Is a 20/22 stagger too much for my 73 Camaro

[CallMeCooper]

I've got a line on a sweet deal on some coy's 20" front 22" rear but I just dont know if thats gonna be too much for my 73 Camaro.. Its got 17s on it now and the new tires are the same size as my 17s so I know they'll fit.. And I like the big look but is 22 too big?? Has anyone seen this combo on a similar car?? Thanks for the help..

[CRead01]

Wheel size is one of those things that is so hard to say what looks good without taking the rest of the car into consideration. Personally I think 20's are too big but I have seen some 2nd gens pull it off very nicely with the stance and attitude of the rest of the car. but if you like it.... do it.

[wmhjr]

Personally, I think 22's belong on tractor trailers and John Deere tractors, but that's just me.

[aronhk_md]

I dont like staggered sizes personally on anything. I also dont like anything over 18-19 inches. I have yet to see that anything over those sizes benefits in handling, but I HAVE seen how the rubber bands they call tires on the larger wheels destroy the ride of a vehicle. I imagine they make it pretty tough on every joint in the car (I think squeaks in your dash, or any other location, if they existed before will increase, and new ones will show up), and anything hard mounted as well. I'd personally hate to drive a car with 22's on a regular basis. Make sure you drive with your mouth open so your teeth dont contact each other......and dont get your tongue in between them.

Forgot to mention that when you go to replace those tires.......OUCH. The price will make you choke.

[zx10intn]

i love the idea, forget what everyone says, if YOU like it, believe me, when you look back at the money spent, it better be what YOU want and not from the opinion of anyone on a forum

[parsonsj]

i love the idea, forget what everyone says, if YOU like it, believe me, when you look back at the money spent, it better be what YOU want and not from the opinion of anyone on a forumCooper asked our opinion. It's the very essence of what forums are all about.

18" is the biggest wheel that can be justified for performance, to support 14" rotors. And 14" rotors are something that very few people will find themselves ever needing. Anything bigger than 18" is purely an aesthetic consideration, and a considerable performance degradation, both in acceleration and braking.

jp

[aronhk_md]

I agree........if he had posted...."hey guys, here's my new wheels" I wouldnt have posted what I did. But he asked for opinion. On that note, I also have to agree with zx10 to a large extent. Its YOUR car, and if you like them.....what the hell? Go for it. I like this place because everyone is entitled to an opinion and they dont really get bashed for it. Thats RARE in online forums, especially with the competitive nature of pro-touring type guys. Glad I found PT.com.

[srh3trinity]

I have 20's on my Trailblazer and wouldn't go any bigger and I have plenty of tire on them. Other than what has been mentioned above about small tires, bad ride, staggered wheels etc. For me, you would have to have huge brakes to fill the wheel up (and for the performance standpoint, that is a lot of rotational mass).

[SR71]

if you have 2" of wheel diameter stagger, you need AT LEAST 2" of tire diameter stagger. it looks dumb if your rear sidewalls are shorter than your front sidewalls.

[jy211]

If that's what your into go for it! I have a 18/20 staggard set up on my 56' and in my opinion I need bigger. a 20/22 combo would be sweet. However what is the overall use that the car will see? Street driving? Are you going to track the car?

[69camaro505]

Cooper asked our opinion. It's the very essence of what forums are all about.

18" is the biggest wheel that can be justified for performance, to support 14" rotors. And 14" rotors are something that very few people will find themselves ever needing. Anything bigger than 18" is purely an aesthetic consideration, and a considerable performance degradation, both in acceleration and braking.

jp

I've heard the argument for 18" wheels. Do the engineers for the Corvette ZR1, Lamborghini and Ferrari really sacrifice performance for aesthetics as there newest models use 20" wheels?

