Obsidian SG1

[claytonisbob]

What are some of your thoughts about the Obsidian SG1 mustang in the latest HotRod. I haven't seen anything about it posted before, and dont find anything on this particuar car when searching Obsidian.

Links:

http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars/2008/top-2008-Obsidian-SG-One-Ford-Mustang.htm

http://www.obsidiansg1.com/

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/12/2008ObsidianSGOneFordMustangSideAngle128-1.jpg

The HR article says it cost 1.3 million to build.

To me the bodywork is a little much. While I can appreciate the amount of work on the hood, bumper and rear, the intercooler layout is definitly not ideal (on top of the engine) and the hood buldge itself is very... large. The interior is nice (which I like, but warrenting at 1.3mil price IDK?). Torque arm rear suspension. It has a 850hp twin supercharged 392ci Windsor engine. Electronically shifted TKO.

I dont know, while I do like the car, I just don't understand the price being there are several cars here [mostly camaros though ;)] that seem to be on par with it, and are probably better performers (2x turboed LSx engines pushing at least 800hp, 3 to 4 link or independant rear suspensions) and < $250k budgets.

Maybe they changed their minds a lot, and the bodywork is a lot nicer/more elaborate than I thought.

[LowBuckX]

Wow could be nice butt like you said the hood is a tad;;;; nix that The hood is way gaudy.

[icebird84]

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[Flash68]

That might be the sickest car of all friggin time!

[compos mentis]

Maybe they changed their minds a lot, and the bodywork is a lot nicer/more elaborate than I thought.

The article said there were a lot of mid build changes.

Ironic that when Hot Rod had ex-Indy car driver Roberto Guerrero try and test it at the track, all kinds of problems cropped up.

[ProdigyCustoms]

I really like it. I could look over (no pun) the too big hood. I really like the brake cooler ducts in the top of the fenders and will borrowthat idea some day on something.

1.3 mil? I wish i could have got a piece of that action!

[1971CHEVELLE]

That might be the sickest car of all friggin time!
it is okay:) to extreme for my

[compos mentis]

Rough intro at the track. First the car wouldn't shift out of reverse... 5 hour fix later. The paddle shift's electronics controller is mounted right above the exhaust. Hot Rod's take is that the intense heat could have caused the electrical problems the tranny had. Add that to Guerrero missing a shift being unfamiliar with the "counterintuitive nature of the paddle shifter". Then they couldn't get it out of first gear after that happened, but he made a slow full lap in 1st gear anyways.

"Brought it back onto pit lane, shut it off, which was followed by a gush of hot, green fluid from under the car."

Hot Rod said if there is another track day, they'll do a follow up.

[BMF Machine]

I really like it. I could look over (no pun) the too big hood. I really like the brake cooler ducts in the top of the fenders and will borrowthat idea some day on something.

1.3 mil? I wish i could have got a piece of that action!


1.3 must be where the name came from? I love the car, but c'mon get serious with the price? Sick car for sure, but someone is not telling the truth about the sticker.IMO

[Steve Chryssos]

Mods are on par with The 'cuda--plus do-overs. Look closer and you will see a altered wheelbase and every panel tweaked--including the roof. Maybe even the windshield angle.

As for Hot Rod, they are on a mission to seek out over-the-top trailer queens. The goal is to continue they're weird anti pro-touring obsession. Let's see how they cover the Optima Challenge. Positive or negative? Will they show the cars that proved they can hunt or the cars that made poopie pants. Hopefully they will prove me wrong.

[compos mentis]

If I was going for an exotic look I'd toss the 392 Windsor. Instead wring every bit of power out of an aluminum 427 Cammer and add in Pantera EFI or some other top notch EMS to the mix. They'd lose the cooling problems also. Or most of 'em lol.

[wicked68]

its very pretty but like somone said - what are you going to do with it - especially at 1.3 mil

would you be willing to race it?

will it even run well on different tracks?

I think its counter intuitive to the pro-touring scene - its just been taken to the extreme - but it has its place - I am sure the person it was built for wanted a 1 of a kind over the top """"show car"""" which is what they got and I am sure it will get a lot of looks sitting behind a velvet rope in a building somewhere.

On a bright note - if it drives some innovation that gets adopted at a much a lower price out in the driver market - that would be good, but I am not sure it will since most of the stuff I see is not really practical.

I noticed the power numbers all say estimated - which means they have not dyno'd it and are just making some guesses. lol
it does not even have a roll cage which means you cant even get on a real track with it to race.

when they go out on a power tour or complete some real racing with it and come back to town to say its a reliable car then I will give them the golf clap.

[project hotrod]

I've seen worse... But I don't think it's too bad.

It is good to see it finished though.

I sold them the Rotrex blowers for that car when I worked at W2W

[mach1stang]

There is no way that there is 1.3 mil in it. The only way that car could have that much in it is if they built it two or three times.

[ProdigyCustoms]

I have not read it yet, but I would rather NOT have a feature if it reads like that.

[compos mentis]

I have not read it yet, but I would rather NOT have a feature if it reads like that.


Yes, it does read like that.

To quote Hot Rod on how the builder reacted:

"Matt was visibly devastated and uncertain why there were so many problems with the car that day...."

[CraigMorrison]

I can understand a paddle shifted auto, but on a manual where you still have to use the clutch? Where's the performance gain on that? I can really see where an ex F1 driver would get messed up trying to figure it out.

[CarlC]

I'm with Steve on this one. Lots and lots of things that are subtle, but lots of things that are not. For me, a subtle sledge hammer is preferable to a screaming one.


Devastated that the car did not work? He's never been to a track day before.

[BossaNova]

I think that grill is the shiz.......but I'd stop right there. Don't wear it out!

[Steve1968LS2]

Mods are on par with The 'cuda--plus do-overs. Look closer and you will see a altered wheelbase and every panel tweaked--including the roof. Maybe even the windshield angle.

As for Hot Rod, they are on a mission to seek out over-the-top trailer queens. The goal is to continue they're weird anti pro-touring obsession. Let's see how they cover the Optima Challenge. Positive or negative? Will they show the cars that proved they can hunt or the cars that made poopie pants. Hopefully they will prove me wrong.

In the Hot Rod story on the Optima event they say they fully expected the PT cars to fall flat on thier faces.. something like "victims of too many parts and not enough tuning"... They certainly weren't pleased I won.

Remember the feature that was promised the winner of the event? Well, not so much in my case. lol

I still don't see 1.3 million.. It doesn't seem that much nicer than the Ring Bros version and that car was less than a third of the cost. Then again build costs can ramp up fast, especially with lots of do-overs.

It's not a new build.. it was at SEMA two years ago..

[BonzoHansen]

"I still don't see 1.3 million"

If I read (or read into) the article correctly there was a lot of what we call scope creep/scope change. Fluid plans certainly raises the $$$$.

"I can understand a paddle shifted auto, but on a manual where you still have to use the clutch? "

It appears the car got a lot of stuff just to have it. When the article discussed the issues with the trans I coudln't help but think "WTH did they do that for?"

[Roger M]

The wheels should be real knock-offs instead of those fake bolt-ons, the hood fell from an ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down, and like others have said, a windsor motor on something built to this caliber is pretty weak. They should have put a cammer or something much mor exotic in it. Too much extra bling for my tastes. I doubt it will see $250k. That is my .02

[NOPANTS-68]

$1.3M- and we're using cheapo off the shelf wheels? Ouch. Rather have a Veyron and a Coke.

