to get some quick help on this since I really want to order wheels tomorrow. If it clears, I'm thinking a 17x9.5 with 5.75" backspacing should work just fine on the front. I'm still not sure what to order for the back with a stock width rear axle. I know I definitely don't want to exceed 9.5-10" wide on the rear without the tubs installed.

Thanks!!

[G_skillz81]

Can someone please elaborate on the issues with Wilwood brakes mentioned on the other page? I have the TruTurn (along with the complete level 2 airride package) coming in for my 68 Camaro. this is what I currently have upfont




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Now,since I have bought the car from a reseller here, already built I do not know which kit this is - the rotors are 12.2" ...nor do I have any accessories or mounting bolts that came with the original Wilwood kit. Is there anything I should go ahead and order now? since I am overseas and if during Iassembly I find that something isn't working out it will be at least 2-3 weeks before I can get the necessary parts shipped here.

thanks.
Greg

[GeoffP]

Greg - look at the caliper bracket where it bolts to the spindle. There are two bolts - the top bolt mounting point is different from drum to disc brake spindles. If your car has drum spindles, you'll need to call Wilwood and source the necessary spacer and longer upper mounting bolt. If your car has disc spindles then the RideTech spindles are a direct swap.

Disregard my question about 17x9.5's fitting over the steering arm - I bought 18x9.5" wheels today but thanks anyway!

[duvall408w]

I have a 70 nova with the tru turn just trying .I purchased a autokraft pan. What mounts are people using to give enough space to get clearance between pan and tru turn. Thanks

[Stovebolter]

I've posted this elsewhere as well. Just hoping for some real world thoughts on this.

Yeah I know, it's probable been answered but I've been looking through posts for days and don't feel like I can wrap my mind around the entire thing.

My 69 Camaro should be delivered this Saturday and I would like to get started with the order process. I could just go to the many great reps here with Ridetech but I was hoping to get everyone's thoughts and impressions as well.

I'll most likely be going with True Forged 18x10s front and 18x12s rear.

#1. I like the Tru Turn system but want more than the suggested 2" drop up front. Prefer the tires tucked under the fenders and realize I may have to go with 9.5s. At the very least I'm wanting 3" of drop. Which leads me to the question. I'm centering the entire suspension around the Tru Turn as a system. I'll get the Tru Turn system (including tall spindles), muscle bar, and the Strong Arm UCAs/LCAs. Why couldn't I add the Chicane kit, or my own top hat, to allow the use of standard coil overs with spherical rod ends top and bottom. Then I could use a long coil over with the same suggested suspension travel and mount it deeper up top. I also realize the LCA may no longer be parallel with the ground (if it is at all) and would slightly alter the intended design, but with the improved design RideTech engineered into this system through the suspension travel, would another inch of drop really alter it that much? I've even considered going as far as channeling the front subframe into the floor pan to give more drop. And air suspension isn't the route I want to go. These are still designed at a specific ride height.

#2. I want to go with the Kore3 14" C6 ZO6 brakes. It's my understanding that aftermarket systems designed to work on the factory GM disc brake spindle will work with the tall RideTech spindles. Do I have to get the Kore3 kit for tall GM spindles http://kore3.com/proddetail.php?prod=10104-03 or the short kit http://kore3.com/proddetail.php?prod=10103-03? Has anyone installed the Kore3 kit on the RideTech spindles? The reason I ask is I found a thread ( https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?88778-Tru-Turn-System-with-Stock-Control-Arms )where Jeff Tate ran into issues installing aftermarket brakes on these spindles and the mounting bolts protruded beyond the spindle flat surface. The answer was to machine a nut down thinner to allow clearance to the rotor. Will I have the same issue with the Kore3 kit.....spindle surface to rotor surface clearance? If I have to go with the tall spindle which outer wheel bearing i.d.?

Many of you guys have been there and done that. Was hoping for some real world input.

I'll get a project journal started and document any improvements as I go for the next guy.

Thanks,
David

[DarkoNova]

I'd say talk to Tobin at Kore3. I went from ATS tall spindles to the Tru Turn kit and had to get the Short Spindle kit to mount my C5 brakes. Didn't have to do any trimming to any of the hardware.