[zx10intn]

let me clear up what i said, because after i read it, it almost seemed like a jab and it definitely was not, sorry if anyone took it that way. all i was saying is that if you think a 20/22 would look good to you and what you are trying to achieve, DO IT!! a lot of it will be based on what you use the car for, as an example, i use my 69 chevelle mostly for cruising and show, so i actually run a 20/22 setup. now as mentioned, if you were wanting to do a lot of track and events, and your score was important to you, might not be the best possible setup. if you were just going to tinker around at a event or two for fun and werent particularly concerned with your score, just wanted to hang out and have fun, then it wouldnt matter if the wheels helped max out your performance. in the end, go with what looks/works best in your eye and for your uses. good luck, picking out the right wheels can be a huge task and take forever LOL

[parsonsj]

Do the engineers for the Corvette ZR1, Lamborghini and Ferrari really sacrifice performance for aesthetics as their newest models use 20" wheels?Yes.

Though some of the high end models have gone to 15" rotors (my Z06 has 380 mm Brembos which require 19" wheels).

jp

[2blownstangs]

IMO the 20/22 combo looks right on alot of mid sized type muscles and sports cars. For me, it's all in the tire size (profile) and the offsets/backspacing that you are running. What type of suspension set-up are you planning? Are you tubbing at all? Get us abit more info on your thoughts about how you want the car to sit. I think that the stance of the Camaro will be key.

[Samckitt]

Personally I think 20 is too big for a car. I have 17s on my Monte, & wouldn't go any bigger than 18s on the back.

[BonzoHansen]

I only reply as we were asked. I don't slag on what other people want to do, it's their $$ and their car so do what you want. That said...


Cooper asked our opinion. It's the very essence of what forums are all about.

18" is the biggest wheel that can be justified for performance, to support 14" rotors. And 14" rotors are something that very few people will find themselves ever needing. Anything bigger than 18" is purely an aesthetic consideration, and a considerable performance degradation, both in acceleration and braking.

jp

This. All you need to see is the V6 2010 outskidpads the V8 car. To me wheel girth became an issue.

Aesthetically I think anything over 18" on a 2nd gen normally looks disproportionate to the rest of the car. The new camaro can use big wheels because they designed the rest of that tugboat around those big wheels, so proportionately they fit.

What kind of brakes are you going to use to even start to fill up 20" or 22" rims? IMO nothing looks worse than big open areas. Like s18s & drums.

[JAWSS]

Do what makes you happy. If you have never driven a car with 22's on it and "rubberband" tires, how would you know what the ride feels like? Pesonally I have, on side streets, highways and back country roads. I have all of my teeth in tact without leaving my mouth wide open. If you tune your suspension well you will not rattle and clatter your teeth. The tires on the 22's I HAVE only cost $500 for all four shipped. Another $125 for them to be mounted at discount tire. They are a 255/30 22 tires. There are no parts falling off my Monte SS. I have been rolling them since 2007 without an issue. All the Monte SS guys know who I am and one member on here has actually gone for a ride in my car. No complaints and he has all of his teeth too. lol


Above all build your car for YOU. Opinions are like....everyone has one.

J

[Derek69SS]

Yes it's too much. It's too much for any car IMHO.

You can do it if you like it, but I'll still think it's ugly... just one man's honest opinion.

[muthstryker]

DO IT!! Make sure enough wheel is tucking in the rear though, it will look badass!!!

And for you guys saying the ride is terrible my truck rides and handles better with bigger wheels and smaller tires then it does on 15s with a 245/55/15 tire. It depends on the suspension set up and shocks.

[muthstryker]

Oh and get some 14inch brakes as well!

[wmhjr]

A 20/22 combo is clearly a compromise. Asthetics for those who like the look vs reduced performance, handling and ride. Just as too small a wheel/tire combo will reduce performance and ride, so will too large. Comparisons to back up claims need to have equal quality. A 14" wheel/tire with S03s will totally outhandle a 17" combo with some cheaper lower performance but good looking low profile tire. Believe me, I've been there. To me, that large evokes visions of the car hopping up and down on hydraulics. Not my taste. But there are those who don't like my cars styling either. It's your car to do what you want with. But let's at least be open about the sacrifice to performance and handling.