[Hartz]

It's nice, but....

The first thing I thought when I read the feature was, "Great, now Pro Touring has reached the Dobberton J-2000 level."

[compos mentis]

Here's the dyno figures:

Horsesepower: 847.8HP on California grade 91 octane fuel at 5,800 RPM (dyno verified)
Torque: 770 Lbs. Ft. Torque on California grade 91 octane fuel at 4,400 RPM (dyno verified)

[Steve1968LS2]

Here's the dyno figures:

Horsesepower: 847.8HP on California grade 91 octane fuel at 5,800 RPM (dyno verified)
Torque: 770 Lbs. Ft. Torque on California grade 91 octane fuel at 4,400 RPM (dyno verified)

Is that engine or rear wheel?

[barraza]

It's nice, but....

The first thing I thought when I read the feature was, "Great, now Pro Touring has reached the Dobberton J-2000 level."

Quote of the day.

Two additional things:

How did that guy piss off Hot Rod so much that the tone of the article was so negative?? I have never read anything from them (or any car mag) that was so critical of a feature.

NEVER let a professional racer drive your car unless it is proven and tested bulletproof. Wasn't Guerro the guy that crashed on the warmup lap at indy a dozen or so years ago?

[barraza]

Oops, its "Guerrero" and actually it was 92, he spun off on the pace lap after having qualified first. That was five years after he spent a couple of weeks in a coma after a wreck. Nice guy, but wont be invited to drive anything I own.

1.3 million? Maybe he's about the same percentage over budget as I am on my Camaro or my garage/home renovation project(don't ask). Time is money, custom design and built time is huge money.

[compos mentis]

As far as I can see they only use a chassis dyno at that shop.

I didn't see in the Hot Rod article or on the Obsidian website what kind of dyno was used.

Note the chart says "estimated flywheel".

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/12/obsidian_sg_one_dyno_test-1.jpg

[craigs73]

thats a sweet ride :1st:

[oestek]

$1.3M- and we're using cheapo off the shelf wheels? Ouch. Rather have a Veyron and a Coke.

Another great quote!

[claytonisbob]

www.obsidiansg1.com says that the car is 4100lbs. Holy cow! Makes my Chevelle sound like a lightweight.

[CarlC]

In the Hot Rod story on the Optima event they say they fully expected the PT cars to fall flat on their faces.. something like "victims of too many parts and not enough tuning"...

In Hot Rod's defense, there were some cars that did have problems. What they may not explain well, and is totally normal for every car (non-OE) that goes to the track for the first time, are the teething problems. If this same event was based on high-dollar 1/4-mile cars there would less breakdowns and more tuning. For road coarse events, there are more breakdowns simply because the vehicle systems are pushed much harder for much longer.

Though HR may seem biased and harsh, it may work out OK in the end since it will allow the builders the experience of failure. It's quite motivating to have a paradigm shift in your thinking after you find out what you thougt was OK, really isn't.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

and also a riveting success if you put it in their faces..

[trapin]

Hot Rod Magazine needs to die a slow and terrifying death.

In regards to the Obsidian car....lose the hood and intake and I got nothing but mad love for it.

[compos mentis]

In regards to the Obsidian car....lose the hood and intake and I got nothing but mad love for it.

Agreed.

From their spec page...

"The body has been extended 7” over stock"

That's obviously part of the reason for the 4100 lbs.

Certainly didn't hurt the looks.

I like the Shelby 65-66 style qtr windows and the black paint is a winner also.

[Boosted67]

55forward, if you only knew. That car is NOTHING of what is says. It makes nothing close to that. The intercoolers were taken off during the dynos runs because they were heat soaking, and they didn't use 91. They used race gas. It made 654 to the ground, which ain't all that bad. But an injustice to the engine built for that car. And it doesn't do the "1000hp, and 1200 hp with mre tuning." He asked that the numbers be fudged even higher than that, but they wouldn't becasue they new better. Car has horrible belt slip I don't know if they ever fixed.

[thedugan]

Awesome car.
What kind of seats are those?

[compos mentis]

55forward, if you only knew. That car is NOTHING of what is says. It makes nothing close to that. The intercoolers were taken off during the dynos runs because they were heat soaking, and they didn't use 91. They used race gas. It made 654 to the ground, which ain't all that bad. But an injustice to the engine built for that car. And it doesn't do the "1000hp, and 1200 hp with mre tuning." He asked that the numbers be fudged even higher than that, but they wouldn't becasue they new better. Car has horrible belt slip I don't know if they ever fixed.

Thanks for the info.

I had a a bad vibe about that dyno stuff. Its a chassis dyno yet no rwhp #'s are posted and than like I posted about it says "estimated flywheel".

[Boosted67]

Thanks for the info.

I had a a bad vibe about that dyno stuff. Its a chassis dyno yet no rwhp #'s are posted and than like I posted about it says "estimated flywheel".
Oh I know you knew. But he always claims how great it is, and honestly some parts are nice. But it's not quite what he says in many areas. "It's the fastest production mustang ever built." You can't make that claim when it's never been tested. They said it made 14psi and 900hp or some crap like that at it's SEMA debut. But it wasn't running then, and didn't run until 2 years later.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

55forward, if you only knew. That car is NOTHING of what is says. It makes nothing close to that. The intercoolers were taken off during the dynos runs because they were heat soaking, and they didn't use 91. They used race gas. It made 654 to the ground, which ain't all that bad. But an injustice to the engine built for that car. And it doesn't do the "1000hp, and 1200 hp with mre tuning." He asked that the numbers be fudged even higher than that, but they wouldn't becasue they new better. Car has horrible belt slip I don't know if they ever fixed.


Game over man, its game OVER!

https://static1.pt-content.com/images/pt/2008/12/hudson-1.jpg

[shmoov69]

It's nice, but....

The first thing I thought when I read the feature was, "Great, now Pro Touring has reached the Dobberton J-2000 level."
I was thinking of the J-2000 when I started reading about it! LOL!
Nice car..... neat things done to it.... innovative things.......buuuuut.....
FUGLY HOOD.......Wheels?!??!.........Windsor motor!??!?!.........and the price!??! No way!:enguard:

[compos mentis]

Make An Offer on the Obsidian SG-One Mustang
(Please read thoroughly BEFORE submitting your offer - SERIOUS INQUIRIES ONLY PLEASE!)

There is ONLY ONE Obsidian SG-One Mustang and YOU can own it. With well over 15,000 billable hours of the finest coach level craftsmanship PLUS the finest automotive components and materials available, this is the custom Mustang by which all others are measured. To duplicate the Obsidian SG-One would require approximately $1.3 million U.S. dollars and several years to complete (the builder and the owner have signed documentation stating they will not duplicate the vehicle). But you don't have to wait to own the ultimate. We are now accepting reasonable offers starting at $1.3M (U.S.). This is a cash transaction for sale of a vehicle only (not for rent or lease). Financing from seller or broker are not available.

Terms: $25,000 non-refundable deposit for arranging private viewing of vehicle within a two week period from receipt of deposit. Prior to transfer of the deposit, the buyer will be presented with a bill of sale, copy of the title, copy of the registration, certified copy of dyno tests, and certified copy stating the builder and seller will not duplicate the car. The deposit will take the vehicle off the market for the time period specified which enables the buyer (and agents acting on his behalf) to inspect the aforementioned vehicle. The inspection will require a private viewing which must be coordinated and occur during normal business hours at the seller’s specified location. All agent inspection fees, transportation, food, lodging, etc. are the responsibility of the buyer.

