Time Attack Mustangs

[hechtrod]

Ok, so that "other" post I made in here the other day about mixing japanese flush style with pro-touring cars got a lot of flack. It's cool. I respect you Pro-Touring guys and your hard driving cars and style.

Here's two Mustangs that are really up my alley! Time Attack is probably the second biggest up and coming motorsport in the amatuer racing world and Willow Springs had a Redline Time Attack event that was covered by Speedhunters.com in this post they made today: http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/06/03/gallery-gt-gt-more-action-from-willow-springs.aspx

I saw these 2 Mustangs (Fox Bodies) that make me drool and inspire me to build that 60's street road racer style car and thought I'd share them over here (no stretch and poke).

K, rip me a new one in t minus 3, 2, 1 GO!!!
:enguard:
Chris

[Young Gun]

the first one is cool... but I need to see some numbers to prove the wing does something on the second... ugh big wings irritate me...

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

now thats more like it..

[Ralph LoGrasso]

The blue one is bitchin. Wing on the second is a little fugly, but if it's functional, then to each his own.

[nightrunner]

the wing on the gray one is too much. and there looks to be excessive front camber on the blue one

[Bryce]

the agent47 mustangs are teh best looking and performing out there

[SatisTraction]

the blue car looks just like one i built. sonic blue is a nice color!

[6'9"Witha69]

These I can do. Having owned a fax body I know there are very fun little cars with a lot of easy upgrades to made them handle. Function over form. It fits in my book.

[Damn True]

I prefer real race cars.

...and if you are talking Mustang Race Cars, there's none faster than this AIX machine:

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...and now Ernesto has an 800hp turbo mill....nuckin futs!

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Big wing.....mandatory.

[WS6]

neither one looks bad to me. What is Time Attack though?

[acohoon]

neither one looks bad to me. What is Time Attack though?

Time attack is huge in Japan and leads many of their top car builders to create some of the baddest race cars I have ever seen. Its all about the fastest lap at the end of the day. Trying to beat the course record etc...

Google it and look for images of the cars. You guys may not like the look but they are often the essence of function over form. I saw a tuner mag at the store the other day that I just had to read when I saw the cover car. I guy in japan had built and entire Mazda Rx-7 body out of carbon fiber for weight savings and to cover the extreme width wheels.

I don't know how else to describe it. The entire movement behind the event seems to be making a lot of race shops push the edges of technology and performance ahead.

[Damn True]

neither one looks bad to me. What is Time Attack though?

Essentially the same as NASA time trial.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Time attack Viper!

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/06/971433449_15df012c7c_b-1.jpg

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Time attack RX7

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2009/06/2500674821_a90bcba08f_o-1.jpg

[hechtrod]

Time Attack or its also called Lap Battle is cars built for the fastest 1 lap. Super sticky tires, crazy aero, super lightweight, engines on the edge, etc. There's various classes, so that crazy stuff is left for the Unlimited Classes, but there are street cars like these two Mustangs. Those Wings are functional, no doubt. I personally like the smooth trunk look, but for the track, its all good.

[hechtrod]

The Redline Time Attack event at Willow Springs even had this Firebird in the pits. Nice Vintage Trans Am style.

[Memphis]

That Firebird is dead sexy

[PleaseNoSteve]

Me likey the Viper......

[hechtrod]

More Firedbird from speedhunters.com

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

its not like the classics are rarely at any of these events.. they do make a showing..

the SCCA ,Vintage trans am has TONS of them.. and it has nothing to do with the japanese racing stuff.. basically its similar to the time attack events but a diffrent name.

[hechtrod]

You know what I'd love to see? A World Championship for Time Trial/Lap Battle/Time Attack (I don't care what its called) competition with only a couple different classes (street mod and Unlimited) and run the 5-10 best tracks around the world. I'm very curious to see the AIX and Japanese Unlimiteds go head to head. Would be cool to see. The tracks should have a combination of long/high speed and shorter/technical tracks so the competition pushes the cars in all road racing situations. Fastest Lap wins!

Pit that 800hp turbo AIX Mustang and friends up against the fastest Japanese cars (turbo NSX, EVO, RX7s and Skylines) and through in a McLaren F1 and Saleen S7 just for a fun comparo!

Chris

[Damn True]

The tracks should have a combination of long/high speed and shorter/technical tracks so the competition pushes the cars in all road racing situations.

Except for the actual racing....minor detail.

[6'9"Witha69]

Except for the actual racing....minor detail.
Cracking me up!!:1st:

[hechtrod]

Except for the actual racing....minor detail.

