'68 Camaro Amsterdamned

[CliffS]

Posting this for my buddy Erik since I shot some pics when I gave him a helping hand last week.
Introducing a overseas '68 Camaro located in Amsterdam, the Netherlands.
Three years and counting body off restauration. A turbo-ed SBC, 6 speed manual, Moser rear end. Erik will post the details. All parts from Frank @ Prodigy.

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[1971CHEVELLE]

looks good

[neki67]

Nice! What steering box is he using?

[CliffS]

Nice! What steering box is he using?

It's the 600 series, quick ratio from DSE

[amsterdam]

Thanks Cliff for posting the pictures!!

I drove the car for 5 years before I started disambling it.
I was in shock off what came above. That's when I decided to go all the way.

It got a new trunk floor, rear frame, floores,tail panel. The subframe was very bad, it had rotten mounting holes.



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Erik

[amsterdam]

More body work:

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[amsterdam]

at sandblasting subframe and body:


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Body work so far.

Erik

[Motown 454]

Erik its coming out nice. The sub frame looks good too.
Wayne

[amsterdam]

Engine is a sbc eddy heads comp extreme turbocam martin turbo system rajay turbo.
Moser rear 3.55 gear, tko 600 being orderd as we speak thanks Frank!!

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Home made spacer:

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Erik

[amsterdam]

Thanks guys, still a lot of work but no more welding and grinding. It's nice to put it all together now. Hope to have it on the wheels soon.

Erik

[CruizinKev]

man that looks nice!! :twothumbs ..those big parts like 9" rear end and stuff is available over there? sounds interesting because I'm in Germany ;)

[Twentyover]

Help me out figuring how the turbo works please- maybe pictures from a different angle?

[awr68]

What is this all about? Is that Bondo?
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[joejaze]

That actually looks like something that came out of my kids diaper this morning.

[ods dan]

looks like some heat absorbing stuff.. for the welding... not to warp panels from heat.

[amsterdam]

Parts have to come over sea's, so it can take some time before they are here. Because of the shippingtime by boat (big parts), that takes 4 to 6 weeks, and if we have luck at the boarder. Otherwise it may stay there for a time. And you have to pay about 30% taxes.

Yes that is heat absorbing stuff.

Turbu system is a draw thru with a 2 pice intake manifold, at low rpm it works NA, at higher rpm it closes 2 valves and it is under boost, in the intake it hase a boost geard set at 9 psi.

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Erik

[icebird84]

nice project

[ProdigyCustoms]

Wow, that turbo set up looks crazy! Thanks for sending me the link.

This car defines "Crate Camaro" as I think we have sent you a Camaro in 10 crates, lol!

Everyone in ths states, you cannot imagine how difficult it is to do this in a country that does not even have a parts book with a listing for a Camaro! There is no NAPA, Classic Industries, or Prodigy Customs in Amsterdam.

Erik, your doing a great job. We have another crate coming your way soon. Lisa says we plan to come take a ride when it is finished.

[CliffS]

After the rear got a POR15 treatment we decided to install the axles and Wilwood rear disc kit.

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The Camaro will still have a staggered shock set up. To prevent any caliper-shock clearance problem Frank advised to rotate and flip the rotor bracket. To accomplice the same configuration as the passenger site we even got the bracket up one treaded hole in the backingplate.

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Looking nice....

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The bottom prepared and will be finished in 2/3 weeks. After some paint we will put the body back on the subframe and rear/leafs.

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[T_Raven]

Nice progress. I definitely need to stop by Amsterdam some day.

[Code Red]

awesome

[amsterdam]

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[amsterdam]

Thanks Frank, the parts are coming out great! Can't wait to get the other crate.

Cliff, thanks again for the help. It was a very productive evening/night!

Erik

[BMF Machine]

GreaT RidE! Can we all come visit the CoffeE ShopS witH ya? LmaO!:smoke::smoke::smoke:

[kmcanally]

Hey, very nice build. I have been to Amsterdam a few times...the European distributor for the company I work for is in Apeldoorn.

[CruizinKev]

man really nice build - above all it's in europe! :twothumbs

[Chad-1stGen]

Love all the pics. Looks like you guys are doing it right.

Funky turbo setup.

[CliffS]

Small update from across the pond.
The body was set in epoxy primer a while ago. To finish the bottom inside and outside a stonechip protection has been used

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On top of that a primer and a black top coat of paint, turned out real great.

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The next step will be putting back the body on the subframe and rear next week!!!

[BMF Machine]

Wow, that turbo set up looks crazy! Thanks for sending me the link.

Erik, your doing a great job. We have another crate coming your way soon. Lisa says we plan to come take a ride when it is finished.

CaR looks fantastiC, Can I go to? Coffee, Coffee, Coffee!

