46 Pontiac "sleeper"

[r.a.w.rods]

Ok now that the 63 F100 is coming to a close I have another project in the works. I was asked to take a 1946 Pontiac 4 door straight 8, three on the tree and turn it into some thing that would keep up with todays traffic, but had to be able to take it anywhere and buy parts on the go. So here is what we have come up with. Fatmans Mustang II front sub frame, LS1 GTO Engine and Trans. New Interior (stock looking) and leave the Old Paint that being the "SLEEPER LOOK". O and this is the first time it has been out of the garage in 15 years.

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[455HOT/A]

That is going to be way cool, looking forward to seeing the progress.

[dontlifttoshift]

Bitchin car, will make a great cruiser. If you haven't already bought the fatman stuff here is an alternative. http://frameupwheelworks.smugmug.com/Projects/Chuck-and-Barb-Stikas-1940/11031768_JAEto#771705165_d8er6

It starts getting interesting at about page 3

It worked out really nice and is way beefier than a MII style setup.

Good Luck
Donny

[r.a.w.rods]

Bitchin car, will make a great cruiser. If you haven't already bought the fatman stuff here is an alternative. http://frameupwheelworks.smugmug.com/Projects/Chuck-and-Barb-Stikas-1940/11031768_JAEto#771705165_d8er6

It starts getting interesting at about page 3

It worked out really nice and is way beefier than a MII style setup.

Good Luck
Donny

Very nice car!

I have always like the Fatman stuff and because we not going weild on this thing I think it will work great for us.

[dontlifttoshift]

Fair enough, to each his own, but.....How are you going to attach the fatman clip without welding?

[NASH JUDGE]

Love that car. super cool project...........

[twosaturns]

I see the wisdom of putting an LS in there, but wouldn't it be cool to keep the straight-8, but w/ a modern electronic distributor and fuel injection, and a modern trans.
just sayin' :)

looks to be a cool project, thanks for sharing!

[CruizinKev]

wow very nice project! I love that kind of builds!!! :twothumbs

[r.a.w.rods]

Fair enough, to each his own, but.....How are you going to attach the fatman clip without welding?

I never said that it would not be welded. Fatman takes my measurements and makes the front sub to be welded In.

First thing was to get the front clip off and set the car up level and get all the measurements.
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Next was to cut the old front off after all the Measurements were checked again.
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Now time to test fit the new front.
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You can't see in the picutres but there are fish plates Inside the frame to help keep everything together, I will put them on the outside too just for over kill.
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NOW CAN YOU GUYS SEE HOW THIS WORKS...LOL

[LeighP]

A lot of guys use 2nd gen F body subframes to mate with early Pontiacs....I've seen a couple with very good results.
I'd have loved to do the same to my old 52 Pontiac, but the registration authorities here don't allow frame chops like this....grrrrrr.
Nice project!

[MrBlonde]

Oh this is sweet! Great base ..

[r.a.w.rods]

Sorry on the delay of pictures guys. I have the car back down on all fours and have picked up the donor car ( 04 GTO ).

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The Donor.
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I will be selling the rest of the GTO when I get the engine and trans pulled.

[r.a.w.rods]

Well Ive got the LS1 pulled and every thing ready to mock up. Im going to try to use the stock GTO engine mounts and header but It looks like the GTO headers will not work ( you will see why later ).

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Here you can see why I cant use the stock GTO headers, they come out on top of the frame. So it looks like Maybe a set of Sanderson LS1 Blockhugger Headers are the best bet. If you guys know of some thing better please tell, This is my first Ls1 Install.
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Looks like the stock mounts are going to work out ok pluse keeping them helps with the steering rod witch is close to everything. Im just starting to make the mounts so dont worry gussets will be In place tomorrow, but for now you can see how its coming together.

I love cutting out mounts.
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Gussets will come later when I can see were the steering rod goes.
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Passanger side.
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Driver side, see how tight.
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[gearheads78]

Cool project. One thing I see that I think you need to address if you are not planning to. I don't see where you sleeved the clip so you need to weld some plates on the outside where your seam is. Just butt welding the frame is going to be too big of chance to fail.