Personally, I'd love it if some enterprising shop would do some true comparisons to finally but this wagon wheel performance issue to bed. Like 17" vs 18" vs 20" vs 22" using similar wheels, same model tires, on the same car, at the same track and skid pad, on the same day. Seems pretty simple to me, though. If really large wheels were really as good, we wouldn't see every darned race car there is with wheels just large enough to fit the braking system they needed to support. We all make decisions that are somewhat a compromise (except maybe Stielow, Rupp and a handful of others). It would be real nice to be able to point to measurable data rather than comparing pickup trucks, tricycles and mopeds :)

[parsonsj]

And for you guys saying the ride is terrible my truck rides and handles better with bigger wheels and smaller tires then it does on 15s with a 245/55/15 tire.Who said that? No one in this thread.

I did say that larger wheels adversely affect performance, for both acceleration and braking. That's a hard fact, and no amount of suspension setup or shock tuning will change it. You can't argue with physics: Mr. MOI wants his part of the pie when you put bigger wheels on a car.

jp

[justasquid]

I did say that larger wheels adversely affect performance, for both acceleration and braking. That's a hard fact, and no amount of suspension setup or shock tuning will change it. You can't argue with physics: Mr. MOI wants his part of the pie when you put bigger wheels on a car.



^^^ THIS ^^^ On my daily driver, i have a set of winter tires and wheels and summers. My summers are 18's, my winters are 16's. There is a huge difference in the amount of power it takes to get going, and to stop with the 18's. the tires are the same dia and width, the only difference is the rim dia. In fact, the 18's feel a bit lighter, (never weighed them, but changing them out, they feel lighter) but with that mass of the rim out further, it makes a huge difference. With only 200hp, I can really feel it. If your pumping out a lot of hp, you may not notice as much, but the difference is real.

As for how it will look. Its hard to say. but for opinions sake, I'd say it no. I really don't like the staggered look, no matter what size you with. If you were into hotwheels as a kid, and the look is something you like, then go for it. Personally, I'd stick with 18's max, and thats from a visual standpoint. Anything more than that and it looks funny to me. But, it also depends on the wheel style as well. I've noticed the larger the dia, the wider the wheel needs to be to keep that ballanced look. You can so large in dia, that a 10 inch wide wheel looks like a pizza cutter. They have to be ballanced to look right.

[formula]

Look I'll just say it--That's gonna be way too much wheel to look good. 18s look good on a 2nd gen. 19s look big. 20s look massive. 22s look preposterous.

This coming from someone with 19s on his car. I wish on a regular basis they were 18s, but forgeline doesn't cut these wheels in anything less than 19.

[parsonsj]

the only difference is the rim dia. In fact, the 18's feel a bit lighter, (never weighed them, but changing them out, they feel lighter) but with that mass of the rim out further, it makes a huge difference. With only 200hp, I can really feel it. If your pumping out a lot of hp, you may not notice as much, but the difference is real.Yep. I've said this elsewhere but a very general rule of thumb is that in the range from 17" to 20" each additional inch of wheel diameter feels like adding 50 lbs to your car's weight. Per wheel. So in your car the 18" wheels are like driving around with another 400 lbs ((18-16)*4*50). It's probably a bit less than that since you're going from 16 to 18". Another way of looking at it is that it's like adding a full-size passenger to your car for each inch larger wheels you put on.

For the OP's Camaro, that 22/20 combination is like adding another 600 lbs of weight to the car over comparable 18" wheels.

jp

[muthstryker]

Who said that? No one in this thread.

I did say that larger wheels adversely affect performance, for both acceleration and braking. That's a hard fact, and no amount of suspension setup or shock tuning will change it. You can't argue with physics: Mr. MOI wants his part of the pie when you put bigger wheels on a car.

jp

Aronhk_md, He didnt say "terrible" Just made the reference to not wanting to ride in one everyday and keeping teeth open, IE hes referring to them being horrible.