[amsterdam]

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Here are some step bij step pics, my homie Michel at work!!


Erik

[Chevrolaine]

Awesome! Doing some great work there!

[amsterdam]

Thanks for all the compliments!!
Started with some bodywork:

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Erik

[jy211]

Looking good!

[CruizinKev]

very nice!!!!

[CliffS]

After a major delay from a Dutch parts supplier for some 3" drop DSE leafs we got an update. We made a big step on Erik' Camaro (almost witnessed a big man cry :evil:). It's a ROLLER!!!
The body has been put on the fully prepped subframe, 12 bolt Moser, leafs, rear sway bar and subframe connectors welded and bolted in. TTII for mock up only.
The firewall was treated a coat of epoxy primer.
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[CruizinKev]

very nice work! :twothumbs

[amsterdam]

It was a fantastic weekend! Used all our time for the right thing!!
Thanks for the helping hands guys!

Erik

[Motown 454]

The car looks great.

[Doober]

Beautiful, simply beautiful :D

That intake/turbo setup looks sweet :shock: Was the intake a one-off deal? Did you cut it or was it cast that way?

[amsterdam]

Beautiful, simply beautiful :D

That intake/turbo setup looks sweet :shock: Was the intake a one-off deal? Did you cut it or was it cast that way?

The intake was cast that way, just made the spacer myself.

Erik

[badbu68]

Looks nice!

[Turbo67camaro]

Does the turbo system use a cross over pipe to feed exhaust from both sides to spin the turbo?

[amsterdam]

Does the turbo system use a cross over pipe to feed exhaust from both sides to spin the turbo?

Yes the system use's a cross over pipe here is a picture of a simular setup it only has the turbo in a diverend angle

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Erik

[Code Red]

looking sweet

[Turbo67camaro]

Nice!

It will be very interesting to me how well your draw through setup works.

If I recall correctly, I read they have a little extra turbo lag compared to blow through. The extra lag could improve MPG if it allows the driver to make entering boost a more deliberate act. That could be desirable on a street car.

If you want to run a working cowl induction system, that should be fairly easy to setup after dealing with any height changes vs. stock cowl induction.

Another nice part about draw through is you still have vacuum upstream of the turbo, when the turbo is in boost. I imagine you could run a standard brake booster as long as it can handle the elevated vacuum that the draw side of the turbo should create.

I have a lightly used draw through system like yours that I may end up using to keep costs down. It uses an adapter that sits between the carb or throttle body and a standard intake manifold. It was barely used and came out of a turbo SBC RV. For $300, I got a rajay turbo, both exhaust manifolds (one OEM turbo flanged), the exhaust cross over pipe, the intake adapter, the piping to/from the turbo, and a boost gauge! It has been boxed up for ~18+ years.

On the one hand, I doubt the turbo I have will spool up as quickly a recently designed one. On the other hand, once boost kicks in, I'm guessing handling, tuning, and controlling the old turbo's boost will be more of a limiting factor than the dated turbo. It is sized a little on the small side which should help lag at the expense of a little total power.

If STS can apparently design a rear mounted turbo system with little lag, one would think low lag should be achievable using a draw through turbo that is mounted only inches from the engine, especially given the advances in turbo design improving spool up.

[poormans69]

I just returned from Amsterdam yesterday. I wish I had the time to come see the work. Car looks great and the Dutch people are very friendly.

[amsterdam]

Nice!

It will be very interesting to me how well your draw through setup works.

If I recall correctly, I read they have a little extra turbo lag compared to blow through. The extra lag could improve MPG if it allows the driver to make entering boost a more deliberate act. That could be desirable on a street car.

If you want to run a working cowl induction system, that should be fairly easy to setup after dealing with any height changes vs. stock cowl induction.

Another nice part about draw through is you still have vacuum upstream of the turbo, when the turbo is in boost. I imagine you could run a standard brake booster as long as it can handle the elevated vacuum that the draw side of the turbo should create.

I have a lightly used draw through system like yours that I may end up using to keep costs down. It uses an adapter that sits between the carb or throttle body and a standard intake manifold. It was barely used and came out of a turbo SBC RV. For $300, I got a rajay turbo, both exhaust manifolds (one OEM turbo flanged), the exhaust cross over pipe, the intake adapter, the piping to/from the turbo, and a boost gauge! It has been boxed up for ~18+ years.

On the one hand, I doubt the turbo I have will spool up as quickly a recently designed one. On the other hand, once boost kicks in, I'm guessing handling, tuning, and controlling the old turbo's boost will be more of a limiting factor than the dated turbo. It is sized a little on the small side which should help lag at the expense of a little total power.

If STS can apparently design a rear mounted turbo system with little lag, one would think low lag should be achievable using a draw through turbo that is mounted only inches from the engine, especially given the advances in turbo design improving spool up.