Should the buyer wish to proceed with the purchase, the deposit will be applied to the purchase price of the vehicle (which is at least $1.3 million U.S.). The buyer will need to arrange for payment to seller via wire transfer (from bank to bank) in U.S. funds. In connection with the described vehicle (seller, builder and broker) expressly disclaims all warranties, either express or implied, including, but not limited to, any implied warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose. Vehicle is sold as is with no warranty. All costs including purchase price, delivery to buyer’s door, inspection, tags, insurance, taxes, towing, and parts/installation/maintenance, etc. are the responsibility of the buyer.

Should the buyer decide to not purchase said vehicle (for any reason), the buyer will forfeit deposit and be deemed earned by the seller for consideration of the seller taking the vehicle off the market for the specified time.

Seller neither assumes nor authorizes any other person to assume for seller any liability in connection with the sale of the described vehicle.

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[claytonisbob]

Awesome car.
What kind of seats are those?

"Recaro custom ultra heated leather seats w/full lumbar support"

[oestek]

So it will only cost me $25 grand to get a date with the car for a few hours, non-refundable? I'm going to sign up now!

[wicked68]

I have not read it yet, but I would rather NOT have a feature if it reads like that.Frank - you saw my car at PRI - I would spank that car on the track any day.

I am throwing down the gauntlet.

lets do a combo run - 20 miles around town drive - come back - sit and idle for 20 minutes - then 3 hots laps in the quarter. then we can go over and do 3 laps on a road course.

all back to back. only stops for refueling and idling and all on pump gas - 91 or 93 - whatever is available.

and mine can be had for 229K.

my car makes 700 rwhp on 93 currently which is great driveability. I have increased the timing and ran race gas and it goes up to 815. I am only running 53K on my F1R at this level - a pulley change an hour of WOT tuning will bump it to 1050 - 1100 rwhp. The engine will handle about 1700 bhp on the internals.

[WS6]

who built the car? Their website doesn't even tell you who "they" are. Sorry, the hood is horrific and the company is full of themselves at this point. The car has potential to be great but it misses in too many areas

[compos mentis]

www.autoworksracing.com

[WS6]

thanks

[454bug]

I much rather have 13 - $100,000 cars!!!

or maybe, 6/7 - $200,000 cars... a different car, you could drive and enjoy, for every day of the week... :smoke:

[trapin]

So it will only cost me $25 grand to get a date with the car for a few hours, non-refundable? I'm going to sign up now!

Terms: $25,000 non-refundable deposit for arranging private viewing of vehicle within a two week period from receipt of deposit.

LOL!!!! Who in the hell do these people think they are??!!! :lmao:

For $25K that private viewing better include a weekend get-away with Denise Milani (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3129/2882310828_9883153a23.jpg?v=0) as my escort in the Cayman Islands.

[bobbaganoosh]

I'm a Ford guy & as much as it pains me to say it due to the lack of Fords on here.....


That car is butt assed ugly. If it were given to me I'd part it out.

[compos mentis]

thanks

You are welcome.

From the Hot Rod article...

"We're still skeptical about those air-to-air intercoolers mounted on top of a hot engine.During our day at Willow, the discharge sides were too hot to touch-not a good sign."

The look of the fab work by the top of the radiator area is very unimpressive IMO.

[wicked68]

its because there is nothing to draw air to them - they would have to put a 2000 cfm fan on top of each one and that would look dumb.

the car also does not have a rollbar - so what does he need the HP for - he cant use it any where that counts and we all being law abiding citizens means you dont drive that fast on the regular roads.

he also has the rear so slammed he wont be able to fit any kind of decent sized drag tire in there which means sucky quarter mile times.

basically it looks cool ( to most peopl) costs a fortune and makes a great conversational piece in some rich dudes garage.

[BaddestBuick]

That car is not ugly at all, its beautiful but the hood scoop needs to be a few inches shorter.. but that wouldent work cuz of the turbos, and its really overweight! ask em how much for the car without engine or hood :)

[TwinSting]

This car is only about 20 minutes from my home. Maybe I should go check it out.

[Bishop73]

I'm no Ford guy but that is one bad car!!!

[Boosted67]

.

I am throwing down the gauntlet.

lets do a combo run - 20 miles around town drive - come back - sit and idle for 20 minutes - then 3 hots laps in the quarter. then we can go over and do 3 laps on a road course.

all back to back. only stops for refueling and idling and all on pump gas - 91 or 93 - whatever is available.

and mine can be had for 229K.

I'll talk to the owner and see if I can keep it in country long enough after the build for a shootout. I'd like to politely challenge your sig. :enguard:Would be a good write up, and tons of fun. Those are the terms above...maybe an over all drivability test, ride and idle quality, road noise....you up for it ? pretty sure I can get something set up for it.

[Memphis]

Looks something you would see in Fast and the Furious.

[wicked68]

I'll talk to the owner and see if I can keep it in country long enough after the build for a shootout. I'd like to politely challenge your sig. :enguard:Would be a good write up, and tons of fun. Those are the terms above...maybe an over all drivability test, ride and idle quality, road noise....you up for it ? pretty sure I can get something set up for it.
that would be cool and would be graet press for both cars.

[Boosted67]

that would be cool and would be graet press for both cars.
Cool. Will call/email as we close in on the final touches, or I get a timre frame for a shoot.

[wicked68]

Cool. Will call/email as we close in on the final touches, or I get a timre frame for a shoot.

invite jim ring to bring one ( he is very nice as well) and the guy from oklahoma that is building the licensed movie cars for a 4 way. you know with 4 primo cars there you will get some real attention. The World Mustang Super Car Shootout.

[CptKlutz]

B67, with the right timing I'm up for it!
:enguard:
Always fun to meet likeminded Stangers. As we planned, I'd like to take the car to the track for a shakedown before shipping it to Europe anyway. Find the worst gremlins, do a rough dial in etc. I was really hoping Laguna, but something closer if not possible. I can always take it on the Nordschleife at the Nuremberg Ring :smoke: but Laguna Seca is what some of us euros dream about!
When we can see when we're through paint, I'll find some dates when I can be in the US and we can do the planning.

[oestek]

This car is only about 20 minutes from my home. Maybe I should go check it out.

That will be $25,000.00 please. *ching*

[Boosted67]

invite jim ring to bring one ( he is very nice as well) and the guy from oklahoma that is building the licensed movie cars for a 4 way. you know with 4 primo cars there you will get some real attention. The World Mustang Super Car Shootout. See how many thousands of HP we can get to show up at once. lol
Jim can come, too. :) I'd like to see some of his work in person also.

[67chargedstang]

:machine:
55forward, if you only knew. That car is NOTHING of what is says. It makes nothing close to that. The intercoolers were taken off during the dynos runs because they were heat soaking, and they didn't use 91. They used race gas. It made 654 to the ground, which ain't all that bad. But an injustice to the engine built for that car. And it doesn't do the "1000hp, and 1200 hp with mre tuning." He asked that the numbers be fudged even higher than that, but they wouldn't becasue they new better. Car has horrible belt slip I don't know if they ever fixed.