[Jim Nilsen]

DO IT!! Make sure enough wheel is tucking in the rear though, it will look badass!!!

And for you guys saying the ride is terrible my truck rides and handles better with bigger wheels and smaller tires then it does on 15s with a 245/55/15 tire. It depends on the suspension set up and shocks.

The difference between the feel of the ride and performance is a double edge sword. Bigger diameter wheels will give a better ride because of the angle of deflection being reduced when go over bigger bumps. It's not the tire diameter that decides this but the rim diameter. More sidewall adds to the delay in impact deflection to the wheel making the bump seem even bigger. That's why the ride feels so much better with bigger wheels, but the performance will drop like you own a piece of a rock you didn't purchase.

[wmhjr]

Now that's odd. In my experience the smaller wheel with the larger sidewalk performs worse, but has a smoother and softer ride. The actual tire height is about the same. My Dd has 18" factory wheels with low profile conti tires. I have a set of 16" winter wheels with winter tires. The 18" with more performance tires sure handle better, but the 16" ride better. The car is a 2yr old mb, both sets of wheels are factory mb. When the tire height stays the same but you change tie aspect ratio and amount of sidewalk, the angle of deflection remains constant but the sidewalk soaks up energy.

[68Formula]

On a 2nd Gen 18s look best, anymore than 19s will start to look comical.

Ride quality is somewhat dependent on the tire design and width as well as sidewall height. I've been in cars that rode better after moving up in size, BUT the tires were wider (load distribution) and they were a much softer compound (for traction purposes - not ride quality). That being said, to keep the same tire height as you have today, and assuming the widths are similar I would expect a ride quality difference. Not to mention, you don't want to live in a location where pot holes are common.

As said before, larger rims require larger brakes. Both because you have more rotational mass to stop, but aesthetically it'll make you current brakes look like they belong on a go-kart.

Staggered wheels need staggered tires. I agree with a comment earlier, that having a shorter sidewall height on the looks like azz.

Rubberband tires are great... for drifting. A little sidewall flex on the rear is helpful for traction. Even though slicks are available in bigger rims, many racers will opt to go with a smaller diameter rim when at track (within what will clear the brakes). Serious ones will even change the brakes to go back to a 15" rim. I mention this application as an example, but even at an autocross or road track event, you still need traction coming out of a corner. Not to mention the shorter the sidewall, the less feel to the driver when the tire is reaching the limit. Yes shorter does help cornering to a degree, but you can take it too far.

As for using late model factory cars as an example...
New ZR1s get away with 20s on the rear, but:
1) The wheel well is designed to make it look correct.
2) Rear rotors are 15"
3) They still have a 3.3" sidewall plus a 13" tread width, and
4) Sophisticated traction control device complimented by a
5) 52/48 weight distribution (and a Z06 has 50/50)

[parsonsj]

This thread is going down a familiar path, and I'm as much at fault as anyone. What might help is if we define our terms: what do we mean by "handling", "performs", and "good ride"?

I've been careful to say acceleration and braking. The bigger MOI of larger diameter wheels has a serious effect on that aspect of a vehicle's performance.. but I've not said anything about lateral movement in my previous posts in this thread.

So what do I think about lateral performance of a shorter sidewall tire? I think it does increase sideways traction because the tire stays truer to the rim. As far as the NVH aspects of bigger diameter wheels and shorter sidewall tires, I am reserving judgment. I honestly don't know, and haven't done any reading or researching on the matter. I guess that part of the equation doesn't matter to me.

jp

ps.

