LEGAL ALERT. Pending Ohio racing law

[exwestracer]

New Ohio legislation that would re-define "street racing" has already passed the state HR and is now before the Senate.

(excerpt) The bill expands the definition of "street racing" to also include "any exhibition of speed or acceleration that is inconsistent with the normal operation of a vehicle on a public road, street, or highway." In addition, the bill provides that persons rendering assistance or encouragement in any form or manner to the defined competitive use of vehicles must be equally charged as participants (bill's additions to existing law are in italics)

It gets better (or worse)...

(excerpt) Under the bill, in addition to any other sanctions, the court must order the criminal forfeiture of the motor vehicle the offender was operating at the time the offender committed street racing.

If you're thinking that you could be cited for punching it to get through a red light and LOSE YOUR CAR...you're right!

READ IT, and start writing your Senator...
http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/analysis.cfm?ID=128_HB_191&hf=analyses128/h0191-i-128.htm

[Steve1968LS2]

So you do a small burn out and they take your car?

Or even accelerate quickly from a light?

Gotta love the ways things they are coming up with to seize your property.. I guess they do need the cash...

[Damn True]

Lemme ask you this: Which party dominates your state executive and legislative branches....and just for grins which party dominates your federal congressional delegation?

Answer the question and you've found the problem.

[BuddyP]

Lemme ask you this: Which party dominates your state executive and legislative branches....and just for grins which party dominates your federal congressional delegation?

Answer the question and you've found the problem.
Same thought went through my head... just didn't want to be the one to stir the pot with it!

[Damn True]

Same thought went through my head... just didn't want to be the one to stir the pot with it!

In reality, both groups suck. One just sucks a bit more and in doing so likes to take stuff from people.

[BA.]

I am officially unhappy about this. :(

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[mc84_zz4]

Dang, the precedent this could set scares me.
Is street racing with nitrous a real big problem in Ohio?
No more driving the car to the strip after this law, if it gets enacted.
I could see many distributors stop selling N2O.

[Mkelcy]

Lemme ask you this: Which party dominates your state executive and legislative branches....and just for grins which party dominates your federal congressional delegation?

Answer the question and you've found the problem.

I don't understand what the hell these comments have to do with the proposed law, opposition to the law or the car hobby in general.

I assume, based on this example, I can freely start dropping veiled political comments in any thread that strikes my fancy.

[wmhjr]

I don't understand what the hell these comments have to do with the proposed law, opposition to the law or the car hobby in general.

I assume, based on this example, I can freely start dropping veiled political comments in any thread that strikes my fancy.

I understand. Maybe by making people aware of where the anti-car, anti-racing, anti-performance politicians are mainly found, the risk of continuing to put their sorry a$$es in office, we decrease the chances that more laws such as this are rammed down our collective throughts, eh? If you have one political group continuing to force such legislation down our throats that day by day kills our hobby, then it's relevant. This legislation is not "health care reform" (gag). It's car related.

[sniper]

That proposal is crazy.

The secondary issue, might suprise those that are curious. I believe the Senate is wearing an "R" majority and the House is led by the "D", which is where this legislation comes from.

And how ignorant can you be to not understand the relevance of the question posed?

BTW, both parties suck, they both want to consume our freedoms, under the guise of safety or the advancement of our society.

[Damn True]

That proposal is crazy.

The secondary issue, might suprise those that are curious. I believe the Senate is wearing an "R" majority and the House is led by the "D", which is where this legislation comes from.

And how ignorant can you be to not understand the relevance of the question posed?

BTW, both parties suck, they both want to consume our freedoms, under the guise of safety or the advancement of our society.

You are correct. My original source was totaling combined numbers in the legislative and executive branches (and fed) which is a distinct D majority.

More Government is never the answer to a problem and more Government control over the populace is a benefit only to the Government. Government seizure of private property is simply a violation of the US Constitution. One group in particular specializes in the provision of more of each.

[Tony_SS]

I hope the good people of Ohio make their voice heard.. cause if not, no faith in either party is going to save us from overreaching laws.

[Damn True]

no faith in either party

That pretty much covers it.

[ITLBTU]

I hope the good people of Ohio make their voice heard.. cause if not, no faith in either party is going to save us from overreaching laws.

They won't... Because street racing is evil. Who can honestly defend street racing. I do say this as someone who has been cited for street racing years ago, and still is easily tempted while in a safe area to demonstrate my cars ability to go fast...

[Tony_SS]

They won't... Because street racing is evil. Who can honestly defend street racing. I do say this as someone who has been cited for street racing years ago, and still is easily tempted while in a safe area to demonstrate my cars ability to go fast...

That bill has little to do with street racing. The people who oppose that bill may not know it, but the politicians who vote that bill down know darn well what its all about. Wonder if SEMA can get involved?

[1969CamaroRS]

In reality, both groups suck. One just sucks a bit more and in doing so likes to take stuff from people.

Actually both sides like to take stuff from people, just the offenses vary where they justify doing so.

[GrabberGT]

That bill has little to do with street racing. The people who oppose that bill may not know it, but the politicians who vote that bill down know darn well what its all about. Wonder if SEMA can get involved?