Hello guys, I love posts like this one from Boosted67, this guy has never seen the car. Let me give you the correct info.
The intercoolers can not be removed with this design as the intake and super charges are routed through as one unit, remove the intercoolers and there is no boost at all. Obsidian has had around 12 hours of Dyno time and 3-4 different days of tuning. Running only 7 lbs of boost from each supercharger (can make over 30 lbs each) the manufactures of the supercharges said it cant be done to run 2 of their units on the same engine, the Rotrex superchargers have no lag and make power instantly, no belt slip. The intercoolers do not get heat soaked due to the design of the tunnel air flow and belly pan that is on the car.
However in the Hot rod article they did, this was due to Roberto Guerrero driving the entire lap of Willow Springs big track in first gear at no less than 6300 RPM and around 40 MPH (info from on board computer) Yea that’s over 2.5 miles in first gear at over 6300 RPM, try that in your car see how hot every thing gets with no air flow on a super hot day over 100 degrees. (I drove Obsidian hard at Willow with no issues same day)
I can not comment on what happened with the shifter but lets say driver error. This is what happened that day a bummer but what can you do. So if you have any questions about the car just ask. I build fun cars and love what I do. Hot Rod only scratched the surface and did not mention the 50/50 weight distribution, full belly pan, tube frame, hidden roll cage, etc. We will be making a new video in the beginning of the new year if you guys are interested in seeing it.
Oh, I am not in charge of the 1.3 million dollar thing so don’t ask.

[go-fish]

Excuse me for my ignorance but what supercharger has lag?

I don't think anyone, or most anyway, are saying that it is bad quality of workmanship, it's really great. However, the hideous hood and impracticality of parts. I don't care what you say about the hood, it can't be more efficient for the intercooler up there than in the nose.

There are many things on the car that are top notch and very nice, workmanship and fabrications is great. But, you put a wierd hood, those wheels, and a paddle on a manual and ,sorry to say, they turn a great car into a forgetable car. The HRM press didn't help.

[wicked68]

:machine:

Hello guys, I love posts like this one from Boosted67, this guy has never seen the car. Let me give you the correct info.
The intercoolers can not be removed with this design as the intake and super charges are routed through as one unit, remove the intercoolers and there is no boost at all. Obsidian has had around 12 hours of Dyno time and 3-4 different days of tuning. Running only 7 lbs of boost from each supercharger (can make over 30 lbs each) the manufactures of the supercharges said it cant be done to run 2 of their units on the same engine, the Rotrex superchargers have no lag and make power instantly, no belt slip. The intercoolers do not get heat soaked due to the design of the tunnel air flow and belly pan that is on the car.
However in the Hot rod article they did, this was due to Roberto Guerrero driving the entire lap of Willow Springs big track in first gear at no less than 6300 RPM and around 40 MPH (info from on board computer) Yea that’s over 2.5 miles in first gear at over 6300 RPM, try that in your car see how hot every thing gets with no air flow on a super hot day over 100 degrees. (I drove Obsidian hard at Willow with no issues same day)
I can not comment on what happened with the shifter but lets say driver error. This is what happened that day a bummer but what can you do. So if you have any questions about the car just ask. I build fun cars and love what I do. Hot Rod only scratched the surface and did not mention the 50/50 weight distribution, full belly pan, tube frame, hidden roll cage, etc. We will be making a new video in the beginning of the new year if you guys are interested in seeing it.
Oh, I am not in charge of the 1.3 million dollar thing so don’t ask.


your intercoolers should not get heat soaked no matter where or how its being driven. I see 2 problems with them- they are placed so the air flow is from the top of the manifold - which is going to give you hot air through them and not much air in the first place or if its from the opposite direction - which I am not sure how it would flow that way - it would be restricted trying to flow it down throgh the manifold area - even with fans on it.

What does the dual superchargers get you other than complication and expense - I can see twim turbos so you grab both sides of the exhaust driving them but a blower you can just go bigger on the single unit. I would like to know though if there is something I am missing on the dual blower setup for future projects.

where is the rollbar? I did not see it - what sanctioning spec is it to and what speed are you legal down to?

The more complex things are overall introduces more chance for error and breakage imho.

How did you guys build out the internals on the engine?

what driveline are you guys using?

Are you guys up to a supercar shootout????

I think we can have 4 cars in it and if nothing else it would be a lot of fun and a lot of good press.

Your workmanship on the car and the interior is excellent btw and I love it whenever anyone is putting musclecars back on the road for another 50 years :D

[67chargedstang]

The idea was to build a Mustang with street in mind, not track, the ultimate street car. Big engine, show stopping under the hood, a look no one else had ever done before. Super nice interior. Power windows, power door locks, electronic AC, big wheels. The roll cage is to make the car safer on the street incase of a roll over. Heavy enough for the ride to feel like a Cadillac but at the same time handle the corners, an all round fun car for the customer. You can cruise at 140 and talk on the blue tooth, its got a back up camera, huge brakes, all that in a package that works and using all new design not copied any else’s design any where on the car, that is super hard to do seems there has been people building these cars for over 40 years now. The hood scoop as big as it is has a purpose, some people like it some don’t that’s cool with me the customer loves it and the best part is that it is not in the way when you are driving. Because of the interior design and the different seating location it is not noticeable.
Looks are always up to the person looking, some like blonds and some like brunette, but bottom line is we all like them. We went out on a limb with this car been so radical and so far its been is 6 different countries magazines including , New Zealand, Australia, Europe, Mexico, France, USA 3, and on Speed TV, internet more than 5 different languages. It has been a lot of work but a fun build. My only person to please is my customer. He came to me and said he doesn’t want an Eleanor we wants something that is an original, that is what he got.

[John McIntire]

maybe the guys daily driver is a WRX and he got the intercooler idea from Subaru?

Also, what issue in HR did they cover the Optima Shootout? Is it the same issue as the Obsidian?

[67chargedstang]

I dont think so, it would have been cool to go in that though.

[Boosted67]

Nevermind

[67chargedstang]

ok then

[Boosted67]

Nevermind

[Steve1968LS2]

This car is only about 20 minutes from my home. Maybe I should go check it out.

Do you have $25k to spend for the privilage? lol


Seriously... it's a beautiful car, but there is zero chance anyone will spend $1.3 million to buy it. You have to laugh when someone thinks they can recoup thier money like that.

The Hot Rod story didn't help the value at all...

And $25k just to view the car.. non refundable.. :lmao:

[67chargedstang]

I said my piece and I am not going to go back and forth with you, a lot to learn. All of our products are used on our cars, I Fabricate almost all of the parts my self just like my Chop Cut rebuild show that shows me build a complete car. Or are you talking about the Orange County Auto show 2007 when KTLA TV did a whole segment on the cars I build. I drive and test not talk about it, I even drove 7000 miles non stop in my 67 Mustang to Carlisle, PA. from San Diego and then on to the Hot Rod power tour, and back to San Diego. I was in hot rod magazine for that as well. Have you driven any of YOUR cars that far non stop? We are getting a bit carried away here, lets chill and hang like the old days. We both have the same goal to have fun with these cars. Right?

[Steve1968LS2]

Are you guys up to a supercar shootout????

I think we can have 4 cars in it and if nothing else it would be a lot of fun and a lot of good press.



Ohhh Ohhh.. can I come and play!??!?!! :yum:

Not really a "supercar".. but she did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last week.



Also, what issue in HR did they cover the Optima Shootout? Is it the same issue as the Obsidian?