He didnt say "terrible" Just made the reference to not wanting to ride in one everyday and keeping teeth openFair enough. My apologies, though your reference was plural. :cheers:

[Jim Nilsen]

Now that's odd. In my experience the smaller wheel with the larger sidewalk performs worse, but has a smoother and softer ride. The actual tire height is about the same. My Dd has 18" factory wheels with low profile conti tires. I have a set of 16" winter wheels with winter tires. The 18" with more performance tires sure handle better, but the 16" ride better. The car is a 2yr old mb, both sets of wheels are factory mb. When the tire height stays the same but you change tie aspect ratio and amount of sidewalk, the angle of deflection remains constant but the sidewalk soaks up energy.

The angle of deflection does change with the aspect ratio. When you change the aspect ratio of the tire to less sidewall the angle gets steeper and makes the ride harsher and lowering pressure won't cushion it out before it bottoms to the rim. When you go the opposite like a 15" wheel with 32" tall tires like for off road the angle is less for the tire but the wheel is not and it causes you to hit the bump and then jump when the delay hits the wheel.

So yes, you are right the bigger wheel and lower profile tire can be more harsh if tire pressures can't make up for it ,but the bigger wheel with the same aspect ratio tire will be a smoother ride.

It seems that most of the new cars have larger diameter tires, especially with the newer brake packages leading them to 17" and larger wheels.

When pneumatic tires came out wheels were able to get a lot smaller in diameter because air ride is so much better.How much of a cushion you need ,pressure required to float and how far you want to fly over bumps make the decisions endless.

Larger wheels have lower rolling restistance as the aspect ratio gets lower also altering the ride characteristics in a good way for some and not others.

[Rod]

?? I'm confused what site is this Donk, Box & Bubble?? Blabbing on about 22" wheels? whats next we are going to argue about 18" woofers, spinners, Tv screens in our wheel wells? really I thought we were a professional touring performance site

Flame away I just think there are better sites for opinions on 22",26" or what ever huge ass wheel, when I ask about my jeep Grand Cherokee SRT crap(with factory 20" wheels) i go to a Grand Cherokee SRT site

[racedaddy]

I say run them. If anyone remembers Chicayne built by Rad Rides by Troy it was running 19 / 22 and it was bad a$$. I think it was twin tubo charged and fast as all get out. I've seen it on a couple of shows and not sure how much performance was sacrificed with them bigger wheels but that car would go!

www.chicayne.com

[JAWSS]

Don't forget Joe Rogans Sic fish as well. 19/22 combo and mean as hell.

http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/113_0501_1970_plymouth_barracuda/index.html

[wmhjr]

It's all personal preference from an appearance perspective (not so much just preference for performance). Do what you want. IMHO, the 22" wheels on the back of both of the cars above detract from each of them. Others obviously really like them. Also, obviously neither car is a full out performance build, like many of our cars. These cars like so many of troys are a blend of looks vs performance.

[twosaturns]

besides how it looks, I'd be most concerned about the weight. rotating weight is terrible.
also, regardless of what the wheels cost, how much are the tires? too many guys blow their load on the wheels, and have to skin them w/ cheapass chinese no-name rubber.

[aronhk_md]

Sorry if my comment about teeth was taken personally by some...lol. It certainly wasnt meant tobe a personal thing. I do believe in doing what you want with your car and the heck with what others think. I HAVE ridden in and driven cars with 22's on them though, and regardless of the suspension I could hear those tires hit even small irregularities in the road, and in a couple of those cars feel every one of them harshly. I've had the steering wheel react harshly too. I could feel myself go rigid approaching some of those rough areas of road when we were at speed. Granted, a car with perfectly tuned suspension will deal with this better than one that isnt optimized, but if there is nothing to be gained in performance...........WHY? This is from someone who has owned vettes and NEVER was concerned with a harsh ride if there was a performance benefit to it.

But the cars above with 22's on the rear........as someone else said, it would be nice to see a direct comparison with skidpad, stopping distance, etc to compare......because those "awesome" cars might have performed even better with 18's or 19's.

In the meantime we have data which indicates that MOI is a big factor in the performance world. We balance that with brake size, because larger is better. To a point. This is a performance oriented site. From that perspective those wheels are too large.