[badbu68]

Can't wait to see more!

[Jake616]

Subscribed! This will be one very sweet build!

[1969CamaroRS]

Oh a sleeper! Very cool, keep the pics flowing :)

[r.a.w.rods]

I will, I just tacked them in place and bolted them on to see how they were going to line up with the frame. Pulse I wanted to hang them to see if the steering rod was going to be in the way of the boxing plates. If you guys see anything else please add.

[Conrad283]

Very cool

[BanditDave]

If you still have the GTO seats (front and rear) I would like first crack at them! Awesome build by the way!

[FRENCHBLUE72]

subscribed...

[gearheads78]

I will, I just tacked them in place and bolted them on to see how they were going to line up with the frame. Pulse I wanted to hang them to see if the steering rod was going to be in the way of the boxing plates. If you guys see anything else please add.

I'm not talking about the motor mounts I saw where you said you will gusset them I was referring to where the old frame is spliced into the MII frame. If you did not sleeve the inside of it I think you need to overlap the seam with some plates. I am only looking at pictures but it looks like the two pieces are pretty much just butt welded? I would not trust for such a saftey related issue to to be held together like that.

[gearbanger]

You can't see in the picutres but there are fish plates Inside the frame to help keep everything together, I will put them on the outside too just for over kill.

I think he has that covered.

[r.a.w.rods]

O sorry I was thinking the Engine mounts. Yes I have fish plates Inside on all four sides and I will have two more on each side of the outside. Dont worry Im glad you guys are looking out for me.

[r.a.w.rods]

If you still have the GTO seats (front and rear) I would like first crack at them! Awesome build by the way!

Sorry BanditDave, I sold the hole car right after I pulled the Drive line.

[gearheads78]

You can't see in the picutres but there are fish plates Inside the frame to help keep everything together, I will put them on the outside too just for over kill.[/QUOTE]

I think he has that covered.[/QUOTE]


O sorry I was thinking the Engine mounts. Yes I have fish plates Inside on all four sides and I will have two more on each side of the outside. Dont worry Im glad you guys are looking out for me.

Ignoir me then and carry on:cheers:

[r.a.w.rods]

I took some time today and put the gussets In the Engine mounts. Looks like the Power Rack is going to clear the Alternator. I'll have to get the headers this week to see how the Steering Rod is going to work out.

Tacked to see if it will work.
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Engine pulled and everything Welded up.
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Time to reinstall and make the crossmember.
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[My427stang]

I see the wisdom of putting an LS in there, but wouldn't it be cool to keep the straight-8, but w/ a modern electronic distributor and fuel injection, and a modern trans.
just sayin' :)

looks to be a cool project, thanks for sharing!

x2, deep gear with a nice OD box. EFI the straight 8, that's doing it smooooooth LOL

[r.a.w.rods]

x2, deep gear with a nice OD box. EFI the straight 8, that's doing it smooooooth LOL

You guys are killing me...lol

[r.a.w.rods]

Well Engine is back in and lined up. The headers are on there way from Sanderson Headers so be a few days untill they get here. We should have the trans crossmember done tomorrow and will set the front back on and see how everthing fits up (still have to cut the Inner fenders ).

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[r.a.w.rods]

Well she's back on the ground with the front sheet metal back on. I had to trim 14 1/2" off the Inner fender to get it to clear but other then that It set right In place. I will take the metal I turned up on the Inner fender and weld it back so that you can't tell I trimed it ( see Picture ). Next is to get the new Rear In and set the back down. O and the engine set down in between the fenders really nice too.

Inner Fenders Cut.
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Sitting 6 1/2" from floor to bottom of bumper.
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I killed some time too see if the old paint could be made to shine some. You can see on the left is much better for old paint.
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[mjds]

Oh man is that cool, hot rodding anything and everything is what its all about. Also nothing like 40's cars just something about them that makes everyone smile.

[r.a.w.rods]

Oh man is that cool, hot rodding anything and everything is what its all about. Also nothing like 40's cars just something about them that makes everyone smile.

Thanks mjds.