Please elaborate. If not about Street Racing, then what IS it about? Fuel economy, emissions standards??? No sarcasm intended here. Just taking an interest in the conversation.

[Tony_SS]

Please elaborate. If not about Street Racing, then what IS it about? Fuel economy, emissions standards??? No sarcasm intended here. Just taking an interest in the conversation.

I am certain Ohio already has a law against careless and imprudent driving.

So once again its bureaucrats using fear and a said "danger" to legislate overreaching power and control over 'civilians'. It's another power/revenue grab and a huge strike against personal property ownership and liberty under the guise of "safety".

To what end?

[Mkelcy]

Actually both sides like to take stuff from people, just the offenses vary where they justify doing so.

Agreed, sort of like the Republicans in Congress taking jurisdiction over Terry Schiavo away from the entire state of Florida, and substituting thier own political agenda for the legal and factual findings in a thoroughly litigated case.

In other words, the issue isn't Dems vs. Reps., it's politicians blowing with the wind (and, of course, mostly following the money). By the way, 39 (out of 46) Reps. voted for this Ohio bill.

[Tony_SS]

In other words, the issue isn't Dems vs. Reps.

It rarely is, that's just a distraction that diverts attention away from the real issues.

[ITLBTU]

I didn't read the bill earlier... Pretty scary. I wonder when they would take the vehicle? Before a guilty conviction, or after? The whole NOS portion is ridiculous as well. I seem to remember a few years ago here locally they were impounding peoples cars who were even present at a street race...

[BuddyP]

You are correct. My original source was totaling combined numbers in the legislative and executive branches (and fed) which is a distinct D majority.

More Government is never the answer to a problem and more Government control over the populace is a benefit only to the Government. Government seizure of private property is simply a violation of the US Constitution. One group in particular specializes in the provision of more of each.
And the fact that all 11 names on this bill have a D next to their name.

[68Formula]

Please elaborate. If not about Street Racing, then what IS it about? Fuel economy, emissions standards??? No sarcasm intended here. Just taking an interest in the conversation.

It goes beyond street racing.

"(excerpt) The bill expands the definition of "street racing" to also include "any exhibition of speed or acceleration that is inconsistent with the normal operation of a vehicle on a public road, street, or highway." In addition, the bill provides that persons rendering assistance or encouragement in any form or manner to the defined competitive use of vehicles must be equally charged as participants (bill's additions to existing law are in italics)"

So if you do a burnout, give it a little more throttle to get around that slow poke, etc. you're busted. You don't even need another vehicle to be in the area, and you qualify under this bill, as "street racing." Oh, and if you did the little twirly thing with your fingers to encourage someone else to do burnout, you get a ticket as well.

I'm also very against any legislation that allows someone to seize your property. Levy fines maybe, but they have no right to say you have to take your property. No only is that wrong in general, but promotes abuse of the law by those that enforce it. Absolute socialism.

Boggles my mind that they continue to focus on stuff of little to no consequence, rather than tackle the real problems we have in this country. All of them want to take the easy way out.

[DaviRotten]

There is no need for high performance cars on the street.. Vehicles are meant to get people from point a to point b.. The safest and most effecient way of doing so are with the latest produced cars flex fuel or electric stuff along those lines..

Honestly bills like the ohio one send me this message ^ that I totally disagree with.. Im also the type of person that would oblige a standoff with actions taken against me robbing me of my rights , beliefs , and personal property like this bill does.

[wmhjr]

There is no need for high performance cars on the street.. Vehicles are meant to get people from point a to point b.. The safest and most effecient way of doing so are with the latest produced cars flex fuel or electric stuff along those lines..


Was this intended as sarcasm? Do you really believe there is no need for high performance cars on the street? Flex fuel and electric? I certainly hope not. I'm not endorsing unsafe driving or street racing. But to believe the above statement is absolutely in my mind no different than saying there is no reason for good restaraunts because the safest and most efficient means of nutrition is by using prepackaged, unflavored, synthetically processed food. Or that the safest and most efficient means of dressing us by using only undyed cotton or wool overalls and nothing else is worth discussing. High performance cars were BORN on the street. Racing is a byproduct of street cars - not the other way around.

I think you meant this as sarcasm but from the way it was written I'm not entirely sure.

[Tony_SS]

^ I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm.

The problem I have is when the so called 'red-light' cameras start doing the enforcing. So, in time, they could install some technology to detect screeching tires or exhaust/engine decibel output. They snap a shot of your license, show up at your house and seize your property for a violation. Once a law is in place, there's really no stopping that procedure.

[no bling]

This new law is being pushed by a lawyer who's neice was injured in a accident by a vehicle that had been racing. After the race was over he got on it and went into oncoming traffic and hit her head on. The driver was killed at the scene. The girl has been going through rehab since the accident. They charged the driver of the car he had been racing with manslaughter. A jury would not convict him because a race was not occuring when the accident happened. The car that hit the young girl was a late model GTO with nitrous. It was winter when this happened and the car was driving on ET streets. Not the best tire when the temprature is around freezing. He also may have been drinking. The family did not get a conviction so this is how they are fighting back.