That said, plenty of guys here want a mix of performance and looks. If the look of 22's pleases you.....Go for it! Since we were asked though....I gave my opinion :)

[bdahlg68]

Big wheels on a 1st gen

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/971370717_7Gwq4L-1.jpg

[6'9"Witha69]

^^And to me, a reason to avoid them. I don't think that looks good at all.

[formula]

reminds me of this:

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/31Z5lkkHr7L-1.jpg

It's great, I guess, if you don't give a crap about how fast you'll be going. But this isn't supposed to be a show car site--it's all about making your car go, stop, and turn better around here--and tying an anchor to each corner will never be in style with most of us.

[bdahlg68]

Yup, I wouldn't build it like that due to the driveability. I was just posting a picture.

[canrc]

I think the 20" / 22" will suit some cars, I don't have any better pictures of the Cuda below but as soon as the weather gets better I will take a few more... Mind you this car will probably never see a track, just weekend cruising...

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/Cuda-1.jpg

[gearheads78]

The only why to make a 22 look good is a modern pro-street look. They have to be at least 12" wide and the car has to be tubbed and sits low and tucked. Any mass produced Coys wheel in a 20 22 combo will look terrible on a 2nd gen car. If you get the stance just right the straight side veiw can be made to look OK but and soon as to walk around at any angle it gives the illusion of very narrow wheels.

[elitecustombody]

canrc,that Cuda is gorgeous,please post more pics

[canrc]

Thanks Stefan, I will post some more... one thing about the big wheels is the brakes look tiny on a 22" rear... Thanks to Frank at Prodigy just had bigger brakes put on it, will post some soon.

[parsonsj]

So, what happened to Cooper? (the OP) Did you get the feedback you were looking for?

jp

[CallMeCooper]

if you have 2" of wheel diameter stagger, you need AT LEAST 2" of tire diameter stagger. it looks dumb if your rear sidewalls are shorter than your front sidewalls.
Agreed

[CallMeCooper]

let me clear up what i said, because after i read it, it almost seemed like a jab and it definitely was not, sorry if anyone took it that way. all i was saying is that if you think a 20/22 would look good to you and what you are trying to achieve, DO IT!! a lot of it will be based on what you use the car for, as an example, i use my 69 chevelle mostly for cruising and show, so i actually run a 20/22 setup. now as mentioned, if you were wanting to do a lot of track and events, and your score was important to you, might not be the best possible setup. if you were just going to tinker around at a event or two for fun and werent particularly concerned with your score, just wanted to hang out and have fun, then it wouldnt matter if the wheels helped max out your performance. in the end, go with what looks/works best in your eye and for your uses. good luck, picking out the right wheels can be a huge task and take forever LOL Its cool I just take opinions as such.. And thats all I asked for but thats exactly what this car is all about its just a cruiser car with a lot of horse power if it hits the track it would just for sh!ts and giggles I've got a daily this thing is just a toy I just want it to look right I just don't want it to look "donkish" is all I'm worried about.. I was really hoping someone here would hve example pics..

[CallMeCooper]

Look I'll just say it--That's gonna be way too much wheel to look good. 18s look good on a 2nd gen. 19s look big. 20s look massive. 22s look preposterous.

This coming from someone with 19s on his car. I wish on a regular basis they were 18s, but forgeline doesn't cut these wheels in anything less than 19.

These are the kind of things I'm looking to hear..

[CallMeCooper]

Big wheels on a 1st gen

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/971370717_7Gwq4L-1.jpg
Thats the style I'm thinking of.. Just so you guys are on my page.. lol..

[CallMeCooper]

Sorry guys I've been to busy hunting a damn motor to remember I posted this.. Damn rods tryed to get out of the pan :(

[CallMeCooper]

I think I'm going to go with a 18/20 stagger instead.. Does anyone have pics of this on a 2nd gen Camaro??