[SickSpeedMonte]

How did you get the fish plates inside the box frame on both sides? If you welded it though that little access hole, I am very impressed!

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[r.a.w.rods]

How did you get the fish plates inside the box frame on both sides? If you welded it though that little access hole, I am very impressed!

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I wish I was that good...lol. I took the plates and put them in the sub frame first, then drilled hole and plug welded the plated to the sub frame. The slide every thing together and drill more holes on the stock frame and plug weld them. Next weld the main seam together and use the stock frame holes to inspect the welds from Inside. So now you have a full weld in the middle with the plates to act like a bridge and then you have all your plug welds on the sides. This picuter just dont show the plugs drilled.

[SickSpeedMonte]

I wish I was that good...lol. I took the plates and put them in the sub frame first, then drilled hole and plug welded the plated to the sub frame. The slide every thing together and drill more holes on the stock frame and plug weld them. Next weld the main seam together and use the stock frame holes to inspect the welds from Inside. So now you have a full weld in the middle with the plates to act like a bridge and then you have all your plug welds on the sides. This picuter just dont show the plugs drilled.

That makes sense, thanks! I only asked because the plug welds werent pictured :)

[twosaturns]

that body is so fat, and the hood so tall, you could section 2"-4" out of the middle and no one would notice!

[r.a.w.rods]

that body is so fat, and the hood so tall, you could section 2"-4" out of the middle and no one would notice!

Man the things I wish I could do to this car...lol

[CruizinKev]

i love this project! :twothumbs

[r.a.w.rods]

UPDATE: The Sanderson Headers came In today!! They are really nice and huge the block really nice. Looks like I'll Have more room for the Steering and they miss the stock GTO Engine mounts by a long shot. Well here they are.

DRIVER SIDE
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PASSANGER SIDE.
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[r.a.w.rods]

Worked on the steering today. Ended up having to use three Joints to get the steering to clear the headers but everything lines up really good I think. I've still got to pick up a bearing for the bottom of the column but other then that she's nailed down.

Here you can see how much I had to come away from the headers.
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Now with the Carrier Bearing tacked In place.
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[r.a.w.rods]

Do you guys think a 2.73 posi rear end will be to high of a gear for this car with the ls1 and 4l60e trans? Remember gas is getting higher and this car will get used alot on the street not the track. I just dont want to kill the Performance. What is your alls take on this?

[Motorcitydak]

What are the gear ratios of the trans? Rear tire size? Most importantly, what does the owner want the car to do? Another thing that must be considered is the power band of the motor. If it makes good torque over 3000rpm, then maybe a higher gear is needed. Id say check what the stock car would spin at 70mph and try to match that

[r.a.w.rods]

Its all stock 04 GTO LS1 and Trans. I went back and looked at the stock rear end ratio and it was a 3.46 gear. The trans was a 3.06 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.00 3rd, .70 4th. So Im thinking now maybe a 3.73 because the tires will be around lets say 25-27" tall, and I just found out he wants to pull a small motorcycle too...lol. So I think I better change to some thing lower.

[Motorcitydak]

In that case, Id say that you are right on the money with that 3.73. Since this car will be heavier and less aerodynamic than the GTO, it could use some help in the final drive ratio to let it move around easily at 70-80

[r.a.w.rods]

I finished up the stock steering column today. First thing I did was cut the steering tube and rod down to where I need it.
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Next I picked up a bearing for a Go-kart that works great for the old column tubes. Its 1 3/8" OD and 3/4 In the center.
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After that I ran a new horn wire and redrilled the hole so I could use the stock braket that holds the wire down. Then I pressed in the new bearing.
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Last thing was to make the end of the stock steering rod into a DD shaft so I could put a new joint on the end. Now I can bolt it too the car.
Keeps that sleeper look when people look Inside the car and all they see is stock parts...lol
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Then I moved on to the Sway Bar. I made some plates that go Inside the frame so It would be easy to put your bolts In when the front Is Installed. I'll finish painting them when I pull every thing off for the last time.
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Installed Inside the frame.
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I also had to extend the Rack because the Pontiac track is wider. FatMan provides the part to do this. Just a matter of taking the rack apart and putting it back.
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Also finished welding up the Inner fender to look stock.
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[Motown 454]

Its looking great nice progress.