The Optima coverage will be in the March issue of HR.. out in around a month

[67chargedstang]

Do you have $25k to spend for the privilage? lol


Seriously... it's a beautiful car, but there is zero chance anyone will spend $1.3 million to buy it. You have to laugh when someone thinks they can recoup thier money like that.

The Hot Rod story didn't help the value at all...

And $25k just to view the car.. non refundable.. :lmao:

Thank you, the company that is handling that I have nothing to do with. I am just the builder my job is to get the rubber on the road. I can take any one for a ride if I want, you can even come to the shop and look if you are in San Diego and the car is at the shop at the same time.

[vanzuuk1]

They should have had the car at the track long before its official unveiling,thats why professional race teams usually plan on a few days of sorting with a new car.

I think the mesh in the tail area looks great.

[67chargedstang]

The problem is it costs about 20K to go there for a couple of days and we had any problems sorted before that. When some one else is pulling the strings you just do. Better luck next time, I drove Obsidian around the mountains yesterday, that was alot of fun.

[TwinSting]

Steve
I would not spend anything more then my gas to get there but I would love to see in person what they think makes it worth a million plus!

[CptKlutz]

67charged, do you have a pic showing the belly pan plz? Interested to see how it can contribute to the airflow. My guess is that you're getting most of your airflow around the engine from the front grille like the rest of us. At speed that accounts for a LOT of positive pressure to overcome for a belly pan sitting in 0 or probably even negative pressure. Hence you're loosing at least 30-40° by flowing thru the radiator etc. compared to having the I/C out front where its nice and cool. Air from a belly pan would be even worse as it's passing the headers. Was the reasoning to have shorter tubes to pressurise or...?
Love the Rotrex C38, they are made 10mi from where I live. Can't quite figure out why you put 2 Rotrex - that are made for smaller euro engines - on there instead of one big Vortex or Paxton? Seems like a lot of added complexity & cost... But yes, it's bling for sure!

[John McIntire]

The problem is it costs about 20K to go there for a couple of days and we had any problems sorted before that. When some one else is pulling the strings you just do. Better luck next time, I drove Obsidian around the mountains yesterday, that was alot of fun.

Whats 20K an a 1.3 million dollar build?

[wicked68]

The problem is it costs about 20K to go there for a couple of days and we had any problems sorted before that. When some one else is pulling the strings you just do. Better luck next time, I drove Obsidian around the mountains yesterday, that was alot of fun.

I think your car looks cool and I am sure is fun to drive. I take it because you have not replied to any of my posts that you are not interested in participating in a shootout? I will even buy the beer afterwards!

I think it would be a lot of fun and certainly some new friendships / and exchange of ideas would come out of it.

Mine was built for many of the same reasons as yours - its completely street legal as well and you can cruise around whenever you like in it. - I do. In fact I am taking it on the power tour this year.

[icebird84]

sorry wrong thread to many open At same time

[67chargedstang]

I think your car looks cool and I am sure is fun to drive. I take it because you have not replied to any of my posts that you are not interested in participating in a shootout? I will even buy the beer afterwards!

I think it would be a lot of fun and certainly some new friendships / and exchange of ideas would come out of it.

Mine was built for many of the same reasons as yours - its completely street legal as well and you can cruise around whenever you like in it. - I do. In fact I am taking it on the power tour this year.

My thing is to have fun, driving is the best the power tour might be on the cards for this year. When I did it in 2007 we got to see the country like never before, drove my own 67. Where is every one starting from this year? I would love to if work allows. We have another Mustang we hope to have ready for the 45 maybe, still lots to do but we might make it. Whats this shoot out?

[bigvegan]

The Hot Rod story didn't help the value at all...

Steve, your gift for understatement is impressive.

I'll be surprised if this car sells within a million bucks of $1.3 mil.

I can't wait to see the video if this car goes up against wicked68's (or, pretty much ANY other PT car for that matter), but I get the feeling that having spent 7 figures on the car, the owner won't have much interest in spending many weekends getting spanked and spending even more money in working the remaining bugs out.

It would be sweet to be proved wrong though.

[Boosted67]

nevermind

[Boosted67]

nevermind

[67chargedstang]

thats cool

[Gordz32]

A little off topic for everyone you 2. Take it out back would ya!

[Charley Lillard]

Joe Nova had two Rotrex units and a space for a third if needed.

[mach1stang]

Ok, here is my take on this whole thing. 1.3 million Is a massive amount of money – period, But for mustang? Yeah there’s a lot of work in it but if you compare it with a car that is equal in price how nice would it look? Rad rides “Chicayne” has been said to have $450,000 and even to today’s standard there are very few that come close. I have seen some of your videos, and you have stated that this is one of the baddest mustang on the planet, and then in an earlier post you say it is more for the street. Then Hot Rod does the article and from what I read the car was very problematic, sure car’s have there days, but a car that has been together for 2 or so years, should have that problem. If this is no “trailer queen” and has been driven so much how is it that when judgment day comes around it falls on its face? You know to say you have the baddest mustang on the planet you need to be able step up and prove it, I don’t how many TV shows you been, how many countries the car has been to, or how many magazine articles it has, if it’s the baddest on the planet and will run 200+….. Prove it.

That’s my 2 cents sorry for a long post but this topic has been on my mind since I saw it.

[wicked68]

My thing is to have fun, driving is the best the power tour might be on the cards for this year. When I did it in 2007 we got to see the country like never before, drove my own 67. Where is every one starting from this year? I would love to if work allows. We have another Mustang we hope to have ready for the 45 maybe, still lots to do but we might make it. Whats this shoot out?

typical shootout style - get 4 of the best in the country - of course the big media will show up for it

then run a few tests - driveability / idling / drag / road race / and we can throw in looks and finish as well.

I am sure Ring bros will come and finding one other top car wont be hard.

It would be fun and if nothing else everyone would get to share a lot of insight with each other. You guys all kill me on interior - and some other things - I smoke you guys on some other things.

If nothing else its good media exposure - great chance to make industry friends and a good getaway.

There really wont be any losers per se in it since all the media will different opinions on each one.

all in good fun. maybe we can have it in vegas and have a nice cruise in with some stars as well if we can get maloof or drai and cy and jesse waits ( who love muscle cars) to arrange some big names at the same time.......

[wicked68]

I have seen some of your videos, and you have stated that this is one of the baddest mustang on the planet, and then in an earlier post you say it is more for the street.

You know to say you have the baddest mustang on the planet you need to be able step up and prove it, I don’t how many TV shows you been, how many countries the car has been to, or how many magazine articles it has, if it’s the baddest on the planet and will run 200+….. Prove it.



wait a minute - cant be the baddest on the planet. mine is - see my signature :D

Im willing to prove it......

[mach1stang]

wait a minute - cant be the baddest on the planet. mine is - see my signature :D

Im willing to prove it......


Yours may be the baddest pro touring stang but I think mine will be the baddest as far as street strip. Steve morris has been helping us with a motor combo, and so far it will be a 530+ cubic inch big lbock with twin 76's and he says with 62's we would make 750-800 at 6 pounds of boost and we should breal 1000 horse power before double digit boost numbers.

[ssx]

Opinions are like *******s......
I love the car. To me and my co-workers who saw it, we all think it is one of the nicest rods ever built. I do think the 1.3mil figure is ridiculous and so is the $25K viewing fee, but still the car is awesome. I may also be one of the only people who like that hood.

[shmoov69]

C'mon guys! "The baddest"?!!? What next? Gonna whip your wankers out and see who's got the biggest one there too?!? LOL!