If you take a look at the picture below you'll see 6(only 4 1/2 at the picture) openings at low rpm they will be open and the engine will work normal and will not breathe through the turbo, at higher rpm the turbo will spool and draw the mixer through the turbo and will push against the metal flaps under the 6 holes and will close them, now the engine will see boost, and should not have any turbo lag


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Erik

[CliffS]

I just returned from Amsterdam yesterday. I wish I had the time to come see the work. Car looks great and the Dutch people are very friendly.


Let us know upfront next time, you PT guys are always welcome!

[CliffS]

Hey guys, has been a while. Erik moved house and I did too recently. The '68 has not seen much love the past couple of months so Erik' wife thought it was about time to take some action. She arranged our friend painter to come over and take care of the firewall and dash. As this was a surprise Erik was take there blindfolded; and surprised he was..ever seen a grown man cry hahah LOL.

Here the Camaro taken away from storage

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Painter Michel and collegue on the job

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In the paint boot, we got some color!!!

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Since most of the parts for build up are already here it won't take long to mate body and driveline. Updates will follow soon...

[CruizinKev]

awesome! me likes the color! :twothumbs

[LeighP]

wow..awesome colour.

[amsterdam]

Thanks for the compliments.
It was a great surprice.
Hope to drop the engine in soon.

Erik

[Smock67]

Great looking color and project. I can't even imagine how much it must suck to wait for parts. It has certainly not stopped you from making one sick looking Camaro, i can't wait to see some more pics and here that engine running.

[amsterdam]

Getting parts can be a real pain in the .....
Frank from Prodigy is a great help getting them here.

Erik

[CliffS]

Small update but big step towards completion. Engine and tranny were mated and put back in the Camaro after 4 years!

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[amsterdam]

It was a very productive weekend thanks to a lot of helping friends.

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Erik

[CruizinKev]

:drool: very nice!

[Moabdude]

Very nice you guys from Amsterdam

Looks like a high power engine.
Hope you guys didn't forget to install the brake line that goes to the right front caliper......

I think you are going to beat me in having your ride on the road first.

[mc84_zz4]

Nice color! and I hope you took your wife out for a nice dinner after that!
Some awesome women that understand us car guys.
I can see that painting the firewall could be like pushing the fast-forward button on the project.
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[Motown 454]

Very nice, I love the color. That engine looks sweet in there. Nice work!

[amsterdam]

Thanks guys, painting the firewall sure gave the project a push.
Hope to get it on the road next year.
Took the wife out for a dinner, and she got a special treatment.

Erik

[Dalamar]

Great progress pictures. top notch work.

[QWK-SS]

Great work on the car! This is going to look great when finished..

What exactly is that color called?

[amsterdam]

We have been busy lately. So after 4 years the project becomes car again....

@ QWK-SS Colour is called burned orange.

Erik


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[CliffS]

Progress buddy, looking good. Next time drop me a line trutje :)

[CarQz17]

Is it normal to fill the void where the quarter and roof meet permanently?

[amsterdam]

It’s been a while, made some small progress brake line’s (it’s was a pain in the …. to get some 3/8 male to 7/16 female fittings for the brake line’s over here) and fuel line are under the car all stainless, also mounted the gas tank, driveshaft and the correct cross member.

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And picked up some new carbon fiber parts last weekend, got some great help from Manal at Anvil very nice to deal with.
Anyone with some experience with using the anvil hoods and not using hood pins? They recommend using hood pins ( but I like the hood better without hood pins)

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Erik

[CliffS]

Looking good buddy! Really curious about the hood pins!

[nvmyss]

I like the color and carbon. Looks like your working out of your garage now. I've always been impressed with what little space you guys have and yet do so much.
Keep the updates coming

[CliffS]

Guys, hood pins or not? any suggestions please, tnx

[amsterdam]

Havened done anything for a while, but last week I had my rear seat redone in the same style as the sparco milano seats, they came out better then I expected. Today I received some parts from Anvil, they are top-notch
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Erik

[CliffS]

Put it on, put it on LOL!!!
Was wondering this morning what's in those boxes, nice!!

[TT302Z28]

Love that color! Keep up the progress!

I'm tearing mine down now to bring the paint and body up to where yours will be. I have a good group of guys like it seems you do keeping me moving.

Did I mention I love that color?

[WS6]

Nice looking pieces Erik.

[mjds]

that intake looks killer!

[devin_22]

thats an awsome pile of parts, is that lower front fog light valance from anvil auto?

[Moabdude]

thats an awsome pile of parts, is that lower front fog light valance from anvil auto?

I also thought is was. But I remembered Mike from Musclerodz was working on one. And yes, he finally finished it. Looks awesome, just like the rest of Erik's car! Very nice!