[wmhjr]

I understand and sympathize. But they are no different and no better than the people who want to outlaw guns. Or the people who want to ban alcohol. Or..... Fill in the blank.

They take a situation where somebody was doing something that was ALREADY illegal and try to then punish everyone including those who are NOT criminals. While I sympathize for their loss, I am filled with disgust for their behavior.

[68Formula]

This new law is being pushed by a lawyer who's neice was injured in a accident by a vehicle that had been racing. After the race was over he got on it and went into oncoming traffic and hit her head on. The driver was killed at the scene. The girl has been going through rehab since the accident. They charged the driver of the car he had been racing with manslaughter. A jury would not convict him because a race was not occuring when the accident happened. The car that hit the young girl was a late model GTO with nitrous. It was winter when this happened and the car was driving on ET streets. Not the best tire when the temprature is around freezing. He also may have been drinking. The family did not get a conviction so this is how they are fighting back.

So if the other car had never existed, and the driver that hit the other vehicle had gotten on it, while listening to "I can't drive 55," Sammy Hagar would deserve a ticket as well?

[6'9"Witha69]

:lol:

[406 Q-ship]

This new law is being pushed by a lawyer who's neice was injured in a accident by a vehicle that had been racing. After the race was over he got on it and went into oncoming traffic and hit her head on. The driver was killed at the scene. The girl has been going through rehab since the accident. They charged the driver of the car he had been racing with manslaughter. A jury would not convict him because a race was not occuring when the accident happened. The car that hit the young girl was a late model GTO with nitrous. It was winter when this happened and the car was driving on ET streets. Not the best tire when the temprature is around freezing. He also may have been drinking. The family did not get a conviction so this is how they are fighting back.

The lack of the idiot getting convicted is the fault of stupid people on the jury, or an inept prosecutor. So now a cop with a bad attitude can take my car in Ohio if he does like the way I pass another vehicle.........welcome to the new USSR.

[critter]

Don't they have something important to do, say, like creating jobs? Might mention that when you talk to your elected officials. Might find the sponsor of the bill, whether he's you rep or not, and mention it as well.

[Jim Nilsen]

I want to know why they don't enforce the laws they have ? How can making a new law like this make things any more illegal than the wreckless driving and careless driving charges already do?

Leaves only a way to confiscate your car and make money off of it, and if that is what they want I will be right there filming their wives,children and any other person connected to them that will donate to their stupidity.

vote them all out,start early if you can

[68Formula]

I want to know why they don't enforce the laws they have ? How can making a new law like this make things any more illegal than the wreckless driving and careless driving charges already do?


Exactly!

[6'9"Witha69]

The problem is making laws with subjective boundaries. Was it really racing? Was it really unsafe? Was it . . . ?

As others have said, a cop with a bad 'tude or having a bad day can have a whole lotta fun without needing very much basis.

[DaviRotten]

Was this intended as sarcasm? Do you really believe there is no need for high performance cars on the street? Flex fuel and electric? I certainly hope not. I'm not endorsing unsafe driving or street racing. But to believe the above statement is absolutely in my mind no different than saying there is no reason for good restaraunts because the safest and most efficient means of nutrition is by using prepackaged, unflavored, synthetically processed food. Or that the safest and most efficient means of dressing us by using only undyed cotton or wool overalls and nothing else is worth discussing. High performance cars were BORN on the street. Racing is a byproduct of street cars - not the other way around.

I think you meant this as sarcasm but from the way it was written I'm not entirely sure.

LOL.. Did u not read the lower portion of my post where I say the qoute posted was the message I always get and disagree with. They can take there Ralph Nader tactics shov'em where the sun dont shine.. :machine:

[wmhjr]

LOL.. Did u not read the lower portion of my post where I say the qoute posted was the message I always get and disagree with. They can take there Ralph Nader tactics shov'em where the sun dont shine.. :machine:

I did read it and still wasn't sure. I didn't (and still don't) see where you were quoting which is why I asked. No harm.

[rocketman]

get a lawyer, do the defective equipment like everyone else no big deal

[BrianJ]

If you're in a 4 door 2008 Malibu and punch it to ge by someone, no problem. If you're in a 1968 MALIBU, SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR HOT ROD.

[68Formula]

If you're in a 4 door 2008 Malibu and punch it to ge by someone, no problem. If you're in a 1968 MALIBU, SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR HOT ROD.

The discretion would definitely be biased against performance vehicles.

[Jim Nilsen]

Here is a way to get back at people in our government that they can't stop and condone.

Someone in a city called the crimestoppers and told them that there was a drug house growing pot at a disclosed address. The whole dea crew showed up, shot the dog, trashed the place and found nothing.

It was the mayors house.

I bet that is one mayor that will quit trying to go after everyone for his own desires and pursecutions anymore and more than likley doesn't like crimestoppers anymore !

These politicians have families and know someone that is already breaking the law but think they and their families are above it. it's time to go after them with their own medicine. Cry wolf on them and let the fun begin.