They are ALL awesome cars, but someone else has always got one bigger and better....Because it is not completely "measureable". I think brussel sprouts taste horrible, but you may like them! LOL!
The "challenge" sounds like a good idea though!

[CptKlutz]

I totally agree, call it design, or art or whatever. It's down to personal taste. I'm a function over form kinda guy, so that's where I dislike the Obsidian. And would I ever spend 1.3m on one Mustang? LOL
But to each his own.

Lets get in planning mode on that shootout! And plz lets do Laguna Seca! I'll drive the Mustang up there from San Diego to prove the roadworthiness part. Maybe do like on the German autobahn: if you're doing over 165 the speed cams have too slow shutter speed to get a proper image. :bsjerk:
Anyway, I'd prefer something in mid/late february. Lagunas calender for 2009 is not up yet so I cant see if there will be a suitable track day? Anyone?

[Young Gun]

To each his own is how I see it. Each of the mentioned cars have bits and pieces that I love and some pieces that do not stir a twinkle in my eye. Are they all great cars? Of course. Are they the best of the best? I sure don't know, but I sure as hell would love to read an article about a shootout between them all! I think SG1 has a nice fit and finish and enjoyed the article. Good luck with the sale, I am sure the next owner will appreciate it for what it is.

[wicked68]

Yours may be the baddest pro touring stang but I think mine will be the baddest as far as street strip. Steve morris has been helping us with a motor combo, and so far it will be a 530+ cubic inch big lbock with twin 76's and he says with 62's we would make 750-800 at 6 pounds of boost and we should breal 1000 horse power before double digit boost numbers.

nice!

Are you going to race it? Are oyu going to set it up to be legal below 10.0? will it still be street legal and driveable?

Would love to hear more details on it!!!!

What kind of internals are you putting in the engine - whos block are you using?

[mach1stang]

nice!

Are you going to race it? Are oyu going to set it up to be legal below 10.0? will it still be street legal and driveable?

Would love to hear more details on it!!!!

What kind of internals are you putting in the engine - whos block are you using?


You have a PM.

[wicked68]

shootout

I would suggest Miami / Los Angeles or Las Vegas for the shootout since this is where the largest concentration of high end vehicle consumers in the US is.

67chargedstang - you guys in or not?

Maybe March or April?

[Bowtie racing]

The idea was to build a Mustang with street in mind, not track, the ultimate street car. Big engine, show stopping under the hood, a look no one else had ever done before. Super nice interior. Power windows, power door locks, electronic AC, big wheels. The roll cage is to make the car safer on the street incase of a roll over. Heavy enough for the ride to feel like a Cadillac but at the same time handle the corners, an all round fun car for the customer. You can cruise at 140 and talk on the blue tooth, its got a back up camera, huge brakes, all that in a package that works and using all new design not copied any else’s design any where on the car, that is super hard to do seems there has been people building these cars for over 40 years now. The hood scoop as big as it is has a purpose, some people like it some don’t that’s cool with me the customer loves it and the best part is that it is not in the way when you are driving. Because of the interior design and the different seating location it is not noticeable...
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Obsidian is a truly beautifull hitech car with lots of unseen details. Dont bother to explain the purpose of it to some internet wankers who cant ever reach the same level in anything.
Just enjoy the end results and have a nice christmas !! I certainly will do with the feb HRM :worship:

[oestek]

I'd love to go shoot video of the shootout...

[Josh69]

I'm curious why the potential buyer is expected to pay for the do-overs?

I can see costs spiraling, but to say it cost $1.3MM to build, so that is what it will sell for is pretty out there.

Other than that, the car is pretty sweet!

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

can someone post up some PICS?!.. it might help help the THREAD without breaking out the darn magazine article..

[Flash68]

I'm curious why the potential buyer is expected to pay for the do-overs?

I can see costs spiraling, but to say it cost $1.3MM to build, so that is what it will sell for is pretty out there.

Other than that, the car is pretty sweet!

Well said. Could not agree more.

[Young Gun]

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[Josh69]

It's unrealistic to claim that it can't be duplicated for less than that, when a significant portion of the cost was re-doing things and changing directions. That's like saying the house burnt down, so the rebuilt one is double the price.

Regardless, I don't have the kind of money to build this kind of car anyway, but there is an old saying about a fool and his money. I do like the car, immensely, and my hat is tipped to the builder...but the owner should have never discussed the cost...it's only going to undermine the awesomeness of this car.

[Vegas69]

It's a killer car and clearly massive amounts of time and money went into this project. I'm not going to jump on the bash it band wagon. I do agree that backing up the claims in the performance aspect are needed to cement anything. At the end of the day if people believe he has 1.3 in the car....and they get it for less.......

[67chargedstang]

shootout

I would suggest Miami / Los Angeles or Las Vegas for the shootout since this is where the largest concentration of high end vehicle consumers in the US is.

67chargedstang - you guys in or not?

Maybe March or April?

Wicked,
yea we might be in, the fact that there will be a bunch of gear heads togeather would be cool. let me know! I think Las Vegas, but half the year its 110 + out there i think.

[Lenie]

Art has always been in the eye of the beholder. Regardless of worth/spent, it is a very nice ride. Good luck.
Lenie

[CptKlutz]

I'll go to Vegas if that's the consensus. :cheers: This meet should be interesting no matter where!
My pleading for Laguna is because I've always wanted to have a go at it & nothern CA because it's so nice and green. I really dislike Vegas being 100% fake and not a green tree in sight. Partying is great of course! :headbang:
For me to participate it has to be as early as possible in march, was actually hoping to ship the car out in late feb...

[wicked68]

I'll go to Vegas if that's the consensus. :cheers: This meet should be interesting no matter where!
My pleading for Laguna is because I've always wanted to have a go at it & nothern CA because it's so nice and green. I really dislike Vegas being 100% fake and not a green tree in sight. Partying is great of course! :headbang:
For me to participate it has to be as early as possible in march, was actually hoping to ship the car out in late feb...

I used to live in norcal - walnut creek - for 12 years - its like atlanta - not much of a market for buyers or media exposure. My sister still lives there so it would be convenient for me as well but I am thinking more of the need for a place that has the draw of the crowd we all want. That would be vegas or miami or LA. vegas is of interest because it is close enough that the la crowd can come over and you still get a lot of high end people there as well ( plus as 67cs said - its fun!)

Let me reach out to Jim Ring and a few media guys to see what we can put together. Pm your guys contact info so we can do a con call on it after the holiidays.

We will also need to arrange a local shop that will host all of us in case we need to fix things.

We will need a road course and a drag strip.

thanks! - this is pretty exciting.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

The builders..
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[wicked68]

The builders..
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huh? I dont get it.......I am a bit slow though.

[go-fish]

Dude, Stargate SG1, the TV show!
I never watched more than 30 seconds of it but it is world renown for being one of the dumbest shows EVAR.

Naming the Mustang "SG1" was a huge blunder due to how crappy the show is.

[go-fish]

Also, congratulations on NOT knowing what the show was. It does reflect positively on you. If you got the joke I feel sorry for you because you would have had to see a small portion of the show.

[CHILI442]

I don't post much here and I've got a question. When is it cool or not cool to bash on another persons car? The reason I ask is because a couple years ago I made a post refering to the goon that built the 8 turbo equipped '57 Chevy as having more money than brains. I took a beating for that one.