[aronhk_md]

If I had to guess Cooper, I'd say the car in the pic you posted is on an air ride suspension, and the guy has to pick it up to drive it.......at which point it wont look quite the same. Gotta have room to turn the wheels, and clearance for pebbles.....lol. Notice there is really almost NO light under the car. To me though the wheels look too big for the car, though I know some people like that look. Its opinion where that "donkish" look begins...lol

[CallMeCooper]

If I had to guess Cooper, I'd say the car in the pic you posted is on an air ride suspension, and the guy has to pick it up to drive it.......at which point it wont look quite the same. Gotta have room to turn the wheels, and clearance for pebbles.....lol. Notice there is really almost NO light under the car. To me though the wheels look too big for the car, though I know some people like that look. Its opinion where that "donkish" look begins...lol


Yeah I knew that I'm very familiar with air ride and all types of air sispension I've "bagged" a handfull of cars and trucks including a sweet all original 63 caddy.. But thanks for looking out, there's pleants of people who cant wrap their heads around it..

[Vegas69]

It comes down to whether you are looking for a Show Touring car or a Pro Touring car. If you put the car in the weeds with no suspension travel a larger wheel can work. I'm all about performance so I opt for worst case scenario. That means plenty of shock travel, ground clearance, lock to lock steering under any condition, and light weight wheels. A 1 " stagger can work only if it's done correctly. I did it originally and didn't like the way it turned out.

It's your car do what you want. You did ask for our opinions. I'm not a fan of anthing over a 19" on a 1st or 2nd gen camaro.

[CallMeCooper]

Thanks for the input.. I'm just looking for a happy balance of both, I think I'm going to stay away from the 22s in favor of a 18/20 stagger but my Ls1/T56 swap is currently eating up all spare funds so it looks like I'll be rocking the 17s a bit longer.. You all also have me thinking maybe I should put some good tires on the 17s when I get my 18/20s and have a set for go and a set for show..

[buickfunnycar.com]

Big wheels on a 1st gen

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/971370717_7Gwq4L-1.jpg

I'm sorry...but that to me isn't strong support for your case.

[aronhk_md]

Yeah, thats not even in the weeds....thats crushing them. lol

[scemeca]

Wow i did not realize how many people do not like the big wheels i am kinda nervous even posting a comment imo i think you do what you like and what you want your car to look like i have 20s on both my cars and i must admit i am a car show junkie not much into the whole race thing i just love the smooth line of muscle cars just my 2 cents Here are my cars!!!

[aronhk_md]

Quite alright there my friend.....and you are always welcome to share pics with lovely ladies in bikini tops. Oh, nice car too! lol. Seriously though its ok. Just realize that the emphasis amongst many of us here is on performance. Cars that go fast, corner faster, and stop on a dime....while giving you change back. To that end we do discuss what the pros and cons of wheel size, weight, and design do to that performance. Same with brakes, etc. Some of us race these cars. Its all for fun. I like car shows too......

[CallMeCooper]

Wow i did not realize how many people do not like the big wheels i am kinda nervous even posting a comment imo i think you do what you like and what you want your car to look like i have 20s on both my cars and i must admit i am a car show junkie not much into the whole race thing i just love the smooth line of muscle cars just my 2 cents Here are my cars!!!

Nice cars man!! Love the 1st one for sure!!

[parsonsj]

Wow i did not realize how many people do not like the big wheels i am kinda nervous even posting a comment imo i think you do what you like and what you want your car to look like i have 20s on both my cars and i must admit i am a car show junkie not much into the whole race thing i just love the smooth line of muscle cars just my 2 cents Here are my cars!!!

I didn't see any wheels (or even a car for that matter) in the first picture.

jp

[70camaro406]

18" is the biggest wheel that can be justified for performance, to support 14" rotors. And 14" rotors are something that very few people will find themselves ever needing. Anything bigger than 18" is purely an aesthetic consideration, and a considerable performance degradation, both in acceleration and braking.
jp

Truer words were never spoken.

This should be a pro-touring rule.