Yeah, those autocrossers are weaksauce! Why can't they race someone around cones instead of the clock. Lame-o's!:machine:

Cut the guy some slack. He posts one "lame" thread and the rest of 'em get the automatic:enguard:
ha ha

It's good times in here. Honestly though, it does weed out the hosers who aren't into the essence of pro-touring, which opposite to popular belief, I am.
Chris

[Damn True]

Because it's brilliance justifies a thread unto itself I'll give you a link instead:

https://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?p=533844#post533844

[Scott Parkhurst]

I like the time trial idea for many of us with street-based cars who'd rather not go fender-to-fender. It gives you the opportunity to test your car and your driving skills in a safe environment without worrying about hitting anyone else, or vice versa. I'm down with that. Yes- it's bigger autocross, and that's all good to me. I like passing guys too, but your fastest lap should be the one without any traffic around, and that reflects the quality of the car/driver package in one respect. Granted- passing is an art form at high speed, and I'm all for racing, but I think these time trials surely have their place too.

[hechtrod]

There you go Scott! I agree. Sure if I made big bucks, I'd love to be a "real race car driver". Not in the cards I guess. So, instead I'll have to be ok with a cool street car that I can enjoy owning and driving and tinkering with.

[jackfrost]

can someone tell me if there is actually any benefit to THAT much negative camber? seems like you would need a lot of body roll to get the tire back to a normal contact patch, and therefore make it not desirable. ?

[hechtrod]

can someone tell me if there is actually any benefit to THAT much negative camber? seems like you would need a lot of body roll to get the tire back to a normal contact patch, and therefore make it not desirable. ?

I wonder if that blue fox body is a part time drifter setup car? I believe the camera lens that's being used is a wideangle, so that will add some funkyness at the edges of the shot...I don't know...

[Damn True]

can someone tell me if there is actually any benefit to THAT much negative camber? seems like you would need a lot of body roll to get the tire back to a normal contact patch, and therefore make it not desirable. ?


Too much negative camber has a detrimental impact on braking, and of course will cause uneven tire temps, reduce grip and cause uneven wear. All of which are only important if you are engaged in actually trying to get around the track quickly as opposed to vehicular figure-skating......er...drifting.

[jackfrost]

vehicular figure-skating......er...drifting.

ahh.... 'nuff said.

[Joey_H]

I've been to several NASA AI/AIX races and the fox bodies always run a bunch of negative camber.

[Damn True]

I've been to several NASA AI/AIX races and the fox bodies always run a bunch of negative camber.


Unless you have an SLA conversion (Agent-47, Griggs etc) you kinda have to in order to make 'em turn. A bunch though is different from too much.

[CptKlutz]

Back to the Fox bodies: like 'em both! The gunpowder smell of PURPOSE on both of them.
Time trial seems like a good idea. You still get to work the car w/o bumping into others. Way better than parking lot racing in 2nd for sure! Hint hint...:enguard:

[WS6]

Thanks for the explanations everyone. It sounds like a lot of fun

[79-TA]

I've been to several NASA AI/AIX races and the fox bodies always run a bunch of negative camber.

Here's the dominant AI fox body from my region . . . no aggressive negative camber here.

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/noimg.gif




Anyway, time trial events are great. As others have already said, you get to lap a track as quickly as you can/dare but with the possibility of car to car collisions (mostly) removed.

I'd like to eventually run one of the Redline events at Fontana. They've made a muscle car class in that series that the Spectre cars run in sometimes.

[Ash]

I thought about posting a thread a month or so back about this topic. The "super Lap Battle" time attack has rule #5 : "Push rods are not allowed". SuperStreet & Sport Compact Car are the founders of this particular event, and are, as expected, all about the imports. But they still allow the Euro Crowd to compete in the race. Like the JIC Magic USA 1996 Porsche GT2 (boarderline lemans car that caused a big ass upset), GMG Motorsports 2003 Porsche GT2 , and the Trackhq.com/APR Performance 2005 Lotus Elise.

Primedia owns all the publications sponsoring the event, (import tuner, Superstreet, and Eurotuner) as well as most of the muscle and performance magazines you pick up on a monthly basis. I don't see why this could'nt be an event that could annually span and include all it's car magazines. I think it would be very unifieing among the car culture.

[hechtrod]

I agree Ash. If they want to have some competition and grow the sport of Time Attack, let the pushrod boys play. I guess you can run a newer sohc/dohc Mod Mustang Motor in your pt Ford. :)