So, now this Mustang and it's owner are getting criticized to no end, and everyone thinks it's cool. Just wondering how this works.

Thanks,

[preston]

I fell in love with this car when I first saw it last year. The only thing that bothered me was the rear 1/4 window should have followed the 1/4 panel character line rather than being straight. I loved the new headlights incorporated into the front - at first I thought that was just some cool reworking of the bucket but it was way more involved than that. I looked at fabbing up my own version but from what I can see it would require a reshaping of both the fender and bucket as the late model headlight has no angles that match. I had to punt as I didn't have the time to invest in it, and actually as time has gone on I'd rather keep the round headlights as the vintage car and new car look so much alike in many ways already.

I was never hot on the 4100 lbs or the IC's or all the electronics, but that's all typical for over the top show cars.

As far as the cost I have an easy time believing it, anybody who has ever built cars knows the time it takes and at $80 hour it would add up fabulously fast. Look at the deep black paint on that thing and custom mesh.

Anyway, car is gorgeous. The only time I've regretted not building a fastback was when I saw this thing.

And for those of you claiming baddest Mustang in the land, let's just say as long as your saying '68 or '69 you're fine. You claim '67, and we can have an internet argument lol.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

it is world renown for being one of the dumbest shows EVAR.



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I can make a missle launcher out of these 4 fingers to destroy your EVAR!

[preston]

Oh and btw I don't understand busting on the windsor motor - its gonna make more power more reliably all day long than any other Ford option.

With an alum block its also gonna be the lightest, and the smallest package.

[67chargedstang]

Try this link this is an older video of Obsidian running. Alot has changed on the car since then, and the pics you guys are looking at are old. I will see if I have new ones of the engine and interior.
http://video.autoworksparts.com/video/6537

[icebird84]

Dude, Stargate SG1, the TV show!
I never watched more than 30 seconds of it but it is world renown for being one of the dumbest shows EVAR.

Naming the Mustang "SG1" was a huge blunder due to how crappy the show is.

No Go fish you are totally wrong the dumbest shows EVAR is and will always be Friends

sg1 10 season and sga 4 season
the huge blunder was designer work

[Flash68]

I actually really like the look of the hood and ducts.

Nice video.

[wicked68]

Oh and btw I don't understand busting on the windsor motor - its gonna make more power more reliably all day long than any other Ford option.

With an alum block its also gonna be the lightest, and the smallest package.


why do you say that?
The windsors I know of are iron blocks and I didnt see anything saying this one was aluminum - but point me to a link if it is aluminum - that would be a good thing for them.

an aluminum block will disipate heat better and is about 100 pounds lighter. I went with a shelby aluminum FE block over the other options for that reason as well it will handle more horsepower and you can stroke it bigger - 482 vs 392

[barraza]

And for those of you claiming baddest Mustang in the land, let's just say as long as your saying '68 or '69 you're fine. You claim '67, and we can have an internet argument lol.

Before anyone argues with the above, you better go look up Preston's name on corner-carvers.com, his buildup is well documented. It's way, way, way over the top.

[wicked68]

And for those of you claiming baddest Mustang in the land, let's just say as long as your saying '68 or '69 you're fine. You claim '67, and we can have an internet argument lol.

I took a look at your build - that is quite a road race car you are putting together and it will be nice to see it race!

Will it be street legal and do you have a real vin for it as well?

your car is not really a pro-touring build though - its a straight up tube chasis race car with some body panels on it so I am going to stick with my claim :D

I will follow your build though as I think its a cool car for sure.

[mazspeed]

I'll go to Vegas if that's the consensus. :cheers: This meet should be interesting no matter where!
My pleading for Laguna is because I've always wanted to have a go at it & nothern CA because it's so nice and green. I really dislike Vegas being 100% fake and not a green tree in sight. Partying is great of course! :headbang:
For me to participate it has to be as early as possible in march, was actually hoping to ship the car out in late feb...

I don't think they would want to take a 1.3 mil trailer queen to Laguna. Thunderhill is a better bet because of the run off room in case something happens. Unless they run it in 1st around the track again.

[jeff s]

Obsidian is a truly beautifull hitech car with lots of unseen details. Dont bother to explain the purpose of it to some internet wankers who cant ever reach the same level in anything.
Just enjoy the end results and have a nice christmas !! I certainly will do with the feb HRM :worship:
I agree!!

[barraza]

I took a look at your build - that is quite a road race car you are putting together and it will be nice to see it race!

Will it be street legal and do you have a real vin for it as well?

your car is not really a pro-touring build though - its a straight up tube chasis race car with some body panels on it so I am going to stick with my claim :D



Preston's mustang is obviously a street car. Bob Johnson's cuda and John Parson's II Much both have tube chassis underneath, and no one has ever complained that they were not street cars. Track day capable - yes, straight up race car - no way. Unless you know of a class for old mustangs that requires sound deadening and mufflers:)

[wicked68]

Preston's mustang is obviously a street car. Bob Johnson's cuda and John Parson's II Much both have tube chassis underneath, and no one has ever complained that they were not street cars. Track day capable - yes, straight up race car - no way. Unless you know of a class for old mustangs that requires sound deadening and mufflers:)


yeah - both good points and both awesome cars.. Like I said - will it have a vin and be street legal?

I will be interested in seeing the car complete and tested - I love quality builds and it looks very interesting as I said in my post. cant wait to see it!

do you know when it will be completed / tested and ready to roll out?

[80proZ]

a 1.3 millon dolllar car with only 850 hp and an electroniclly shifted manual is a waste of money,no matter how its packaged.
just my .02

[go-fish]

Barry Bonds record ball fetched something like that and it's a waste of money too since he's a scumbag cheater.
BUT, people will pay.
It is only a waste of money if the guy forking over the greenbacks thinks so after the transaction.






Hank Aaron is still the King!

[John McIntire]

a 1.3 millon dolllar car with only 850 hp and an electroniclly shifted manual is a waste of money,no matter how its packaged.
just my .02

Yeah, wouldn't it have been cheaper to buy an F1 car and drop a mustang body on it? I know that they fly and have fancy electronic shifters.

[Project69]

They made the ugly even uglier...

[CptKlutz]

And for those of you claiming baddest Mustang in the land, let's just say as long as your saying '68 or '69 you're fine. You claim '67, and we can have an internet argument lol.

Hah Preston, been following your car from the beginning so DEFINITELY not taking that particular bait! :worship:

[Steve1968LS2]

Dude, Stargate SG1, the TV show!
I never watched more than 30 seconds of it but it is world renown for being one of the dumbest shows EVAR.

Naming the Mustang "SG1" was a huge blunder due to how crappy the show is.

lol.. I love when somebody who admits to seeing less than 30-seconds of a show can profess to have an educated opinion on something. SG1 lasted 10-years due to great ratings and bringing in loads of cash.



In 1998, the second season of Stargate SG-1 was the most widely watched program on the Showtime network, outperforming all of their theatrical movies, although it received almost no media mention outside hard-core science fiction circles.[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_SG-1#cite_note-26) It ranked second behind the Pamela Anderson vehicle V.I.P. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V.I.P._(TV_series)) as new syndicated hour-long programs.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_SG-1#cite_note-dailybruin-2)

Although MGM had a net loss of US$40.2 million in the third-quarter of 1999, cash flow from television rose 58% to $9.8 million, largely as a result of increased product in worldwide syndication, principally Stargate SG-1 and the other MGM production The Outer Limits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Outer_Limits).[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_SG-1#cite_note-32)
In 2004, TV Guide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_Guide) suggested that the popularity of SG-1 may be exceeding that of the Star Trek franchise. Testifying to its vigor, Stargate SG-1 broke Nielsen Ratings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_Ratings) records for the U.S. Sci-Fi Channel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci_Fi_Channel_(United_States)) throughout its eighth season. Although Richard Dean Anderson departed as a regular after season eight, he made guest appearances in several episodes of seasons nine and ten of SG-1 and season three of Stargate Atlantis.

