ever seen this??? vintage caddy [Archive]

LMDGUY

01-03-2010, 08:42 PM

Well I picked up 63 caddy coupe deville with a 390. Car has been sitting for a few years. We did get it started but it snapped the water pump belt. WP was frozen. Got it home and took it apart and found this..
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/63caddy007-1.jpg
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/63caddy011-1.jpg
I have purchased a few cars in the pass that had been sitting for awhile but I have never seen anything like this, It like a wax paste. I had to take a screw driver and push it thru , I flushed the block with the hose till clear water came out, no other wax stuff?? Is it just old coolant?

MCMLXIX

01-03-2010, 10:09 PM

no idea... maybe somebody used radiator stop leak... and this is where it all decided to stop...

67 ls1 vert

01-03-2010, 10:22 PM

The coolant jelled. Dang, that's a mess.

mc84_zz4

01-04-2010, 05:05 AM

That is just plain old nasty. :barf:

WS6

01-04-2010, 05:26 PM

You may want to try and see how to responds to heat ie does it harden and burn or melt and flow. Hopefully it'll become liquid in which case I would recommend you go over the outside of the block and get it nice and warm to ensure this stuff is out as best as possible. Last thing you want is a partial blockage on one section that's not discovered until there's damage.

MonzaRacer

01-05-2010, 08:43 AM

Its silicates from older coolant, mixed with aluminum corrosion, cast corrosion and may be some sort of radiator sealer or block sealer.
Hadnt seen that it years. hopefully you can dig out cover and block is free, otherwise your in for long job of tear down and clean up.
If cover passages are good, you might get away with weak muriactic acid cleaning, dont think you can get the old powdered solder seal rad cleaner anymore, it would eat most of that away, but couldnt leave in rad for long either.

LMDGUY

01-05-2010, 10:56 AM

Ok. Well Im replacing water pump, add tstat (didnt have one, Im worried) have to remove the timing cover cause of broken bolts =( I ran the water hose thru all the ports of the engine till flowed clear. I guess I should send out the radiator for a rod/boil.
Oh and thank you for the input guys!!

Mr.VENGEANCE

01-05-2010, 01:31 PM

a damn whole new Ecosystem in there..

LMDGUY

01-05-2010, 04:42 PM

a damn whole new Ecosystem in there..

LOL.. pretty much

class67

01-05-2010, 05:20 PM

those 390's can be a bear to get parts for too....My dad has 59 Coupe De Ville and it is a PITA. good luck!

LMDGUY

01-05-2010, 07:28 PM

those 390's can be a bear to get parts for too....My dad has 59 Coupe De Ville and it is a PITA. good luck!

so far not too bad, my Napa got me a water pump and Copper's Auto parts in Burbank is gettin me all the gaskets & a service manual. Didnt really have a choice with this project the wife fell in love when she saw it.

MCMLXIX

01-05-2010, 09:02 PM

Where are the pics of the whole car? as interesting as the mucked up water pump is I would rather see the car itself ... :)

LMDGUY

01-06-2010, 05:57 AM

well nothing too special looking right now, but the car is complete ( all trim and interior ) no dent or rust that we have found yet & a clean A class Arizona title :1st:
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/63caddy004-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/63caddy005-1.jpg

Mr.VENGEANCE

01-06-2010, 06:10 AM

got some nice patina going there...

southernfriedcj

01-06-2010, 12:14 PM

MCMLXIX

01-15-2010, 09:25 PM

Very Nice.... I picked up a 64 Olds but its a 4dr... at least its a hard top.... but needs a new trans...

formula

01-16-2010, 01:07 AM

Nothing too special?!?!?! That's a bad mamma jamma if I've ever seen one! Huge potential there, love that body style.

shmoov69

01-16-2010, 08:01 AM

Have you seen Jimmy Vaughns green caddy? You WILL get some inspriation from it!
Cool car!
Pull the drain plugs from the side of the block and punch them with a screwdriver to clear them while flushing. I do like the muratic acid idea and then flush out tho. But that may kill the already ancient freeze plugs.

shmoov69

01-16-2010, 08:01 AM

LMDGUY

01-16-2010, 01:34 PM

Well I finnally got the front cover off, it trashed need to find a new one. The plastic on the timing chain is broke off on half the gear and the engine is really slushed up. Proably gonna pull the engine and send it to my machinest to see what he thinks.

sniper

01-16-2010, 02:21 PM

What are your plans with this car? These cars are awesome slammed.

I'm building a 65 currently. 22's bagged with slam bags and accuair controls, penske shocks, wegner spec engine just shy of 600hp, lambo giallo yellow for paint, frenched side arrows, SQ driven boston acoustics sound system SPG555 with tunable radiator, SPZ 6.5 components, couple of BA amps, all black leather interior and some other crap. Should be a pretty cool land yacht.

LMDGUY

01-16-2010, 06:50 PM

Mark your 65 sounds like its goin to be a sweet ride! Do you have any pics?? I have a 65 4door also that Im tryin to sell. Well this is goin to be the wife cars but who know maybe it will show up at SEMA 2011. Plans are about the same, airbag, nice sound system, black body with a different color roof, gonna keep all the trim but remove the door handles.
Here are some pics of the mess I found in the 390.
https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/63caddy017-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/63caddy019-1.jpg

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2010/01/63caddy020-1.jpg

shmoov69

01-16-2010, 08:15 PM

Gotta love non-detergent oil! Lol

LMDGUY

01-17-2010, 06:55 AM

Gotta love non-detergent oil! Lol

hahaha yup. scary part is I have seen newer cars come into the shop lookin like that cause of lack of maintance

MCMLXIX

01-20-2010, 02:21 AM

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/1542411344.html

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/1535130761.html

2ndgenhunter

01-20-2010, 02:33 AM

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/1542411344.html

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/1535130761.html

Joe there is you an engine and Rich a tranny. 1 stop shopping for both of you. LOL

montessaj

01-20-2010, 03:42 AM

Holy Bananas that engine is a serious mess. Beautiful car though.

LMDGUY

01-20-2010, 08:55 AM

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/1542411344.html

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/1535130761.html

thanks I found this also, Im doin some reasearch on the block cause from what I under stand they were all different in the early 60's

6'9"Witha69

01-20-2010, 09:04 AM

Gotta love non-detergent oil! Lol
Looks like a Penzoil motor!

terryr

01-20-2010, 02:34 PM

You should always change the oil once every ten years whether it needs it or not.

shmoov69

01-20-2010, 04:42 PM

Looks like a Penzoil motor!
Ehh, urban legend! I have always run the yellow stuff with no problems. Heck, one 90 chevy truck I had put over 450,000 on it and overheated it twice, BAD! It looked like it had about 50,000 on it when I pulled the heads off to put new headgaskets on it when it had 400,000 on it!
In case you were wondering why I did not rebuild it then, well with those kind of miles, it was pretty much just a science project to see how long it would go. I sold it with 450k on it and it was still running hard.
Just keep it clean and changed fairly regular and oil will be oil IMO!