And I'm using it with my Hotchkis 2" drop coil springs, so I was tucking tire like you want. I had no compression, though. I had to add coil spring spacers to get some clearance between the tire and inner fender.

[Stovebolter]

Thanks Matt. Makes sense.

David

[BuzzKillian]

Not to speak for Jeff, the Issue he had (and the issue I had) was with the stock Disc brakes. The nut that holds the steering arm hit the discs.

I don't think you will have a problem with the Kore3 brakes. The offset on the rotor doesn't appear to be as great and they are larger in diameter.

[Stovebolter]

Thanks everyone. I'm looking forward to this. It's been awhile.

David

[DarkoNova]

Thanks Matt. Makes sense.

David

I have a thread in the suspension forum somewhere. I know brownz was asking for pictures of the car with the Tru-Turn kit on Hotchkis coils to see how low it was. I took pictures with my phone but never uploaded them. I'll try to do that and update the thread.

[Ryan67camaro]

Has anybody had any figment issues with hooker long tube ls conversion headers?

[MrQuick]

yes, they don't work together.

sell them and buy new headers. Your steering box will thank you too.

https://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?91323-1-3-4-quot-Dynatech-headers-with-Ridetech-tru-turn-steering-system-on-f-body-!!!!!

[GeoffP]

I intentionally used Hooker LS conversion headers on my car to fit the Tru Turn because the 48 Hour Camaro has them so I'm not sure why you say that Hooker headers don't work. The thread you posted is about Dynatech headers - they definitely won't work without modifications. Not trying to be a smart butt just trying to avoid mis-information.

[Ryan67camaro]

So they actually do work just fine Geoffp?

[GeoffP]

Yessir they are on my car and they work just fine with no clearance issues.

[Ryan67camaro]

Awesome!! Thank you good sir

[GeoffP]

Glad to help! There are some pictures in this thread of the 48 Hour car that would interest you.

[MrQuick]

sorry guys, i missed the ls part in your post ryan. thanks

maybe i should stop posting after 10pm. my brain seems to go to mush.

[paulk68]

Has any one fitted this using a 427 big block? wondering what headers work with this system. thank you

[brownz]

Would anyone know if these shorty headers will work with the tru turn? I have the stock 307 and I need exhaust but not sure if these will work. I dont think a shorty header will be a problem but thought I would ask before I purchase http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hed-68600

Thanks

[MCB Matt]

Shortys should work great, much more clearance/exh routing options

Matt

[brownz]

Shortys should work great, much more clearance/exh routing options

Matt

Thanks Matt

I will be contacting you for another order soon!

Brandon

[MCB Matt]

Thanks Matt

I will be contacting you for another order soon!

Brandon


Ok Brandon, thanks!
Matt

[stinga]

Sorry if this has been asked before but does the tru turn kit integrate ok with the DSE Speed kit 2 (coilover conversion)?
Cheers Al

[Rod]

Sorry if this has been asked before but does the tru turn kit integrate ok with the DSE Speed kit 2 (coilover conversion)?
Cheers Al

yes It will work with the DSE speed 2 kit I used it for a short time with the DSE arms and a coil over setup

[67redrocket]

Is it possible to use the trueturn spindles together with the ridetech strong arms(LCA and UCA) on a 69-70 Mustang? THere is no kit for the 69-70 mustangs

[Rod]

Is it possible to use the trueturn spindles together with the ridetech strong arms(LCA and UCA) on a 69-70 Mustang? THere is no kit for the 69-70 mustangs

I don't know if its necessary, the kit is made to reduce bump steering on the early cars, maybe the later model Mustangs don't have the same problems of bump steering, sorta like the Camaros 67-69 had crazy bump steer and the 70 up camaros had very little so its not needed

[Damn True]

Question for the ride-tech guys.

Is it possible that the toe change numbers are flipped in this chart for column C?