[CallMeCooper]

All lost acceleration can be fixed with more horse power!!:naughty:

[parsonsj]

All lost acceleration can be fixed with more horse power!!Of course.

What's the plan to fix the lost braking?

jp

[Cannon]

IMHO as already mentioned, anything over 18" wheels to me looks like a waste, but Im a practical person and I hate things like the bugatti veyron. As for asthetics I dont like wheels to be proportionatly high, i like them more squared off as a 15x12 vs a 22x9, when u go taller it makes it look much skinnier and I hate that look, makes it look like a wagon wheel and nothing says slow like that to me.

[68Formula]

Of course.

What's the plan to fix the lost braking?

jp

Guard rails?

[68Formula]

As for asthetics I dont like wheels to be proportionatly high, i like them more squared off as a 15x12 vs a 22x9, when u go taller it makes it look much skinnier and I hate that look, makes it look like a wagon wheel and nothing says slow like that to me.

C'mon, does this look slow to you?

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2011/02/imagesqtbnANd9GcRSuBgrDAaQ01lPlRoRxN3QpK-1.jpg

[gearheads78]

. As for asthetics I dont like wheels to be proportionatly high, i like them more squared off as a 15x12 vs a 22x9, when u go taller it makes it look much skinnier and I hate that look, makes it look like a wagon wheel and nothing says slow like that to me.

I am 1000% agreement with you. I 22 x 10 looks like a 15 x 7 in proportion.

[SR71]

IMHO as already mentioned, anything over 18" wheels to me looks like a waste, but Im a practical person and I hate things like the bugatti veyron. As for asthetics I dont like wheels to be proportionatly high, i like them more squared off as a 15x12 vs a 22x9, when u go taller it makes it look much skinnier and I hate that look, makes it look like a wagon wheel and nothing says slow like that to me.

well.....not always.

my 69 has a 20x10 on the rear with a 295/35/20. it measures the same diameter and width as a 28x10.5x15 slick on a 15x10 wheel. what is too tall and skinny about that??? it just doesn't have a sidewall that looks like a hot air balloon. my tires split the difference between balloons and rubber bands.

I am an old school drag race guy that grew up in the peak of the pro street era. even though I have owned several pro street cars, this is my first car with larger diameter wheels and tires. with beefy sidewalls and the proper stance, I wouldn't have my car any other way now. they just look proper on the car.

while many have question my choice of rolling stock sight unseen, every last one of them have been impressed when they saw the car in person. many think they are 18's/19's until they read the sidewalls. the taller sidewalls make the wheels look smaller.

[wmhjr]

Everyone has different tastes. No insult intended, but looking at the small pic of your ride, I would probably like it better with an 18 in the back. Just my opinion. The issue isn't the total tire height IMHO. It's the aspect ratio, and that big a chunk of metal combined with seeing what appears to be a very small rotor in comparison just isn't my style. That being said, it's all opinion, and we all have our own tastes. I do think that there is a huge difference between 22s and 20s. I simply can't stand the look of 22s.

[SR71]

Everyone has different tastes. No insult intended, but looking at the small pic of your ride, I would probably like it better with an 18 in the back. Just my opinion. The issue isn't the total tire height IMHO. It's the aspect ratio, and that big a chunk of metal combined with seeing what appears to be a very small rotor in comparison just isn't my style. That being said, it's all opinion, and we all have our own tastes. I do think that there is a huge difference between 22s and 20s. I simply can't stand the look of 22s.

agreed. we all know that pictures, especially small ones, do not always do a car justice. in the tiny sig pic, my car still had stock disc/drum brakes. that is not the case now with 13" baers all around. but they do still look smallish to me too.

a taller tire does make a HUGE difference in the look of larger diameter wheels. and with equal fender to wheel gaps front to rear, the 1" of wheel diameter stagger coupled with the 1.25" of tire diameter stagger gives me right at 2" of rake front to rear. it worked out perfect IMO.