[r.a.w.rods]

Sorry for not posting updates, its been a mad house in the shop.

I got a rear Universal Spring kit from Chassis Engineering and every thing was really nice for what we are doing with this car.
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After I got every thing out from under the back I had to box the rear frame rails in. Then I box the front were the new spring hangers went.
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I ended up having to make my own boxing plate's and gussets to hold the new front hanger In place. I like over kill and with this motor over kill is good..lol.
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Cant forget the rear axle. I welded the axle tubes so they will not twist and set it up with a new Posi 3.73 gear set.
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[r.a.w.rods]

Today we removed the old heater box that was under the drivers seat. This left a big hold under the floor so we are making a block of panel to cover it up. Later donw the road when the car gets paint we can weld this new panel In. We also pulled the old wiring out from behind the dash.
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We were able to get the rear end done today. Now before my customer wanted a stock looking steel wheel but after putting a 17" mock up wheel on he has changed his mind...lol. I dont know what style wheel we will go with but this gives every one a ideal. Its a 17x8 with a 255 tire.

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[Motorcitydak]

Can I get some more info on that steering rack? Application, stock width and the width you made it to be? I want to run a manual rack that will need to be a custom width (Im not sure exactly what width yet tho)

[craigs73]

sweet!!! i would like to see some more tire under there :)

[CruizinKev]

looking good! can't wait to see more :twothumbs

[r.a.w.rods]

Can I get some more info on that steering rack? Application, stock width and the width you made it to be? I want to run a manual rack that will need to be a custom width (Im not sure exactly what width yet tho)

Its a mustang rack (87-93) from fatman and then they send the adapter for this setup. I would give them a call and see what they have.

[r.a.w.rods]

The rear disk brake kit from Right Stuff came in today. Then went on with no problems so I should have every thing In paint tomorrow. I'll have better pictures tomorrow.

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[r.a.w.rods]

Well we got the car pulled apart today and welded up all the holes in the fire wall. We also Mocked up the fire wall brake pedal kit from speedway. Now that I know were the brake pedal hangs down at we can trim it back so it does not stick out so much. We also made a home made column holder on the floor so the stock column will stay put. Next we striped every thing back off and paint the front half of the frame and fire wall to look more pleasing for the LS1. Not really going for show as much as for go.

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[r.a.w.rods]

Today we got all the seals and gaskets, plugs, belts all that good stuff done on the LS1 before setting it back in the car. We put the front suspension back on and the front sheet metal to see how she was going to site. Looks like the front springs are going to need some work. Should have the wheels for the car next week and some bigger tires but this will give you a ideal so what were going with.

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[twosaturns]

I'm sure you took into account how much that hood weighs before you cut the springs, that's gotta be 1000lbs right there!

[Dons67]

great work - the 3.73 were the right choice for the rear -- my camaro had 2.80 in the rear and never went into overdrive until i was doing 70mph!

[DYNODANNY]

The car looks sweet, I've been wanting to do a 46 chevy coupe for my wife, theres a guy a cross the street from me that has a 46 with a camaro front clip, sbc and and auto. I would change to manual trans and make it more like an old panam car.

[LeighP]

Looking great....love the coolness of an older Pontiac.

[greatXss]

Wow, this project is looking great!

[r.a.w.rods]

Thanks guys. Yea Im going to put the hood on and see what happens but I still think its a little too stiff. I may not have pictures for a while because I've got the F100 and we doing some shows right now. I'll post more up as soon as I get back.

[r.a.w.rods]

Now that the Truck show's are out of the way I can get back on the 46 Pontiac. We have all the holes In the fire wall welded up and the Brake booster In. Master will get some black paint later so it will blend In. As you can see we have started the wiring and trying to keep it as nice as we can. Its not going to be hidden like most of our show cars but still nice. The trunk wiring will be covered by Interior panels later. Steering rod's and joints are In and painted and the brakes are painted and back on for the last time.