Legacy

With its 202nd episode, "Company of Thieves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_of_Thieves)", Stargate SG-1 surpassed The X-Files (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X-Files) as the longest-running North American science fiction series on television. Doctor Who (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who) fans dispute its listing in the 2007 Guinness World Records (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinness_World_Records) as the "longest-running science fiction show (consecutive)", as 694 episodes of the British show were produced and shown consecutively between 1963 and 1989.[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_SG-1#cite_note-record-33)[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_SG-1#cite_note-34)
Due to its success, Stargate SG-1 spawned the live-action spinoff TV series Stargate Atlantis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Atlantis) and the animated Stargate Infinity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Infinity). A new live-action TV series named Stargate Universe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Universe) is in preproduction.[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_SG-1#cite_note-35)

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

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lol.. I love when somebody who admits to seeing less than 30-seconds of a show can profess to have an educated opinion on something. SG1 lasted 10-years due to great ratings and bringing in loads of cash.

[Memphis]

lol.. I love when somebody who admits to seeing less than 30-seconds of a show can profess to have an educated opinion on something. SG1 lasted 10-years due to great ratings and bringing in loads of cash.
And that makes it a good show because...?

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

of this guys fackin FACE!
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"Things will not calm down, Daniel Jackson. They will in fact calm up."

"What is an Oprah?"

Jack O'Neill: "So what's your impression of Alar?
Teal'c: "That he is concealing something."
Jack O'Neill: "Like what?"
Teal'c: "I am unsure ... he is concealing it."

[shmoov69]

So, Steve that means that you are a....."gater" or something like that!??! There are "trekkies" and I guess there could be "gaters" or something? LOL
Never seen it or even heard of it for that matter! Must've been earth moving! LOL!

[terryr]

I looked at page 1 and 8. How did stargate get into the thread about this car? Because they're both sci-fi?
Mark Hamill should be driving that thing.

The guy spent 1.3 on that, and he's bragging about it? HA!

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

Mark Hamill should be driving that thing.



but whos driving Mark Hamill?

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[go-fish]

So, Steve that means that you are a....."gater" or something like that!??! There are "trekkies" and I guess there could be "gaters" or something? LOL
Never seen it or even heard of it for that matter! Must've been earth moving! LOL!


Now, come on. I've seen more than 30 seconds of it. Can't tell you a for real number of minutes but let's say it was just enough to know it wasn't worth it. I watched the 1st Star Trek when I was a little guy, Next Generation and Deep Space 9 in middle school. Those were alright.
You can definately tell the success of Star Gate is solely due to no current Star Trek program. All those Trekkies add up to be a large viewing audience.
For the record, I am definately not a Trekkie. Those people are creepy, but I did enjoy it for the time when I was a kid.
So, show me where there was a good story line besides them going to a new place, new bad guys, same old escape and victory scenarios.
Sure the 1st Star Trek was like that but you could laugh all the way through the show. SG is just sad in that they try to be "intense".
Hey, if you guys like it, good onya. I still hold it up there on the list as a poor program that is, sadly, succesful.

As for the Obsidian, ehh. It's neat, but not $1,300,000 neat. I would say it is definately better than the show. LOL.

[Steve1968LS2]

And that makes it a good show because...?

I doesn't... happy?

What does is that it was on the air for 10 years and did well in the ratings.. That would indicate that people watched it. :shrug:

You know.. I've never read more than a few words of a Dean Koontz book but it's universely known that they are the worst books ever... :idea:

Gotta love the interweb...

[Steve1968LS2]

So, Steve that means that you are a....."gater" or something like that!??! There are "trekkies" and I guess there could be "gaters" or something? LOL
Never seen it or even heard of it for that matter! Must've been earth moving! LOL!

lol.. no.. I do enjoy good sci-fi stuff.. and I enjoy correcting silly statements not supported by facts made by people that admit ignorance of the topic.

:lurk:

[Steve1968LS2]

Now, come on. I've seen more than 30 seconds of it. Can't tell you a for real number of minutes but let's say it was just enough to know it wasn't worth it. I watched the 1st Star Trek when I was a little guy, Next Generation and Deep Space 9 in middle school. Those were alright.
You can definately tell the success of Star Gate is solely due to no current Star Trek program. All those Trekkies add up to be a large viewing audience.
For the record, I am definately not a Trekkie. Those people are creepy, but I did enjoy it for the time when I was a kid.
So, show me where there was a good story line besides them going to a new place, new bad guys, same old escape and victory scenarios.
Sure the 1st Star Trek was like that but you could laugh all the way through the show. SG is just sad in that they try to be "intense".
Hey, if you guys like it, good onya. I still hold it up there on the list as a poor program that is, sadly, succesful.

As for the Obsidian, ehh. It's neat, but not $1,300,000 neat. I would say it is definately better than the show. LOL.

It's not my fault your post was innacurate in how much of the show you've watched.. :shrug:

All shows are "formulaic" to some extent. It's fine if you don't like the show, it's just that your broad-brush statement isn't supported by data. To some it was the best show ever.. to some the worst ever and to most it falls somewhere in the middle.

What was this thread about?

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

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[1970cuda]

So what I have learned from this thread is some people like SG1 the mustang, some like SG1 the show, some like both, some dislike SG1 the mustang, some dislike SG1 the show and some dislike both while others have no opinions either way. This is what makes this site fun. No one has said anyone is wrong in their opinions. We are a family here, a disfunctional family.






























I like both

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

now with that all this thread needs now is a...


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[go-fish]

I hope you Gaters, AND Steve, aren't too mad at me. Sorry. The 30 seconds thing? Maybe I was just exagerating a little too much to try and prove I'm not a watcher.
On the other hand, I am rolling at this thread.

I do have a sneaking suspicion this Mustang was named SG-1 by the owner because he knew, like the TV show, his car was going to be one of those "Love it or Hate it" things in a monumental way.

[go-fish]

I realized some here might really love the show so I did a little search on YT to see if this show was as bad as I say........... and I definately agree with myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB72HudHteY&feature=related

[icebird84]

now with that all this thread needs now is a...


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I second that

[Steve1968LS2]

I hope you Gaters, AND Steve, aren't too mad at me. Sorry. The 30 seconds thing? Maybe I was just exagerating a little too much to try and prove I'm not a watcher.
On the other hand, I am rolling at this thread.

I do have a sneaking suspicion this Mustang was named SG-1 by the owner because he knew, like the TV show, his car was going to be one of those "Love it or Hate it" things in a monumental way.

Heck no.. never mad :)

We can disagree on stuff and still buy each other beers.. lol

[Steve1968LS2]

And with that I will third the motion...

Oh Mr. Padlock.. where are you???

[TonyL]

awww. Im sad I missed out on this one.

/not in love with the car.
//jeff's is cooler at a fraction of the cost.
///It's the wheels. They're the tire rack ones.