Keep on building Erik, maybe we can join our cars in Muiden next year.

[chrismoe]

Very cool. ANOTHER reason to go to Amsterdam.

Chris

[amsterdam]

Its been an while, been very busy whit a new member of the family Loïs born 15-4-12.
But made some progress on the car lot of work to make the panels fit nicely.

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Erik

[Martin71RS]

mooi Erik!

[WS6]

I can see it now, the kid is going to be a hot rodder. Congrats on the new addition, Erik. The car is looking good as well. Those Anvil pieces look like they fit up really well.

[amsterdam]

Thanks for the thumps up, hope Loïs is going to love the car to.
I think its going to be assume to see your daughter drive your car and scare the crap out of guys at the stoplight.
Dint make a lot progress this weekend test fitted the rear bumper.
The Anvil parts are great they fit like a glove.



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Erik

[amsterdam]

Got some work on the body done, had to do some welding to get the seams between the doors and the fenders fit nice.
And I decided not to use a front bumper and welded the front fender extension to the fender.

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Erik

[CliffS]

Some nice progress buddy!

[amsterdam]

It's been a very long time but we have paint!!
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topping of the clear coating for a couple more coats of clear.
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Erik

[amsterdam]

Building time!

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Erik

[CliffS]

Pure car porn!

[Moabdude]

Very very nice!!
Ready this year?

[amsterdam]

Thanks guys hoop to have her on the road this summer.

Erik

[amsterdam]

Made some suspension upgrades.
Ridetech coilovers HQ, ridetech lowercontrole arms, musclebar and L&H spindles. Had to make some modifications to the Wildwood brackets and to the subframe.

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[Justin@EntropyRad]

Gorgeous color, especially with all the carbon

[MARBIL]

Awesome car, wish I would have seen this thread earlier, when I saw your pics of the floor cut out and the seat mount left in the car I really felt like an amateur (or stupid), never crossed my mind to leave them in, just goes to show your never to old to learn something new.

[rohrt]

Sweet!

[67SSDan]

Awesome build. Is it just me, or was that paint booth HUGE?

Dan

[Munssey]

Awesome build. Is it just me, or was that paint booth HUGE?

Dan

Haha, I had to do a double take myself to accept how big that was! The only thing more impressive than the size of that booth is the Camaro build (then again, i'm partial to both Carbon Fiber and the color Orange for obvious reasons).

[Bmf5150]

Very nice

[amsterdam]

Haha a buddy of my painted it and he works at a paint shop where they paint trucks whit horse trailers so there was space for 3 camaro's lol.
Thanks for the compliments!!

Erik

[amsterdam]

Made some progress last week, a lot of fine tuning parts to make them fit correct.

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[Gil]

Beautiful !

Love the contrast between carbon & orange
Very nice !

Mind if I ask if you sold already the speedtech U&LCA's ?
I'm in Lille in France so not too far from Netherlands

Gil

[amsterdam]

Had the headliner installed came out nice.Ridetech HQ rear shocks thanks MCB for the good service!! Ridetech gas cap.

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[Martin71RS]

gaat lekker Erik! nice build!

[amsterdam]

Thanks Martin.
Been busy with the engine bay.
Almost done.

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[cactuss4]

Fantastic looking ride! Kudo's

[amsterdam]

Started with the wiring. And mounted the rear bumper. Deleted the mounting bolt's on top of the bumper and shortened the bumper and the mounting bracket's.

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[Moabdude]

Awesome! can't wait to see this bad ass Camaro for real!!!
Good luck with the final part of assembly.

[amsterdam]

Thanks Bram, still a lot of work to do.
I hope to drive next summer!!

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[amsterdam]

Today I pushed the car outside to see it in the sun.
Really happy with the color and the carbon.

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[amsterdam]

It's been a while, took 11 years but she is done.
Got her on the road 3 month's ago.
Thought post some pics of the final result.

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[minendrews68]

I know your proud. Good job, now go out and enjoy it. Remember, someone is growing up to take your place behind the steering wheel soon enough!..

[amsterdam]

Thanks!!, First car I have build, you can't imagine how hard it is to get parts over here. We don't have summit classic ridetech......... Have to order everything over seas.
Got around 1000km on it now and the family loves driving it also happy times😀

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[rohrt]

Car looks great.

[b17brian]

Great looking Camaro! I bet it gets a lot of looks over there.

[minendrews68]

I can't remember when I've last seen that big of a smile on a woman's face!! Happy to say the least. I'm telling you, that young lady in the back seat will be moving mom out before you know it..

[amsterdam]

Thanks guy's!! I get a lot thump's up when driving. That was the first trip my wife drove and I think it's not going to be the last��. The little one says can we drive the race car, and says when I grow up can I drive it��

[Buryingthesun]

Very cool build!