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[CruizinKev]

sweet! nice projects over there! :twothumbs can't wait to see more! :twothumbs

[r.a.w.rods]

I have been working on the fuel system for the 46 and have not had any luck with finding a gas tank for this car. So I decided to go with a 41-48 chevy EFI tank and just move my factory braces over so I could strap the chevy tank in place. I also made new T-bolts and straps to hold every thing together.

Stock location of brace.
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Moved In for new tank.
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Bolts and straps.
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Making a new gas filler neck.
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[r.a.w.rods]

Today I finished making a box to house my ECU for the LS1. I welded nuts to the back and is held up under the dash out of the way.
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Then I moved to wiring the Street & Performance Harnees for the LS1, Everything went right together. I know in the picture you cant see much of the wires but thats the point!! I even had time to polish the plug wire covers and replace the wires.
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[nyciti]

Really nice work!

[Motown 454]

Looking good.

[LeighP]

Very interested to see this one finished.

[rohrt]

Way to bring new life into a old classic!

[r.a.w.rods]

Thanks guys, Ill have some more update soon.

[r.a.w.rods]

Ok time for a update. I have the Fuel system In place and done. Everything is AN fittings, Pro Class Hose and Stainless Steel Line and a Corvette Reg/filter. I made my adapter for a push lock to go into the Reg/filter because I already have the tools to do this for S.S.
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Here is my line all bent up and ready to go on the frame. I try to keep everything out of the way even on builds like this.
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The new Classic Instruments came in today. They are the All American Nickel and I also had them send everything for a LS1 setup.
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I put the water temp sender in the head they sent (needs no adapter screws right in).
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And also taped and drilled the GTO oil plate for the Oil sending unit they sent. My tap was a 1/8-27 NPT and worked great with no problems. I set the Sender at an angle to clear the ALT and the Stock GTO mounts.
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[LeighP]

nice instruments...I have their Moal "Bomber" series for my project

[CruizinKev]

x2 love the instruments! I'll get a similar setup for my 59/60 bel air dash :twothumbs

[r.a.w.rods]

Hey guys I need some help. I want to use my stock GM a/c compressor from my GTO with my Vintage Air system. I read some post that say you cant use the gm compressor because it dont work with the VA lines but I have there adapter to make it work so that I have taken care of. What Im not sure 100% about is the two wires that come out of the compressor. Can anyone tell me for sure that the green wire is the wire that I hook my VA system too and the black wire is just a ground wire.

The other thing that has me for a loop is I keep reading the the GTO compressor will freeze up my system and kill it? Why is that? I know I have seen other street rods running this compressor and have read other post were people have not had any problems, so can anyone post some light on the subject. O and one more thing why would Vingate Air have a Adapter for the compressor if its not good to use them?

Any help would be great. Thanks.

[r.a.w.rods]

wow nobody^

[r.a.w.rods]

Ok found out what I need today from Mark at Street & Performance and I also taked to the guys at Vintage Air and now I have a better under standing of how the systems works. So for any one else out there that need to no, change out the ls1 GM compressor for the Sandon 508. Now back to the build.

[LeighP]

Would have loved to help you out....but the only cars I have with air are my late model DDs...none of the toys have/had air, lol.

[chunger]

Ok time for a update. I have the Fuel system In place and done. Everything is AN fittings, Pro Class Hose and Stainless Steel Line and a Corvette Reg/filter. I made my adapter for a push lock to go into the Reg/filter because I already have the tools to do this for S.S.
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Could you tell us more about this? Do these tools allow you to crimp hard lines to use late model push on features? Did you make that short line that connects to the fuel filter? What tools are these?

[Motown 454]

Those gauges are going to look Sweet in there. Nice progress.

[Ratty 46]

Very nicely done so far. I'm very interested as I too am building a 1946 ... a '46 ford coupe. I was originally going to fire it with a tried & true BBC & 4 speed but those gto's are turning up more & more & your build has sparked considerable debate about my engine choice.

Again - very nicely done.

R46

[r.a.w.rods]

Could you tell us more about this? Do these tools allow you to crimp hard lines to use late model push on features? Did you make that short line that connects to the fuel filter? What tools are these?