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[bret]

No, that looks about right. Column C is intended to show that even a collection of fine components, if not specifically engineered to work together, MAY not yeild the results you intended. There is nothing wrong with that ATS spindle, its a finely engineered component. BUT we did not build the Tru Turn system around the ATS spindle, we built it around our RideTech spindle. Thats why we include a lot of this type of detailed explanation on the website below that chart. http://www.ridetech.com/store/tru-turn/

[medici78]

What steering box are folks using with this setup?

[MCB Matt]

We typically like to setup the DSE Delphi box with the Tru Turn ....We have had the best performance from doing it this way, however, even a rebulit, quick ratio stock box will get the job done just fine....

Matt

[medici78]

Thanks, Matt.
Also, is there any consensus on tire size and wheel backspacing for 68-72 Nova? We called the Ridetech tech line to see what they recommend so I could get the ball rolling on ordering my rims but the tech said they weren't allowed to make any recommendations on wheel size or backspacing as they only had experience with Camaros. This was not the response we expected after spending $5k+ on the whole setup...

[MCB Matt]

Thanks, Matt.
Also, is there any consensus on tire size and wheel backspacing for 68-72 Nova? We called the Ridetech tech line to see what they recommend so I could get the ball rolling on ordering my rims but the tech said they weren't allowed to make any recommendations on wheel size or backspacing as they only had experience with Camaros. This was not the response we expected after spending $5k+ on the whole setup...

PM sent, we will get you setup!
Thanks
Matt

[Rod]

Thanks, Matt.
Also, is there any consensus on tire size and wheel backspacing for 68-72 Nova? We called the Ridetech tech line to see what they recommend so I could get the ball rolling on ordering my rims but the tech said they weren't allowed to make any recommendations on wheel size or backspacing as they only had experience with Camaros. This was not the response we expected after spending $5k+ on the whole setup...

ummm? OK I don't know about that, but I don't know what was said, I will say a Nova has a little smaller well, but the main reason that I wouldn't recommend a back space is I would need more information, for example I need to know what brakes your using, what hub your using, what control arms your using, what body bushing are you using, what size wheel are you going to run, what sway bar you have all just for starters, we can GUESS from there, but its a ROUGH GUESS and then we need to measure the assembly on the car to achieve maximum width for performance

[medici78]

ummm? OK I don't know about that, but I don't know what was said, I will say a Nova has a little smaller well, but the main reason that I wouldn't recommend a back space is I would need more information, for example I need to know what brakes your using, what hub your using, what control arms your using, what body bushing are you using, what size wheel are you going to run, what sway bar you have all just for starters, we can GUESS from there, but its a ROUGH GUESS and then we need to measure the assembly on the car to achieve maximum width for performance
I think certain items were not in the conversation, as it was my tech that called.
PM sent.

[bret]

The 68-74 Nova will use the same 18x10 with a5.75 backspace that we recommend for the 67-69 Camaros. This is a max fitment, feel free to use anything smaller. Also feel free to measure your own car to double check that recommendation if you are using other suspension components in addition to / instead of a complete Tru Turn system.
In general, I discourage our guys from making a specific wheel fitment recommendations because we can never get all the accurate data needed to make such a recommendation. Even with the Tru Tirn system many people insist on using their own recipe of components that proper wheel fitment can be elusive. As has been pointed out in other threads, there is no substitution for measuring your own car.
I happen to know that this wheel dimension will work on the Nova because I personally installed the wheels of the 48 Hour Camaro on Dan Ballards Nova at RTTH 3 years ago so he could make some runs to see how the system worked.

[BBC71Nova]

Personally I would mockup the kit and then rent/borrow/make a wheel fitment too or similar to try and figure it out that way. Waaaay too many variables and ending up with incorrect custom wheels gets expensive fast. Also what someone else may tolerate, e.g. rubbing, limited turn radius, you may not. I have similar setup on mocked up on my Nova and I'm only running an 8" wheel with the max backspace VWW could possibly get on the wheel. I still think my setup is tight and interferes with the fender lip when compressed while turning. I've eyeballed others that run them without issue so I think it will be fine but it absolutely would rub or worse under the correct bump/turn conditions.