This kit is the Mastercool HYDRAULIC FLARING TOOL SET, I can do 45, 37 double and singal on any type of line and from 3/16 up to 1/2. Also does metric too. Yes I made the short line that you see in the picture above. My kit will do all the GM and Ford push lock Connetions. I love this kit, its not cheap but well worth it for what I do.

[r.a.w.rods]

Very nicely done so far. I'm very interested as I too am building a 1946 ... a '46 ford coupe. I was originally going to fire it with a tried & true BBC & 4 speed but those gto's are turning up more & more & your build has sparked considerable debate about my engine choice.

Again - very nicely done.

R46

Thanks R46, if you go this route and need any help feel free to give me a shout.

[78 Type-LT]

This is going to be a sweet cruiser...

[r.a.w.rods]

I started working on a battery box for the trunk. Its going to be mounted up in the fender wheel so I'll have to make some leggs to hold it up. This should keep it out of the way of my spare tire area. I hope to have it done after Thanksgiving.

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I put the new Classic Instruments in the Billet Panel today. Sorry for the bad pic.

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[r.a.w.rods]

Just wanted to post up a few pictures. I have the 12volt wiper kit installed and was able to keep the old radio face (new one will be in glove box). I also finished the bulk head on the fire wall and got the fitting Inside under the dash mocked up. Looks like its going to clear the computer and a/c just fine. The New Radiator came in so I hope to have the front end back on the car by Mon.
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Just for anyone that wants to know I used Russel fittings (1/4NPT to #6AN) for the trans cooling lines so I could route my own hoses were I need them.
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[r.a.w.rods]

Here is my new A/C bracket that will let me keep the compressor in the stock location on the GTO ls1. It did move it out 3/4" but I had room to keep it down here. I also changed out the heater hose pipe for a 5/8 so that both will match the Vintage Air system.
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Here is the bracket in place.
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And with the A/C. I had to trim off one of the ears on the a/c to clear the belt tensioner.
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[gearheads78]

Dude you are going to wake up one day and be a hell of a car builder. You are doing a killer job on this car. I see you know have a bead roller. What you get and how much do you like it?

[r.a.w.rods]

Thanks gearhead. The Roller I used on the small parts above was just a Cheap one I found at a swap meet $100.00 with all the dies). Its just a 18" throat but like I said great for small stuff. Now that I have been using this thing a bigger and foot operated one is on the way.

[r.a.w.rods]

Not too much got done this week because my dad is in the Hospital getting two new Knees, but the good thing is he's up and walking and just about to get to come home. I did get a few things done in between running back and forth.

I made a set of brackets to hold my a/c condenser in place, two at the top and two at the bottom.
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I also finished running my A/C and heater hoses. I kept the A/C lines under the fender for a cleaner look and put the drier under the hood spring next to the fire wall. There was lots of room and keeps it clean. Now all I have to do is crimp them.
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[r.a.w.rods]

Today I Made a small bracket to fit on to the MAS AIR and to help support it. The other end attachs to the inner fender. I have a small washer with a rubber center to give some play when you hit the gas. When I fire it up I'll know if It has enough movement. As you can see I also cut the bottom out to get the most air flow.

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After some bead blasting and paint it blends right in.
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I found a nice size K&N Filter that would fit just right in the space I had. Notiing over the top but it gets the job done.
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[LeighP]

Nice and tidy installation...its looking great!

[r.a.w.rods]

Ok lets see I finished Installing the new trans cover. I Installed the battery tray I built for the back. Got it primed so it would not rust in the back. I made a custom hold down bracket out of billet to hold the battery down. Yes it is a little harder to get the battery in and out but the customer wanted to keep his trunk open because they plan to travel alot. So we used the space in the corner behind the spare.
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Also finished wiring the front headlights and turn signals, See NO wiring.
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Also set the gauges in tonignt
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[LeighP]

Just a thought......something that struck me looking at the battery location. Do you think perhaps putting on of those ON/OFF key style battery disconnects in the ground cable might be a good idea?
Just if something shorts and starts to burn, it'd be real hard getting to the battery to disconnect it.
Nice out of the way spot though...uses a dead space that would otherwise go to waste.

[r.a.w.rods]

Just a thought......something that struck me looking at the battery location. Do you think perhaps putting on of those ON/OFF key style battery disconnects in the ground cable might be a good idea?
Just if something shorts and starts to burn, it'd be real hard getting to the battery to disconnect it.
Nice out of the way spot though...uses a dead space that would otherwise go to waste.

I do have one to put on when Im ready to hook the battery up for good. I took the pictures just to show what I had done and how I ran the cabels. Thats also why you see the "+" side of the battery not hooked up. I am glad you are looking out for me, I can't tell you how many time I have been to a Indoor car show to see a battery In a trunk with not disconnect.

[blazer4corners]

what is nice about this upgrade is the detail put into the brackets an such even tho u won't see them.

[r.a.w.rods]

Well I know this has not been a over the top build but its been a fun one and its almost to the end. We put the hood on today for the last time and have every thing under the hood wired up and done. I've got just a few more detail things to do like WASH IT..LOL and get the exhaust put on. So when I do that and get it outside I will get you guys some better pictures. For now this is all I have.

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[LeighP]

The way that car looks, I'd seriously consider dumping the bling wheels and going with 15" painted steels with hubcaps and rings (wider than stock of course)....car would look great pretending to be stock.

[linkstar69]

The way that car looks, I'd seriously consider dumping the bling wheels and going with 15" painted steels with hubcaps and rings (wider than stock of course)....car would look great pretending to be stock.

Can't agree more.

[twosaturns]

The way that car looks, I'd seriously consider dumping the bling wheels and going with 15" painted steels with hubcaps and rings (wider than stock of course)....car would look great pretending to be stock.

go back and read post #49...

[LeighP]

What...you expect me to have an attention span that remembers 50 posts ago????? lol, I think the customer was right the first time.

[Motown 454]

Looking good! You did a nice job tucking the wiring out of the way.

[r.a.w.rods]

Thanks guys, Good thing about wheels they can be changed later.

[r.a.w.rods]

Well just wanted to let every one know that the car is almost done. All that’s left is the Interior and I’m almost done with that too. I took the car on it first test drive/show and what a blast it was. I wasn’t sure if people would get what we were shooting for but looks like most of them really liked the ideal of taking a old solid car and making more modern. I even let the customer drive the car back to the shop after the show and I don’t think he could have smiled any harder then he was...lol. After we got out of the car he said he had not drive the car since 1996. So now that he’s happy I’m happy. Now its time too finish up and send her on the way. Here are two pictures from the show.

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[LeighP]

Car looks great....love how its sits. It'd be great to cruise in, I bet!

[r.a.w.rods]

Well I was almost done with the car when the Interior guy backed out. So I told my customer I had been thinking of doing some Interior work and he said go for it. Now I have never done any Interior work in my life so dont be too hard on me ok guys..lol. Heres what Ive got so far.

Took out the old top and made a one piece head liner.
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Then I made new kick panels with speaker and rear tray with 6x9's.
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I made a custom shifter boot for the lokar floor shifter as well.
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I also refoamed the seats and made new covers for them. Redid the rear arm rest too.
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And the door panels Im working on. Still working on the windlace around the doors but its getting there.
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Like I said Im just learning this so dont beat me up too much...lol

[icebird84]

look real good

[car_designer]

Great looking car.

[GAS455]

Hey Mate,

Looking great!

Question about the Hoodlining.....

How is it held up?

Got any more shots of that?

I'm looking at doing the same sort of thing...well I am now!
LOL

[r.a.w.rods]

Hey Mate,

Looking great!

Question about the Hoodlining.....

How is it held up?

Got any more shots of that?

I'm looking at doing the same sort of thing...well I am now!
LOL

Ive got a link that helped me alot I'll post it here. http://www.how-to-build-hotrods.com/headliner-installation.html

I pretty much used the same steps but In the back of my car I made some ABS corners to staple too.

[r.a.w.rods]

Ok this thing is just about 100% done. I took a few more pictures to share of the Interior. All thats left is the Radio and dome light cover thats on the way.

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